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Injury Thread

welsh texan said:
So that's 4-8 weeks right? Hopefully back before the end of the season because that guy was stepping up big time.
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Texans rookie inside linebacker Dylan Cole suffered a Grade hamstring strain against the Cleveland Browns while returning an interception, according to league sources not authorized to speak publicly.

Cole underwent a magnetic resonance imaging exam Monday, revealing the extent of the damage. The typical recovery time for that severity of hamstring injury is at least four weeks and can take longer. Cole is expected to play again this season.


Cole made an acrobatic leaping interception of a Kevin Hogan pass and got injured during the return. He was on crutches after the game.
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Here's the report in the Chronicle and we can wait and look forward to C&Ds comments, evaluation on this situation.
 
IDEXAN said:
Texans rookie inside linebacker Dylan Cole suffered a Grade hamstring strain against the Cleveland Browns while returning an interception, according to league sources not authorized to speak publicly.

Cole underwent a magnetic resonance imaging exam Monday, revealing the extent of the damage. The typical recovery time for that severity of hamstring injury is at least four weeks and can take longer. Cole is expected to play again this season.


Cole made an acrobatic leaping interception of a Kevin Hogan pass and got injured during the return. He was on crutches after the game.
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Here's the report in the Chronicle and we can wait and look forward to C&Ds comments, evaluation on this situation.
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Man, this team I swear. I'm double fisting with Kool-Aid in one hand and Clorox in the other
 
IDEXAN said:
Texans rookie inside linebacker Dylan Cole suffered a Grade hamstring strain against the Cleveland Browns while returning an interception, according to league sources not authorized to speak publicly.

Cole underwent a magnetic resonance imaging exam Monday, revealing the extent of the damage. The typical recovery time for that severity of hamstring injury is at least four weeks and can take longer. Cole is expected to play again this season.


Cole made an acrobatic leaping interception of a Kevin Hogan pass and got injured during the return. He was on crutches after the game.
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Here's the report in the Chronicle and we can wait and look forward to C&Ds comments, evaluation on this situation.
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I pretty much made my assessments in previous posts. Note that the report says "hamstring injury" apparently purposefully avoidng identifying whether it was tendon or muscle tear. Tendons have lesser/slower ability to heal. One thing that needs to be understood......studies have repeatedly shown that MRIs can identify the grade of the tear, but have no correlative value to predict safe return to play. Furthermore, 1/3 of players with these injuries will re-injure.........1/3 within 2 weeks of return.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I pretty much made my assessments in previous posts. Note that the report says "hamstring injury" apparently purposefully avoidng identifying whether it was tendon or muscle tear. Tendons have lesser/slower ability to heal. One thing that needs to be understood......studies have repeatedly shown that MRIs can identify the grade of the tear, but have no correlative value to predict safe return to play. Furthermore, 1/3 of players with these injuries will re-injure.........1/3 within 2 weeks of return.
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Let's just hope he's not that 1 out of the 3 that gets re-injured! :ouch:
 
badboy said:
Doc anything on Decoud I've missed? Haven't seen on field.
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Decoud did not look ready in preseason. Evidently, he has not made enough progress to get much playing time. He has mostly been "inactive." He has had no injury that I am aware of to account for this. Last game in limited play, he was credited with 2 tackles. His school graduation restriction has blunted his progress. I could be wrong, but my guess is that he will not see a great presence the rest of the year unless the secondary becomes decimated.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Lower limb injuries in general were found to be increased on turf vs natural grass in a 2010 NFL study. A more recent study including newer turfs that covered play from 2012-2015 resulted in similar findings although the researchers admitted that the statistical confidence intervals were too wide to draw many firm conclusions.
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Not the natural grass at NRG.
 
Dr. David Chao has put together an interesting set of data regarding the "questionable" and "doubtful" injury game status designations......comparing this year to last year:

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Last season, in the first year of there being no “probable” designation available to teams, 78 percent of players listed as “questionable” on an injury report ended up active.

That percentage is down significantly this year, to 61 percent, and just eight teams have had 78 percent of their “questionable” players end up active. In 2015, the season before “probable” was eliminated, 55 percent “questionable” players were active.

