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What's your plan for QB next season?

And no one's expecting any early pick qb top come in and make the team a contender right off the bat anyway. He'll grow while this team is continually grown with him. Clowney, XSF (hopefully) Kevin Johnson, Benardrick McKinney, Jaelen Strong (hopefully), this year's remaining picks, next year's picks, and so on. All growing as a team together.

Drafting a qb early doesn't mean you're done team building. But without one your growth is indefinitely suspended.
 
maverick512000 said:
The question is who do the McNairs and to a lesser extent RS think was to blame. O'Brien or Osweiler, to me the fact they gave up a second to get rid of Osweiler says they mostly blamed him.
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They also fired George Godsey, they may have put a lot of the blame on him as well. & being that he's going into the Detroit coaching system as a defensive assistant, I'm betting the Lions don't think much of him as a coach either.
 
steelbtexan said:
Good team invest in the QB position

Green Bay Hundley

New England Jimmy G

Redskins Griffin/Cousins

Broncos Peyton/Os

Even if they miss atleast they invest although they already have a franchise QB.

Ricky = Neglect
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David Carr
Dave Ragone
Matt Schaub
Tj Yates
Matt Lienart
Ryan Mallett
Tom Savage
Brandon Weeden
Brock Osweiler


Maybe a little bargain bin investing, but a far cry from neglect
 
TexansSeminole said:
How could you have greater needs than QB when the team has been playing musical chairs with them over the past 4+ seasons? That doesn't make any sense to me.
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"You", as a fan, can play madden to your hearts content and, possibly, only what fits into your mold, or perspective, makes sense. But the Texans are not "you".

What happened in the distant past is of no consequece. Only what has happened the past three years under O'Brian's contract is significant.

O'Brian selected Savage year one, as a project, and we can speculate that there was no intent to start him for at least three years. OB knows what he wants from his QB and yes the team played musical chairs at the position when none of the QB's met his expectations, the first three years.

But now, going into year four, OB likes and is comfortable going into the season with Savage, the QB he picked over several other "fan" favorites. He has his starter and he has a veteran as his #2, who has a year in the system.

It makes perfect sense that OB doesn't feel that QB is as high a priority that you place on the position. We need a third QB, but O'Brien probably feels his highest priority is to fill that hole we have at RT.

So if you look at the situation from O'Brian's perspective, everything makes sense.
 
Number19 said:
"You", as a fan, can play madden to your hearts content and, possibly, only what fits into your mold, or perspective, makes sense. But the Texans are not "you".

What happened in the distant past is of no consequece. Only what has happened the past three years under O'Brian's contract is significant.

O'Brian selected Savage year one, as a project, and we can speculate that there was no intent to start him for at least three years. OB knows what he wants from his QB and yes the team played musical chairs at the position when none of the QB's met his expectations, the first three years.

But now, going into year four, OB likes and is comfortable going into the season with Savage, the QB he picked over several other "fan" favorites. He has his starter and he has a veteran as his #2, who has a year in the system.

It makes perfect sense that OB doesn't feel that QB is as high a priority that you place on the position. We need a third QB, but O'Brien probably feels his highest priority is to fill that hole we have at RT.

So if you look at the situation from O'Brian's perspective, everything makes sense.
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Everyone talks about trading for Jimmy G but we don't know that he's any better than Savage. Neither has played significant time and both have been injured. At least Savage has time in our system, with our players and staff.
 
Number19 said:
"You", as a fan, can play madden to your hearts content and, possibly, only what fits into your mold, or perspective, makes sense. But the Texans are not "you".

What happened in the distant past is of no consequece. Only what has happened the past three years under O'Brian's contract is significant.

O'Brian selected Savage year one, as a project, and we can speculate that there was no intent to start him for at least three years. OB knows what he wants from his QB and yes the team played musical chairs at the position when none of the QB's met his expectations, the first three years.

But now, going into year four, OB likes and is comfortable going into the season with Savage, the QB he picked over several other "fan" favorites. He has his starter and he has a veteran as his #2, who has a year in the system.

It makes perfect sense that OB doesn't feel that QB is as high a priority that you place on the position. We need a third QB, but O'Brien probably feels his highest priority is to fill that hole we have at RT.

So if you look at the situation from O'Brian's perspective, everything makes sense.
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And if it works out for him then great and great for the fans too but if his quarterback gamble doesn't work out and that's about what it would be (a big gamble) then he'll be lucky to make it thru the season without getting fired.
 
humblegeo said:
And if it works out for him then great and great for the fans too but if his quarterback gamble doesn't work out and that's about what it would be (a big gamble) then he'll be lucky to make it thru the season without getting fired.
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Precisely. Coaches understand this basic rule of the profession.
 
