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Sellout for Deshaun Watson

TexansSeminole said:
I can't say there was a single game where I came away thinking Osweiler looked good. Maybe a play or throw here and there, sure, but not a full game.
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What was it about the Oakland game where you thought he didn't look good? Honest question. He had a 1st half that just about everyone around here said if he had played that way all season, this team would have been much better. The second half OB called 7 total pass plays, completely negating Brock from the game. I'm not saying that his performance was All-World. I'm not saying it was a great game. But you are saying that wasn't even a good game, meaning you felt he played a poor game. Not defending Brock against the overall abysmal season. Simply interested in how you came to that conclusion about this particular game.
 
santo said:
He needed a good OC that can be able to tell the difference between Carr, Savage, Bortles, McCarron, etc. I think OB's downfall is not being able to tell the difference between a good quarterback to a decent one to a horrible one.

This is the same man that told the city of Houston that we should be proud of guys like Fitz and Hoyer. He really needed an OC that was able to evaluate qb's and can find plays that help the players like all the other good coordinators do.
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He needed a good GM.
 
steelbtexan said:
He was avg against Oakland.

Against the Colts he had a great 5 mins. For the rest of the game he stunk.

Even if Os gets better it still wont make him anymore than bad, instead of historically bad.
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More or less I agree. I don't think he ever put together a good game. However, I think he had a bit more than a handful of good drives. Through out the year I pointed to play calling & game planing as possible problems. I think an OC should be able to identify what his team is good at & what they're not good at. Then work on doing more of what they're good at. There should be a concerted effort towards putting good drives together, which leads to good qtrs, which lead to good halfs, which lead to good games, which lead to good seasons. Osweiler had his issues, but he wasn't the only one.

I understand there comes a time when you know you've done the best you can. & if that's what we saw last season, I have no confidence in this offensive staff. You can bring in Brady, Luck, Romo, Mariota, even McCarron & we'll still finish the season thinking we have a QB problem.

& yes, there is nothing... absolutely nothing Brock could do to earn the money he's getting paid. Short of being the 2017 Super Bowl MVP I can't see how we can not cut him for 2018. So I fully support drafting the best QB we can get in 2017. If that means we trade away the 2017 & 2018 draft, so be it. If that means we get him in the 2nd/3rd round (Peterman) so be it.
 
steelbtexan said:
O'Brien sure is acting like a man who doesn't want to be here under the current conditions.

Wouldn't you agree?
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Don't agree at all. O'Brien strikes me as a straight-shooter who would quit before compromising his principles.

I know this, our offense has progressively gotten worse since he's been here.
According to Football Outsiders the Texans' offense was ranked 30th this past season. That's down from 24th in 2015 and 21st in 2014. That doesn't appear to be progress.
See for yourself....
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For reference we were 29th the year we went 2-14. In other words, our offense is worse than when he got here.
 
ObsiWan said:
Don't agree at all. O'Brien strikes me as a straight-shooter who would quit before compromising his principles.

I know this, our offense has progressively gotten worse since he's been here.
According to Football Outsiders the Texans' offense was ranked 30th this past season. That's down from 24th in 2015 and 21st in 2014. That doesn't appear to be progress.
See for yourself....
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For reference we were 29th the year we went 2-14. In other words, our offense is worse than when he got here.
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o brien a straight shooter? WHAT?
 
Watson impressed me with his big game ability enough to overlook his mechanical flaws and spotty decision making. You can teach footwork and defensive reading. You can't teach intestinal fortitude against insurmountable odds.

Mahomes threw a 78 yard pass during his pro day. Big deal right? The 78 yards were entirely airborn.

One of those guys will be there in the first round, question is are they ready for prime time day 1? Sorry I can find no optimism with Savage,Weeden or any other available FA under center I'd rather take the lumps with a rook.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Watson impressed me with his big game ability enough to overlook his mechanical flaws and spotty decision making. You can teach footwork and defensive reading. You can't teach intestinal fortitude against insurmountable odds.

Mahomes threw a 78 yard pass during his pro day. Big deal right? The 78 yards were entirely airborn.

One of those guys will be there in the first round, question is are they ready for prime time day 1? Sorry I can find no optimism with Savage,Weeden or any other available FA under center I'd rather take the lumps with a rook.
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his release point is too low, too many INTs in a QB friendly system, and his 49 MPH throwing velocity is troublesome
 
amazing80 said:
I think it's time for us to make a big move and go up and grab the best. I am tired of watching us draft project QBs and bring in trash free agents. Sell the farm and move up for Watson, let him start from day 1. I want a bonafide star and proven winner. He brings athleticism we've never had at the position and his accuracy will flourish in this dink and dunk system.