The uptick last year was likely due to the amalgamating questionable (50% likelihood of playing) and probable (95 percent or higher chance of playing) together.

With a season to get used to not having the “probable” designation, teams seem to be adjusting back toward the baseline. Instead of moving the old probables to questionable, players who would have been probably before ‘16 are being moved off the injury report. This might explain the change, but we are only part way through the season.

Through six weeks this year, all 60 players listed as “doubtful” have ended up inactive this season. In 2016, just eight of 207 (four percent) doubtful players ended up active.

How players are designated varies from team to team, as far as how much input there is from the head coach, general manager and medical/training staff.

The list below ranks teams in order of the percentage of questionable players who ended up active the week they were listed.


Team Questionable Doubtful
1. Buccaneers 93% (14 of 15) 0% (0 of 7)
2. Ravens 85% (17 of 20) 0% (0 of 4)
3. Panthers 83% (5 of 6) 0% (0 of 1)
t3. Texans 83% (5of 6) 0% (0 of 1)
5. Chiefs 80% (4 of 5) 0% (0 of 5)
t5. Colts 80% (8 of 10) 0% (0 of 2)
t5. Titans 80% (4 of 5) None
8. 49ers 78% (14 of 18) 0% (0 of 1)
9. Dolphins 76% (16 of 21) (0 of 3)
10. Redskins 75% (12 of 16) 0% (0 of 2)
t10. Seahawks 75% (9 of 12) 0% (0 of 4)
12. Jets 71% (5 of 7) 0% (0 of 4)
t12. Broncos 71% (5 of 7) None
t12. Giants 71% (10 of 14) None
t12. Jaguars 71% (10 of 14) None
16. Lions 67% (18 of 27) None
t16. Bills 67% (4 of 6) None
18. Cardinals 65% (13 of 20) None
19. Chargers 64% (14 of 22) None
20. Patriots 61% (20 of 33) 0% (0 of 2)
21. Eagles 60% (9 of 15) None
22. Saints 58% (7 of 12) None
23. Packers 57% (12 of 21) 0% (0 of 12)
24. Cowboys 53% (10 of 19) None
25. Bengals 50% (4 of 8) 0% (0 of 1)
t25. Rams 50% (4 of 8) None
27. Bears 41% (7 of 17) 0% (0 of 6)
28. Vikings 38% (3 of 8) None
29. Browns 44% (4 of 9) 0% (0 of 5)
30. Falcons 33% (1 of 3) None
31. Raiders 29% (5 of 17) None
32. Steelers 17% (2 of 12) 0% (0 of 1)

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Wolf said:
Fiedorowicz.
Any news on how he is doing?
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None. And I wouldn't expect a follow up before the end of the season.......unless he is designated to return. I somehow doubt that the Texans opt the latter, since he sustained 2 concussions within just a couple of weeks late preseason/early season of this year..........and sustained a 3rd concussion in week 14 last year..........essentially 3 concussions within 9 months........with the last one considered severe.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
None. And I wouldn't expect a follow up before the end of the season.......unless he is designated to return. I somehow doubt that the Texans opt the latter, since he sustained 2 concussions within just a couple of weeks late preseason/early season of this year..........and sustained a 3rd concussion in week 14 last year..........essentially 3 concussions within 9 months........with the last one considered severe.
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All of which happened after he signed a contract extension. :(
 
Marcus said:
All of which happened after he signed a contract extension. :(
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His contract was extended on Aug 31. You might remember, everyone was surprised when he was announced to be on the tail end of the Concussion Protocol on Sept 6. There were several reports including by the Chronicle's Aaron Wilson that Fiedorowicz had suffered this concussion late in the preseason.