PapaL said:
Everyone talks about trading for Jimmy G but we don't know that he's any better than Savage. Neither has played significant time and both have been injured. At least Savage has time in our system, with our players and staff.
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We 'know' it as much as we know that any player we want to draft is better than any other. And I'd have taken Garroppolo over Savage every day of the week in '14, meanwhile what they've each shown in their small pro sample sizes since has only worked to strongly reinforce that position.
 
Without a decent o-line (which we don't have), no QB is going to be really that great. And without a good QB, it's the same old thing.

I suggest drafting a QB in rounds 1 & 2, then all the rest of the picks are o-lineman, and hope for the best.

Let the defense sort it out with what they have, because no defense, no matter how good it is, will do us any good without a QB and an o-line.

Ridiculous? We've already got ridiculous, so let's just go full fledged rediculoucity. Who knows, it might just keep some of us watching through the 4th quarter.
 
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The Bengals are reportedly seeking a first-round pick in exchange for QB A.J. McCarron, who has seen meaningful action in five career games.

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(FTR - IMNSHO, I think after the Brock Osweiler fiasco, the Texans are far to afraid to go near any deal such as this)
 
maverick512000 said:
Not when you are trying to build the entire team and have greater needs than QB. You're talking about drafting for depth which is what NE and Green Bay do because the rest of the team is mostly solid.

Texans have just now got to the point where they can start looking at depth. Not saying they draft on it yet but they can consider it. You seem to be if the mind set that if you don't draft a QB then you have neglected the position and frankly that's not true at all.

You may prefer to build from draft, and maybe that is best, but again that doesn't equal neglect. The only year I would say they should have gone for a QB was 14. In 15 they had Hoyer and Mallet and one blew up and the other couldn't work an alarm clock. In 16 they got Osweiler and.......yeah moving on.

The point is you can't say they haven't invested, they have invested just not through the draft. Ultimately the only difference on that is the size of the contracts, who's to say even if they had drafted a QB every draft the results would have been any better.
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Which is why they are where they are when it comes to the QB position. Let me tell you my plan, if mahomes isn't there in the 1st I draft somebody like Kaaya in the 3rd and see how Savage does net yr. If Savage proves not to be the man then you draft Rosen/Darnold/Stidham etc... to compete with Kaaya in 2018.

That's addressing the QB position. You can frame your argument however you like but Ricky hasn't addressed the QB position. More especially if you compare what he's done compared to the teams I listed above.

Yes other positions need to be addressed but until the QB position is addressed nothing else matters, because you don't have a chance to win a SB until you find your QB. They should've began looking for a QB the minute that Fat Albert broke Schaub's foot. (CND warned us he consequences of Schaub's injury.)

Instead Ricky extended Schaub against Kubiak's wishes (Sound familiar) and the QB position has been a mess ever since. Sad part is there have been QB's to be had in the draft/trade since then and Ricky whiffed big time/passed on all of them. Sad when you really think about how things really went down. Think about this, if Ricky had listened to Kubiak then the Texans would've had the $$$$ to sign Manning in FA and the fate of Kubiak and the Texans org would have had quite a different history.

The kicker is after a royal screw up like this Ricky still has his job. That tells me winning isn't the McNair's #1 priority.

I know your mind will not be changed, even if Ricky totally screwed up a draft and didn't sign a soul in FA. (Both of which he's done.)
 
DX-TEX said:
Because whoever is at QB will die if you dont get a starting RT
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You can find a starting RT outside of the 1st rd. Or there's this thing called trading up back into the 1st rd if you really want a RT that bad.

I'm sure you've heard of this draft maneuver.
 
DX-TEX said:
Well hindsight is 20/20
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Could've told you that at the time.

Mallett and Savage were the only ones with real franchise level QB ability and even that was Questionable. I mean at the time how many of those guys screamed franchise QB to you?
 
steelbtexan said:
Which is why they are where they are when it comes to the QB position. Let me tell you my plan, if mahomes isn't there in the 1st I draft somebody like Kaaya in the 3rd and see how Savage does net yr. If Savage proves not to be the man then you draft Rosen/Darnold/Stidham etc... to compete with Kaaya in 2018.

That's addressing the QB position. You can frame your argument however you like but Ricky hasn't addressed the QB position. More especially if you compare what he's done compared to the teams I listed above.

