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Expectations for Jaelen Strong?

And to think....the Texans could've had Chris Conley instead. I mocked Conley a few times....why didn't RS get the memo's? I think they fired the wrong guy for lack of talent.
 
Texian said:
I think that was more than they gave up to draft Nix.
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Man, great point and it gave me an idea.

Add up the picks to draft the players and the picks used to trade:
3 (Posey), and traded a 3, 5, and 7
3 (Nix), and a 4, and 5

7 picks wasted. Three 3s, a 4, two 5s, and 7.

Where is the accountability? That's worse than the 2013 draft.

I wonder how many trades that were wasted out there?
 
This team doesn't know WTF it's doing and pissing away all these draft picks, in the words of Rev Wright "the chickens have come home to roost."

The depth on this team absolutely sucks, hell the ones on offense suck. The only thing that has kept this tin can afloat has been the defense..a all world defense which they have completely wasted. As injuries mount and they are starting to, the lack of depth on this team mixed with a completely mishandled offense is going to cause this team to nose dive towards one of the worst records in the league...and guess what? Due to further mismanagement we will continue to miss out on cornerstone prospects, because we won't have very high 1st or 2nd round picks to show for it.

The lack of the 2nd round pick pisses me off the most, because its not like we used all that extra cap space we got by unloading Brock to greatly improve the team. Why the hell just not cut him?

Again, this team can't even see what's infront of their dumbass faces when you have to have the ability to see what's coming around the corner in order to be successful in this league. We are a embarrassment and if you don't think so..we got our ish pushed in by the Cleveland Browns front office..think about that for a second. That's how bad the Houston brain trust is.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
Again, this team can't even see what's infront of their dumbass faces when you have to have the ability to see what's coming around the corner in order to be successful in this league. We are a embarrassment and if you don't think so..we got our ish pushed by the Cleveland Browns front office..think about that for a second. That's how bad the Houston brain trust is.
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Most likely you're correct. But... a QB makes all the difference in the world. Everything can play out like you've outlined, well, except for the losing. If for we start to overcome all the crap that's been plaguing this team for the last five years because we have a QB, then even Rick Smith will look like Ted Thom... well, he'll look like Ozz... ok, he'll look like the guy.... you know what I mean.
 
jshabang said:
Will Fuller returned to Full Practice and could be cleared Sunday to play in Boston........ now it all makes sense...... seems like they rushing Fuller back to me tho
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Hopefully they surgically removed the butter from his fingers when his shoulder was fixed.

Joking aside I'm sure he isn't ready and he will get hurt again. Plus being a speed guy he will probably tear a hamstring assuming he hasn't been able to run while healing the shoulder.
 
Carr Bombed said:
This team doesn't know WTF it's doing and pissing away all these draft picks, in the words of Rev Wright "the chickens have come home to roost."

The depth on this team absolutely sucks, hell the ones on offense suck. The only thing that has kept this tin can afloat has been the defense..a all world defense which they have completely wasted. As injuries mount and they are starting to, the lack of depth on this team mixed with a completely mishandled offense is going to cause this team to nose dive towards one of the worst records in the league...and guess what? Due to further mismanagement we will continue to miss out on cornerstone prospects, because we won't have very high 1st or 2nd round picks to show for it.

The lack of the 2nd round pick pisses me off the most, because its not like we used all that extra cap space we got by unloading Brock to greatly improve the team. Why the hell just piss away that pick?

Again, this team can't even see what's infront of their dumbass faces when you have to have the ability to see what's coming around the corner in order to be successful in this league. We are a embarrassment and if you don't think so..we got our ish pushed by the Cleveland Browns front office..think about that for a second. That's how bad the Houston brain trust is.
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Well at least we agree on this and baseball.

Does McNair even care?

A decade of proof says he doesn't.
 
TexansBull said:
Man, great point and it gave me an idea.

Add up the picks to draft the players and the picks used to trade:
3 (Posey), and traded a 3, 5, and 7
3 (Nix), and a 4, and 5

7 picks wasted. Three 3s, a 4, two 5s, and 7.