Texans placed TE C.J. Fiedorowicz on injured reserve with a concussion.
The move comes after Fiedorowicz suffered two concussions in short succession. He was injured late in camp and then again on Sunday. It's a big blow to the Texans' offense, as Fiedorowicz is their primary pass catcher at tight end. The Texans are thin at receiver while Will Fuller (collarbone) is sidelined. Ryan Griffin should absorb most of Fiedorowicz's lost targets, but is missing Week 2 with a concussion of his own, as is third-stringer Stephen Anderson. It's a dire situation in Houston. Sep 12 - 4:40 PM
Source: James Palmer on Twitter
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As the last day of TC was Aug 22, that means that Fiedorowicz's contract extension had to be signed while he was still early in the Concussion Protocol. Furthermore, this means he would have had to have already been in the midst of the Protocol for at very least 9 days (a significant red flag of a more serious concussion) at the time of signing.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
His contract was extended on Aug 31. You might remember, everyone was surprised when he was announced to be on the tail end of the Concussion Protocol on Sept 6. There were several reports including by the Chronicle's Aaron Wilson that Fiedorowicz had suffered this concussion late in the preseason.



As the last day of TC was Aug 22, that means that Fiedorowicz's contract extension had to be signed while he was still early in the Concussion Protocol.
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This re-signing was almost as brilliant as the Prosch/Hal re-signings.
 
steelbtexan said:
This re-signing was almost as brilliant as the Prosch/Hal re-signings.
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We've been allowing our low level starting talent to move elsewhere for years to the detriment of the team. You sign up a replacement and go through the growing pains of their developmental years. I feel the Texans did the right thing in keeping hold of a few of these guys. They know the system and the coaching staff know what to do to minimise their shortcomings.

Injuries happen, you can't blame the team when they do. Fiedo may not be gronk, but can be a cog in a balanced passing attack if he can get healthy, not a bad contract at all.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
His contract was extended on Aug 31. You might remember, everyone was surprised when he was announced to be on the tail end of the Concussion Protocol on Sept 6. There were several reports including by the Chronicle's Aaron Wilson that Fiedorowicz had suffered this concussion late in the preseason.



As the last day of TC was Aug 22, that means that Fiedorowicz's contract extension had to be signed while he was still early in the Concussion Protocol. Furthermore, this means he would have had to have already been in the midst of the Protocol for at very least 9 days (a significant red flag of a more serious concussion) at the time of signing.
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Ok, stand corrected. But really, given the amount of concussions he’s had already, wouldn’t you advise this guy that it’s time to hang it up? He’s probably got CTE already.
 
Marcus said:
Ok, stand corrected. But really, given the amount of concussions he’s had already, wouldn’t you advise this guy that it’s time to hang it up? He’s probably got CTE already.
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No one can make the decision for him. However, if it were my son, I would encourage him to consider retirement. Unfortunately, money too many times overshadows best judgement.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
No one can make the decision for him. However, if it were my son, I would encourage him to consider retirement. Unfortunately, money too many times overshadows best judgement.
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Not to derail the injury thread, just had to add this in because we touch on it periodically but it doesn’t get enough traction. Players and agents get blasted for hold outs or sitting out a prime time game or missing 5 weeks with a “minor injury.”

This is a violent sport where 220-300 pound men collide at full speed, sometimes in excess of 20 MPH each, for the enjoyment of 32 owners and their families, where the common man can pay to enjoy the spectacle as well.

When “we” meaning the viewers of the NFL grow tired of the business side, contract negotiations, CBA bargaining, lockouts, strikes, etc etc... MANY (not all) forget that these are human beings with families. Do they make millions to do what they do, absolutely. Do they sign the paper for the risk, absolutely. But at the end of the day they want to play with their daughters, love their wives (well some anyway), provide for their parents. Sometimes being the sole provider outweighs long term health consideration.

That’s why I appreciate CND for bringing light to the true severity and recovery path to many of these injuries both of our Texans and other players around the league. I know I get a fair opinion from someone with nothing to gain or lose from the prognosis, and his insight is INVALUABLE for all of us.

Many of the team doctors and physical therapists are good men, but they have a split role and dual allegiances that make doing their job difficult, and they are well aware, believe me.

Anyway, CND sorry for the soapbox, you gave me a platform with your son statement. Thank you for that and thank you for your posts.

