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2017 Houston Texans Official OTA's, Minicamp, and Training Camp Thread

Despite "decent" performance by Miller last year, it was evident that he demonstrated his own significant limitations. He did not show great vision........nor could he create things on his own.......nothing close to Dominick Williams and Arian Foster. And both Williams and Foster had the ability to avoid going down after the first and subsequent hits. Many plays last season I was left wondering what made Miller go down.
still..he had 1000 rushing 4.0 and 200 receiving 6.1 avg basically what he got at Miami. I think part if not most of problem was allowing him to think he could run between tackles. That area should belong to Foreman and Blue & the latter needs to stop running horizontal and hit the hole.
 
That statement is illogical at best. The best collegiate defense ever can't compare with a NFL defense considering the size and speed of players on top of coaching.

Watson performed well at the collegiate level, right now is he a raw rookie
right now he is a raw rookie that will be running an NFL offensive team. Our TEs, WRs and backs should bring him along nicely.
 
I'm disappointed but not surprised regarding D Brown. Right now, he's holding all the chips. This line goes from average or perhaps even better than average to total and complete crap without Brown and he knows it.

As far as L Miller, he's not a bruiser and never has been. The Texans completely misused him. He needs to operate in space and use his speed and agility. If you're expecting him to be Earl Campbell light - forget it. It amazes me that coaches as experienced as OB can't see how badly they used him last year. He's a quarter horse and they had him pulling an old plow in the field until he died. It's a freaking crime. I'm hoping with our new RB onboard that Miller is used appropriately.
Let's not forget Miller wanted Miami to use him more especially up middle and one of the reason he signed with Houston. I think OB was trying to keep his shiny high $ back happy.
 
I read somewhere earlier that it was Watson who threw the pick. Maybe on the 12 observations thing on Facebook (from the official site)


Stared down his receiver and got picked off. The very next play he threw a sweet pass off his back foot. Harris said it had some mustard on it as well.
 
Let's not forget Miller wanted Miami to use him more especially up middle and one of the reason he signed with Houston. I think OB was trying to keep his shiny high $ back happy.


He wanted more touches indeed. But I don't think he said specifically up the middle. Just wanted to be the main back carrying most of the load.
 
Let's not forget Miller wanted Miami to use him more especially up middle and one of the reason he signed with Houston. I think OB was trying to keep his shiny high $ back happy.


He wanted more touches indeed. But I don't think he said specifically up the middle. Just wanted to be the main back carrying most of the load.
 
The Chronicle has two good pieces on the quarterbacks in this mornings paper, under a common title: Likes What He Sees.

Mark Eisenhauser had a piece on Weeden, and I like what I read:

(Weeden) "...I mean, we all know the situation. I'm not stupid. I'm an old guy, been around the block a couple of times and I understand how everything works...my role on this team is to make our room better, however that is. Whether that's helping (Deshaun), helping Tom. It's not about me, it's more about helping us get better as a football team."

(O'Brien)"...I have a lot of respect for Weed. He's had a good spring."

(Weeden) Refering to his comment when he first arrived in Houston, when he said learning the Texans' offense was like reading Chinese backwards, "It's English now"

(Eisenhauer) Referring to last Tuesday and Wednesday, he observed, "Weeden displayed poise and patience in the pocket, dishing out completions with ease and rarely making a low-quality throw...".

Overall, Eisenhauer writes, the coaching staff came away from OTA's "believing the Texans aren't in as much trouble as many around the NFL believe they are in."
 
For the love of God, stop with Weeden. Baring injury he will never be the Texans starting QB. Wtf, he's like this to some of y'all:

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Ok he's cute.
 
Overall, Eisenhauer writes, the coaching staff came away from OTA's "believing the Texans aren't in as much trouble as many around the NFL believe they are in."

That's good I think?

They are in trouble but not as much as outsiders believe?
 
The Chronicle has two good pieces on the quarterbacks in this mornings paper, under a common title: Likes What He Sees.

Mark Eisenhauser had a piece on Weeden, and I like what I read:

(Weeden) "...I mean, we all know the situation. I'm not stupid. I'm an old guy, been around the block a couple of times and I understand how everything works...my role on this team is to make our room better, however that is. Whether that's helping (Deshaun), helping Tom. It's not about me, it's more about helping us get better as a football team."

