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The Texans..........a lack of organizational hierarchy

CloakNNNdagger

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There is no way that this has not been a major factor in the apparent ceiling this organization has had. With successful teams, hierarchies are clearly established in the personnel decision making process..........and business operations and personnel operations are distinctly separate entities. One doesn't try to interfere with the other's workings. What other successful organization has a "tie" between the GM and the HC taken to the owner for final player decisions......an owner that apparently knows (and would be expected to know) less about the football personnel than many fans? Without an established hierarchy, responsibility for personnel decisions cannot be assigned..........and mistakes of repeated poor judgement swept under the rug with little chance to really get the organization back "on the right track" since there is no mechanism to display who is really keeps sabotaging the rails.
 
Bob is at the top.

Then he has O'b, Rick, & Jim Rootes

Below O'b are all the coaches & trainers. Below Rick are all the scouts & the contract people. Below Rootes is all the marketing & operations & all that kind of stuff.

The hierarchy is clear.
 
Let's say they're talking about Jimmy Garoppolo.

Bill: I like Garoppolo. Get him for me.
Rick: Ok. Should be there in the third, I'll get him with the first pick in the third
Bill: 3rd?? You sure about that Rick? Kid's pretty good.
Rick: Yeah, I agree with you, but these teams will most likely go after a QB early. They'll be looking at, Carr, Bortles, & I hear the Browns like Bridgewater, but they're looking at Manziel too.
Bill: What's that got to do with the price of coffee in Burma?
Rick: Well... After those four, there's still four of the guys you said were about the same still on the board. I doubt anyone else take a QB before our 3rd pick. We should be able to get Garoppolo there.
Bill: Ohhh... I see. Good thinking. But just to be safe, I think we should take him with our 2nd.
Rick: Yeah... If that's what you want, sure. But keep in mind, we also need an OG. I only see one in this draft that fits what we're looking for in a player who can come in & play at a high level. If we have a chance to get him with our 2nd & pass, we'll be looking at developmental guys who may take a few years before they're ready to play.
Bill: Who do we have at guard now?
Rick: Right now, our starters would be Brandon Brooks & maybe Ben Jones.
Bill: uh-huh... & we don't like them?
Rick: Well, Brooks is solid, Ben's really a center. I think you'll like him, but Gary didn't
Bill: & there's not a lot of OG talent in this draft?
Rick: the talent's there. Not so much experience... not to many guys I give a 1st or 2nd round grade.
Bill: What kind of grade do you have on Garoppolo?
Rick: QBs... you can't really rely on grade. a lot of 2nd round graded guys will be there in the 5th.
Bill: You sure about that?
Rick: Yeah, positive. It might not be Garoppolo. But him, Metenberger, Savage, McCarron... at least two of those guys will be there in the 5th.
Bill: Ok. We'll do it your way.
Rick: Our way Bill. Chances are XSF won't even be there. He's very versatile, comes from a good program. Good family. Very Smart. If he's not there, We'll get Garoppolo. Or we'll get Garoppolo in the 3rd, or we'll get McCarron in the 5th.
Bill: Uh... What about Tommy? Can we get Tommy?
Rick: Absolutely, whatever you want.

So who's fault is it that we didn't get Garoppolo? IMO, neither. They had a plan, they had contingencies, they had a good draft. They worked together & got players they liked.





 
Yep, teams with owners who are not football experts but want to be in the decision room are destined for failure. Irsay is the worst but McNair is getting just as bad. People give Jones a hard time but he has been involved in football most of his life and at least played at a major collegiate level. Irsay, McNair, Jones, and the late Davis are the only owners I remember seeing speak about the personnel direction and needs of their team. McNair needs to be more like Craft, sit up in your box with a girl friend younger than your children and get drunk.

McNair runs the team to much like a business. The fans are his customer and he influences decisions in a way that he thinks will keep the fans happy and optimistic for the future. Bob being a strong voice for the fans is great for financial success, just not conducive for success on the field.
 
thunderkyss said:
Bob is at the top.

Then he has O'b, Rick, & Jim Rootes

Below O'b are all the coaches & trainers. Below Rick are all the scouts & the contract people. Below Rootes is all the marketing & operations & all that kind of stuff.