/micdrop
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
No one can make the decision for him. However, if it were my son, I would encourage him to consider retirement. Unfortunately, money too many times overshadows best judgement.
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CTE is not a consideration for the majority of football players. If you can make Millions of dollars as an elite athlete and the price of CTE, which has different effects on different people, Most will take that risk. If I could $20-$60 million over 10 years and the price is CTE? Most would do it in a heartbeat.
 
Mr.Scarface said:
CTE is not a consideration for the majority of football players. If you can make Millions of dollars as an elite athlete and the price of CTE, which has different effects on different people, Most will take that risk. If I could $20-$60 million over 10 years and the price is CTE? Most would do it in a heartbeat.
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I certainly understand what you're saying. But I've spoken to too many wealthy NFL players and their families over the years (especially the non elite ones) who left football after various years with innumerable disabilities that unlike what you hear with cherry picked interviews with some of the top elite players, would give most of their money back in a heartbeat if they "could have their lives back." BTW, most NFL players won't get a whiff of 5 years, let alone 10 years. CTE is the least of a player's worry when compared to early dementias of various types which are very common following multiple concussions...........and many of these can crop up in a player's 30's when they are trying to enjoy their families. All players have the right to chase the dollar. The smart ones will put much more into the equation.
 
Doc am I correct saying Kevin Johnson should return next game? I think if healthy joining Joseph and KJ as corners greatly improves chances vs 'hawks and allows Vrable to focus front 7 on attacking the run game.
 
badboy said:
Doc am I correct saying Kevin Johnson should return next game? I think if healthy joining Joseph and KJ as corners greatly improves chances vs 'hawks and allows Vrable to focus front 7 on attacking the run game.
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Six weeks would be appropriate for return (injury occurred Sep 18). KJ's return should be a significant positive. As I've posted before, my concern at the time of his MCL injury, was that it was compensatory for his foot still not being totally OK............as reflected by his abnormally long recovery from his 2nd Jones foot fracture. Hopefully, both are well healed now.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I certainly understand what you're saying. But I've spoken to too many wealthy NFL players and their families over the years (especially the non elite ones) who left football after various years with innumerable disabilities that unlike what you hear with cherry picked interviews with some of the top elite players, would give most of their money back in a heartbeat if they "could have their lives back." BTW, most NFL players won't get a whiff of 5 years, let alone 10 years. CTE is the least of a player's worry when compared to early dementias of various types which are very common following multiple concussions...........and many of these can crop up in a player's 30's when they are trying to enjoy their families. All players have the right to chase the dollar. The smart ones will put much more into the equation.
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I agree with everything you said here, but most of these guys don't want to see the end game. Was watching a real sports with bryant gumble piece on Wayne Chrebet sometime back. The punishment that guy took should've made him wanna hang it up, Yet he had to be told by his freaking wife after he got laid out against the chargers that he was done. & for some time after that dude was depressed b/c of it. I say that to say that its definitely about money, but most of these guys have been training their whole lives to get to that level & they've come to define themselves through the game. So i can understand why it's so hard for them to accept that its time to hang it up...You add in that they're being asked to do that at the EXACT point when they've just begun to experience the fruits of their labor in the NFL & its a double gut punch. They'd rather kill themselves than give up the game.
 
Mr teX said:
I agree with everything you said here, but most of these guys don't want to see the end game. Was watching a real sports with bryant gumble piece on Wayne Chrebet sometime back. The punishment that guy took should've made him wanna hang it up, Yet he had to be told by his freaking wife after he got laid out against the chargers that he was done. & for some time after that dude was depressed b/c of it. I say that to say that its definitely about money, but most of these guys have been training their whole lives to get to that level & they've come to define themselves through the game. So i can understand why it's so hard for them to accept that its time to hang it up...You add in that they're being asked to do that at the EXACT point when they've just begun to experience the fruits of their labor in the NFL & its a double gut punch. They'd rather kill themselves than give up the game.
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Wolf said:
Fiedorowicz.
Any news on how he is doing?
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Fiedorowicz was out there practicing today. If all goes well, he will come off of IR sometime in the next 3 weeks.
 
