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Sellout for Deshaun Watson

DocBar said:
Are you referring to intelligence or off field issues? I've heard nothing but good things about Watson. The only issue I have with him are 30 INTs in two years. I like the fact that he responds well under pressure and he just wins, baby.
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I think he is saying that VY just isn't smart and couldn't figure out how to play in the NFL because he couldn't read defenses.
 
zshawn10 said:
Deshaun had a wonderlic of 20 if that matters to you
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I think it matters somewhat, especially for QBs. The ability to quickly process information is what the wonderlic is all about, and DeShaun at 20 is under avarage (average is 25). The more I watch of Watson the less I think he is worth the sellout. A lot of his ints aren't bad reads, but the result of inaccurate throws. He is always just a little off. A little high, a little behind, too far out in front. It makes me nervous, because the window in the NFL will be even smaller.

I would prefer Trubisky at this point, even with his limited starts.
 
amazing80 said:
I think it matters somewhat, especially for QBs. The ability to quickly process information is what the wonderlic is all about, and DeShaun at 20 is under avarage (average is 25). The more I watch of Watson the less I think he is worth the sellout. A lot of his ints aren't bad reads, but the result of inaccurate throws. He is always just a little off. A little high, a little behind, too far out in front. It makes me nervous, because the window in the NFL will be even smaller.

I would prefer Trubisky at this point, even with his limited starts.
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But to be fair, Derek Carr has a 23, Bridgewater had a 20, Manziel had a 32, Savage had a 29. Seems like it doesn't really affect anything.
 
amazing80 said:
But to be fair, Derek Carr has a 23, Bridgewater had a 20, Manziel had a 32, Savage had a 29. Seems like it doesn't really affect anything.
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I don't think the Wonderlic is a great indication.
It does help to give a hint as to how a young man relates to the world, not necessarily who they will be in the future.

It's more of a "help" test in a certain small and particular area.
 
76Texan said:
I don't think the Wonderlic is a great indication.
It does help to give a hint as to how a young man relates to the world, not necessarily who they will be in the future.

It's more of a "help" test in a certain small and particular area.
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Bolles got a 9. I posted the wonderlic results under the state of the o line thread
 
I like the confidence:


When asked Tuesday on Good Morning Footballwhat he says to those who project the inexperienced Trubisky over him in this week's NFL Draft (April 27-29 in Philadelphia), Watson channeled his inner Peyton Manning.

"You're gonna have to live with the consequences that come with it. That's how I see it," Watson responded. "I try to stay in my lane. I try not to take the path. I respect Mitch and what he's done and all the hype he's getting, but at the same time, my result speaks for itself. I feel like I've accomplished everything that I could. I guess if that's who they're gonna roll with, so be it."

Legend has it, Manning, during his 1998 combine interview, offered a similar threat to the Indianapolis Colts, telling them, "If you don't (pick me), I promise I'll come back and kick your ass." Indy promptly drafted Manning first overall and went on to win mutiple division titles and its first Super Bowl since 1971.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ve-with-the-consequences?campaign=Twitter_atn
 
zshawn10 said:
Ian Rapoport

✔@RapSheet
If Deshaun Watson is there in late 1, keep an eye on the #Texans. His visit was overwhelmingly positive for all. He loved it, team did, too.

11:24 AM - 26 Apr 2017
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I have no doubts that we would draft Deshaun Watson.
I'm just hoping he's still there when we pick at 25.

Otherwise we should just go with the best player available.
And take our chances on a quarterback in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Hmm, I don't really want another Tom Savage in the 4th round. A multi-year project basically. Savage may actually be decent but we don't know that definitely. The guy can't stay healthy for more than two starts. He's already entering the final year of his rookie contract and he's still a big question mark to me.

What is that saying everybody uses on NFL Live?
The best ability is availability. That is so true!
Whichever quarterback we may draft I want him to be tough!