The hierarchy is clear.
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You forgot Cal McNair, vice chairman and chief operating officer. He's got a seat in the boardroom and gets a say, as well.
 
What part of the structure brought in Ed Reed and Brock O ?

My theory is if you really like a QB and think he may be there in round 3 , you better take him in round 2 . If you have a high 1 and don't like a QB that much , you take the best player . If a guy you like is there at the end of the 1st but you don't believe he'll make it to you , trade up . You get a really good player and your QB in the same draft , not bad .
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There is no way that this has not been a major factor in the apparent ceiling this organization has had. With successful teams, hierarchies are clearly established in the personnel decision making process..........and business operations and personnel operations are distinctly separate entities. One doesn't try to interfere with the other's workings. What other successful organization has a "tie" between the GM and the HC taken to the owner for final player decisions......an owner that apparently knows (and would be expected to know) less about the football personnel than many fans? Without an established hierarchy, responsibility for personnel decisions cannot be assigned..........and mistakes of repeated poor judgement swept under the rug with little chance to really get the organization back "on the right track" since there is no mechanism to display who is really keeps sabotaging the rails.
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Sounds like there might be a position in the franchise structure where Brian Gaine could be the tie breaker.

Let the McNair's sit back and count their money. Seems that is what they do best.

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CloakNNNdagger said:
There is no way that this has not been a major factor in the apparent ceiling this organization has had. With successful teams, hierarchies are clearly established in the personnel decision making process..........and business operations and personnel operations are distinctly separate entities. One doesn't try to interfere with the other's workings. What other successful organization has a "tie" between the GM and the HC taken to the owner for final player decisions......an owner that apparently knows (and would be expected to know) less about the football personnel than many fans? Without an established hierarchy, responsibility for personnel decisions cannot be assigned..........and mistakes of repeated poor judgement swept under the rug with little chance to really get the organization back "on the right track" since there is no mechanism to display who is really keeps sabotaging the rails.
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Poor O'b
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There is no way that this has not been a major factor in the apparent ceiling this organization has had. With successful teams, hierarchies are clearly established in the personnel decision making process..........and business operations and personnel operations are distinctly separate entities. One doesn't try to interfere with the other's workings. What other successful organization has a "tie" between the GM and the HC taken to the owner for final player decisions......an owner that apparently knows (and would be expected to know) less about the football personnel than many fans? Without an established hierarchy, responsibility for personnel decisions cannot be assigned..........and mistakes of repeated poor judgement swept under the rug with little chance to really get the organization back "on the right track" since there is no mechanism to display who is really keeps sabotaging the rails.
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Poor O'b
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There is no way that this has not been a major factor in the apparent ceiling this organization has had. With successful teams, hierarchies are clearly established in the personnel decision making process..........and business operations and personnel operations are distinctly separate entities. One doesn't try to interfere with the other's workings. What other successful organization has a "tie" between the GM and the HC taken to the owner for final player decisions......an owner that apparently knows (and would be expected to know) less about the football personnel than many fans? Without an established hierarchy, responsibility for personnel decisions cannot be assigned..........and mistakes of repeated poor judgement swept under the rug with little chance to really get the organization back "on the right track" since there is no mechanism to display who is really keeps sabotaging the rails.
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I have been preaching this exact same thing for at least the last 5 years. I have compared McNair to the Falcons first owner Rankin Smith and the Saints first owner John Mecom Jr. Both perennial losers, all incl McNair have similar Won-Loss records. There was a very orchestrated attempt to portray McNair as this hands off and one of the best owners in all of sports. With a few peeks behind the green curtain we know this not to be true. He is in fact a very hands on meddling owner.

As is the case in almost all sports, anything done by committee usually ends in disappointment and failure. The key to success is having one individual responsible for all football operations decisions, See Lombardi, Noll, Walsh, Johnson, Parcels, Belichick, Schramm, Carroll, Polian, Thompson, Newsome, NOT A BOARDROOM! The one common denominator for those listed is they all knew how to win more football games than their competition. The Texans could do the same by considering Urban Meyer, Jimbo Fisher or Chris Peterson.

