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I agree. If Miller could be in more passing plays like the one Foreman was in he could be a serious asset to us. But, as been pointed out before everywhere we run him up the middle which is not his strength.

Now that you bring up accuracy, i wonder if having Brock made OB not game plan for Miller as much because Brock was so inaccurate.

Maybe this changes with Savage and OB isn't showing all his cards yet.
I think Os expected to make his name known on his abilities, not handing ball off or dumping short pass to RB or TE. IMO, neither Savage or Watson think like that. OBrien is really in my focus on this. A good coach adjusts and I'm not sure Bill is the guy.
 
I think Os expected to make his name known on his abilities, not handing ball off or dumping short pass to RB or TE. IMO, neither Savage or Watson think like that. OBrien is really in my focus on this. A good coach adjusts and I'm not sure Bill is the guy.

OB is definitely on the hot seat not only making his offense work and adapting his game plan.

I think his first year showed promise because of how he got all he could from Fitz and dealing with all the QB injuries. The second was bad because both Hoyer and Mallett sucked it up. The third was a push because.i think Brock just handicapped the offense so much. His skills and his mentality just wasn't a fit. Regardless of opinion he has to show some results this year with either Savage or Watson and prove this offense can work.

So yeah, i agree.
 
I agree. If Miller could be in more passing plays like the one Foreman was in he could be a serious asset to us. But, as been pointed out before everywhere we run him up the middle which is not his strength.

Now that you bring up accuracy, i wonder if having Brock made OB not game plan for Miller as much because Brock was so inaccurate.

Maybe this changes with Savage and OB isn't showing all his cards yet.

You can be sure that O'Brien isn't showing all of his cards yet........or before week 1. He now finally has a QB that I am sure he thinks can run his playbook the way he would have liked to in past years. At this time it's evaluation time of a myriad of players with mixed skills playing with Savage. Don't expect to see the playbook open up until all his permanent cast is determined and on the field together.........and that won't be before week 1.
 
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You can be sure that O'Brien isn't showing all of his cards yet........or before week 1. He now finally has a QB that I am sure he thinks can run his playbook the way he would have liked to in past years. At this time it's evaluation time of a myriad of players with mixed skills playing with Savage. Don't expect to see the playbook open up until all his permanent cast is determined and on the field together.........and that won't be before week 1.
And Savage has the edge with playbook knowledge - which might tip the scales in his favour come time to name the starter.
 
You can be sure that O'Brien isn't showing all of his cards yet........or before week 1. He now finally has a QB that I am sure he thinks can run his playbook the way he would have liked to in past years. At this time it's evaluation time of a myriad of players with mixed skills playing with Savage. Don't expect to see the playbook open up until all his permanent cast is determined and on the field together.........and that won't be before week 1.

Just like the Patriots won't.................Here a Patriots view of that subject.

Howe: No cause for alarm in Patriots' ugly defense vs. Texans
Jeff Howe Monday, August 21, 2017

HOUSTON — Consider the scheme, not the faces.

That should be the overriding takeaway when assessing the Patriots starting defense’s initial performance of the preseason Saturday against the Texans. They allowed a touchdown, a pair of drives inside the 10-yard line and 6 yards per play in the initial two series of the game, which obviously isn’t a resume booster, but there’s no reason to be alarmed with 17 days remaining until the regular-season opener.

Cornerback Malcolm Butler had a forgettable night by allowing four catches for 59 yards and a touchdown in two series, but that is a wild aberration for the Patriots’ best defensive player through the opening month of training camp. Compare that to last season, when he allowed four catches just four times in 19 games. And Butler didn’t surrender more than two catches in any of the final seven outings, including the playoffs.

The Patriots opened the night with one of their favorite looks of the summer. They had a six-man front with defensive linemen Lawrence Guy, Vincent Valentine, Malcom Brown and Kony Ealy in the middle, and linebackers Harvey Langi and Kyle Van Noy on the edges. Linebacker Elandon Roberts and safety Patrick Chung manned the second level, while Butler, cornerback Stephon Gilmore and deep safety Devin McCourty filled out the defense. That was as exotic as it would be, and the Texans began with a 4-yard run from Lamar Miller.