(O'Brien)"...I have a lot of respect for Weed. He's had a good spring."

(Weeden) Refering to his comment when he first arrived in Houston, when he said learning the Texans' offense was like reading Chinese backwards, "It's English now"

(Eisenhauer) Referring to last Tuesday and Wednesday, he observed, "Weeden displayed poise and patience in the pocket, dishing out completions with ease and rarely making a low-quality throw...".

Overall, Eisenhauer writes, the coaching staff came away from OTA's "believing the Texans aren't in as much trouble as many around the NFL believe they are in."
Weeden has by all accounts, the best mechanics of any of the QBs..........good footwork, a strong arm with a remarkably smooth and accurate delivery short and deep. The problem with Weeden historically is that he plays "scared" and folds under rush pressure with an associated break down of his mechanics.

[BTW, I posted the Chinese quote in another thread before seeing yours above]
 
Weeden has by all accounts, the best mechanics of any of the QBs..........good footwork, a strong arm with a remarkably smooth and accurate delivery short and deep. The problem with Weeden historically is that he plays "scared" and folds under rush pressure with an associated break down of his mechanics.

[BTW, I posted the Chinese quote in another thread before seeing yours above]
As best as I remember, you are the only poster who has any relevant facts as to Weeden's deficiency. It's appreciated.

Seems to me the solution is to keep the pressure off him, for one, and second, a better understanding of the offense, and three, better chemistry with his receivers.

But his role with the Texans seems to be as the veteran backup and he seems to be comfortable in that role.
 
The Chronicle has two good pieces on the quarterbacks in this mornings paper, under a common title: Likes What He Sees.

Mark Eisenhauser had a piece on Weeden, and I like what I read:

(Weeden) "...I mean, we all know the situation. I'm not stupid. I'm an old guy, been around the block a couple of times and I understand how everything works...my role on this team is to make our room better, however that is. Whether that's helping (Deshaun), helping Tom. It's not about me, it's more about helping us get better as a football team."

(O'Brien)"...I have a lot of respect for Weed. He's had a good spring."

(Weeden) Refering to his comment when he first arrived in Houston, when he said learning the Texans' offense was like reading Chinese backwards, "It's English now"

(Eisenhauer) Referring to last Tuesday and Wednesday, he observed, "Weeden displayed poise and patience in the pocket, dishing out completions with ease and rarely making a low-quality throw...".

Overall, Eisenhauer writes, the coaching staff came away from OTA's "believing the Texans aren't in as much trouble as many around the NFL believe they are in."
Same thing happened last year.
Lots of people believed the Texans QB situation was worse than the Texans organization thought.
 
The Chronicle has two good pieces on the quarterbacks in this mornings paper, under a common title: Likes What He Sees.

Mark Eisenhauser had a piece on Weeden, and I like what I read:

(Weeden) "...I mean, we all know the situation. I'm not stupid. I'm an old guy, been around the block a couple of times and I understand how everything works...my role on this team is to make our room better, however that is. Whether that's helping (Deshaun), helping Tom. It's not about me, it's more about helping us get better as a football team."

(O'Brien)"...I have a lot of respect for Weed. He's had a good spring."

(Weeden) Refering to his comment when he first arrived in Houston, when he said learning the Texans' offense was like reading Chinese backwards, "It's English now"

(Eisenhauer) Referring to last Tuesday and Wednesday, he observed, "Weeden displayed poise and patience in the pocket, dishing out completions with ease and rarely making a low-quality throw...".

Overall, Eisenhauer writes, the coaching staff came away from OTA's "believing the Texans aren't in as much trouble as many around the NFL believe they are in."


On the cool I don't know why they won't actually let this man compete for the starting job. It's a stop gap year anyways.
 
On the cool I don't know why they won't actually let this man compete for the starting job. It's a stop gap year anyways.
OB in insistent that Savage is QB1 going into training camp; but has also emphasized that he has to earn the starting position every day. I think the situation is that while Weeden is solid in practice, Savage has also shined.
 
As best as I remember, you are the only poster who has any relevant facts as to Weeden's deficiency. It's appreciated.

Seems to me the solution is to keep the pressure off him, for one, and second, a better understanding of the offense, and three, better chemistry with his receivers.