What I like about Deshaun Watson is he's a true leader. He played in all 15 games last season at Clemson. Even when he was banged up he never missed a practice. He led Clemson to the National Championship with a surprising upset win over Alabama. He threw for 420 yards and 3 TDs (0 INTS) that game. He had another 40+ rushing yards and 1 rushing TD as well. Just a dual threat in the backfield. That is the type of QB I enjoy watching.

Rick Smith may have to trade up if he really wants Deshaun Watson.
 
Regarding the velocity of his throws:

49mph = 24 yards per second

53mph = 26 yards per second

So a QB throwing a 50 yard pass at 53mph would have his pass arive at the target in 1.92 seconds.

A QB throwing the same pass 49mph would have his pass arrive in 2.08 seconds.

A quick calculation between a 49mph pass and a 53mph pass (1 mph~0.5 yards/sec) shows that a 15 yard throw takes 0.05 seconds longer to get there and a 25 yard throw takes 0.08 seconds longer to get there.
 
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zshawn10 said:
Regarding the velocity of his throws:

49mph = 24 yards per second

53mph = 26 yards per second

So a QB throwing a 50 yard pass at 53mph would have his pass arive at the target in 1.92 seconds.

A QB throwing the same pass 49mph would have his pass arrive in 2.08 seconds.

A quick calculation between a 49mph pass and a 53mph pass (1 mph~0.5 yards/sec) shows that a 15 yard throw takes 0.05 seconds longer to get there and a 25 yard throw takes 0.08 seconds longer to get there.
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I don't put much stock in the combine speed numbers. It's good to talk about & sometimes it matches what we see on the field. But when I watch this guy I don't think he's got a weak arm.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't put much stock in the combine speed numbers. It's good to talk about & sometimes it matches what we see on the field. But when I watch this guy I don't think he's got a weak arm.
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Ball velocity by itself doesn't make much sense.

It's the time it takes for the QB to get the ball there, let's say on a 10-yd out.

More importantly, it it's one the second or third read.

These things don't show up much in a college game.

That's why you need to put together a whole lot of different metrics to make a better informed decision.
 
zshawn10 said:
Regarding the velocity of his throws:

49mph = 24 yards per second

53mph = 26 yards per second

So a QB throwing a 50 yard pass at 53mph would have his pass arive at the target in 1.92 seconds.

A QB throwing the same pass 49mph would have his pass arrive in 2.08 seconds.

A quick calculation between a 49mph pass and a 53mph pass (1 mph~0.5 yards/sec) shows that a 15 yard throw takes 0.05 seconds longer to get there and a 25 yard throw takes 0.08 seconds longer to get there.
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The eye tests when you watch him play, shows he has plenty of arm to make tight throws. His ability to zip the ball over the middle is plenty good enough.
 
76Texan said:
Ball velocity by itself doesn't make much sense.

It's the time it takes for the QB to get the ball there, let's say on a 10-yd out.

More importantly, it it's one the second or third read.

These things don't show up much in a college game.

That's why you need to put together a whole lot of different metrics to make a better informed decision.
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I understand. But there is so much unknown about how they do the ball velocity testing at the combine. No one knows when they're being "tested" for ball velocity. It's not like they say, "Ok, on this drill we're going to test you for ball velocity. You're allowed one hitch step, don't pass this line, & your plant foot has to stay on the ground"

For all we know, they're testing one guy throwing a 10 yard out & another on 25 yard post.

A guy is going to throw the ball differently if he's got a guy wide open down the middle of the field, than if he's got a guy sandwiched between two defenders on a hook. Or if he's got half a second before he's got a LB in his grill. Or if he thinks he is being tested for a catchable ball vs ball velocity.
 
Do Not Want.

Don't care how fast he throws , its about accuracy and making the right reads , especially when things break down .... he has nether.


Hell of a game beating Bama .... still don't want.
 
zshawn10 said:
Regarding the velocity of his throws:

49mph = 24 yards per second

53mph = 26 yards per second

So a QB throwing a 50 yard pass at 53mph would have his pass arive at the target in 1.92 seconds.