Yes other positions need to be addressed but until the QB position is addressed nothing else matters, because you don't have a chance to win a SB until you find your QB. They should've began looking for a QB the minute that Fat Albert broke Schaub's foot. (CND warned us he consequences of Schaub's injury.)

Instead Ricky extended Schaub against Kubiak's wishes (Sound familiar) and the QB position has been a mess ever since. Sad part is there have been QB's to be had in the draft/trade since then and Ricky whiffed big time/passed on all of them. Sad when you really think about how things really went down. Think about this, if Ricky had listened to Kubiak then the Texans would've had the $$$$ to sign Manning in FA and the fate of Kubiak and the Texans org would have had quite a different history.

The kicker is after a royal screw up like this Ricky still has his job. That tells me winning isn't the McNair's #1 priority.

I know your mind will not be changed, even if Ricky totally screwed up a draft and didn't sign a soul in FA. (Both of which he's done.)
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I actually liked this post & was going to give it a like, until you got to the McNair's #1 priority part.
 
thunderkyss said:
I actually liked this post & was going to give it a like, until you got to the McNair's #1 priority part.
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Ditto

I think winning his his #1 priority. Smith is not doing a good job in our (fans) opinion, but most football people say he's doing a fine job

Don't know why RS is so obtuse about the QB position
 
PapaL said:
Who have we realistically missed on since Schaub?
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Not many, but we never really tried to bring in a quality backup for Schaub either. Oh we brought guys in, but never quality. And we could have done more than we did since Schaub got injured. I agree that he never should have been extended and all avenues should have been explored trying to find the next one since 2011
 
JB said:
Not many, but we never really tried to bring in a quality backup for Schaub either. Oh we brought guys in, but never quality. And we could have done more than we did since Schaub got injured. I agree that he never should have been extended and all avenues should have been explored trying to find the next one since 2011
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2014 draft may show something this year but looking back, it's been slim pickings.
In another thread, http://www.texanstalk.com/posts/2707832/ , I listed out who was taken high and notable names in each draft since 2010, not much there even with hindsight.
 
PapaL said:
2014 draft may show something this year but looking back, it's been slim pickings.
In another thread, http://www.texanstalk.com/posts/2707832/ , I listed out who was taken high and notable names in each draft since 2010, not much there even with hindsight.
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Draft is not the only way to get a QB, tho it is the most likely. There has been options, including Manning (who I thought was done).
 
JB said:
Draft is not the only way to get a QB, tho it is the most likely. There has been options, including Manning (who I thought was done).
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Great answer but wouldn't we still be exactly where we are today? Denver, just like us, is looking for a long term solution at QB.
That defense caught lightning in a bottle and won that SB. Manning was old and injured by that time.
 
Idk if any of you agree with me but at the end of the day if Rick Smith wants to get rid of BOB I just want to see the Texans get mahomes, if its true that BOB loves him I want to see What he can do with him, I might be in the minority but i like BOB and What he's done in Houston and I feel bad for him for not having "the guy" at the QB position his time here, give him what he wants and if it doesn't work out Rick was going to fire him anyways, give him a chance to see What he can do putting his skills with QBs to the test.
 
PapaL said:
Great answer but wouldn't we still be exactly where we are today? Denver, just like us, is looking for a long term solution at QB.
That defense caught lightning in a bottle and won that SB. Manning was old and injured by that time.
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yes, but there has had to have been other options also. Did we explore any? Not sure what was there but had to have been some.
 
JB said:
Draft is not the only way to get a QB, tho it is the most likely. There has been options, including Manning (who I thought was done).
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People talk about us having Manning as though it would have put us in Denver's shoes in SB 50. It might have helped but there were so many other factors, who Denver played against vs who we played against, the receivers, the o-line, yes the defense, hell even the wether conditions and what says they played on.

Having Manning does not mean Denver won our SB it was just one factor that helped create a perfect storm for a title.

It's just as likely that Manning playing for us would have gotten sacked on the first snap and broke a hip or something.

Playing what if with the past is just as much guessing as predicting the future.
 
JR Texan said:
Idk if any of you agree with me but at the end of the day if Rick Smith wants to get rid of BOB I just want to see the Texans get mahomes, if its true that BOB loves him I want to see What he can do with him, I might be in the minority but i like BOB and What he's done in Houston and I feel bad for him for not having "the guy" at the QB position his time here, give him what he wants and if it doesn't work out Rick was going to fire him anyways, give him a chance to see What he can do putting his skills with QBs to the test.
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Again this works under the assumption that BoB hasn't gotten who he wants. We drafted Savage, we went and got Hoyer and Mallet, despite what some here say all reports are BoB was on board with Osweiler.

