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Sellout for Deshaun Watson

sandman said:
And the ACC isn't exactly the NFL. The ACC had one defense in the top 10 for both yards and points allowed. Ironically it was Clemson. Miami was the only other team to finish in the top 20 in both categories, and Clemson didn't play them this year. The next best defense in the conference was NC State (24th yards/27th points) that Clemson beat in overtime.

If he throws 17 INT's as a senior with 5 multi-INT games, I'm not sure how that isn't going to be a problem at the NFL level.
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He did look good against supposedly a NFL ready D at Alabama twice once in a losing effort, Its going to be a crap shoot either way, with a QB you either get great, good or Ryan leaf.
 
Flyingfish said:
If Mahomes is gone by 25, I REAlly want Watson to fall to 25 and I REALLY want the Jets to need a QB and to REALLY want Watson so bad that they trade their 2nd pick for 1-25, swap positions with the Texans in the 3rd, give us their 4th, and their 2nd next year. Then Texans get the BPA with their pick in the second, get Peterman (NOT Kizer) with their own second and wind out the draft going BPA in positions of need. It would also give us a 2nd rounder next year that will probably be a high 2nd.
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The Jets also really like Bolles and there are suggestions that they are willing to use a three to trade back up into the first to get him.
 
Mangler said:
I don't see how Watson or even Patrick will fall to 25. Y'all better start bracing yourselves because we may go defense in the first round. Hopefully we can at least land Peterman in the 3rd round, should he still even be there.
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Peterman's arm worries me some, but I am really coming around to Dobbs in the 3rd. He's got a better arm, and had an NFL passer rating of 106 under pressure, not to mention the smarts and athleticism. He'd be a good developmental guy.
 
jradMIT said:
Peterman's arm worries me some, but I am really coming around to Dobbs in the 3rd. He's got a better arm, and had an NFL passer rating of 106 under pressure, not to mention the smarts and athleticism. He'd be a good developmental guy.
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Watched a lot of Peterman, Dobbs and Webb at work today. I liked Peterman the best out of the 3 and still don't want anything to do with Webb. Dobbs could end up being a Russell Wilson type NFL QB, but the offense he ran was so simple and full of WR and RB screens, relying on YAC. That doesn't translate well at the NFL level. I also thought Peterman had a pretty decent deep ball. I didn't see anything to show me he didn't have good arm talent. Maybe not elite arm talent, but good enough and that's one thing that can be improved upon with coaching and training.
 
Mollywhopper said:
You can do all that all you like, doesn't change the fact that you don't seem to understand the meaning of the term no-brainer.

And I actually resent being labeled a pessimist just because I don't agree with what you want. I've given many positive outlooks on what I'd like to see the team do myself, my own mock for example. But I never had the gall to say anything I proposed was simply a no-brainer as though any other thoughtful poster/reader here couldn't construct their own points of view.
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It's a no brainer that the Texans will draft a QB.


Or a RT


Or a safety


Or a WR


Or a new dancer for the Toro costume


You know what, I'm going on record saying it's a a no brainer that the Texans will draft somebody tonight.


Now what them prove me wrong by trading all our picks for the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders and a bag of cheetos. Actually you know what I could get behind that trade.

Sorry for the pointless post but noticed as we get closer to the draft seems these boards are getting more tense. Though I might try and lighten the mood a bit.
 
I want a QB who is smart and a total football junkie, first and foremost. The ability to learn an offense, as well as the coaches know it, and be able to diagnose how a defense is attacking your offense (overall strategy and play to play) is crucial, along with processing that information very quickly is paramount for me. Making good decisions consistently will allow a QB with lesser arm talent to keep the starting job and win games. Happy feet make me nervous. That's a sign of indecisiveness. P Manning is one of the few QBs I've seen succeed with happy feet, and succeed he did.

Number 2 on my list is accuracy. It doesn't matter how strong your arm is if there's no real idea where the ball is going to go. You can get away with less accuracy in college, not so much in the NFL. 2b would be vision/anticipation. Can a QB see the whole field and see a WR coming open/throw him open? That's pretty dang important in the NFL where an open receiver doesn't even resemble a cousin to an open receiver in college.

How does a QB handle pressure and big moments? Are they winners or do they wilt? I guess I would label this intangibles. Do they rise to the occasion or crash and burn? My biggest question with Kizer.