Unfortunately I think they're going to have to pry McNair's NFL game controller from his hands. And that means no respectable Head Coach or General Manager will want to have anything to do with the Texans meddling owner and boardroom were everyone must make nice and agree. Except in the cases when the owner loses his cool and decides to go to Burger King and have it his way. As much as McNair wants to be like the Patriots, they are more like the Redskins.

If I had it my way, outside of not being able to hire Meyer, Fisher or Peterson, I would then take a chance on hiring either Peyton Manning or Eliot Wolf as my General Manager and only one football person would be responsible for all football decisions.

Other opinions, 1. When Cal McNair assumes control I think the Texans will be sold in less than five years. A. Because they will become even more dysfunctional than they already are. B. The McNair siblings will demand their fair share of the pie.

2. With Tom Coughlin in charge, running the show in Jacksonville and the single decision maker in JAX the Jags will challenge for Division Championship in 3 years or less.

3. I have said it before and I'll say it again, there are 4-to 5 draftniks here on this message board who can consistently year in and year out draft better than the Texans Boardroom.
 
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thunderkyss said:
When McNair finds his Belichick, I expect him to do just that.
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McNair may find his Belichick but it is very doubtful he would be able to hire him.

Honoring Earl 34 said:
What part of the structure brought in Ed Reed and Brock O ?

My theory is if you really like a QB and think he may be there in round 3 , you better take him in round 2 . If you have a high 1 and don't like a QB that much , you take the best player . If a guy you like is there at the end of the 1st but you don't believe he'll make it to you , trade up . You get a really good player and your QB in the same draft , not bad .
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That would be the Bob McNair NFL game Controller.
 
I would say for years we have had fans who complain about the GM or the Head Coach, but it seems like in the past 2yrs the number who are starting to see its Bob McNair at the root of most of the problems is growing by the day. McNair got a pass for a while because of paying that large amount to get the NFL back in Houston but we are starving for a winner and not delivering the goods won't be good enough to satisfy us any more.
 
texanhead08 said:
I would say for years we have had fans who complain about the GM or the Head Coach, but it seems like in the past 2yrs the number who are starting to see its Bob McNair at the root of most of the problems is growing by the day. McNair got a pass for a while because of paying that large amount to get the NFL back in Houston but we are starving for a winner and not delivering the goods won't be good enough to satisfy us any more.
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And we're tired of that Clay Walker song .
 
texanhead08 said:
I would say for years we have had fans who complain about the GM or the Head Coach, but it seems like in the past 2yrs the number who are starting to see its Bob McNair at the root of most of the problems is growing by the day. McNair got a pass for a while because of paying that large amount to get the NFL back in Houston but we are starving for a winner and not delivering the goods won't be good enough to satisfy us any more.
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Finally

I could see the Texans suffering the same fate as the Oilers in the future.
 
The lack of organizational hierarchy or the Dysfunctional McNairs sure seem to have gone in to this off season GUN SHY after the Osweiler fiasco. They
look like the dog with his tail between his legs.

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Texian said:
The lack of organizational hierarchy or the Dysfunctional McNairs sure seem to have gone in to this off season GUN SHY after the Osweiler fiasco. They
look like the dog with his tail between his legs.

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The FO is evidently running scared of making another monumental screw up because they are running out of excuses and only have one guy they are willing to make the fall guy. And that fall guy is looking more and more like just that...........the fall guy for every major personnel mistake. And that pattern is now not getting past most close followers of the team. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, screw you...........
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
What part of the structure brought in Ed Reed and Brock O ?

My theory is if you really like a QB and think he may be there in round 3 , you better take him in round 2 . If you have a high 1 and don't like a QB that much , you take the best player . If a guy you like is there at the end of the 1st but you don't believe he'll make it to you , trade up . You get a really good player and your QB in the same draft , not bad .
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The Ed Reed situation is a very good question, because we know some things for certain due to public comments by the owner and coaches and actual actions.

McNair made public comments about needing a guy like Reed to, in his words, "toughen up the team". He did not consult with one of the most respected defensive coordinators in the league when he hired him (according to Wade himself), and sent his personal jet to pick up Reed and deliver him to Houston.