From there on out, the Patriots ran a bland, predictable defense. They’ll save the fun stuff — and there’s plenty of that — for the games that matter, including the Week 3 rematch with the Texans in Foxboro.

Also, remember linebackers Dont’a Hightower and Shea McClellin, and defensive linemen Trey Flowers and Deatrich Wise didn’t see the field. Flowers was in uniform but was held out for undisclosed reasons, while the other three have been dealing with injuries.

At any rate, there were issues for the starters who did see the field, but they were largely correctable. Roberts, whose coverage skills aren’t his strong suit, got tangled in traffic and that allowed Bruce Ellington’s 12-yard catch on the second snap of the game. It’s likely he wouldn’t have been on the field for that play if Hightower and McClellin were healthy.

Later in the opening drive, Van Noy had a rare blitz when he was flagged for roughing quarterback Tom Savage. But with McCourty and Chung lined up directly behind Van Noy and over the Texans’ pair of tight ends, it was obvious that Van Noy was blitzing. That’s a vanilla look for Savage, who still needed a bailout from the officials.

Ellington beat Butler for 37 yards on the ensuing play. First, it was a surprise that Savage made the quick throw because Butler had good leverage in coverage. But ultimately, Butler mistimed the jump — a similar issue occurred Wednesday in practice — and Ellington rewarded Savage’s faith. Butler surely will be tested with similar throws early in the season, so that will be a point of emphasis in practice.

The Patriots were mostly fine on the rest of the opening drive despite rushing four on passing plays. Guy continued his summer surge with a sack after bull-rushing the right guard, and Gilmore’s breakup forced a third-and-17.

The back seven played off coverage due to the down and distance, so Butler relinquished a catch to Ellington by design, before safety Nate Ebner’s missed tackle allowed a short catch to turn into an 11-yard gain. Ebner won’t be on the field in defensive situations in the regular season unless there are at least a couple of injuries with the safety group.

The Texans would have certainly taken the easy three points in a meaningful game, but chose to go for it on fourth-and-6 from the 8-yard line, and Guy halted Miller for 2 yards. Credit Ealy on that play, too. He opened with a wide rush, recognized the draw and reverted to his run gap to help in support. Those are the types of plays that will keep Ealy on the field.

There were some defensive substitutions for the second series. The Patriots opened with a four-man front of Langi, Branch, Valentine and Caleb Kidder, who appears to be a longshot to make the 53-man roster. Ryan Griffin then beat linebacker David Harris for a 6-yard catch. Harris, who surely will be protected in coverage situations, stuffed Miller for no gain on the next play, showing that his strength remains as a downhill player.

The Texans converted on the ensuing third-and-4 because Savage had enough time to stare into the solar eclipse before delivering a 15-yard pass to Stephen Anderson. But the four-man rush included Langi, Valentine, Adam Butler and Kidder. Butler is a practice-squad candidate like Kidder, and with standard health across the board, Langi and Valentine are still backups despite their nice camps.

Langi, who had a QB hit and a pressure in the first three series while other starters were in the game, made a couple of mistakes in the second drive. His delayed blitz was a step late, which allowed Savage to hit Tyler Ervin for 6 yards, and Langi later committed a hands-to-the-face penalty to set up first-and-goal from the 4 instead of third-and-7 from the 9. Butler then got beat by Jaelen Strong for a 2-yard score on a double move. Butler didn’t allow a TD after Week 12 last season.

So, the contingent of starters didn’t have an ideal start to the preseason, but this vanilla-based scheme won’t be used when the games actually count. The Patriots had no desire to put the good stuff on film in Houston.
 
Just like the Patriots won't.................Here a Patriots view of that subject.

Howe: No cause for alarm in Patriots' ugly defense vs. Texans
Jeff Howe Monday, August 21, 2017

HOUSTON — Consider the scheme, not the faces.