Sign a couple free agents on the oline and let this kid command our offense.
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Meh, I'll pass on the next VY/RG3/Pryor style QB.

Most of the athletic black QB's have either been busts or short term project QB's in this league. They can't talk about it for fear of being labeled racist, but I sat back and counted up a ton that had been drafted high over the last 10 years and most of them have been failures. It just doesn't get talked about.
 
Texecutioner said:
Meh, I'll pass on the next VY/RG3/Pryor style QB.

Most of the athletic black QB's have either been busts or short term project QB's in this league. They can't talk about it for fear of being labeled racist, but I sat back and counted up a ton that had been drafted high over the last 10 years and most of them have been failures. It just doesn't get talked about.
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Dak? Cam?
 
zshawn10 said:
Dak? Cam?
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Dak is only a one year player for now, so I can't count one season as a successful QB. However, I definitely think he will. I don't see him as what I was describing though. Dak is more like James Winston type to me than he isn't the type of guys I was describing. Cam has been successful, and I didn't think he'd be either so that was a guy that did pretty well. I'm talking more about the guys that are closer to dual threat talents then being highly touted because they are expected to become all world passers. Most haven't fared so well in the last 10 years. RG3 was the best looking one over the last 10 years to me, and his career ended horribly. I was also thinking more from a perspective of high draft pick QB talents. Russel Wilson and Dak were both flyers that turned into gold.
 
Not sure if we will sellout for him, but I'm happy we're bringing him in for the next two days. I really think his skill set fits this offense perfectly.
 
Texecutioner said:
Meh, I'll pass on the next VY/RG3/Pryor style QB.

Most of the athletic black QB's have either been busts or short term project QB's in this league. They can't talk about it for fear of being labeled racist, but I sat back and counted up a ton that had been drafted high over the last 10 years and most of them have been failures. It just doesn't get talked about.
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This is so racist of a remark, I dont even want to comment.
 
leebigeztx said:
Thing is his mechanics and throwing motion are good and doesn't need repair. I see him in the mcnabb mold.
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McNabb had a great arm though.

I liked McNabb a lot, it bothers me that he vomited at the beginning of a potential GW SB drive.
 
steelbtexan said:
McNabb had a great arm though.

I liked McNabb a lot, it bothers me that he vomited at the beginning of a potential GW SB drive.
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Yeah , i used that comparison to try to fit alike players. I mean it took some foresight for reid to take a guy that ran the freeze option in college and take him to the superbowl. Thats why even with the gimmick offenses in college, a coach has to be able to project a guy. Watson right now is more polished than Cam. I mean people thought mariotta was gonna have a steep curve, but right now it looks like he's on his way. So I wouldn't limit myself to Trubinsky just because his college offense was more pro style. Whether its mahomes, watson,kizer,peterman, davis, or whomever, just get the guy that you think can be a high quality 10 yr starter.
 
steelbtexan said:
McNabb had a great arm though.

I liked McNabb a lot, it bothers me that he vomited at the beginning of a potential GW SB drive.
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Yeah , i used that comparison to try to fit alike players. I mean it took some foresight for reid to take a guy that ran the freeze option in college and take him to the superbowl. Thats why even with the gimmick offenses in college, a coach has to be able to project a guy. Watson right now is more polished than Cam. I mean people thought mariotta was gonna have a steep curve, but right now it looks like he's on his way. So I wouldn't limit myself to Trubinsky just because his college offense was more pro style. Whether its mahomes, watson,kizer,peterman, davis, or whomever, just get the guy that you think can be a high quality 10 yr starter.
 
leebigeztx said:
Yeah , i used that comparison to try to fit alike players. I mean it took some foresight for reid to take a guy that ran the freeze option in college and take him to the superbowl. Thats why even with the gimmick offenses in college, a coach has to be able to project a guy. Watson right now is more polished than Cam. I mean people thought mariotta was gonna have a steep curve, but right now it looks like he's on his way. So I wouldn't limit myself to Trubinsky just because his college offense was more pro style. Whether its mahomes, watson,kizer,peterman, davis, or whomever, just get the guy that you think can be a high quality 10 yr starter.
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If Mahomes falls to the Ravens pick I would trade up to get him. Otherwise give me Peterman/Kelly later. I like Trubisky but don't think he gets out of the top 10. I could see the Browns trading back into the top 10 for Trubisky.

