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The Texans..........a lack of organizational hierarchy

To see what some in this forum have to say, it would seem our Texans have finished dead last in our weak division the better part of the last five or so seasons.

I see a team on the cusp of being a top team in the league.

Are there some concerns? Of coarse, but I don't feel they are as bad as some here seem to think.

I can see us having a team at least worthy of our conferences championship game if we get the kind of quarterback play O'b feels he needs.

Our team with key players staying mostly healthy can be among the best in the league.

I can see Savage having a great season if he can stay healthy.

PS. Don't forget that the last two titles by the NY Giants were coming off of 9-7 seasons .
 
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Deja vu from HT.com Rick Smith interview:

So you feel like the additions next weekend in the NFL Draft will be enough to say you have a championship-level team?

“I do. I think we’ll be good and I think we’ll continue to look to add. We are always looking to add talent to this football team. It’s not just reduced to free agency and the draft. We’re constantly looking at what’s available, whether it is what’s available on the street or what’s available via trade. We’re constantly trying to retool and look at this roster to improve it. But I think we’ve got a good football team, yes.”


Again, unlike the Browns and Jaguars.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
To see what some in this forum have to say, it would seem our Texans have finished dead last in our weak division the better part of the last five or so seasons.

I see a team on the cusp of being a top team in the league.

Are there some concerns? Of coarse, but I don't feel they are as bad as some here seem to think.

I can see us having a team at least worthy of our conferences championship game if we get the kind of quarterback play O'b feels he needs.

Our team with key players staying mostly healthy can be among the best in the league.

I can see Savage having a great season if he can stay healthy.

PS. Don't forget that the last two titles by the NY Giants were coming off of 9-7 seasons .
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I agree. Even with Brock Fr'kn Osweiler, we were closer to that AFC Championship game than many here would give us credit for. Heck, for all we know if O'b had just changed his approach with Osweiler where they weren't fighting each other... or if we had a real OC, like McCoy or Baby Shanny instead of Detroit's defensive assistant, we may have been in that AFC Championship game.
 
Double Barrel said:
I cannot speak for CloakNNNdagger, but reading his initial post in this thread, I do not think he denies there is a form of hierarchy on Kirby. But, rather, it is a dysfunctional hierarchy with no clear delineation of power that you see with successful teams.

I do not know of any championship-caliber football teams where the owner decides to hire a broken, old player without consulting with the specific coordinator, and then proceed to publicly call his own team soft.

I guess my ultimate question would be if McNair would ever hire a coach like Tom Landry, Bill Parcells, Chuck Knoll, Bill Belichick, etc.? Would these coaches demand too much power for his particular style of organizational hierarchy?
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McNair is counter-productive to his football team's success. First he created a Country Club atmosphere for his Players. Then he complains because they were to soft. Then he buys them all Lettermen Jackets. He loses his temper and fires Kubiak. He loses his temper and signs Brock Osweiler to a Top 10 QB contract. I have serious doubts that any serious successful coach, such as those you mentioned would give Bob McNair and the Houston Texans a first thought. The same doubts for a any Top notch successful GM. Why subject themselves to a dysfunctional organization designed for failure? I think McNair suffers from the same complex that led Jerry Jones to fire Jimmy Johnson, they want all the credit, all the fun and all the glory. Unlike Jerry, Bob doesn't feel the need to be the Circus Ringmaster.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Deja vu from HT.com Rick Smith interview:

So you feel like the additions next weekend in the NFL Draft will be enough to say you have a championship-level team?

“I do. I think we’ll be good and I think we’ll continue to look to add. We are always looking to add talent to this football team. It’s not just reduced to free agency and the draft. We’re constantly looking at what’s available, whether it is what’s available on the street or what’s available via trade. We’re constantly trying to retool and look at this roster to improve it. But I think we’ve got a good football team, yes.”


Again, unlike the Browns and Jaguars.
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To this I ask, if Tom Savage wasn't good enough last year that McNair & Co. had to resort to the desperate signing of Osweiler to an enormous contract, then why is Savage good enough this year?
 
Texian said:
I Concur
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With what Zerlein said, it should make perfect sense that O'Brien this year especially will be purposefully left out of the decision making tree. Have you happened to notice that in years past, participation was at least obvious by nonstop reports of O'Brien specifically attending workouts and Pro Days leading up to the Draft ...............this year extremely scant reports of such contacts........mostly crickets. This year, the Texans are not even being subtle about their exclusion of O'Brien from what should be an important aspect of a HC's function.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
With what Zerlein said, it should make perfect sense that O'Brien this year especially will be purposefully left out of the decision making tree. Have you happened to notice that in years past, participation was at least obvious by nonstop reports of O'Brien specifically attending workouts and Pro Days leading up to the Draft ...............this year extremely scant reports of such contacts........mostly crickets. This year, the Texans are not even being subtle about their exclusion of O'Brien from what should be an important aspect of a HC's function.
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I like this development. This puts it all on Smith's shoulders. I wouldn't be surprised if OB is purposefully leaving himself out to expose Smith and distancing himself from the draft so that if Smith wins out in Houston, OB doesn't have the stench of this draft on him and gives him somewhat plausible deniability on previous draft when interviewing for his new HC gig. OB will want total control in the future, ala BB.
 
DocBar said:
I like this development. This puts it all on Smith's shoulders. I wouldn't be surprised if OB is purposefully leaving himself out to expose Smith and distancing himself from the draft so that if Smith wins out in Houston, OB doesn't have the stench of this draft on him and gives him somewhat plausible deniability on previous draft when interviewing for his new HC gig. OB will want total control in the future, ala BB.
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Bill can want in one hand & sht in the other, blah, blah, blah...

I don't know what makes O'b the hero in all this. & distancing himself from the draft isn't going to help. If we're saying in most organizations the GM picks the players & the coach coaches the players, he's most likely going to go into a situation that's worse than what he has here, where Rick works with his coaches to get them the players he wants.

In every situation there's going to be a situation where they want a player that they miss on because the draft didn't fall their way. If we're talking about Garoppolo (I can't imagine who else were talking about) I'd need to know O'b was pounding the table to take JimmyG with #32 & Rick told him to f'ck off, before I get upset about it. I don't think Rick works that way.

Like everything else I'm sure the powers that be discussed it & came to a consensus. If O'b didn't speak up, that's on him. If he struggled to argue his point, the way he can't seem to handle a press conference, that's on him.

& if anything, that's what the evidence points to. They got together as a group, discussed Osweiller & O'b didn't fight hard enough for Savage, or drafting Hackenberg (who none of you wanted) that he agreed to Osweiller then flopped when Osweiller challenged him.

& to tell you the truth, I don't have a problem with O'Brien. I hope he is the coach you all think he is & that they find a way to work together & get us what we want. A Championship. But all this, "O'b doesn't like this, or that." Crapp is making O'b look like a little *****. & he's holding simple minded Ricky McNair's pocket.

Every other coach is getting the players they want, but not poor Bill.

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