Just because they didn't work out doesn't mean BoB didn't get his guys.
 
Hervoyel said:
I don't think any of these QB's are worth making much effort to move up for. I'm just not all that excited about this class at all.

The QB we draft this year will be a project and our "3'' IMO and he'll sit like Savage did.
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If we take a guy in the first Rd I would not be surprised if he starts at some point if not immediately.

I'm not sure Savage is even better than Weeden tbh. Savage and Weeden have become the last guys standing by default, not because they went out and planned this.

This class may not be exciting, but our current qb's aren't exactly moving the needle either.
 
maverick512000 said:
People talk about us having Manning as though it would have put us in Denver's shoes in SB 50. It might have helped but there were so many other factors, who Denver played against vs who we played against, the receivers, the o-line, yes the defense, hell even the wether conditions and what says they played on.

Having Manning does not mean Denver won our SB it was just one factor that helped create a perfect storm for a title.

It's just as likely that Manning playing for us would have gotten sacked on the first snap and broke a hip or something.

Playing what if with the past is just as much guessing as predicting the future.
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Theres no guarantee that the Texans win the SB with Manning (No guarantee they don't either) but the absolute certainty is they'd have had a better shot with him than without him.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Theres no guarantee that the Texans win the SB with Manning (No guarantee they don't either) but the absolute certainty is they'd have had a better shot with him than without him.
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Yes... but at the time of his signing, he couldn't even grasp a football. With our medical staff, Manning may never have taken the field as a Texans.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If we take a guy in the first Rd I would not be surprised if he starts at some point if not immediately.

I'm not sure Savage is even better than Weeden tbh. Savage and Weeden have become the last guys standing by default, not because they went out and planned this.

This class may not be exciting, but our current qb's aren't exactly moving the needle either.
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I just want to see Savage (or Weeden, or somebody) get the exact same opportunity that Schaub got in 2013, Fitz got in 2014, and that Os got last season. I want to see one of them get the job, get the reps, have camp and preseason to knock our socks off or scare the crap out of us and then go out and either do it or not (and if the outcome is "not" then sure, next option up.) We talk about all the QB's we've been through since everything imploded in 2013 but if you think about it Schaub was an established starter, Keenum got the job on the run, Fitzpatrick was allowed to go into it as the starter but even he had Mallett breathing down his neck in no time at all and then by the end of the season it was more guys coming in and starting games with a handful of plays. 2015 it's Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer competing for the job and before a single game is up we're swapping them out. Season ends and it's back to guys being re-signed and hitting the ground running just trying to remember enough plays to finish games.

2016 Os got the chance to step in and be the man. He failed and by the time Savage is coming we're seeing one more QB that doesn't look all that great necessarily and who has no chemistry with the receivers.

I just want to see a guy come in and try to QB the team who has been prepared to do so and then hopefully succeed. If that's a rookie then so be it but I'm so tired of the QB-go-round and all the obviously fake QB "competitions" we have here. Pick a guy, roll with him like you did Os and then if you have to pull him because he's sucking hot garbage fine but I'm not going to judge the guy who gets fewer reps and doesn't play all year until the last few weeks like he's failed in an entirely fair and equitable test of his skills.
 
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maverick512000 said:
Here's the thing I see about Mahomes, without question the kid has talent and yes I will agree in many cases he made playing QB look easy, and there's where my fear comes in.

I've dealt with a lot of college kids that made something look easy and seemed to be born to do something. They are amazing to watch but for a lot of them when it stops being as easy for them they lose it. There is nothing about being an NFL level QB that is easy, Brady doesn't make it look easy. So my worry with Mahomes is not so much his skills as it is his mindset.

Now this is a concern that can really only be address when you personally know someone and of course I don't know Mahomes so my fears could be groundless. It's just a gut feeling I have.

All that being said though I do have him as my number 2 and think we have the best chance of getting him. If nothing else he will be fun to watch for awhile and again I could be totally wrong about him. I hope I am if we do get him.
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Just something to add on Mahomes .... The kid loves football without a doubt. He turned down a $1.6m contract from an MLB franchise to play college football at TT.

He talks about spending time around professional athletes growing up, his dad being a MLB pitcher , knowing what kind of work goes into being a professional athlete and the preparation required to be successful.