Watson while more accomplished doesn't have anywhere near the physical gifts that Cam has. Don't like Davis/Not willing to wait, take a chance on Kizer. Mahomes and Kizer are very similar, but I think Mahomes has the it factor and Kizer doesn't.
 
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steelbtexan said:
If Mahomes falls to the Ravens pick I would trade up to get him. Otherwise give me Peterman/Kelly later. I like Trubisky but don't think he gets out of the top 10. I could see the Browns trading back into the top 10 for Trubisky.

Watson while more accomplished doesn't have anywhere near the physical gifts that Cam has. Don't like Davis/Not willing to wait, take a chance on Kizer. Mahomes and Kizer are very similar, but I think Mahomes has the it factor and Kizer doesn't.
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Watson has a humility and maturity that Cam didn't have, I'd argue that Cam still doesn't have it. There is a discrepancy in physical traits, but it's rarely the physical traits that makes a QB great.

I keep saying it, the mental game and poise are what is important for the QB position. We have no idea about the real mental makeup of this group. I hope the FO can find a way to scout that. What I do see in Watson is poise. Leading game winning drives after getting planted into the ground over and over.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Watson has a humility and maturity that Cam didn't have, I'd argue that Cam still doesn't have it. There is a discrepancy in physical traits, but it's rarely the physical traits that makes a QB great.

I keep saying it, the mental game and poise are what is important for the QB position. We have no idea about the real mental makeup of this group. I hope the FO can find a way to scout that. What I do see in Watson is poise. Leading game winning drives after getting planted into the ground over and over.
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This is why I wouldn't have a problem with Ricky picking Watson, even though he wouldn't be my 1st choice.
 
Texecutioner said:
Meh, I'll pass on the next VY/RG3/Pryor style QB.

Most of the athletic black QB's have either been busts or short term project QB's in this league. They can't talk about it for fear of being labeled racist, but I sat back and counted up a ton that had been drafted high over the last 10 years and most of them have been failures. It just doesn't get talked about.
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So did you also sit back and count the so called pocket passers that were busts? I guess mcnair, mcnabb, and even steve young was a bust, right? Tanneyhill is athletic, right? You're a racist, my reading comprehension is just fine!
 
ObsiWan said:
I'm curious if they put a speed gun on Montana or Brady back in the day, and if they did, what was their velocity?
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Brady didn't have a nfl arm when he entered the nfl. He worked on his core and body since then . Even now he has alot of limitations with power throws, but inside the hash marks between 0-15 yds, he is lethal. His mechanics are flawless.
 
leebigeztx said:
So did you also sit back and count the so called pocket passers that were busts? I guess mcnair, mcnabb, and even steve young was a bust, right? Tanneyhill is athletic, right? You're a racist, my reading comprehension is just fine!
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We can talk about the QB position, but we can't discuss the history of who has played and who has worked out and who hasn't? Are you to much of a p_ussy to discuss white RB's too? That has been a controversial topic for some, but most find that perfectly fine to discuss. Did the movie "White Men can't jump" offend you and get your panties in a such a wad too? This is a football thread. If you can't discuss the history of players that have been drafted and given chances to play, then take your racism and repitive whining to one of the social justice warrior riots. There are plenty going on right now.
 
Texecutioner said:
We can talk about the QB position, but we can't discuss the history of who has played and who has worked out and who hasn't? Are you to much of a p_ussy to discuss white RB's too? That has been a controversial topic for some, but most find that perfectly fine to discuss. Did the movie "White Men can't jump" offend you and get your panties in a such a wad too? This is a football thread. If you can't discuss the history of players that have been drafted and given chances to play, then take your racism and repitive whining to one of the social justice warrior riots. There are plenty going on right now.
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Thing is YOU are the one who went "Black QBs" instead of say, running QBs vs. pocket QBs. Running QBs could have included successes like Steve Young, Rodger the Dodger, and Cam Newton and busts like Johnny Manziel and 'incompletes' like Bridgewater (unless you think he's a 'running QB' just because he's Black).
 
ObsiWan said:
While it's not from 'back in the day', I can't imagine him not being able to sling it as fast then as he does now.
Thanks for the link!
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As far as Montana goes, I think with his "perfect" throwing mechanic and footwork, he should be able to generate plenty of power to fit the ball into tight windows when he needs to.
But with compact delivery and smart, it doesn't seem like he needs the power all that much.
Watch his SB game against the Broncos for example; I saw maybe just a few throws that need a zip.
 
