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State of the O-line

There is no way we can judge our o line vs our defense. Our front 7 is by far the most talented in the league. They won't be able to win all those battles in camp. They will be tested in the pre season games.
 
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I like the reports I've been reading about Davenport.. I understand he's still a project, but I'm glad that the small-school product hasn't look as if he has no business being on the same field as NFL level talent.

Hopefully he will show enough to where he can rotate series in with whatever scrub RT we eventually name starter, and he can use this rookie season to actually learn on the job
 
amazing80 said:
There is no way we can judge our o line vs our defense. Our front 7 is by far the most talented in the league. They won't be able to win all those battles in camp. They will be tested in the pre season games.
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Going against our front 7 every day should be very very good for them
 
TheRealJoker said:
Nothing but positive things about Nick Martin out of camp thus far. Excited to see him in live game action. Inserting a shiny new 2nd round pick on the OL should make things interesting!
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Me too... and also a (hopefully) healthy Allen at guard
 
LT Duane Brown, LG Quessenberry or perhaps Manz or Martin with other at center, RG healthy Allen, RT...?
Or switch Allen to LG and Q to RG whatever is best.
 
badboy said:
Hey, I know..perhaps you could bring up again why we did not get La'el Collins but Dallas did two off seasons ago. That wasn't discussed much. sarcasm

Anyways off to my waterbed and 500,000 twenties....
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I hope you sleep like Scrooge McDuck :)

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Carr Bombed said:
Dude, you depress the **** out of me, seriously..do you not have one positive thing to ever say about the team?
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Ye what's his story ? I gather he's a Titans, or Colts fan or whatever and so why does he hang around here so much if that's the case ?
Everything he says is negative or pessimistic. Whatever his story is he's got nothing but disparaging remarks/comments about the Texans.
If it's all gloom & doom why even bother to hang out here ? Instead concentarate on getting a life somewhere else.
 
thunderkyss said:
30 of the 31 teams who participated as you say will not win the Super Bowl.
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Yep, but atleast they tried.

Fact is the Texans have NEVER been true contenders doing business the way they are currently doing business. Things need to change but they aren't going to change under the current regime.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, but atleast they tried.

Fact is the Texans have NEVER been true contenders doing business the way they are currently doing business. Things need to change but they aren't going to change under the current regime.
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Maybe this is the change.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, but atleast they tried.

Fact is the Texans have NEVER been true contenders doing business the way they are currently doing business. Things need to change but they aren't going to change under the current regime.
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In the first 15 years that the Texans have been in existence, the AFC has been represented by New England, Indy, Pittsburgh and Denver for 13 of 15 Super Bowls. Discounting Oakland in their expansion year, it is 13 of 14.

Kind of hard to accept the "Texans are a farce of an organization and the laughingstock of the NFL" attitude when there are 10 teams in the AFC alone who have been abject failures during the Texans' tenure, if we are using SB appearances as the measure of success.

And before you cut and paste your "You are apparently one of those fans who is happy with 9-7, 7-9 seasons", it doesn't matter the regular season record if you are only judged on getting to the Super Bowl. Just ask Peyton Manning. Or his brother.
 
Not too many years ago, I posted my preference was for free agents over draft picks as you usually have a few years of NFL play to evaluate but that has proven not to be best imo. We seem to not be able to evaluate injuries well for FA or draft picks but picks are much cheaper. The 2016 & 2017 draft and UDFAs could be crucial in allowing Texans to have much stronger & talented roster plus better control of salary cap. We seem to do very well annually with lower round picks and UDFAs. I was not impressed with many of available free agents this last off season.

Also the 5th year team option has been huge looking at Hopkins, Fuller, Chris Johnson, Clowney and hopefully Watson.
 
sandman said:
In the first 15 years that the Texans have been in existence, the AFC has been represented by New England, Indy, Pittsburgh and Denver for 13 of 15 Super Bowls. Discounting Oakland in their expansion year, it is 13 of 14.

Kind of hard to accept the "Texans are a farce of an organization and the laughingstock of the NFL" attitude when there are 10 teams in the AFC alone who have been abject failures during the Texans' tenure, if we are using SB appearances as the measure of success.

And before you cut and paste your "You are apparently one of those fans who is happy with 9-7, 7-9 seasons", it doesn't matter the regular season record if you are only judged on getting to the Super Bowl. Just ask Peyton Manning. Or his brother.
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9-7 it is.