A QB throwing the same pass 49mph would have his pass arrive in 2.08 seconds.

A quick calculation between a 49mph pass and a 53mph pass (1 mph~0.5 yards/sec) shows that a 15 yard throw takes 0.05 seconds longer to get there and a 25 yard throw takes 0.08 seconds longer to get there.
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That's if you throw it directly horizontally at no angle. You need to account for angle. If they throw the ball at a 45 degree angle, which will net the longest distance, at 49 mph and 53 mph, it will travel in the air for 3.16 seconds and 3.42 seconds respectively. So, the ball travels horizontally 53.2 yards and 62.7 yards respectively. That does not account for air resistance and only is accurate if they throw the ball as hard as they can at the perfect angle. That's the largest discrepancy you will see in any numbers that you calculate regarding their ball velocity.

Regardless, tape will show you if the guy is struggling to make throws. This ball velocity stuff is getting kind of funny.
 
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Corrosion said:
Do Not Want.

Don't care how fast he throws , its about accuracy and making the right reads , especially when things break down .... he has nether.


Hell of a game beating Bama .... still don't want.
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But he can stay on the field and be counted on.
He's a real team leader and a champion that will only improve.
This is a guy that will work hard and be reliable.

If he's available at 25 it's a no-brain selection.
We'd better send up the card really fast. LOL

I just don't think a QB needy team will pass him up before we come up.

I'd trade up for him if there's a match trade wise...

USA Today interviewed Deshaun Watson yesterday.


Deshaun Watson is a lot better than Dak Prescott, IMO.
And we all saw the impact he had as a 4th-round rookie last year.
Before Cowboys fans start to complain. I meant better coming out of college.
 
He may very well be available at 25. He has a history of issues seeing coverage. High interception ratio but they can work on that. Atleast one interception in just about every game. I hope they can get him though.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
But he can stay on the field and be counted on.
He's a real team leader and a champion that will only improve.
This is a guy that will work hard and be reliable.

If he's available at 25 it's a no-brain selection.
We'd better send up the card really fast. LOL

I just don't think a QB needy team will pass him up before we come up.

I'd trade up for him if there's a match trade wise...

USA Today interviewed Deshaun Watson yesterday.


Deshaun Watson is a lot better than Dak Prescott, IMO.
And we all saw the impact he had as a 4th-round rookie last year.
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I wouldn't take him at all , I'd take another position if I couldn't get Mahomes (or Trubisky) .... then take one of the other QB's (Peterman / Beathard) later in the draft.
 
humblegeo said:
He may very well be available at 25. He has a history of issues seeing coverage. High interception ratio but they can work on that. Atleast one interception in just about every game. I hope they can get him though.
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He can win games on the biggest stage.
In the National Championship he was big time
Against an Alabama team with an NFL-caliber defense.

He sort of reminds me of Vince Young his last year at Texas.
But the difference is Deshaun Watson is a lot smarter than Vince was.
And Vince Young was a pro bowler, very electric, his first few years in the NFL.
 
Corrosion said:
I wouldn't take him at all , I'd take another position if I couldn't get Mahomes (or Trubisky) .... then take one of the other QB's (Peterman / Beathard) later in the draft.
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I sure hope other NFL GMs feel the same way.
I'd be thrilled if Deshaun Watson fell to us at 25.
 
zshawn10 said:
I have a feeling he might go as high as 4 to the jags. Coughlin reportedly loves him
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Honestly, I know they have Blake Bortles and Marcus Mariota, but if I'm the Jaguars and Titans I'm taking a good hard look at Deshaun Watson. I really am. I think he'll be better in the pros than both Bortles and Mariota.

And I'll piss my pants if that happens.
I don't want to face Deshaun Watson twice a year!
It was bad enough when Vince Young whooped us twice a year.