Where is the accountability? That's worse than the 2013 draft.

I wonder how many trades that were wasted out there?
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Sad isn't it

Wonder why the team lacks depth
 
OptimisticTexan said:
And to think....the Texans could've had Chris Conley instead. I mocked Conley a few times....why didn't RS get the memo's? I think they fired the wrong guy for lack of talent.
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People who say fans cant do as good a job picking talent as Ricky does because he and the scouts are the professionals need to look at the Nix/Strong/Psey etc.. drafts.
 
steelbtexan said:
People who say fans cant do as good a job picking talent as Ricky does because he and the scouts are the professionals need to look at the Nix/Strong/Psey etc.. drafts.
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There's a pretty simple way to figure this out... At work right now, but if you go to profootball reference, you should be able to load all of the players in the nfl who were drafted in the past decade or two. I Imagine you could get a rough approximation of how well teams do by round by simply taking the median rating for each position or round or and seeing where the Texans sit. If I get time, I'll try it when I get home.
 
Texanmike02 said:
There's a pretty simple way to figure this out... At work right now, but if you go to profootball reference, you should be able to load all of the players in the nfl who were drafted in the past decade or two. I Imagine you could get a rough approximation of how well teams do by round by simply taking the median rating for each position or round or and seeing where the Texans sit. If I get time, I'll try it when I get home.
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I bet Ricky will be avg at best and when you consider the fact that guys like XSF is a multi yr starter then those stats will be lying to you.
 
Texanmike02 said:
There's a pretty simple way to figure this out... At work right now, but if you go to profootball reference, you should be able to load all of the players in the nfl who were drafted in the past decade or two. I Imagine you could get a rough approximation of how well teams do by round by simply taking the median rating for each position or round or and seeing where the Texans sit. If I get time, I'll try it when I get home.
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I knew about it, but you can't break up the years a player was with the Texans and the years after they moved on to another team.
I think there's more problem to it than just that, but I can't think what that might be at the moment.
 
Texanmike02 said:
There's a pretty simple way to figure this out... At work right now, but if you go to profootball reference, you should be able to load all of the players in the nfl who were drafted in the past decade or two. I Imagine you could get a rough approximation of how well teams do by round by simply taking the median rating for each position or round or and seeing where the Texans sit. If I get time, I'll try it when I get home.
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An example is David Carr and Demeco Ryans.

Carr got 44 credits.

Demeco received 58 total for 6 years with the Texans and 4 years with the Eagles.
 
steelbtexan said:
I bet Ricky will be avg at best and when you consider the fact that guys like XSF is a multi yr starter then those stats will be lying to you.
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So how would you break it down? You can't target just ricky and say "well his starters aren't the same as others"...

I'm suggesting you look at a grade like this https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index37a8.html

For the record I haven't done any investigation and I have no idea how it will turn out. I'm asking you up front... how would you get some kind of quantitative measure? Or are you saying that it doesn't matter what the measure says? (I really am asking, I haven't had time to pay attention to this team like I used to so I don't know as much as many of you guys. I do enjoy data though, and would be glad to do this as time allows. If I do, however, I think the whole drunkard and lamppost and statistics theme applies)....
 
Texanmike02 said:
So how would you break it down? You can't target just ricky and say "well his starters aren't the same as others"...

I'm suggesting you look at a grade like this https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index37a8.html

For the record I haven't done any investigation and I have no idea how it will turn out. I'm asking you up front... how would you get some kind of quantitative measure? Or are you saying that it doesn't matter what the measure says? (I really am asking, I haven't had time to pay attention to this team like I used to so I don't know as much as many of you guys. I do enjoy data though, and would be glad to do this as time allows. If I do, however, I think the whole drunkard and lamppost and statistics theme applies)....
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I'm not sure how to respond to this post. Because guys drafted by Ricky like XSF/Blue/Strong etc... while on the roster for yrs really aren't NFL caliber starters/players although they may have played a number of yrs for the Texans.