I'm not really talking about winning a SB.

Tell me when have you felt like the Texans were true SB contenders entering the playoffs? Tell me when the Texans were ever a team to be feared?
 
steelbtexan said:
9-7 it is.

I'm not really talking about winning a SB.

Tell me when have you felt like the Texans were true SB contenders entering the playoffs? Tell me when the Texans were ever a team to be feared?
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I am, at least regarding SB appearances. That is the end game. Literally. Defines a successful season or a failed season. Pretty black and white and takes the subjectivity out of 9-7, "true" contenders, etc.

Your team doesn't make it? Failed. FO fail. Coaching fail. Player fail. Trainer fail. Waterboy fail.

Don't you think that is fair? We can just deal with facts.

Texans, how many SB have you gone to since your existence started in 2002? NONE
Packers, how many SB have you gone to since the Texans started in 2002? ONE with 14 FAILS
Ravens, how many SB have you gone to since the Texans started in 2002? ONE with 14 FAILS

That's pretty easy. What is that? A 7% success percentage for those model franchises?

Same success percentage as the Raiders, Buccaneers, 49ers, Bears, Rams. All model organizations, every one of them.
 
steelbtexan said:
9-7 it is.

I'm not really talking about winning a SB.

Tell me when have you felt like the Texans were true SB contenders entering the playoffs? Tell me when the Texans were ever a team to be feared?
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There was that moment in the 4th Qtr of last year's divisional round when Fuller almost caught that TD pass... I mean that TD wouldn't have won the game, but for a fraction of a moment, I believed.
 
Texans Training Camp Battle Odds — Right Tackle
August 3, 2017 10:55 AM

I’ve made it pretty clear that I think the three scariest starting spots on the Houston Texans (scary for Texan fans, that is) are outside linebacker (not named Whitney), starting safety (not named Andre), and right tackle. The big difference between the defensive spots and the right tackle spot is that there’s enough talent surrounding whoever starts at OLB and SS to cover for most of their deficiencies (in theory).

But right tackle is a whole other deal. That position is an island. Sure you can help out the guy over there with a tight end or maybe a running back is chipping guys on that side, but ultimately your right tackle needs to win one on one battles. ESPECIALLY IF YOU PLAN TO START A ROOKIE QUARTERBACK.

So the Texans, counterintuitively perhaps, did very little to address the tackle position this offseason, and as a result, I plan on drinking a lot this season. A LOT. Let’s take a look at the odds on who will be the starter at right tackle opposite Duane Brown, assuming he is still alive…

KENDALL LAMM (3rd season) .. +125

He seems to be the one about whom those inside the building say “Hey, the coaches REALLY LIKE THIS GUY” a lot. To which my response is “Then how in the blue hell was he behind Chris Clark last season? Did you watch Chris Clark? Chris Clark was not good at American football!!!” To which they say “Trust me.” And I’m a sucker for “trust me.”

CHRIS CLARK (8th season) .. +200

Hey, it’s Clark! Supposedly, he was banged up last season, but we didn’t find that out until after the season was over. So we can possibly expect the slightly below average Clark for this season, as opposed to the turnstile he was at right tackle last year.

JULIEN DAVENPORT (Rookie) .. +250

I guess Davenport’s first name has a French pronunciation to it… and I’m very skeptical of football players with French pronunciations to their names.

BRENO GIOCAMINI (10th season) .. +400

I kind of like Giacomini, if for no other reason than, if he tears a defensive player’s knee, we can make all sorts of Sopranos jokes.

FIELD .. +200

Who knows?

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I'm not big enough to play right tackle. But if anyone out there that is wants to try a "walk on," PM me and I'll fill out and submit your application to the Texans ASAP. But let me warn you...........be prepared to accept less than $1 million.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Pendergast

So the Texans, counterintuitively perhaps, did very little to address the tackle position this offseason…
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This article is just lazy to me.

If I were a reporter or analyst I'd try to give you something I've seen to support or dismiss that the Texans feel good about Lamm statement.

I'd give more than, "Clark was not good

I'd give you some meat to support my odds of Davenport or Giocamini earning the starting spot.

Instead we get something anyone here could have written with absolutely no insight to OTAs, Camp, or access to the coaches or players.
 
thunderkyss said:
This article is just lazy to me.

