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2017 Houston Texans Official OTA's, Minicamp, and Training Camp Thread

You need to know that I'd rather not have anything to do with you.
I had my reservation since last year, and I had communicated with you so.
Please go on with your life,

Couldn't give a sh*t what you'd have to do with me personally. Don't really pay any worthwhile attention to much of what you babble on and on and on and on about by and large. In this instance just want folks around here to have the stones to identify people they try and talk about instead being lame and ambiguous. Thought maybe you'd do so. Shame on me.
 
Couldn't give a sh*t what you'd have to do with me personally. Don't really pay any worthwhile attention to much of what you babble on and on and on and on about by and large. In this instance just want folks around here to have the stones to identify people they try and talk about instead being lame and ambiguous. Thought maybe you'd do so. Shame on me.
Ok
Have a good life
 
Well that escalated quickly.

Nothing much escalated. He doesn't want to own up to who he's babbling on about and he frankly doesn't have to. I think it's good for a forum to speak directly when making points referring to other posters. He doesn't have to agree or give the first rip about what I think. So it goes..

Unless you'd like to further attempt to dramatize things?
 
Yes. I think his skill set matches well with safety. I've suspected he would see more snaps there because we are less talented at safety than we are at cb.

I think Kareem could easily be the best safety we have back there.
Kareem is a solid corner but there are still stretches where he doesn't get his head around. Keeping the O in front of him as a safety probably helps.

I agree with Doc that it's a luxury with less depth at DB but for certain packages I think it's a great move. Very surprised they're playing him at SS instead of FS. He's not exactly slow...maybe Hal is showing something in camp and they want KJacks tackling ability nearer the LOS.

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Kareem is a solid corner but there are still stretches where he doesn't get his head around. Keeping the O in front of him as a safety probably helps.

I agree with Doc that it's a luxury with less depth at DB but for certain packages I think it's a great move. Very surprised they're playing him at SS instead of FS. He's not exactly slow...maybe Hal is showing something in camp and they want KJacks tackling ability nearer the LOS.

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I don't think it's a luxury.

I think Kareem to safety is a good thing because I think he fits better there. Also, kjo seems to have taken a hold of the second corner position anyways so if Kareem is at safety that means he'll always be in the game. And he can slide down to corner st any given time if need be. The safety position is kind of shaky so if Kareem can stabilize the group it makes the defense better and more versatile.

You're not losing anything by moving him to safety if he's still bumping down as the third corner. Then you just bring in your third safety to take his place.
 
Nothing much escalated. He doesn't want to own up to who he's babbling on about and he frankly doesn't have to. I think it's good for a forum to speak directly when making points referring to other posters. He doesn't have to agree or give the first rip about what I think. So it goes..

Unless you'd like to further attempt to dramatize things?
Lol.


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I don't think it's a luxury.

I think Kareem to safety is a good thing because I think he fits better there. Also, kjo seems to have taken a hold of the second corner position anyways so if Kareem is at safety that means he'll always be in the game. And he can slide down to corner st any given time if need be. The safety position is kind of shaky so if Kareem can stabilize the group it makes the defense better and more versatile.

You're not losing anything by moving him to safety if he's still bumping down as the third corner. Then you just bring in your third safety to take his place.
In the the Pats game, if this was a preview, he was not played up close............in fact, he was played as a lone high safety..........very high..............:kitten:
 
I don't think it's a luxury.

I think Kareem to safety is a good thing because I think he fits better there. Also, kjo seems to have taken a hold of the second corner position anyways so if Kareem is at safety that means he'll always be in the game. And he can slide down to corner st any given time if need be. The safety position is kind of shaky so if Kareem can stabilize the group it makes the defense better and more versatile.

You're not losing anything by moving him to safety if he's still bumping down as the third corner. Then you just bring in your third safety to take his place.

He's having a hard enough time staying healthy at corner. I can't see him at safety.... even FS for 16 games.
 
Texans giving Kareem Jackson practice time at safety
John McClain | August 14, 2017


WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W.Va. – Veteran cornerback Kareem Jackson has been getting some practice time at safety, something he did last season, too.

Coach Bill O'Brien was asked about the traits Jackson has that allow him to go back and forth between corner and safety.


"Smart, good tackler," he said. "He has that skillset where he can cover backs (and), he can cover slots. He's just a guy that because of his intelligence and his knowledge of our defense, he's a very versatile guy. Very valuable guy in our defense."

Jackson is willing to play either position.


"I'm doing whatever it takes for us to be successful as a defense and as a team," he said. "It's all about making the team better. I'm definitely willing to do it.