I do not think you can read too much into that situation. It clearly reveals some very basic aspects of how this team is run behind the scenes.

And now this entire franchise has its tail between its legs about using a high draft pick on a QB. It's pathetic, really, and really gets to the point of making me wonder about the why of following this dysfunctional nonsense.

Of course, I'm a football fan, so I'll tune in, but my enthusiasm has been waning and it often feels like an obligation to watch rather than a passion as a fan. I used to wonder how Browns fans kept themselves interested, but I no longer wonder and have started understanding it.
 
I think some of us are just looking for someone to hate.

Maybe the AFCSouth is the weakest division in the league, but that didn't just happen. There was a time when this was the weakest division in the league & the Texans were at the bottom of it.

4 of the last six years, the Texans have been on top of it.

No, that's not the same as being World Champions. But it's progress to go from the worst team in a division to the best team in the division.

To expect them to go from worst team in the worst division to the best team in the league in five years is like expecting the Browns or the Jags to win it all in 2017.

This teams first winning season was only 8 years ago. Before that they were an expansion team & four years before that they were a bad expansion team.

In that time they've traded 2 second round picks on Matt Schaub, signed former top 10 pick Matt Lienart, signed former first round pick Brandon Weeden, signed former 2nd round pick Brock Osweiler.

Not a lot of draft picks, but that's not ignoring the position.
 
thunderkyss said:
To expect them to go from worst team in the worst division to the best team in the league in five years is like expecting the Browns or the Jags to win it all in 2017.
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It's not that simple. The Browns and the Jaguars FO haven't every year been trying to disingenuously convince their fans that they are really prepared to compete for the SuperBowl.............repeatedly "on the right track"...............while repeatedly making poorer and poorer decisions leading right off the tracks.
 
Double Barrel said:
The Ed Reed situation is a very good question, because we know some things for certain due to public comments by the owner and coaches and actual actions.

McNair made public comments about needing a guy like Reed to, in his words, "toughen up the team". He did not consult with one of the most respected defensive coordinators in the league when he hired him (according to Wade himself), and sent his personal jet to pick up Reed and deliver him to Houston.

I do not think you can read too much into that situation. It clearly reveals some very basic aspects of how this team is run behind the scenes.

And now this entire franchise has its tail between its legs about using a high draft pick on a QB. It's pathetic, really, and really gets to the point of making me wonder about the why of following this dysfunctional nonsense.

Of course, I'm a football fan, so I'll tune in, but my enthusiasm has been waning and it often feels like an obligation to watch rather than a passion as a fan. I used to wonder how Browns fans kept themselves interested, but I no longer wonder and have started understanding it.
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The ebb and flow of fandom . I think in Houston we would like to at least get into the AFC championship this year . This feat led by an inexperienced QB who now has that under his belt an is primed to take it to the next level . In the back of our minds we see the next 4o years like this . Tom Brady lll has once again knocked the Texans out of the first round of the playoffs . The Texans were led by Cal Bob Mcnair at QB , the grandson of Cal Mcnair owner . CB was given a 120 million dollar contract and a lifetime services contract with HEB . Cal Bob was the third team QB at UTSA but oozes with potential according to GM Brock Smith . :goodbad:
 
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This is just how it started for Tom Brady.


Except the part about backing up a franchise QB, stepping up when said QB was injured, & earning the position by his play on the field. Other than that, this is a exactly the same situation.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The FO is evidently running scared of making another monumental screw up because they are running out of excuses and only have one guy they are willing to make the fall guy. And that fall guy is looking more and more like just that...........the fall guy for every major personnel mistake. And that pattern is now not getting past most close followers of the team. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, screw you...........
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Been saying this since 2010, fans are beginning to wake up. The lack of activity in FA this yr should be a real eye opener to tell fans something not good is going on behind the scenes.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It's not that simple. The Browns and the Jaguars FO haven't every year been trying to disingenuously convince their fans that they are really prepared to compete for the SuperBowl.............repeatedly "on the right track"...............while repeatedly making poorer and poorer decisions leading right off the tracks.
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All the while being worried about making franchise altering hard decisions, because those decisions could be too traumatic.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think some of us are just looking for someone to hate.