Arm strength comes next. Can the QB drive the ball and make all the throws? Being able to drive the ball on intermediate and deep outs greatly affects play calling. This is where velocity comes into play. Windows are usually tight and velocity and accuracy are crucial.

That's how I judge QB prospects. Thankfully, there are a ton of youtube videos that show every throw from a game and not just highlights. You gotta see the bad with the good.
 
DocBar said:
I want a QB who is smart and a total football junkie, first and foremost. The ability to learn an offense, as well as the coaches know it, and be able to diagnose how a defense is attacking your offense (overall strategy and play to play) is crucial, along with processing that information very quickly is paramount for me. Making good decisions consistently will allow a QB with lesser arm talent to keep the starting job and win games. Happy feet make me nervous. That's a sign of indecisiveness. P Manning is one of the few QBs I've seen succeed with happy feet, and succeed he did.

Number 2 on my list is accuracy. It doesn't matter how strong your arm is if there's no real idea where the ball is going to go. You can get away with less accuracy in college, not so much in the NFL. 2b would be vision/anticipation. Can a QB see the whole field and see a WR coming open/throw him open? That's pretty dang important in the NFL where an open receiver doesn't even resemble a cousin to an open receiver in college.

How does a QB handle pressure and big moments? Are they winners or do they wilt? I guess I would label this intangibles. Do they rise to the occasion or crash and burn? My biggest question with Kizer.

Arm strength comes next. Can the QB drive the ball and make all the throws? Being able to drive the ball on intermediate and deep outs greatly affects play calling. This is where velocity comes into play. Windows are usually tight and velocity and accuracy are crucial.

That's how I judge QB prospects. Thankfully, there are a ton of youtube videos that show every throw from a game and not just highlights. You gotta see the bad with the good.
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So who do you like better Watson or Mahomes? I see your number one but I think I would have to go to Mahomes even though he reminds me of Johnny a little. He seems the most natural passer. My nightmare would be Kizer.
 
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gafftop said:
So who do you like better Watson or Mahomes? I see you number one but I think I would have to go to Mahomes even though he reminds me of Johnny a little. He seems the most natural passer. My nightmare would be Kizer.
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I like both fairly equally. That's why I've posted a few times that I wouldn't be butt hurt if either were drafted by the Texans at 1.25 or they traded up a few spots (1.20 is my personal limit) to get either. Mahomes has the arm talent and Watson has the intangibles. If both are available at 1.25, I take Mahomes, hands down. He's Russell Wilson on steroids. He'll run when he has to, but keeps his eyes downfield and shows some anticipation. Watson's INTs keep bothering me. I need to watch more film on him. I agree on Kizer before the 4th round.
 
DocBar said:
I like both fairly equally. That's why I've posted a few times that I wouldn't be butt hurt if either were drafted by the Texans at 1.25 or they traded up a few spots (1.20 is my personal limit) to get either. Mahomes has the arm talent and Watson has the intangibles. If both are available at 1.25, I take Mahomes, hands down. He's Russell Wilson on steroids. He'll run when he has to, but keeps his eyes downfield and shows some anticipation. Watson's INTs keep bothering me. I need to watch more film on him. I agree on Kizer before the 4th round.
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I agree except I would not waste a 4th rd on Kizer.
 
gafftop said:
I agree except I would not waste a 4th rd on Kizer.
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I would take a flier on him in the 4th. Most likely a wasted pick, under Smith, and there is some potential there. A 4th round pick on him also wouldn't put undue pressure on the team to start him. It's actually a pretty good spot to pick a developmental QB. It shows you have a real interest in improving the competition but no pressure to start that pick. I think Kizer can be developed, but is not even close to being ready to start for a couple of years. Too many issues to work out.
 
I like Watson's take that it'll be a slap in the face if Trubisky is drafted in front of him. A reasonable attitude.
 
I'm no college expert, but if we're going to go with someone who by y'alls accounts has trouble taking care of the ball, I'd rather sign Cutler. At least that dude's ready to go.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I'm no college expert, but if we're going to go with someone who by y'alls accounts has trouble taking care of the ball, I'd rather sign Cutler. At least that dude's ready to go.
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Why sign Cutler when Savage has shown that he can?
 
I called Deshaun Watson a no-brainer at 25.
People gave me a hard time for it. I knew Rick Smith loved him.

I also knew we'd have to trade up for him.

Deshaun Watson is a leader, a winner and he's going to lead us to a few Super Bowl wins, at least, in the near future. We have the dominating defense and dynamic weapons on offense to surround him with a lot of success!!!