If I were a reporter or analyst I'd try to give you something I've seen to support or dismiss that the Texans feel good about Lamm statement.

I'd give more than, "Clark was not good

I'd give you some meat to support my odds of Davenport or Giocamini earning the starting spot.

Instead we get something anyone here could have written with absolutely no insight to OTAs, Camp, or access to the coaches or players.
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Definitely no meat. But unfortunately it parallels and reflects how little thought has also gone into the construction of the RT position by the FO.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Definitely no meat. But unfortunately it parallels and reflects how little thought has also gone into the construction of the RT position by the FO.
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Unless they feel really good about Lamm.

I think it parallels what's going on at the QB position. Three years later they start Savage, draft a QB. In this case they've been working on small school project Lamm, feel he's ready to start & they pick up another prospect.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, but atleast they tried.

Fact is the Texans have NEVER been true contenders doing business the way they are currently doing business. Things need to change but they aren't going to change under the current regime.
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So the Texans are not trying to win the Superbowl while teams like the Browns, Chargers, Jaguars, Titans, Rams, Saints, 49ers, Lions, Bills, and Jets are.

Wow
 
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If we are to believe the just released Texans' DC Lamm & Giocamini are the only players currently competing and therfor under consideration for the RT position.
 
It wouldn't bother me one bit if the Texans gave Mancz a crack at RT, if Lamm and Giacomini aren't delivering with their opportunity. Mancz has played some RT so the position wouldn't be completely foreign to him. Since RS didn't really address the RT situation via FA or the draft, they shouldn't hold back in giving every backup OL a shot at earning a starting job...maybe they'd get lucky.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
It wouldn't bother me one bit if the Texans gave Mancz a crack at RT, if Lamm and Giacomini aren't delivering with their opportunity. Mancz has played some RT so the position wouldn't be completely foreign to him. Since RS didn't really address the RT situation via FA or the draft, they shouldn't hold back in giving every backup OL a shot at earning a starting job...maybe they'd get lucky.
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Mancz wouldn't be expected to be a long term answer at the position, but he has always been the blue collar player who, through technique, gets the job done and performs above expectation. Last year at OC is a good example. His long term position with the Texans may be as a quality backup, but I too would like to see him tried at RT.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, but atleast they tried.

Fact is the Texans have NEVER been true contenders doing business the way they are currently doing business. Things need to change but they aren't going to change under the current regime.
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I have to disagree. They went out and got Johnathon Joseph. Big FA pick up still paying dividends. Went after Osweiler who flamed out. Swung and miss. Now they made a big trade in the draft to get Watson the possible QB of the future. We will see how this plays out.

You can't say they aren't trying. And they don't have a crystal ball. Hindsight is 20/20.
 
TexansBull said:
I have to disagree. They went out and got Johnathon Joseph. Big FA pick up still paying dividends. Went after Osweiler who flamed out. Swung and miss. Now they made a big trade in the draft to get Watson the possible QB of the future. We will see how this plays out.

You can't say they aren't trying. And they don't have a crystal ball. Hindsight is 20/20.
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My post isn't hindsight
 
The Texans have claimed offensive tackle Terry Poole off waivers from the Dolphins. He was placed on IR last preseason due to an undisclosed injury and has never elevated beyond the Seahawks practice squad. Last week he missed practice with the Dolphins giving little info. From what I could dig up, last year's IR was most likely due to a neck injury and this last injury was to his back. Although he was drafted in 2015 as an OT, the Seahawks appeared to consider him an OG prospect.
 
I don't agree that going against a good unit in practice makes you better. Look at those 2000's ravens offenses or even the Texans offense last year.

If you're not good you're just not good. Sure you can get better, facing a good player in practice everyday doesn't necessarily accelerate that process.

Practice speed and intensity isn't the same as game speed. Especially from guys who know they are on the team or guys who are proven.

And you get used to guys tendencies.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't agree that going against a good unit in practice makes you better. Look at those 2000's ravens offenses or even the Texans offense last year.

If you're not good you're just not good. Sure you can get better, facing a good player in practice everyday doesn't necessarily accelerate that process.

Practice speed and intensity isn't the same as game speed. Especially from guys who know they are on the team or guys who are proven.

And you get used to guys tendencies.
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The one thing those offenses had in common... bad QB play.
 
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