DocBar said:
Are you counting on him coming back, even 75% of DPOY JJ, at all?
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Every time Watt's come back from each of his major injuries/surgeries, he has performed at a lesser level than before those events. There is no reason to believe that this return will result in a different effect on his performance. We don't known the extent of his tibia plateau fracture injury (type I- type VI) or the extent of his expected meniscus and articular cartilage damage..........nor do we know what technique, open or arthroscopic, was utilized for repair. What we do know from a meta-analysis study published this year just a couple of months ago in The World Journal of Orthopedics is if the injury was moderate and was able to be performed arthroscopically (the least traumatic approach, which cannot always be taken if the injury is of the more severe types), he has ~ an 80% change to return, and is likely to return at ~80% of his pre-injury performance level. If an open approach or external frame assisted fixation is required, the return rate drops to 60% and 52%, respectively, with a similar drop in the return rate to pre-injury level 34% and 31%, respectively. My only purpose in answering your post the way I have is to give a picture of the wide spectrum that is potential. And be assured I don't want this to be interpreted as total doom and despair, because there are too many things we don't know to make more accurate projections. Hopefully Watt is blessed with one of the lesser examples.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Every time Watt's come back from each of his major injuries/surgeries, he has performed at a lesser level than before those events. There is no reason to believe that this return will result in a different effect on his performance. We don't known the extent of his tibia plateau fracture injury (type I- type VI) or the extent of his meniscus or articular cartilage damage..........nor do we know what technique, open or arthroscopic, was utilized for repair. What we do know from a meta-analysis study published this year just a couple of months ago in The World Journal of Orthopedics is if the injury was moderate and was able to be performed arthroscopically (the least traumatic approach, which cannot always be taken if the injury is of the more severe types), he has ~ an 80% change to return, and is likely to return at ~80% of his pre-injury performance level. If an open approach or external frame assisted fixation is required, the return rate drops to 60% and 52%, respectively, with a similar drip in the return rate to pre-injury level 34% and 31%, respectively. My only purpose in answering your post the way I have is to give a picture of the wide spectrum that is potential. And be assured I don't want this to be interpreted as total doom and despair, because there are too many things we don't know to make more accurate projections. Hopefully Watt is blessed with one of the lesser examples.
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Excellent answer, as usual. Is there any chance that an aggressive surgeon could use a minimally invasive technique, with a more severe grade injury, in order to achieve a faster than normal return to play?
 
DocBar said:
Excellent answer, as usual. Is there any chance that an aggressive surgeon could use a minimally invasive technique, with a more severe grade injury, in order to achieve a faster than normal return to play?
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An experienced orthopedic surgeon will try to use the arthroscopic approach if appropriate and possible...........can't say anything beyond.
 
badboy said:
Not sure posted elsewhere but Fiedo at practise today per texanswire.
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He was at practice yesterday also. However, he has still not been activated to the 53 (the Texans technically have 3 weeks to decide his fate of activation or IR permanent.............I believe though that the decision for the former will be made much sooner).
 
JB said:
Isn't that a decision better left to him and his family rather than to some tincup fan?
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Not necessarily. The team should make that decision IMO; it certainly wouldn't be mine. But thanks for crediting me with enough authority to make the decision by merely expressing an opinion.
The team would really feel bad if they let him play because he wanted to and got killed as a result.
 
Seegara said:
Not necessarily. The team should make that decision IMO; it certainly wouldn't be mine. But thanks for crediting me with enough authority to make the decision by merely expressing an opinion.
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Seegara said:
it's too dangerous to reinstate him
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Doesn't read like opinion

Seegara said:
The team would really feel bad if they let him play because he wanted to and got killed as a result.
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Hyperbole much?
 
badboy said:
I have Tupperware bowl. Back to injuries. Are Allen and Clark close to 100% after bye week.
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Clark won't play tomorrow, and with a calf injury, he will be lucky to be able to play next week. Allen has come back from a high ankle sprain........but I would not say he is 100% as he like Clark with their type of injuries are high risk for recurrence within the same season.
 
Thanks. Going to be interesting who plays on line and linebackers with Cole out. Good time for Cunningham to step up.
 
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