With that said, I would like to see the data if you can find it. Make sure you take into account the trades that were made to acquire some of these players.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
And they could have had Tyler Locket instead! We've been wandering in the desert for a star returner (and a decent WR) for how long?
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The story I heard on that draft night was that Smith traded up to take Lockett (a similar player to Dorsett), but Seattle jumped ahead and drafted Lockett instead. Don't know if that was valid, just one of those rumors that were floated that night.
 
I'd love to see the Texans pluck Demarcus Ayers off of the Patriots' practice squad (before the Pats elevate him to their 53). Belichick was singing his praises a few days ago.

He looked good late last season with the Steelers before an injury. The Texans badly need a sure-handed slot guy, and he can return kicks, too.

Oh, and with the Texans at NE next weekend, good timing.
 
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Lucky said:
The story I heard on that draft night was that Smith traded up to take Lockett (a similar player to Dorsett), but Seattle jumped ahead and drafted Lockett instead. Don't know if that was valid, just one of those rumors that were floated that night.
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It's valid. Rick Smith wanted Lockett.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not sure how to respond to this post. Because guys drafted by Ricky like XSF/Blue/Strong etc... while on the roster for yrs really aren't NFL caliber starters/players although they may have played a number of yrs for the Texans.

With that said, I would like to see the data if you can find it. Make sure you take into account the trades that were made to acquire some of these players.
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I saw somewhere around here the last couple of days that RS has only drafted one probowler... sorry I don't remember the context but it epitomized why the Texans are below the bell weather curve and will be for awhile
 
JB said:
I saw somewhere around here the last couple of days that RS has only drafted one probowler... sorry I don't remember the context but it epitomized why the Texans are below the bell weather curve and will be for awhile
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Cant be true ... JJ Watt & D.Brown .... that's two.
 
Corrosion said:
Cant be true ... JJ Watt & D.Brown .... that's two.
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maybe it was in the O'Brien era... then it's only Clowney? Don't remember the chart exactly, but showed the results for all teams and the Texans were only ones in top 15 that had only one probowler.

Rankings of GM's I think
 
Putting all the jumping on the 'I hate Smith/McMair' bandwagon aside, (yes, I know it's popular)

something....something, had to have happened, to bring about this move. I don't think RS just woke up in the morning and just decided to release him arbitrarily.

Something happened.
 
Lucky said:
Strong started out in O'Brien's doghouse and never got out. Will be interesting if he ever becomes productive with another team.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. I don't think he really got much of a shot after he got in BoB's dog house. It's a shame, because he showed real potential at times. I was excited when we selected him based on his ability to catch the ball, his height, and his vertical. I thought he could developed into a real threat in the red zone going up high to get the ball. I expected him to start opposite Hopkins in year two and began to sense he would never get a real shot after they started two rookies ahead of him that year. I understand starting the number one pick in front of him, but not Braxton Miller. I would not be surprised if he is picked up by another team and becomes a fairly decent receiver. This team is good about wasting/not developing talent of the offensive side of the ball. I also wonder if they had him shed too much weight which took away from his ability to play a more physical game against the DBs.
 
Texas Jake said:
I think you hit the nail on the head. I don't think he really got much of a shot after he got in BoB's dog house. It's a shame, because he showed real potential at times. I was excited when we selected him based on his ability to catch the ball, his height, and his vertical. I thought he could developed into a real threat in the red zone going up high to get the ball. I expected him to start opposite Hopkins in year two and began to sense he would never get a real shot after they started two rookies ahead of him that year. I understand starting the number one pick in front of him, but not Braxton Miller. I would not be surprised if he is picked up by another team and becomes a fairly decent receiver. This team is good about wasting/not developing talent of the offensive side of the ball. I also wonder if they had him shed too much weight which took away from his ability to play a more physical game against the DBs.
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I don't think it had anything to do with his performance on the field. Yes, I know they're calling it a "football decision", but they were hurting for receiver help in a big way, and he was having a good camp, and even caught TD pass in preseason. The truth will come out eventually.
 