I think this is the guy that's going to be the first one to show up and the last one to leave. The Anti HWSNBM.
 
PapaL said:
Who have we realistically missed on since Schaub?
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The Texans had 5 picks in the 3rd and 4th rounds in '12 where they could have had their choice of Wilson (75), Foles (88), or Cousins (102). That's also, of course, the off-season after Schaub's injury, which should have been a red flag to someone to at least think about planning for life after Schaub. They passed.

Schaub falls off a cliff in '13, a SURE sign to get life after Schaub in motion, they pass again on Carr, Garropolo, Bridgewater. Instead, they start this house of horrors show with Fitz, Mallett, Hoyer, Osweiler and I guess now Savage.

They've had plenty of opportunities to realistically take a shot on, and passed on every one.

So here we are, going into a 4th season that Schaub hasn't been on the roster. Are they passing again? I really don't care who it is at this point, Watson, Mahomes, Kizer, whoever, they'd better at least freaking try or we'll be doing this again next year, 5 years after Schaub.
 
Hervoyel said:
I just want to see Savage (or Weeden, or somebody) get the exact same opportunity that Schaub got in 2013, Fitz got in 2014, and that Os got last season. I want to see one of them get the job, get the reps, have camp and preseason to knock our socks off or scare the crap out of us and then go out and either do it or not (and if the outcome is "not" then sure, next option up.) We talk about all the QB's we've been through since everything imploded in 2013 but if you think about it Schaub was an established starter, Keenum got the job on the run, Fitzpatrick was allowed to go into it as the starter but even he had Mallett breathing down his neck in no time at all and then by the end of the season it was more guys coming in and starting games with a handful of plays. 2015 it's Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer competing for the job and before a single game is up we're swapping them out. Season ends and it's back to guys being re-signed and hitting the ground running just trying to remember enough plays to finish games.

2016 Os got the chance to step in and be the man. He failed and by the time Savage is coming we're seeing one more QB that doesn't look all that great necessarily and who has no chemistry with the receivers.

I just want to see a guy come in and try to QB the team who has been prepared to do so and then hopefully succeed. If that's a rookie then so be it but I'm so tired of the QB-go-round and all the obviously fake QB "competitions" we have here. Pick a guy, roll with him like you did Os and then if you have to pull him because he's sucking hot garbage fine but I'm not going to judge the guy who gets fewer reps and doesn't play all year until the last few weeks like he's failed in an entirely fair and equitable test of his skill
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Speedy said:
The Texans had 5 picks in the 3rd and 4th rounds in '12 where they could have had their choice of Wilson (75), Foles (88), or Cousins (102). That's also, of course, the off-season after Schaub's injury, which should have been a red flag to someone to at least think about planning for life after Schaub. They passed.

Schaub falls off a cliff in '13, a SURE sign to get life after Schaub in motion, they pass again on Carr, Garropolo, Bridgewater. Instead, they start this house of horrors show with Fitz, Mallett, Hoyer, Osweiler and I guess now Savage.

They've had plenty of opportunities to realistically take a shot on, and passed on every one.

So here we are, going into a 4th season that Schaub hasn't been on the roster. Are they passing again? I really don't care who it is at this point, Watson, Mahomes, Kizer, whoever, they'd better at least freaking try or we'll be doing this again next year, 5 years after Schaub.
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So let me get this straight, you're mad because in the last 6 drafts we missed out on 6 QBs. Of all the QBs taken in 6 years we missed out on 6 of which Foles sucks, Carr was not coming here period , Garropolo is just as unknown as Savage, and Bridgewater is learning to walk again. So really 2 guys in 6 years, Cousins and Wilson - neither which was drafted to be a franchise QB. Naw I'm good. Build up the rest of the team if my odds are 6/1530. (255 picks in a draft I believe; something like that)
 
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So let me get this straight, you're mad because in the last 6 drafts we missed out on 6 QBs. Of all the QBs taken in 6 years we missed out on 6 of which Foles sucks, Carr was not coming here period , Garropolo is just as unknown as Savage, and Bridgewater is learning to walk again. So really 2 guys in 6 years, Cousins and Wilson - neither which was drafted to be a franchise QB. Naw I'm good. Build up the rest of the team if my odds are 6/1530. (2 picks in a draft I believe; something like that)
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We really missed out only on jimmy and Carr. Carr was not going to be here due to the family ties and they thought they could get Jimmy later after drafting xsf and they got sniped
 
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