That should be the overriding takeaway when assessing the Patriots starting defense’s initial performance of the preseason Saturday against the Texans. They allowed a touchdown, a pair of drives inside the 10-yard line and 6 yards per play in the initial two series of the game, which obviously isn’t a resume booster, but there’s no reason to be alarmed with 17 days remaining until the regular-season opener.

Cornerback Malcolm Butler had a forgettable night by allowing four catches for 59 yards and a touchdown in two series, but that is a wild aberration for the Patriots’ best defensive player through the opening month of training camp. Compare that to last season, when he allowed four catches just four times in 19 games. And Butler didn’t surrender more than two catches in any of the final seven outings, including the playoffs.

The Patriots opened the night with one of their favorite looks of the summer. They had a six-man front with defensive linemen Lawrence Guy, Vincent Valentine, Malcom Brown and Kony Ealy in the middle, and linebackers Harvey Langi and Kyle Van Noy on the edges. Linebacker Elandon Roberts and safety Patrick Chung manned the second level, while Butler, cornerback Stephon Gilmore and deep safety Devin McCourty filled out the defense. That was as exotic as it would be, and the Texans began with a 4-yard run from Lamar Miller.

From there on out, the Patriots ran a bland, predictable defense. They’ll save the fun stuff — and there’s plenty of that — for the games that matter, including the Week 3 rematch with the Texans in Foxboro.

Also, remember linebackers Dont’a Hightower and Shea McClellin, and defensive linemen Trey Flowers and Deatrich Wise didn’t see the field. Flowers was in uniform but was held out for undisclosed reasons, while the other three have been dealing with injuries.

At any rate, there were issues for the starters who did see the field, but they were largely correctable. Roberts, whose coverage skills aren’t his strong suit, got tangled in traffic and that allowed Bruce Ellington’s 12-yard catch on the second snap of the game. It’s likely he wouldn’t have been on the field for that play if Hightower and McClellin were healthy.

Later in the opening drive, Van Noy had a rare blitz when he was flagged for roughing quarterback Tom Savage. But with McCourty and Chung lined up directly behind Van Noy and over the Texans’ pair of tight ends, it was obvious that Van Noy was blitzing. That’s a vanilla look for Savage, who still needed a bailout from the officials.

Ellington beat Butler for 37 yards on the ensuing play. First, it was a surprise that Savage made the quick throw because Butler had good leverage in coverage. But ultimately, Butler mistimed the jump — a similar issue occurred Wednesday in practice — and Ellington rewarded Savage’s faith. Butler surely will be tested with similar throws early in the season, so that will be a point of emphasis in practice.

The Patriots were mostly fine on the rest of the opening drive despite rushing four on passing plays. Guy continued his summer surge with a sack after bull-rushing the right guard, and Gilmore’s breakup forced a third-and-17.

The back seven played off coverage due to the down and distance, so Butler relinquished a catch to Ellington by design, before safety Nate Ebner’s missed tackle allowed a short catch to turn into an 11-yard gain. Ebner won’t be on the field in defensive situations in the regular season unless there are at least a couple of injuries with the safety group.

The Texans would have certainly taken the easy three points in a meaningful game, but chose to go for it on fourth-and-6 from the 8-yard line, and Guy halted Miller for 2 yards. Credit Ealy on that play, too. He opened with a wide rush, recognized the draw and reverted to his run gap to help in support. Those are the types of plays that will keep Ealy on the field.

There were some defensive substitutions for the second series. The Patriots opened with a four-man front of Langi, Branch, Valentine and Caleb Kidder, who appears to be a longshot to make the 53-man roster. Ryan Griffin then beat linebacker David Harris for a 6-yard catch. Harris, who surely will be protected in coverage situations, stuffed Miller for no gain on the next play, showing that his strength remains as a downhill player.

The Texans converted on the ensuing third-and-4 because Savage had enough time to stare into the solar eclipse before delivering a 15-yard pass to Stephen Anderson. But the four-man rush included Langi, Valentine, Adam Butler and Kidder. Butler is a practice-squad candidate like Kidder, and with standard health across the board, Langi and Valentine are still backups despite their nice camps.