YES!!!!! I want my Deshaun Watson jersey right now!!!!!
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I called Deshaun Watson a no-brainer at 25.
People gave me a hard time for it. I knew Rick Smith loved him.

I also knew we'd have to trade up for him.

Deshaun Watson is a leader, a winner and he's going to lead us to a few Super Bowl wins, at least, in the near future. We have the dominating defense and dynamic weapons on offense to surround him with a lot of success!!!

YES!!!!! I want my Deshaun Watson jersey right now!!!!!
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I gave you a hard time on whether Watson should be the pick was a no-brainer. Why is this so challenging for you?
 
I have no doubts Deshaun Watson can come in right away and beat out Tom Savage and Brandon Weeden for the starting job as a rookie. Ideally I'd like him to sit and learn a little bit but we may not have that luxury.

Tom Savage is going to go on IR at any time (preseason or early in the season). The best ability is availability. And Brandon Weeden would have started some games last year if he were any good in O'Brien's system. He won us two games late in the season a couple years ago but it's mind-boggling how he never got another chance to start some games.

Both Savage and Weeden are signed through 2017 only.
We needed a long-term and reliable answer. Deshaun!!!!

I'm super excited. I may go jogging for five miles tomorrow.
I haven't felt this good about the Houston Texans in a long time.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
I gave you a hard time on whether Watson should be the pick was a no-brainer. Why is this so challenging for you?
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I simply felt that Deshaun Watson at 25 was a no-brainer,
He's the best quarterback in this draft class, in my opinion.

I had Deshaun Watson going top 10.
He slipped just outside of it at 12

Either way I was right that the Texans had to trade up for him. The thing is we heard reports that Rick Smith loved him for a while now.

So I'm not too surprised. But at 25? Come on. It was a no brainer.
I should have just told you my source (David Nuno on ABC-13 sports).
He told me last week that Rick Smith would do all he could to draft Deshaun.

I had some inside information...
 
Someone better be blowing someone in the browns front office. Not only do they take Osweiler, but they trade pick 12 to us? Wow

I'm stoked, we finally have a direction at the position, whether it pans out or not is a discussion for another day, today we have a clear path.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I simply felt that Deshaun Watson at 25 was a no-brainer,
He's the best quarterback in this draft class, in my opinion.
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Right, I heard that the first time. But the fact that a massive persuasive argument could be made for other qbs and against Watson makes it considerably less than a no-brainer. It's an actual brainer in fact, because that's what's being used in the debate.

Are you getting it now, maybe?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Right, I heard that the first time. But the fact that a massive persuasive argument could be made for other qbs and against Watson makes it considerably less than a no-brainer. It's an actual brainer in fact, because that's what's being used in the debate.

Are you getting it now, maybe?
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Your issue is with the no brainer part, not the pick part. Got it.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
Right, I heard that the first time. But the fact that a massive persuasive argument could be made for other qbs and against Watson makes it considerably less than a no-brainer. It's an actual brainer in fact, because that's what's being used in the debate.

Are you getting it now, maybe?
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I understand what you were saying. I wasn't debating it.
And I respect your opinions. I enjoyed reading your mock drafts.

All I'm saying is I'm excited about this pick.
You should be too. This is exactly what we needed.

If J.J. Watt is back to dominating and we stay healthy...
We'll reach the AFC Championship game this year!
And I believe we'll win the Super Bowl in the near future.

A quaterback like Deshaun Watson is a special game changer.
The sky is the limit for him. Bill O'Brien can coach him up.
 
I think he will help our red zone offense immensely. His ability to run it in will really help us convert those trips to touch downs. I'm beyond excited
 
I guess we have the answer to whether the team having confidence in Savage was a bluff or not.
 
steelbtexan said:
Well hope Ricky is right.

Doubtful

I guess this is a BOB pick.
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Rick Smith absolutely loves Deshaun Watson.
I didn't really know how much Bill O'Brien wanted him.

All I heard all week was that Rick Smith would do all he could to land Deshaun Watson in this draft. And sure enough it played out like that.

O'Brien seems happy about the selection from what I see on the web cam inside the Texans war room. You don't think he's forcing a smile and high fives all around the staff? I don't exactly see a "bad mood" Bill O'Brien.
 

Deshaun Watson to DeAndre Hopkins: Touchdown Texans!

Hopkins tweeted out a smiley face right after the pick.
#ClemsonToClemson should be up before long. LOL
 
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