I'll tell you this right now... Rick Smith loves Deshaun Watson.
But how much? We'll see tomorrow night if we trade up for him.
I just don't have faith that he's going to fall to 25. I hope I'm wrong.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Honestly, I know they have Blake Bortles and Marcus Mariota, but if I'm the Jaguars and Titans I'm taking a good hard look at Deshaun Watson. I really am. I think he'll be better in the pros than both Bortles and Mariota.

And I'll piss my pants if that happens.
I don't want to face Deshaun Watson twice a year!
It was bad enough when Vince Young whooped us twice a year.

I'll tell you this right now... Rick Smith loves Deshaun Watson.
But how much? We'll see tomorrow night if we trade up for him.
I just don't have faith that he's going to fall to 25. I hope I'm wrong.
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No way the Titans take Watson. Now the jags; that could happen although they might give Bortles one more year.
 
zshawn10 said:
No way the Titans take Watson. Now the jags; that could happen although they might give Bortles one more year.
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Marcus Mariota could be special. Don't get me wrong.
But he suffered that scary leg injury late in the season.
A lot like Derek Carr, he's got to overcome a tough injury setback.
Those type of injuries are nothing to sneeze at. They are tough ones.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Bullsh*t. A reasonable argument could be made both against Watson and for another couple of qbs.

That's not how 'no-brain' decisions work.
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If Deshaun Watson is available at 25 I'll bet you anything the Texans will select him. Rick Smith has him rated very highly. I just don't think he will be there but please tell I'm wrong. I'll be so excited if he drops right into our laps at 25. I guess we'll find out soon!!!!! I'm excited for the draft.
 
I'm currently watching the Mayock mock draft special with Chris Rose on the NFL Network right now. They have Deshaun Watson going 25 to the Houston Texans. Please be reality. I'm going crazy thinking about it. I need some sleep to calm down.

It just seems too good to be true. Deshaun Watson falling to 25.
I'm ready for the draft to start. All this speculation is too much for me.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
If Deshaun Watson is available at 25 I'll bet you anything the Texans will select him. Rick Smith has him rated very highly. I just don't think he will be there but please tell I'm wrong. I'll be so excited if he drops right into our laps at 25. I guess we'll find out soon!!!!! I'm excited for the draft.
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That has absolutely f*ck all to do with what I said.
 
Corrosion said:
Do Not Want.

Don't care how fast he throws , its about accuracy and making the right reads , especially when things break down .... he has nether.


Hell of a game beating Bama .... still don't want.
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I'd rather have Watson than a 4th CB

I want Mahomes if he's not in reach I'll be ok with Peterman and Robinson, Watson is 3rd choice. But I want one of the 3
 
Mollywhopper said:
That has absolutely f*ck all to do with what I said.
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Stop being a pessimistic and mean old man, Molly.
Get a grip and gear up for an exciting draft tonight!
I can chat sports and give you my insight. That's all I can do.
It's no secret the Houston Texans love Deshaun Watson. That's a fact.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Bullsh*t. A reasonable argument could be made both against Watson and for another couple of qbs.

That's not how 'no-brain' decisions work.
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I agree .... There are very few No Brainer decisions in the NFL draft. Only two come to mind in recent memory , Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck.


Ryan Leaf was a no brainer too .... Literally.



As for Watson , I have to wonder if we were even talking about him playing QB in the NFL if not for that comeback over Bama. He might have been coming in a trying to make a roster at another position without that game.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Stop being a pessimistic and mean old man, Molly.
Get a grip and gear up for an exciting draft tonight!
I can chat sports and give you my insight. That's all I can do.
It's no secret the Houston Texans love Deshaun Watson. That's a fact.
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You can do all that all you like, doesn't change the fact that you don't seem to understand the meaning of the term no-brainer.