Langi, who had a QB hit and a pressure in the first three series while other starters were in the game, made a couple of mistakes in the second drive. His delayed blitz was a step late, which allowed Savage to hit Tyler Ervin for 6 yards, and Langi later committed a hands-to-the-face penalty to set up first-and-goal from the 4 instead of third-and-7 from the 9. Butler then got beat by Jaelen Strong for a 2-yard score on a double move. Butler didn’t allow a TD after Week 12 last season.

So, the contingent of starters didn’t have an ideal start to the preseason, but this vanilla-based scheme won’t be used when the games actually count. The Patriots had no desire to put the good stuff on film in Houston.

Too bad Bellichik doesn't think like this homer. Just make excuses for your stud CB getting beat by a WR the Texans just signed a week before the game...
 
OB has stated their is no QB competition this year and Savage is the starter; I have seen nothing from him in word or in action that has contradicted that statement. Unless Savage is injured (or completely implodes), he will be the game one starter.

Or his alarm stops working.
 
The Texans actually announced three roster moves on Wednesday, signing free agent Outside Linebacker Mike Catapano, waiving Wide Receiver Devin Street with an injury designation and activating defensive end Joel Heath from the non-football injury list to the active roster.

Heath suffered a hamstring injury previously undisclosed) during the offseason (wonder what he was doing) and has been rehabbing up to now. Let's hope that he can stay on the field.
 
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The Texans actually announced three roster moves on Wednesday, signing free agent Outside Linebacker Mike Catapano, waiving Wide Receiver Devin Street with an injury designation and activating defensive end Joel Heath from the non-football injury list to the active roster.

Heath suffered a hamstring injury previously undisclosed) during the offseason (wonder what he was doing) and has been rehabbing up to now. Let's hope that he can stay on the field.

Really excited that Heath is back! There will be tough cuts on the DL, by far most talented part of the team. I would like to see the team trade a fringe roster player to strengthen another position. I've floated the idea of trading Covington for Amendola but really any veteran that can help the team out fits!
 
Really excited that Heath is back! There will be tough cuts on the DL, by far most talented part of the team. I would like to see the team trade a fringe roster player to strengthen another position. I've floated the idea of trading Covington for Amendola but really any veteran that can help the team out fits!
Covington has moved from NT, playing at 325 lbs, to DE, with his weight down to 300. He's currently penciled in as the starter.
 
Covington has moved from NT, playing at 325 lbs, to DE, with his weight down to 300. He's currently penciled in as the starter.

I just don't buy that. We know Clowney will be on the DL plenty and last season it appeared that Heath had moved past Covington. But at any rate Covington was just one of many names that I think holds some trade value for a team desperately in need of depth on the DL... like the Pats!
 
The Chron had a major feature today, on Covington. This was a good opportunity to comment on his change in position.
 

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Official: QB Chad Henne will start for the Jaguars against the Panthers tomorrow. Blake Bortles backs him up.

3:55 PM - 23 Aug 2017

This should pretty well seal the week 1 starting QB debate....................we're going to face Henne.

Henne entered the NFL in 2008. He played the Texans every year to the present except for 2010. His lifetime record against the Texans 15-2, his only 2 wins against the Texans being in 2013.

I like those odds.:texflag:
 
No. Why would you make a division rival better? You close to never trade within your division.

Paging Charlie Casserly. Paging Charlie Casserly. How did that Babin trade work out for you?

I wouldn't worry about playing Tom Savage twice a year, or competing against him for the division.
 



This should pretty well seal the week 1 starting QB debate....................we're going to face Henne.

Henne entered the NFL in 2008. He played the Texans every year to the present except for 2010. His lifetime record against the Texans 15-2, his only 2 wins against the Texans being in 2013.

I like those odds.:texflag:

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This should pretty well seal the week 1 starting QB debate....................we're going to face Henne.

Henne entered the NFL in 2008. He played the Texans every year to the present except for 2010. His lifetime record against the Texans 15-2, his only 2 wins against the Texans being in 2013.

I like those odds.:texflag:


Uhhh wouldn't that be 2-15 against the Texans?
 