"It's a different challenge mentally. At safety, it's about what's in front of you and seeing the formations. It's exciting to have everything in front of you. You can see what the quarterback's doing. You see everything."
 
Texans giving Kareem Jackson practice time at safety
John McClain | August 14, 2017


WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W.Va. – Veteran cornerback Kareem Jackson has been getting some practice time at safety, something he did last season, too.

Coach Bill O'Brien was asked about the traits Jackson has that allow him to go back and forth between corner and safety.


"Smart, good tackler," he said. "He has that skillset where he can cover backs (and), he can cover slots. He's just a guy that because of his intelligence and his knowledge of our defense, he's a very versatile guy. Very valuable guy in our defense."

Jackson is willing to play either position.


"I'm doing whatever it takes for us to be successful as a defense and as a team," he said. "It's all about making the team better. I'm definitely willing to do it.

"It's a different challenge mentally. At safety, it's about what's in front of you and seeing the formations. It's exciting to have everything in front of you. You can see what the quarterback's doing. You see everything."
They will continue to use him like last year, it looks like. That is depending on the opponents and the health situation of the DB corp.
 
The "Henchman of Death" fine-tuning his scythe.

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Eli Ankou Refining His Game to Make His Mark with the Texans
Eli Ankou working on his technique to find his way with the Houston Texans.
...............................................Ankou has been depending on defensive line coach Anthony Weaver and fellow defensive linemen to learn the ways of being a technician on the field. Working during and after practices, Ankou is putting in the extra time to be at his best when the cameras are filming. Ankou has noticed his game becoming more finely tuned due to the guidance of Weaver.

“My technique has improved. The coaches have been doing a really good about that, teaching us and keeping us in line as far as our technique goes,” Ankou said of his work on the field. “Especially learning the game. Little bits and pieces of information. I think I have been learning a lot of that, too.”

Ankou continued, “My technique and my fundamentals is something we have been attacking making sure I am keeping it in line.”

His preseason was off to a solid start. He had two tackles from the middle of the defense and more importantl,y showed he can be a defensive lineman who is not afraid to rally to the football. There is still learning going on but he is ready for more heading to his second preseason game.


“The speed is a little bit faster; it's just matter of adjusting to everything that is going on, communication wise,” Ankou explained. “It has been a real challenge and I love it.”


 
Bob McNair has visions of Dak Prescott dancing in his head. Deshaun Watson will start sooner rather than later.

Brilliant Professor!

He will start because he's the best QB on the team by far with the most upside. You go with the racehorse.

Secondly, it won't matter, Savage will get hurt.
 
This should be the week that Savage distances himself from his backup. Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and the Super Bowl LI champions are in town. A real team with a real agenda that eats in-transition rookies alive, even during camp.

If O'Brien is still praising Watson on Saturday night and Savage is balancing slow and wobbly three-and-outs with one good drive?

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...n-provides-11818980.php&cmpid=twitter-premium

Great article. These paragraphs sum up my thoughts as well.
 

This is my favorite part:

O'Brien discussing Watson on Friday: "He's got a great demeanor. He's got a great way about him."

Saturday: "Seems to get better every day, get better at something every day."

Monday: "He's improving in his knowledge of our system. He's improving in understanding the defensive looks."
 
This is my favorite part:

"He's improving in his knowledge of our system. He's improving in understanding the defensive looks."

He's only seen a real NFL defensive looks during Texans practices and 1 pre-season game...which means, he primarily faces 2nd and 3rd string defenders who like him are learning their defensive jobs. This does not represent what he will face when an opposing starting defensive unit executes a game plan designed to shut him down. This is where reality rears its ugly head since he does not possess a complete knowledge of the playbook and will force O'Brien to usher in another season of streamlining his offense to make Watson's start easier for him to process. Now, this will be nothing new to opposing first team defenses since they will be prepared for this and will enjoy challenging him to figure out disguised coverages that could give him fits and require several games to learn the next facet of this game...nothing against Watson but a possible reality.
 
Bill Belichick explains why it’s not a big deal to hold joint practices with week 3 opponent Texans
The Patriots aren’t worried about revealing their hand.
by Rich Hill@PP_Rich_Hill Aug 15, 2017, 5:00am EDT


The New England Patriots are holding two days of joint practice with the Houston Texans before the two teams play in the second week of the preseason. Joint practices are a great time for teams to work out specific techniques against a new roster of players and to refine the individual performance.