But his role with the Texans seems to be as the veteran backup and he seems to be comfortable in that role.
well..yeah..that's the solution..but putting solution onto the field may be just a wee bit difficult I'm thinking...
 
As best as I remember, you are the only poster who has any relevant facts as to Weeden's deficiency. It's appreciated.

Seems to me the solution is to keep the pressure off him, for one, and second, a better understanding of the offense, and three, better chemistry with his receivers.

But his role with the Texans seems to be as the veteran backup and he seems to be comfortable in that role.
well..yeah..that's the solution..but putting solution onto the field may be just a wee bit difficult I'm thinking...
 
The 2016 Draft Class Will Have to Make Their Mark to Increase the Houston Texans Win Total


The 2016 draft class will need to take a step up in production to help the Houston Texans increase their win total.

For any team in the NFL to improve on the prior season, the difference is typically in house players taking the next step. The Houston Texans will be depending on the 2016 draft class to help push up their win total above the 9 victories they tallied as an organization. Many teams around the NFL look to free agency to help put them over the hump but more times than not, the team's improvement comes down to draft picks and how those players evolve from year to year.

The 2016 draft class was put together with the offense in mind and the Texans instantly inserted the rookies into prominent positions where they would get plenty of snaps. Will Fuller V, Braxton Miller, Nick Martin and Tyler Ervin all were put on the crash course of NFL life to help out get the ball into the end zone, but it was clear the inconsistencies from rookies learning the game were too much to overcome.

On the defensive side of the ball, D.J. Reader and K.J. Dillon both showed that they could be solid defensive rotational players, but the emergence of Reader changes the entire complexion of the draft class due to his late surge in production which put him at the head of the 2016 draft class.

Digging deeper on each player, we find plenty of reasons to be excited about what these players bring heading into the 2017 season.

Will Fuller burst onto the scene and looked like the game changer the team envisioned him during the first two games of the 2016 season: a deep threat who could flip the field for the offense and give DeAndre Hopkins a compliment on the other side of the offense. For the vast majority of young receivers, defensive backs make life tough in coverage and, as small injuries accumulated along the way, Fuller ended the season with 47 receptions for 635 yards and 2 touchdowns.

To make the jump, Fuller is going to need to improve his catch percentage and become a trustworthy receiver when the ball is headed his direction. Fuller showed on film that he has the knack for making defenders miss paired with an uncanny ability to eat up yards when he has the football in his hands. Strength and an increased knowledge of the offense is key for Fuller to progress in his second season. He will be a key part of the offense moving forward and will continue becoming more adept at taking the pressure off of Hopkins.

Nick Martin’s injury was a big one when it occurred prior to the start of the preseason but the Texans are still high on the center of the future. Questions will arise on how the team should shuffle their offensive line but one thing is for sure, those plans will start with Martin in the middle. He is an imposing presence and need a the Texans need true difference maker at the position, especially getting to the second level to cut off linebackers in the run game. The Texans drafted Martin to be their future at the center position and intend for him to be that guy during the 2017 season.

The Texans took a chance on Braxton Miller in the 3rd round of last year’s draft with the visions of him being a slot receiver much like Julian Edelman (also a converted quarterback) is for the New England Patriots. Miller’s chances were scarce in 2016 but looking back, he was able to make things happen when he got the football in his hands. Minus the injuries, how Miller read coverages from a receiver's perspective caused some issues for the offense, but that was to be expected, especially for a first year receiver. Miller will be depended on to be the slot receiver that this type of offense needs to succeed week to week. The slot receiver position is one of the more important in the style of offense that the Texans run and it will be up to Miller to make that jump.

Tyler Ervin was a head scratcher for many when he was selected in the 4th round of the draft last year but the Texans saw Ervin as a complete offensive threat. He is a player the team envisioned helping on special teams, running the ball, and receiving - and that is still the plan moving forward. His biggest issues came in returning kicks and punts due to the the different spins but he did have a punt return for a touchdown in the playoffs, however it was called back due to a running into the kicker penalty. Ervin will have a role on the team and could be one of the surprise offensive weapons of the upcoming season if he continues to push forward with his development.