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So... if the Colts were to offer a 3rd for Tom Savage, would you take it?
Hell, no!!
First, you don't help out a division rival if you can help it. And you can help it.
Second, he's a starting NFL QB. You don't take less than a first for him. Hell, more than that. We gave up two 2nds for Schaub, I'd want at least that for Savage.
Third, your theory that we know him cuts two ways. He's been here three years, he knows us too.

So, no. I wouldn't trade Savage at all; much less inside the division.
 
Saw that Jalen Strong is going to be suspended w/o pay for the Jaguars game for violation of the NFL substance abuse policy.

LINK
 
Savage wouldn't get traded this year anyways but he could sign with any team he wants next season. If O'Brien is relieved and lands with another team, it's probably a no-brainer that O'Brien's new team signs him right away. If O'Brien stays on or is relieved with no new HC gig in the future, then I really wouldn't be surprised to see the Jaguars make an effort to sign him.

The Jaguars have gone about building quite a team both defensively and offensively....except for QB. I've got a feeling Henne and Bortles will be flip-flopping all season.
 
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Everyone stay safe out there this weekend. Enjoy talking football and arguing with y'all so be smart, stay supplied and hunker down or get the hell out of Dodge if your area is flood prone. Harvey looks pissed off.

Born in Houston but do not currently reside there. Prayers, good vibes, and positive energy to everyone down there. Please be safe, prepare for the worst, and believe for the best.
 
Who the hell trades their starting QB for a third round draft pick? When have you ever seen that before? This isn't fantasy land...

TK.

I sometime suspect that TK does indeed live in fantasy land.

That or else he lives too close to the PA chemical plants. :) Worse than sniffing glue.

Keep that umbrella and pirogue close TK. :D You and your family stay safe.

:coffee:
 
Hell, no!!
First, you don't help out a division rival if you can help it. And you can help it.
Second, he's a starting NFL QB. You don't take less than a first for him. Hell, more than that. We gave up two 2nds for Schaub, I'd want at least that for Savage.
Third, your theory that we know him cuts two ways. He's been here three years, he knows us too.

So, no. I wouldn't trade Savage at all; much less inside the division.

^^^^
This

I just dont get why some fans want to get rid of Savage so badly that they would trade him in the division. Watson's time will come soon enough no need to trade Savage.
 

Because we don't have a 1st or 2nd next year & I don't think the team has the faith in Savage he'll need to succeed.

This year? No way. That would mean we would have to start either Weeden, Watson or FA... I don't want to blow this year off by trusting one of those guys to do anything at this point. Ask me again after the season

I'm all for starting Watson. I think he can handle himself fine, where he isn't going to get sacked a thousand times, never beat a blitz & only have negative experiences to build on. I'd feel better if we had Arians, Ried, McCoy, Haley, even Norv Turner to run our offense, but we'll see what Bill's got.
 
Todman after being drafted by the San Diego Chargers in the sixth round of the 2011 NFL draft, Todman went on to play for the Vikings, Jaguars, Panthers, Steelers , the Colts and most recently the Jet who signed him. He's been used mostly as a reserve running back and has been pretty good on STs, especially in the return game. Besides this info, I found this report by Patrick Starr:
Todman was selected in the 6th round of the 2011 NFL Draft by the San Diego Chargers out of Connecticut. Todman has rushed for 2,262 yards in his NFL career with 6 total touchdowns and he is also known for his return ability averaging 26.6 yard a return for his career. In 2016, Todman averaged 29.9 yards a return for the Indianapolis Colts with 11 returns over 20 yards and 99 yard kickoff return that landed him special teams player of the week honors.

Todman has appeared in 60 NFL games for his career and the Texans mark his 7th NFL teams since arrive to the league. This preseason Todman has rushed 9 times for 21 yards and has also caught one pass in two games for the Jets.

To add to this, he's averaged ~6 yds/carry in the past 3 years with 45 carries.
 
"returners can't return" truer words have never been typed. Tyler Ervin the venerable Doctor is talking to you.
 
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