But this week of joint practice should have a different meaning since the Patriots and Texans are playing in week 3 of the regular season. That upcoming match-up (in a little over a month!) raises questions to how and what the Patriots hope to accomplish in a joint practice.

Won’t those two days just reveal unnecessary hidden secrets to the Texans? Head coach Bill Belichick disagrees.

“Honestly, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal,” Belichick said on Monday. “I mean, I think this is another event that’s hyped up by a lot more of the people who are watching it than the people who are involved with it. So, I mean, look, we played this team three times in the last two years. Half their coaching staff coached here. It’s not a big secret how we run a certain play or how we coach a certain defense, and I’m sure they’re coaching it the same way when we played against them.”

Belichick has a great point. The two teams faced each other twice in 2016, including once in January. There is no opposing coaching staff in the NFL that knows the Patriots better than Texans head coach and former Patriots offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien, Texans assistant head coach and former Patriots defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel, Texans defensive coordinator and former Patriots linebacker Mike Vrabel, Texans special teams coordinator and former Patriots special teams ace Larry Izzo, and Texans offensive coaching assistant and former Patriots wide receiver Wes Welker. THE REST OF THE STORY
 
"He's improving in his knowledge of our system. He's improving in understanding the defensive looks."

He's only seen a real NFL defensive looks during Texans practices and 1 pre-season game...which means, he primarily faces 2nd and 3rd string defenders who like him are learning their defensive jobs. This does not represent what he will face when an opposing starting defensive unit executes a game plan designed to shut him down. This is where reality rears its ugly head since he does not possess a complete knowledge of the playbook and will force O'Brien to usher in another season of streamlining his offense to make Watson's start easier for him to process. Now, this will be nothing new to opposing first team defenses since they will be prepared for this and will enjoy challenging him to figure out disguised coverages that could give him fits and require several games to learn the next facet of this game...nothing against Watson but a possible reality.

Didn't that happen to Kaepernick? Teams figured him out and shut him down? Not saying he is the next Kaepernick.
 
Bill Belichick raves about former members of Patriots now with Texans
Ryan Hannable
August 15, 2017 - 10:51 am

...........................................Speaking to reporters prior to Tuesday's practice, Belichick had nothing but good things to say about the members of the Texans who used to be with the Patriots.

On O'Brien: "He's done a great job. [He] won the division the past two years, had a playoff win last year. The program has gotten stronger every year. I’m sure they’re continuing to head up. We have a lot of respect for Bill and his coaching staff, this football team, the program he runs – a tremendous amount of respect."

On Crennell: "[He's] a great friend. We go all the way back to about 35 years with Romeo, several different organizations. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Romeo as a person, a coach, a leader. [He's] really a great friend, a great coach. He did a lot for my coaching career. I'm glad I had the opportunity to coach with him as much as I did. He helped me a lot."

On Vrabel: "Yeah, I have a ton of respect for Mike and this entire coaching staff. Obviously, I have a lot of connections with people on this staff. Mike was a tremendous player. He was a very smart player, astute, played all the positions – special teams, defense, used him on offense. He really works at the game. He’s a grinder, tough, hard-nosed, good football coach, good football player, probably an underrated player, a great player. He's done a great job in his role at Ohio State and then down here. He's working with a lot of great people like Romeo [Crennel] and Billy [O'Brien]."

On Welker and Izzo: "No, I think all of those guys – Wes, Larry [Izzo], Mike [Vrabel] – they're all players that I’ve had that were as hard of working players as I’ve coached that loved the game, that were grinders, that had that coaching mentality, which was be early, stay late, put in a lot of extra time, do your dirty work and they’ve all started at the bottom and worked their way up. I think Bill has got an outstanding staff and I know those guys personally and have a ton of respect for them."
 
✔@PhilAPerry
Looked like a tough day for the Patriots OL. As good a test as they'll see with Watt, Mercilus leading the charge. Clowney not practicing


✔@KevinRDuffy
Overall, Texans D-Line gave Patriots problems today. Mercilus and Watt would have had several sacks. Most impressive position group of day


✔@MikeGiardi
Pass protection has been an issue for the Pats today vs Texans front 7. Lot of would-be sacks and dead plays

Pats beat writers.

No Clowney, no Problem. This front seven is going to be beastly.
 
Brilliant Professor!

He will start because he's the best QB on the team by far with the most upside. You go with the racehorse.

Secondly, it won't matter, Savage will get hurt.
But then Watson takes off running, gets hammered and is out for the season. Weeden becomes last man up.
 
I don't think it's a luxury.