Maybe the AFCSouth is the weakest division in the league, but that didn't just happen. There was a time when this was the weakest division in the league & the Texans were at the bottom of it.

4 of the last six years, the Texans have been on top of it.

No, that's not the same as being World Champions. But it's progress to go from the worst team in a division to the best team in the division.

To expect them to go from worst team in the worst division to the best team in the league in five years is like expecting the Browns or the Jags to win it all in 2017.

This teams first winning season was only 8 years ago. Before that they were an expansion team & four years before that they were a bad expansion team.

In that time they've traded 2 second round picks on Matt Schaub, signed former top 10 pick Matt Lienart, signed former first round pick Brandon Weeden, signed former 2nd round pick Brock Osweiler.

Not a lot of draft picks, but that's not ignoring the position.
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I'd rather watch the 2009 and 2010 teams over the 2015 and 2016 teams any ******* day.

Division titles don't mean jack when your team is trash and plays like trash and has no identity and is a guarantee to fail in the playoffs against anyone that's actually good.

This franchise has been regressing and regressing hard. And worse yet, it's happened all under the guise of "improvement."
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I'd rather watch the 2009 and 2010 teams over the 2015 and 2016 teams any ******* day.

Division titles don't mean jack when your team is trash and plays like trash and has no identity and is a guarantee to fail in the playoffs against anyone that's actually good.

This franchise has been regressing and regressing hard. And worse yet, it's happened all under the guise of "improvement."
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Shouldn't this post be in the drunk Texan talk thread?
 
steelbtexan said:
Finally

I could see the Texans suffering the same fate as the Oilers in the future.
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See, there you are delusional and I don't mean to be insulting by saying that. I'm being realistic. In here we talk to each other and it's like we're in our own little fan-zone "Cone of Silence" where we talk about them like the rest of the city sees them the way we do. They do not. The Texans were not constructed for you and I, or for most of us really. We are a welcome component in what made them successful but if Texans talk closed up shop and every single one of us regular posters here walked away the Houston Texans wouldn't even miss a beat. We see a football team but most of the rest of this city sees a party that happens 10 or more times a year and it's a party they love going to. The Oiler's never had that kind of fun to offer. This is a different animal in a different era.

Has a Houston Texans game ever not sold out?

Totally honest question here. Can you really, honestly picture a time when a Houston Texans game won't sell out? Now sure you probably can say "What about 4-5 years of 2-14 or 1-15 seasons in a row?" and I'd respond with "The Texans brain trust may not be the 1970's Steelers or even the 1990's Cowboys brain trusts but they're good enough to avoid consistent losing seasons. We have our 2-14 years every now and then but we have always bounced back and we probably always will. While we long for dominating winning seasons with 12-14 victories we get at or around .500 seasons and so we're unlikely to ever see those long stretches of misery the Oiler's were known for.

On top of that the media in this town has never been great but it's not even what it once was. It used to be that the Post and Chronicle were staffed by very good sports writers who held the Oiler's toes to the fire when they screwed up. They were the primary source for news about the team and so they actually would dig for news. The "Chronic" of our time just dutifully reports what the Texans send them and since the internet got involved there's a small mountain of worthless writing and information about the team that in no way translates into their actual attendance numbers. All these dumb-ass blog sites are only as good as the person writing for them and most of them know nothing of interest about the team that we can't all also get from houstontexans.com, nfl.com, espn.com, and houstonchronicle.com. In most of those cases it will be the exact same story leaving "BigBullBlogTexansFans.com" to write mostly ill-informed opinion pieces that their handful of readers agree with but that nobody going to a game for a good time gives a flying fucknut about.

Nobody is going to rouse the rabble with a Bleacher Report slideshow.

The Houston Texans will be here as long as they want to be. You might turn on them. I might turn on them. All of the regular posters on Texans talk might turn on them but that next Sunday the party will be in full swing and whether the Texans win or lose that game won't make any difference because it's all about having a good time in a family-safe environment and the Houston Texans are masters of that game.

steelbtexan said:
Been saying this since 2010, fans are beginning to wake up. The lack of activity in FA this yr should be a real eye opener to tell fans something not good is going on behind the scenes.
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You've been wrong about this since 2010. I know they look the same from in here but no, the fans are not "beginning to wake up". It's just not going to happen my friend.