If there is one thing that K.J. Dillon showed when he hit the field, it is that he would strike a ball carrier with purpose to impose his will. Dillon is coming back from an ACL injury but has the skill set not only to help on special teams, but possibly push for a role at safety. He has a solid skill set but getting healthy is his number one priority heading into training camp. With the safety position looking for depth and front line playmaker, Dillon will have a chance to make his mark when he gets on the field.

Starting off as a rotational player, the Texans found out what they had when they got D.J. Reader on the field for more and more snaps due to injuries on the defense. After putting together a good stretch of play, Reader allowed the Texans to feel comfortable moving forward with him as the anchor of the defense. He was able to show that he is more than a two down player, developing solid pass rush moves to help out on passing downs. A complete, 3-down, interior defensive player is tough to find and Reader has put himself in position for the Texans to depend on him to be part of long term plans of the unit.
 
If Texans go 10-6 or better, it doesn't matter where they train
Bring Texans back home unless West Virginia trip leads to playoffs
By Brian T. Smith
July 21, 2017 Updated: July 22, 2017 8:07pm


Local fans won't have a chance to greet defensive end J.J. Watt as he makes his way to the practice fields because the Texans are camping in West Virginia.

Maybe it says something about a big city that struggles to win championships. Either way, the start was always one of the best parts of Houston's year. Devoted fans wrapped in red and blue, lining up as the sun was rising, inching closer and closer to the front of the line. Music blaring from speakers. Cars streaming into packed parking lots. Curiosity and anticipation dominating the day. And then the shouting and screaming that didn't stop.

J.J. Watt bounced down the steps - scorching sun in the background, teammates in shadows trailing No. 99 - in a scene ready-made for NFL Films.

DeAndre Hopkins, Jadeveon Clowney or Brian Cushing followed, with each star taking their turn in the summer spotlight.

There was Bill O'Brien. There was Romeo Crennel.

Heck, there was Brock Osweiler, who for one brief moment in time absolutely looked the part.

We romanticize the heck out of baseball spring training, but the beginning is always distant and quiet. Players randomly show up far away in Florida, going through informal light workouts for days before anything remotely real happens.

NBA camp contains about an hour of excitement. Then we remember the preseason is meaningless and the only thing that matters is the playoffs, which are seven months away.

But the Texans and the start of training camp in this football-first city?

Big.

Electric.

Addicting.

And now it's gone away.

West Virginia??? In July??

A better question: Why?

Justifying the move

Here's what I've been told:

1) Because Houston's heat is so hot, the Texans become worn down at the end of every season.

Not true.

OK, yes, Houston is HOT. But since O'Brien took over in 2014, his team has gone a combined 9-3 in its last four games of each year. Two of those late surges set up back-to-back AFC South titles and pushed the Texans into the playoffs. And O'Brien's squad definitely wasn't exhausted at the end of 2016, when it destroyed Oakland in a wild-card win, then played the Patriots tight for three-plus quarters in New England.

2) Because Houston's heat is so saturated, the Texans start slow and spend the rest of the season catching up.

Also not true.

O'Brien's team began 3-1 during his rookie season and started the same last year, jumping out with 2-0 records each time. Yes, the Texans started 1-3 in 2015. But that was the year of the ridiculous Brian Hoyer vs. Ryan Mallett debate - even Houston's heat can't be blamed for that nonsense.

3) Because the Texans will spend a few weeks vacationing together at the supposedly lovely Greenbrier resort in White Sulphur Springs, W.Va., they'll grow even tighter as a team and their chemistry will improve.

I'm fine with that if it happens. But chemistry and culture haven't been a problem in the three years under O'Brien. All the key terms - sacrifice, selflessness, next man up - have been widely heard, while the Texans have incorporated key parts of Patriots-speak into their daily language: Do your job; on to next week.

So if the Texans have started and finished well (during the regular season) and chemistry hasn't been a problem, then why in the heck are they packing everything up, leaving us behind and temporarily moving to West freaking Virginia?

Control.

Ahh. Now that makes more sense.

This is the year of Tom Savage. This is the season where we could spend every week wondering how happy O'Brien really is. This is the time when 9-7 really isn't supposed to be the bar, but the rest of the AFC South appears to be creeping up and Tennessee is the smart pick to claim the crown.

This is Year Four of O'Brien - the season when it could all start to end or begin to flourish.

New Orleans is hotter and stickier than Houston - I've lived in both. The Saints spent the previous three years camping at The Greenbrier. They finished 7-9 every season and are proudly back home.