Strong had the same widely reported problems in college that he he has had with the Texans..............he wasn't fast and never could run good routes and never could gain separation and caught too many balls against his body...........that and too many of his contested balls were because of his aforementioned deficiencies.........with no speed or quickness, corners routinely played underneath. Strong unexpectedly dropped like a rock in the Draft, with 10 receivers being taken before him. Although his AS coach denied it, discipline problems were reported while he played there, and was purported as one of the factors leading to the drop. Certainly he didn't show conditioning discipline in at least his first 2 years here, and the doghouse, no matter what some might think, was not just an ego power move by O'Brien. Then his arrest. I don't believe that you have to look past his Arizona State performance/experience to see how things turned out here.......and why the Texans decided to part ways even though they were desperate for WRs. BTW, in the NFL, you still have to be able to gain separation to be a real Red Zone threat. Now if there is something additional that hasn't come out yet, it would only serve to seal the decision even more solidly.
 
I was big fan of Strong and surprised he dropped to us. He needed to have a better than good preseason and he did not. Surprised cut came with only Hopkins and no stats Ellington and NO TEs? Looks like Lamar Miller needs to see a few more targets.
 
badboy said:
I was big fan of Strong and surprised he dropped to us. He needed to have a better than good preseason and he did not. Surprised cut came with only Hopkins and no stats Ellington and NO TEs? Looks like Lamar Miller needs to see a few more targets.
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So we are going to field Hopkins, Ellington, Jones & Miller at WR. Only two players who were with us in TC.

Sounds like a plan to me. The godfathers plan. :worm:

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
So we are going to field Hopkins, Ellington, Jones & Miller at WR. Only two players who were with us in TC.

Sounds like a plan to me. The godfathers plan. :worm:

:coffee:
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More commonly known as a clusterphuc. Unbelievable how the Texans can go in to and out of training camp with such an amalgamation of such a poor group of WRs and OL? :hankpalm:
 
Boy!!! I'm just happy that the Texans are so flush with WR's that it made Strong expendable and to top it all off, just throw him to the street so a division rival can take him for nothing. Maybe RS thinks he's baiting an Acme Trap....and we all know, that didn't work to well for Wiley Coyote.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Boy!!! I'm just happy that the Texans are so flush with WR's that it made Strong expendable and to top it all off, just throw him to the street so a division rival can take him for nothing. Maybe RS thinks he's baiting an Acme Trap....and we all know, that didn't work to well for Wiley Coyote.
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I think Rick Smith trying to tank to get the first pick of round one next year.
 
You may be interested to know that Strong must have had a hamstring tear when he left the Texans. The day after his Tuesday evening acquisition by the Jags, in his first practice on Wednesday was already limited...........and did not practice at all today. He won't be traveling to London with the Team for their next game. Strong has had significant hamstring problems while with the Texans in both 2015 and 2016. With yet another recurrence for the 3rd straight year, his hamstring is likely destined to continue to be a chronic problem the rest of his career.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Boy!!! I'm just happy that the Texans are so flush with WR's that it made Strong expendable and to top it all off, just throw him to the street so a division rival can take him for nothing. Maybe RS thinks he's baiting an Acme Trap....and we all know, that didn't work to well for Wiley Coyote.
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Out of curiosity, who on Kirby makes the decision to cut a player like Strong? Smith, O'Brien or both?
 
Earl34 said:
Out of curiosity, who on Kirby makes the decision to cut a player like Strong? Smith, O'Brien or both?
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Many moons ago I had a conversation on their Fannin practice field with WK Hicks a player for the Oilers.

He told me that teams don't cut players, they cut themselves.

In the case of cutting Strong though I firmly believe the godfather asked Obrien what he thougt of Strong.

Obrien said he liked him and was going to start him against the Pats.

The rest is history.

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