Points for perseverance though.
 
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There were game days last year when I found other ways to spend my time.

If the team is as boring and predictable again as last year, I will again find other ways to spend my time.

When I no longer care to watch at all, I will quit watching. I can't be mad or upset because it isn't costing me anything.

I am sure that McNair has a copy of PT Barnums famous quote on his desk or hanging on the wall in his office.

Fans, myself included, rail against the godfather, but he is doing exactly what he is paid to do.

He takes care of McNairs cap money. Reminds me of me. I shop at Wal-Mart and the Dollar Store instead of Rodeo Drive.

:coffee:
 
If the roots are poisoned the flowers won't blossom.

While I like McNair on a personal level, and will be eternally grateful for helping to bring back football to Houston - he's not a good owner.

Hire someone to make the right decisions and then hold them accountable when they don't. This whole notion of well when there is a tie, they come to me is BS. In my world, there are no ties. The GM is in charge of personnel. The coach coaches them. Period. Of course there will be some back and forth and a good GM will consult with the HC, but ultimately the GM is the man with the plan.

Right now, there's too many cooks in the kitchen, and that soup tastes nasty as a result.

Ricky is also WAY too tight with the ownership here - yet another issue.

Bottom line - all roads lead back to the McNair mansion.
 
cuppacoffee said:
There were game days last year when I found other ways to spend my time.

If the team is as boring and predictable again as last year, I will again find other ways to spend my time.

When I no longer care to watch at all, I will quit watching. I can't be mad or upset because it isn't costing me anything.

I am sure that McNair has a copy of PT Barnums famous quote on his desk or hanging on the wall in his office.

Fans, myself included, rail against the godfather, but he is doing exactly what he is paid to do.

He takes care of McNairs cap money. Reminds me of me. I shop at Wal-Mart and the Dollar Store instead of Rodeo Drive.

:coffee:
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Excellent post Hervoyel. It used to be that NFL attendance would wax and wane in relationship to performance of the team...........seat licenses have changed all that..........and not for the good.
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It may be better, but there is still some correlation. The games sell out, but attendance doesn't always. I've been to several games where there were several empty seats.


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I love that song. Really.
 
thunderkyss said:
It may be better, but there is still some correlation. The games sell out, but attendance doesn't always. I've been to several games where there were several empty seats.
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That's always been the case, but McNair will never feel it in the pocketbook unless "paid attendance" suffers. As Doc mentioned, PSLs help to negate that possibility greatly.
 
infantrycak said:
Someone is going to have to explain how the OWNER having final say is a lack of hierarchy.
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I cannot speak for CloakNNNdagger, but reading his initial post in this thread, I do not think he denies there is a form of hierarchy on Kirby. But, rather, it is a dysfunctional hierarchy with no clear delineation of power that you see with successful teams.

I do not know of any championship-caliber football teams where the owner decides to hire a broken, old player without consulting with the specific coordinator, and then proceed to publicly call his own team soft.

I guess my ultimate question would be if McNair would ever hire a coach like Tom Landry, Bill Parcells, Chuck Knoll, Bill Belichick, etc.? Would these coaches demand too much power for his particular style of organizational hierarchy?
 
Double Barrel said:
I guess my ultimate question would be if McNair would ever hire a coach like Tom Landry, Bill Parcells, Chuck Knoll, Bill Belichick, etc.? Would these coaches demand too much power for his particular style of organizational hierarchy?
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Good question. I feel McNair was as hands off as you could be with Capers & Kubiak. I know he liked the idea of drafting David Carr, but I don't know that he forced anyone's hand to draft him. I know he asked Kubiak if he could work with him, I do not know that Kubiak wouldn't have got the job had he said no.

Still, for the most part, he let Capers/Casserly & Kubiak/Smith do what they wanted to do, until their decisions appeared contrary to goal of the team.

I think it was more or less the same with O'b, though it appears he's not as patient as he used to be. O'b/Smith brought in Fitzpatrick, Mallett, Savage, Hoyer... I think McNair had every right to demand they stop screwing around & fix the QB position. A lot like many of the posters here are saying. & I think it's been that way with every decision McNair stepped in on. After seven years of seeing a mentally weak team, he went out & got Ed Reed. In theory that made sense. Getting rid of Glover was not his idea.