ObsiWan said:
Thing is YOU are the one who went "Black QBs" instead of say, running QBs vs. pocket QBs. Running QBs could have included successes like Steve Young, Rodger the Dodger, and Cam Newton and busts like Johnny Manziel and 'incompletes' like Bridgewater (unless you think he's a 'running QB' just because he's Black).
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Thats all he could've said. Brett Favre ran the option in college. Jake Locker was a athletic qb, just like Tannehill who was a wr. Bortles went to college as a tight end and is athletic. Os and Foles were offered basketball scholarships and we all know Drew Brees and Tony Romo were high end athletes, but the racist whatever his name is interjected black. Made 0 sense to even bring that up.
 
Texecutioner said:
We can talk about the QB position, but we can't discuss the history of who has played and who has worked out and who hasn't? Are you to much of a p_ussy to discuss white RB's too? That has been a controversial topic for some, but most find that perfectly fine to discuss. Did the movie "White Men can't jump" offend you and get your panties in a such a wad too? This is a football thread. If you can't discuss the history of players that have been drafted and given chances to play, then take your racism and repitive whining to one of the social justice warrior riots. There are plenty going on right now.
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Thing is, unlike you, I see players as players. Classic example, Christian McCaffrey. I think he's going to be awesome in the nfl. He reminds me of mccoy and westbrook. It wasn't hard for me to compare him to those guys, but a racist like you would've probably said craig james or rocky bleir because thats as far as your tiny little mind would venture. See, you equate athletic as run fast in a line. In your pea brain, you probably use dumb words like sneaky fast to indicate a white guy is faster than what people think. There is no such thing as sneaky fast. Fast is fast. Chris Collinsworth is legendary for being a equal opportunity ass kicker on the track in Florida. Jordy Nelson wasnt deceptively fast, he was the state 200 m champ. To me, athletic is bendable,flexible, explosive. There have been alot of athletic, successful qbs both black and white. Dumb people like yourself just don't know how to tell the difference because you're a racist
 
leebigeztx said:
Thing is, unlike you, I see players as players. Classic example, Christian McCaffrey. I think he's going to be awesome in the nfl. He reminds me of mccoy and westbrook. It wasn't hard for me to compare him to those guys, but a racist like you would've probably said craig james or rocky bleir because thats as far as your tiny little mind would venture. See, you equate athletic as run fast in a line. In your pea brain, you probably use dumb words like sneaky fast to indicate a white guy is faster than what people think. There is no such thing as sneaky fast. Fast is fast. Chris Collinsworth is legendary for being a equal opportunity ass kicker on the track in Florida. Jordy Nelson wasnt deceptively fast, he was the state 200 m champ. To me, athletic is bendable,flexible, explosive. There have been alot of athletic, successful qbs both black and white. Dumb people like yourself just don't know how to tell the difference because you're a racist
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I think people forget how athletic Christian's father was too..

It's in that family's genes.. Ed McCaffrey at 6'5, 215 pounds ran a 4.47 40 back in the day. (Sports training has come a LONG way since then) I remember about 10 years ago when I used to play Madden, my favorite legacy team in that game was either the 97 or 98 Broncos (can't remember which one) I do remember he had a 97 speed rating.

His oldest son Max Mccaffrey (6'2 200 pounds who came out of Duke last year posted a 36½-inch vertical, a 10-2 broad jump and ran the 40-yard dash in 4.36
 
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Carr Bombed said:
I think people forget how athletic Christian's father was too..

It's in that family's genes.. Ed McCaffery at 6'5, 215 pounds ran a 4.47 40 back in the day.
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:thinking: 6'5", athletic, Broncos :thinking:


You talking about this guy?

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You can't be talking about Christian McCaffery's dad.
That dude's white.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I think people forget how athletic Christian's father was too..

It's in that family's genes.. Ed McCaffrey at 6'5, 215 pounds ran a 4.47 40 back in the day. (Sports training has come a LONG way since then) I remember about 10 years ago when I used to play Madden, my favorite legacy team in that game was either the 97 or 98 Broncos (can't remember which one) I do remember he had a 97 speed rating.