Questions to answer

One of O'Brien's main directives (and personal goals) when he took over for Gary Kubiak was to change the Texans. Tougher, meaner, stronger. More disciplined and intense.

They've shown it at times. They would have cracked in 2015 after starting 2-5 if they weren't united and didn't believe in their coach. They were a quarter away from potentially taking down Tom Brady and Bill Belichick in New England, fighting through it all while waiting for Osweiler to let them down again.

Can the new Texans find an offense in West Virginia? Can Savage start to win us over before it's already Deshaun Watson time? Can O'Brien, who's placed so much on his own shoulders, take the next step as a coach and become the elite leader he believes he can be?

That's what these Texans must discover at The Greenbrier.

If this ends up as 10-6 or better and a third consecutive season in the playoffs, McNair has every right to extend his team's camp vacation into 2018.

If we're picking up the pieces in late December, you deserve to spend next July with the Texans back on Kirby Drive, screaming at Watt like he's a superhero and hoping Hopkins signs your ball.

Average teams worry about everything.

Great teams can win anywhere.
 
Don't really get the uproar over where they train. Baseball teams train in Florida and Arizona and nobody cares. The Cowboys train in California. The Oilers used to train in San Angelo. Who cares where they have PRACTICE?
 
Texans Make Moves on the Eve of Training Camp
The Houston Texans have made roster moves to prepare for the start of training camp.


With training camp a day away from the Houston Texans, the team has made some roster moves to get ready for the start of camp.

The Texans have placed offensive tackle Duane Brown on the Reserve/Did Not Report List which is not a surprise after he did not make the flight to West Virginia. Brown is now holding out from camp due to him being unhappy with his current contract that has over $18 million in base salary the final two years. Brown was his deal to have some guaranteed money in it.

Rookie defensive end T.J. Daniel was placed on the Active/PUP list which will allow him to rehab the current injury he has. He will be counted against the roster count and can come off the PUP list at any time.

The Texans also placed rookie outside linebacker Dayon Pratt and second-year defensive end Joel Heath on the Active/ Non-Football Injury list. Both have injuries that were sustained during training heading to the season.
 
Texans Make Moves on the Eve of Training Camp
The Houston Texans have made roster moves to prepare for the start of training camp.


With training camp a day away from the Houston Texans, the team has made some roster moves to get ready for the start of camp.

The Texans have placed offensive tackle Duane Brown on the Reserve/Did Not Report List which is not a surprise after he did not make the flight to West Virginia. Brown is now holding out from camp due to him being unhappy with his current contract that has over $18 million in base salary the final two years. Brown was his deal to have some guaranteed money in it.

Rookie defensive end T.J. Daniel was placed on the Active/PUP list which will allow him to rehab the current injury he has. He will be counted against the roster count and can come off the PUP list at any time.

The Texans also placed rookie outside linebacker Dayon Pratt and second-year defensive end Joel Heath on the Active/ Non-Football Injury list. Both have injuries that were sustained during training heading to the season.

Do you know what injuries Pratt and Heath are dealing with Doc? Not happy to see Heath injured before training camp. I think he's in a battle with Covington for top reserve DL this season.
 
Texans Make Moves on the Eve of Training Camp
The Houston Texans have made roster moves to prepare for the start of training camp.
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This report on Brown is from about 5 or 6 hours ago. Everything else is from about 8 or 9 hours ago. I head the report on 740 at around 4PM. If they got an exclusive comment from Brown they certainly don't seem to be making it official just yet. Or I heard wrong.
 
What is the injury status of Kevin Johnson, JJ Watt, JDC? Heading into the start of camp? Is Quessenberry on the roster and a full go this offseason ( now that he seems to be through with his illness id love him to be able to make the team and if he can be back to the player he was im excited that he can improve our line.)
 
Brown knows from last season he can step on field and start as he did last year. However, he could also be pissing off coaches and players who want all giving 100%. He is costing Lamm time at right tackle which he should be focusing on not Brown's spot. He is a older player with health issues with 18 million waiting for him. I don't mind him trying a power play but Texans are correctly handling this. He needs to be on field sooner rather than later.
 
Like I mentioned in another thread, Savage and Hopkins are working well together. IMO, this is not just hype as another poster commented.
 
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