Anyway, if you had a Tom Landry, Bill Parcells, or whoever come in here & show they are more than capable of handling their business, I doubt McNair would make many decisions for the football operation at all.
 
Personally I think MvNair would love to be like Kraft and just sit back and watch the trophies pile up. I think Kraft only feels he can do that because he has the hood. Belicheck has the power and free reign he does because he has shown he knows what he's doing.

None of the front office or coaches from the first game the Texans played to last season with NE has shown that fully. It's just like any other job, show you can take care of your business and most bosses leave you alone because they have other things to worry about. It's only when you aren't showing that it's under control that the boss steps in.

I don't think either Smith or O'Brien has really shown they got this in the bag to the point McNair feels comfortable sitting back and giving free reign.

We talk about things like Osweilers contract but forget that to us it's just a number, we have no real skin in the game. To McNair that's not just a number that's money out of his pocket.

Be honest if it was your millions on the line would you give the keys to the kingdom over to anyone without keeping your finger on the panic button.
 
thunderkyss said:
Anyway, if you had a Tom Landry, Bill Parcells, or whoever come in here & show they are more than capable of handling their business, I doubt McNair would make many decisions for the football operation at all.
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maverick512000 said:
Personally I think MvNair would love to be like Kraft and just sit back and watch the trophies pile up. I think Kraft only feels he can do that because he has the hood. Belicheck has the power and free reign he does because he has shown he knows what he's doing.
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I'd love to feel like you guys do, but McNair involving his son deeply in football operations (including the draft) early on screams "Jerry Jones", not "Robert Kraft" to me.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Good question. I feel McNair was as hands off as you could be with Capers & Kubiak. I know he liked the idea of drafting David Carr, but I don't know that he forced anyone's hand to draft him. I know he asked Kubiak if he could work with him, I do not know that Kubiak wouldn't have got the job had he said no.

Still, for the most part, he let Capers/Casserly & Kubiak/Smith do what they wanted to do, until their decisions appeared contrary to goal of the team.

I think it was more or less the same with O'b, though it appears he's not as patient as he used to be. O'b/Smith brought in Fitzpatrick, Mallett, Savage, Hoyer... I think McNair had every right to demand they stop screwing around & fix the QB position. A lot like many of the posters here are saying. & I think it's been that way with every decision McNair stepped in on. After seven years of seeing a mentally weak team, he went out & got Ed Reed. In theory that made sense. Getting rid of Glover was not his idea.

Anyway, if you had a Tom Landry, Bill Parcells, or whoever come in here & show they are more than capable of handling their business, I doubt McNair would make many decisions for the football operation at all.
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In the beginning, I think McNair was too new to the industry to assert himself. He handled it like any CEO of a large corporation. Hire what he perceived as competent people and let them run it. That's why it was Charlie Casserly and Dom Capers (although I think the other owners pulled a quick on on McNair with those recommendations).

fwiw, Sean Jones was interviewed by Casserly to be a capologist for the team. Jones was asked his thoughts on the first overall pick in the 2002 draft, and he suggested Julius Peppers. Casserly said they were looking at David Carr as "the face of the franchise". Marketing company with a football division clearly at work in the early days. Sell that merch!

Over the years, I think McNair has grown more comfortable in asserting himself whenever he feels the need to do it. It's his team, so he obviously has that right.

However, just because he has the right to that power does not necessarily mean that he knows how to use it. And tbh, I don't think he's at the level of Jerry Jones, although I do agree with disaacks3 with his point about Cal in the power structure.

That said, I believe we clearly see McNair's power with the seemingly unaccountable Rick Smith. McNair does not have to get his hands dirty when he's got a lapdog for a GM. Smith is anything but a traditional strong GM like you see with many teams. I think he shares power to the extent that he does not have to accept all of the blame, and that keeps him in the good graces of the owner. At some point, you'd think they would seek an upgrade at GM after a decade+ of stagnate results, but instead they extend his contract so Cal's BFF can stay until he probably retires.
 
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