I think Kareem to safety is a good thing because I think he fits better there. Also, kjo seems to have taken a hold of the second corner position anyways so if Kareem is at safety that means he'll always be in the game. And he can slide down to corner st any given time if need be. The safety position is kind of shaky so if Kareem can stabilize the group it makes the defense better and more versatile.

You're not losing anything by moving him to safety if he's still bumping down as the third corner. Then you just bring in your third safety to take his place.

Or he could fall back to a safety spot from the slot. He did that quite a bit in the playoffs.
 
But then Watson takes off running, gets hammered and is out for the season. Weeden becomes last man up.

Yep.

Give the man reps, you can't be scared to go with your best because he may get hurt.

I'm not in the camp of someone playing behind to learn, you get in there and learn.

Learn from Vick, from RGIII, he's not going to learn it on the bench, he's only going to learn by getting used to the game.
 
It sort of strikes me funny that in past years fans in Houston were able to attend on average ~7 open practices during TC. This year, 15 will have been open...........at The Greenbrier............and only 2 for the loyal fans in Houston...............
 
I have read that Watson had a good practice today, but haven't read anything about Savage - even saying that he had a bad day.
 
I haven't read a whole lot on either quarterback today. The reporting has been terrible this season at training camp.
 
It sort of strikes me funny that in past years fans in Houston were able to attend on average ~7 open practices during TC. This year, 15 will have been open...........at The Greenbrier............and only 2 for the loyal fans in Houston...............

If it leads to fewer injuries and a fresher team, I'm all for it. The generally positive response from the team and reporters means they might be practicing at The Greenbriar on a regular basis.

I've been in Austin for about 10 years now and haven't attended an open practice in 5 years, so my view is probably skewed.
 
If it leads to fewer injuries and a fresher team, I'm all for it. The generally positive response from the team and reporters means they might be practicing at The Greenbriar on a regular basis.

I've been in Austin for about 10 years now and haven't attended an open practice in 5 years, so my view is probably skewed.

I live in Houston and I'd reeeeaaaalllly have to be in the mood to go to an open practice. Especially a morning practice. It's always been hot. But hot and super crowded just don't mix well for me.

I don't know if it's feasible, but it'd be nice if the Texans added more seating out there and preferably covered.

I don't mind standing, but I'm not too fond of standing when 100's of other people are standing shoulder to shoulder with me.
 
My comment on the number of open practices were based on the reason in the past given to why we don't have more open practices............and the answer has been that it would be too disruptive . Evidently, in VA 15 open practices are not too disruptive.
 
My comment on the number of open practices were based on the reason in the past given to why we don't have more open practices............and the answer has been that it would be too disruptive . Evidently, in VA 15 open practices are not too disruptive.

Maybe because less people attend those? Not sure. I plan on going next year if they attend WV again
 
Some thoughts:

CB Kareem Jackson position depends on how Robert Nelson, Decoud and Denzel Rice do. Nelson showed some skills end of 2016 season and while he muffed some vs Panthers, he looked good on others. He is still a candidate for final roster.
Treston Decoud has had good press so far and could possibly start at a DBack position. Also, he seems better suited for safety although he keeps impressing at corner. 6'2 206 arms 33" 2016 stats: 58 tackles, 2 INTs and 10 passes broken up. He is 24 but in his case that might be an advantage. Not a "mirror" defender but a good bump and run which KJ turned out not to be when he was drafted. Even if he cannot move KJ to safety, he can allow Vrabel to keep KJ at corner as Decoud starts at safety.

Denzel Rice is also 24 and has had some good plays; is in his 2nd year with Houston after first with Philly. Chip Kelly "he just keeps showing up". This year can vest him with NFL Pension which is a good carrot. I have him as dark horse to make team.

Why would Pats practice with Houston and then play game 3? Someone famous said 'you can know I am going to hit you and you can know where I'm going to hit you but you cannot stop me from hitting you." I know Billy Jack said it when he kicked a guy.
 
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It sort of strikes me funny that in past years fans in Houston were able to attend on average ~7 open practices during TC. This year, 15 will have been open...........at The Greenbrier............and only 2 for the loyal fans in Houston...............
It's too damn hot to attend those practices here in Houston. Many times when I went to practices in past years I wished the ownership would have put some stands up to give us some shelter from that incredible sun.
Anyway I toyed with the idea of going to WV for a few days, but there were scheduling issues, but maybe next year if they are there a second year.
 