His oldest son Max Mccaffrey (6'2 200 pounds who came out of Duke last year posted a 36½-inch vertical, a 10-2 broad jump and ran the 40-yard dash in 4.36
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Danny Woodhead was a classic underestimated athlete. At his pro ran 4.33 and 4.38 with a 3 cone of 4.03. He also had a 38.5 vertical and 11 ft broad jump. All those are elite,explosive, athletic numbers. Yeah, he was at Charon state and he was 5'7 197lbs, but those were incredible numbers no matter what color he was. When I see a small school guy running by higher drafted guys, I go check his numbers. Woodhead was a elite athlete coming out.
 
leebigeztx said:
Thing is, unlike you, I see players as players. Classic example, Christian McCaffrey. I think he's going to be awesome in the nfl. He reminds me of mccoy and westbrook. It wasn't hard for me to compare him to those guys, but a racist like you would've probably said craig james or rocky bleir because thats as far as your tiny little mind would venture. See, you equate athletic as run fast in a line. In your pea brain, you probably use dumb words like sneaky fast to indicate a white guy is faster than what people think. There is no such thing as sneaky fast. Fast is fast. Chris Collinsworth is legendary for being a equal opportunity ass kicker on the track in Florida. Jordy Nelson wasnt deceptively fast, he was the state 200 m champ. To me, athletic is bendable,flexible, explosive. There have been alot of athletic, successful qbs both black and white. Dumb people like yourself just don't know how to tell the difference because you're a racist
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I'm going to dip my toes into this pool. Blck QB's haven't really been that successful in the NFL. I would say Doug Williams/McNabb (Who I really liked)/ Newton have all had varying degrees of success but only Williams got a SB. (Loved him too, a true trailblazer) He lead the way for Moon who I think was very overrated. I think Vick was the greatest waste of talent in the NFL in the last 20 yrs. What do y'all think of Kordell Stewart?

These are just my thoughts on some of the black QB's. I hope y'all don't think of me as racist. (Although it doesn't matter because I know what's in my heart.)

BTW, My picks for Texans QB in this yrs draft Rd.1 Patrick Mahomes/Rd. 4 Joshua Dobbs.
 
Number19 said:
Not particulaly. According to the link below, the average NFL speed is only about 51 mph. It's only low when compared to the elite Qb's like Brady.
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What link?

This should be the one.
http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/

The only guy that have ever done something in the NFL on that list with a low number is Tyrod Taylor, at 50.

He was a dual QB at VTech, and wasn't asked to throw much.
So he was taken in the sixth (I had wanted him somewhere in the 5th-6th as a project.)
And it took him several years to develop.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I think people forget how athletic Christian's father was too..

It's in that family's genes.. Ed McCaffrey at 6'5, 215 pounds ran a 4.47 40 back in the day. (Sports training has come a LONG way since then) I remember about 10 years ago when I used to play Madden, my favorite legacy team in that game was either the 97 or 98 Broncos (can't remember which one) I do remember he had a 97 speed rating.

His oldest son Max Mccaffrey (6'2 200 pounds who came out of Duke last year posted a 36½-inch vertical, a 10-2 broad jump and ran the 40-yard dash in 4.36
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The greatest jock in Mcaffreys family tree was on his mothers side not fathers because his maternal grand father was the legendary Duke sprinter, Dave Sime, who was an Olympic silver medalist who also routinely beat Olympic gold medal sprinter Bobby Morrow when they competed.
 
76Texan said:
What link?

This should be the one.
http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/

The only guy that have ever done something in the NFL on that list with a low number is Tyrod Taylor, at 50.

He was a dual QB at VTech, and wasn't asked to throw much.
So he was taken in the sixth (I had wanted him somewhere in the 5th-6th as a project.)
And it took him several years to develop.
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Here's a list of QBs that have thrown under 55 MPH at the combine:

Year: 2016
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54 (he was injured at the time)
Nate Sudfeld, Indiana 54
Kevin Hogan, Stanford 53
Brandon Doughty, Western Kentucky 53
Vernon Adams, Oregon 53
Jeff Driskel, Louisana Tech 52
Connor Cook, Michigan State 50


Year: 2015
Bryce Petty, Baylor 53
Brett Hundley, UCLA 53
Shane Carden, East Carolina 52
Jerry Lovelocke, Prairie View A&M 51
Nick Marshall, Auburn 50
Blake Sims, Alabama 42


YEAR: 2014
Tajh Boyd, Clemson 54
Bryn Renner, North Carolina 54
David Fales, San Jose State 53
AJ McCarron, Alabama 53
Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M 53
Connor Shaw, South Carolina 50