And I actually resent being labeled a pessimist just because I don't agree with what you want. I've given many positive outlooks on what I'd like to see the team do myself, my own mock for example. But I never had the gall to say anything I proposed was simply a no-brainer as though any other thoughtful poster/reader here couldn't construct their own points of view.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Stop being a pessimistic and mean old man, Molly.
Get a grip and gear up for an exciting draft tonight!
I can chat sports and give you my insight. That's all I can do.
It's no secret the Houston Texans love Deshaun Watson. That's a fact.
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Ricky loving Watson is not the same as the Houston Texans loving Watson...

hopefully
 
JB said:
Ricky loving Watson is not the same as the Houston Texans loving Watson...

hopefully
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I never heard Tricky Rick say anything about any of these prospects .... not one name out of his mouth. Someone is making an assumption.


BoP really likes big names and Watson is just that .... I get it.
Read some of his posts on the Rockets and acquisition of star players ..... Melo , Dwert , Cousins now its Blake Griffin
Not hating on the guy at all .... just how it is.
 
Corrosion said:
I never heard Tricky Rick say anything about any of these prospects .... not one name out of his mouth. Someone is making an assumption.


BoP really likes big names and Watson is just that .... I get it.
Read some of his posts on the Rockets and acquisition of star players ..... Melo , Dwert , Cousins now its Blake Griffin
Not hating on the guy at all .... just how it is.
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yeah I know... but sometimes his fallacies need to be pointed out
 
I don't see how Watson or even Patrick will fall to 25. Y'all better start bracing yourselves because we may go defense in the first round. Hopefully we can at least land Peterman in the 3rd round, should he still even be there.
 
Interesting stats:

Carr and Mariota had very similar stats to Watson in terms of yardage and TD's in their last two years of collegiate ball, but there was a significant difference in interceptions.

Watson - 30
Carr - 15
Mariota - 8

Watson had 8 multi-INT games in the two seasons where Clemson was dominant and went to back-to-back title games.
 
sandman said:
Interesting stats:

Carr and Mariota had very similar stats to Watson in terms of yardage and TD's in their last two years of collegiate ball, but there was a significant difference in interceptions.

Watson - 30
Carr - 15
Mariota - 8

Watson had 8 multi-INT games in the two seasons where Clemson was dominant and went to back-to-back title games.
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I'd give Watson some leeway in that comparison just because of conferences. Carr played in the Mountain West and Mariota in the Pac12. Not exactly defensive juggernaut conferences.
 
PapaL said:
I'd give Watson some leeway in that comparison just because of conferences. Carr played in the Mountain West and Mariota in the Pac12. Not exactly defensive juggernaut conferences.
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And the ACC isn't exactly the NFL. The ACC had one defense in the top 10 for both yards and points allowed. Ironically it was Clemson. Miami was the only other team to finish in the top 20 in both categories, and Clemson didn't play them this year. The next best defense in the conference was NC State (24th yards/27th points) that Clemson beat in overtime.

If he throws 17 INT's as a senior with 5 multi-INT games, I'm not sure how that isn't going to be a problem at the NFL level.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
But he can stay on the field and be counted on.
He's a real team leader and a champion that will only improve.
This is a guy that will work hard and be reliable.

Deshaun Watson is a lot better than Dak Prescott, IMO.
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We don't know if either of these are true. A "healthy" college athlete doesn't alway make a healthy pro athlete. Ricky Williams never missed a game, & was a work horse of a back at Texas. But his first three years were riddled with one injury after another.

& we know what Dak can do with a stout line & a game changing RB. We don't even know if Watson will get an opportunity to play with either.
 
If Mahomes is gone by 25, I REAlly want Watson to fall to 25 and I REALLY want the Jets to need a QB and to REALLY want Watson so bad that they trade their 2nd pick for 1-25, swap positions with the Texans in the 3rd, give us their 4th, and their 2nd next year. Then Texans get the BPA with their pick in the second, get Peterman (NOT Kizer) with their own second and wind out the draft going BPA in positions of need. It would also give us a 2nd rounder next year that will probably be a high 2nd.
 
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