Training camp observations from the Patriots' perspective:

http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/08/15/blogservations-joint-fun-west-virginia

--The skill players and linemen from both teams broke up into four segments of the field for 1-on-1 work early in practice. Trying to keep track of it all, the offensive skill players seemed to get the better of the battles on both fields. That included Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, Rob Gronkowski and James White opening with four-straight completions.

--Chris Hogan was particularly impressive in the drill, destroying rookie cornerback Treston Decoud (apparently Decoud not!) and then got deep on Jonathan Joseph. Later Hogan jumped back for a throw, going over the defender to make yet another body-control catch as he’s done so often this summer.

They really like UDFA LB Avery Williams

--A new drill for special teams work may have been the most heated segments of the practice. The drill entailed one coverage player and one blocker in a situation similar to punt/punt return work. On the whistle they engaged at the line with the coverage guy trying to get down the field to a large dummy returner that was 25 yards away. The Patriots worked as the blockers in the first session of the drill. Brandon Bolden got toasted by rookie Texans linebacker Avery Williams. Bolden wasn’t the only guy to struggle, though, as Geneo Grissomand Jordan Richards saw guys blow right by them. On the positive side, Derek Rivers did a nice job engaging and redirecting the coverage player in his reps.

--When the two sides reversed roles in the special teams drill, the Patriots got off to a terrible start again, this time as the coverage players. Nate Ebner was knocked to the ground and man-handled by Williams, who wouldn’t let the proven, veteran special teamer even get back to his feet. Richards also got owned by Brennan Scarlett, another linebacker. Freeny and Dayon Pratt, who was impressive in both sides of the drill, had a battle all the way down the field that ended with the Patriots linebacker throwing a little elbow toward his Houston counterpart. Rivers also impressed in the coverage aspect of his drill. Langy had a couple nice reps as the coverage man, as did James Develin. The same can’t be said for rookie running back LeShun Daniels Jr. who got destroyed right at the line, essentially getting pancaked.

--Keep an eye on Williams as a core special teamer for the Texans as a rookie. And down the road as a guy Belichick might like based on the way he handled the special teams drills. These sessions are about improving your team, which can include scouting for future personnel moves!
 
John Harris' observations:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...practice/05dd40b1-393f-42dd-af91-bff96dca0a80

3. On the field, the overall thought among those in attendance was that the Texans defense was the true winner on the day. At one point, Brady was completely frustrated on the sideline, addressing his offensive mates in an aggressive counseling sort of way, if you will.

4. To that end, the Patriots edge protectors struggled with J.J. Watt and Whitney Mercilus for much of the day. I have “would’ve been a sack 59” written about four or five times in my book. It was much of the same for Watt as well. He had to avoid hitting Brady three or four times as he got free and clear.

Loving Nick Martin

12. I watched center Nick Martin in pass rush 1-on-1s and I’m not sure he moved side-to-side or backwards on any of his reps. The Patriots have had success with guys like Vince Wilfork (prior to his stint with the Texans), Alan Branch and others in past years against the Texans interior. But, Martin more than held his own on Tuesday.
 
A while ago on the radio I heard that Watson was getting a good amount of first team reps.

Someone pointed out that all of Watson's passes that were being mentioned were to and against backups and all of Savages was against the first team.

Then we also have the story of the OL coach sending the first team in with Watson at QB against the first team defense and OB saying no leave the back ups in.

Now we have this story coming out and pat saying all teams give 1st team reps to their back ups (which isn't true). On the other hand there's an ESPN article calling the rotation today a deviation from the norm.

Based on the report coming out and the fact that it was even a story and the head coach commented on it I'm guessing that there's something to it.

Matter of fact I expect Watson to get more 1st team reps and if he outshines Savage in game 2 I think he'll either outright start game three or Savage might see the first quarter and a half rather than the full 3 starters normally get in the third game.
From what I know....most teams have 1st team O vs 2nd team D. Then 1st team D vs 2nd team O.
They occasionally have some 1s vs 1s but that's not usually the norm.

If Watson is getting 1st team O reps he's probably not going against 1st team D.

He probably faced 1st team D more when he was strictly the 3rd/2nd QB.
 
From what I know....most teams have 1st team O vs 2nd team D. Then 1st team D vs 2nd team O.
They occasionally have some 1s vs 1s but that's not usually the norm.

If Watson is getting 1st team O reps he's probably not going against 1st team D.

He probably faced 1st team D more when he was strictly the 3rd/2nd QB.

I could be wrong but I see that set up during the season not really training camp. Your backups act as the other team and run their plays and your starters practice their plays. Training camp is best vs best.
 
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