YEAR: 2013
EJ Manuel, Florida State 54
Matthew Scott, Arizona 54
Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53
Collin Klein, Kansas State 52
Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51
Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51
Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49


YEAR: 2012
Patrick Witt, Yale 54
Darron Thomas, Oregon 53
Ryan Lindley, San Diego State 52
Kellen Moore, Boise State 52
Jacory Harris, Miami 50
Aaron Corp, Richmond 50


YEAR: 2011
Nathan Enderle, Idaho 54
Jake Locker, Washington 54
TJ Yates, North Carolina 52
Christian Ponder, Florida St 51
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa 50
Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50


YEAR: 2010
Max Hall, BYU 52
Tim Hiller, Western Michigan 52
Michael Kafka, Northwestern 52
Zac Robinson, Oklahoma St. 52
Jevan Snead, Mississippi 52
Sean Canfield, Oregon St. 51
Jarrett Brown, West Virginia 50
John Skelton, Fordham 50
Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan 49
Tony Pike, Cincinnati 49
Armanti Edwards, Appalachian St. 46.5


YEAR: 2009
Tom Brandstetter, Fresno State 53
Cullen Harper, Clemson 53
Stephen McGee, Texas A & M 53
Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 52
Pat White, West Virginia 52


YEAR 2008:
Brian Brohm, Louisville 53
Chad Henne, Michigan 53
Erik Ainge, Tennessee 52
John David Booty, Southern Cal 51
Matt Flynn, LSU 50
Josh Johnson, San Diego 49
Colt Brennan, Hawaii 44
 
zshawn10 said:
Here's a list of QBs that have thrown under 55 MPH at the combine:

Year: 2016
Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54 (he was injured at the time)
Nate Sudfeld, Indiana 54
Kevin Hogan, Stanford 53
Brandon Doughty, Western Kentucky 53
Vernon Adams, Oregon 53
Jeff Driskel, Louisana Tech 52
Connor Cook, Michigan State 50


Year: 2015
Bryce Petty, Baylor 53
Brett Hundley, UCLA 53
Shane Carden, East Carolina 52
Jerry Lovelocke, Prairie View A&M 51
Nick Marshall, Auburn 50
Blake Sims, Alabama 42


YEAR: 2014
Tajh Boyd, Clemson 54
Bryn Renner, North Carolina 54
David Fales, San Jose State 53
AJ McCarron, Alabama 53
Dustin Vaughan, West Texas A&M 53
Connor Shaw, South Carolina 50

YEAR: 2013
EJ Manuel, Florida State 54
Matthew Scott, Arizona 54
Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53
Collin Klein, Kansas State 52
Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51
Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51
Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49


YEAR: 2012
Patrick Witt, Yale 54
Darron Thomas, Oregon 53
Ryan Lindley, San Diego State 52
Kellen Moore, Boise State 52
Jacory Harris, Miami 50
Aaron Corp, Richmond 50


YEAR: 2011
Nathan Enderle, Idaho 54
Jake Locker, Washington 54
TJ Yates, North Carolina 52
Christian Ponder, Florida St 51
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa 50
Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50


YEAR: 2010
Max Hall, BYU 52
Tim Hiller, Western Michigan 52
Michael Kafka, Northwestern 52
Zac Robinson, Oklahoma St. 52
Jevan Snead, Mississippi 52
Sean Canfield, Oregon St. 51
Jarrett Brown, West Virginia 50
John Skelton, Fordham 50
Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan 49
Tony Pike, Cincinnati 49
Armanti Edwards, Appalachian St. 46.5


YEAR: 2009
Tom Brandstetter, Fresno State 53
Cullen Harper, Clemson 53
Stephen McGee, Texas A & M 53
Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 52
Pat White, West Virginia 52


YEAR 2008:
Brian Brohm, Louisville 53
Chad Henne, Michigan 53
Erik Ainge, Tennessee 52
John David Booty, Southern Cal 51
Matt Flynn, LSU 50
Josh Johnson, San Diego 49
Colt Brennan, Hawaii 44
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But Number19 was claiming that the NFL average is 51.
 
76Texan said:
But Number19 was claiming that the NFL average is 51.
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55 according to this:

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3...-browns-2017-nfl-scouting-combine-qb-velocity

Over 55 mph doesnt guarantee success, but under it pretty much guarantees failure

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) March 10, 2017


2 mph ball velocity might not seem like a big deal, but it translates to 3 ft travelled on 20 yd throw in same time frame. Huge NFL window

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) March 10, 2017

Also Kaaya and Peterman don't meet it as well
 
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