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Number19

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I see the first four QB's off the board, in no particular order, as Trunisky, Keizer, Watson and Mahomes. I see these four as likely being top 50 picks.

Behind this group, I see Webb, Kaaya, Kelly and Peterman. I see Webb, Kaaya and Kelly as being projects needing maybe two years of development before being ready to start year three. If a club needs a QB to be a sound QB2, ready to step in his first year, then I see Peterman as the most capable to fill this role.

So the question I'm tossing out there for those who have studied this, among those teams who miss out on the top four, but still likely to consider a QB early, which team's might go for more developed talent of Peterman over the higher ceiling projects.

Basically I'm sounding out where Peterman
might be available. I'm seeing projections from the third round through the fifth. But I'm thinking a team like Denver might have him on their board as the fifth best QB, gong late in the second.
 
Number19 said:
I see the first four QB's off the board, in no particular order, as Trunisky, Keizer, Watson and Mahomes. I see these four as likely being top 50 picks.

Behind this group, I see Webb, Kaaya, Kelly and Peterman. I see Webb, Kaaya and Kelly as being projects needing maybe two years of development before being ready to start year three. If a club needs a QB to be a sound QB2, ready to step in his first year, then I see Peterman as the most capable to fill this role.

So the question I'm tossing out there for those who have studied this, among those teams who miss out on the top four, but still likely to consider a QB early, which team's might go for more developed talent of Peterman over the higher ceiling projects.

Basically I'm sounding out where Peterman
might be available. I'm seeing projections from the third round through the fifth. But I'm thinking a team like Denver might have him on their board as the fifth best QB, gong late in the second.
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I think that you've got the groupings correct (first group early, second group later), but what I don't understand is the mentality (not saying this is you) of making Peterman our 1st choice because we think he's going to be our franchise guy and he's the most game ready. But in the same breath saying that we're going to wait until the 3rd or 4th round to acquire him. Either he's the backup plan and we miss on someone else and are left targeting him later, or if you really do want him - get him in the 2nd and don't mess around with the most important position on the team. My 2 cents.
 
Number19 said:
I see the first four QB's off the board, in no particular order, as Trunisky, Keizer, Watson and Mahomes. I see these four as likely being top 50 picks.

Behind this group, I see Webb, Kaaya, Kelly and Peterman. I see Webb, Kaaya and Kelly as being projects needing maybe two years of development before being ready to start year three. If a club needs a QB to be a sound QB2, ready to step in his first year, then I see Peterman as the most capable to fill this role.

So the question I'm tossing out there for those who have studied this, among those teams who miss out on the top four, but still likely to consider a QB early, which team's might go for more developed talent of Peterman over the higher ceiling projects.

Basically I'm sounding out where Peterman
might be available. I'm seeing projections from the third round through the fifth. But I'm thinking a team like Denver might have him on their board as the fifth best QB, gong late in the second.
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I can agree with you on the 1st 4 QB's. I just can't see Kelly being in the next group of 4. I think Evans, Dobbs, and maybe even Beathard will go before Kelly. Just too many issues with Kelly. As for Peterman, I think he could go in the 2nd rd and could be available for the Texans. I don't think he makes it to their pick in the 3rd rd. I don't think Denver will look at QB that early with Siemian and Lynch on their roster. Personally, I'm hoping for Trubisky or Mahomes to fall to the Texans at #25. What I think the Texans will have to be wary of are teams trying to come back into the 1st rd and jump ahead of them.
 
Wouldn't wait past 2.57 to snag Peterman.

But I don't know if that's at all the point of the thread either and just throwing out some kind of 2 cents on the matter.
 
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I really don't get the obsession with Peterman. I get a strong Cody Kessler game manager vibe from him but it seems pretty much any guy that plays in a pro style system gets a huge bump pre-draft for no other reason than he played in a pro-style system. Especially in drafts where the majority of the top prospects are spread guys (like this year).

Reminds me of when this board was hot for Garrett Grayson a few years ago when it was Winston/Mariota and then nothing but spread guys like Hundley and Petty. Everyone was all over Grayson because he was the pro-style guy.
 
Don't have an obsession with Peterman, just see a kid who's not only played in some pro-style concepts but also appears to have an adaptability about his game as well as playing with a sense of urgency. He doesn't seem to freeze or panic under pressure and is in fact ready to lay his own competitive nature into an adverse situation. I like that. These things on top of a usual run of attributes that are looked for in a QB - accuracy, anticipation/processing, mobility enough to extend plays, leadership. The drawback is arm strength, and I think he's got just enough to cover a comfortable amount of any playbook.

He ain't perfect enough to get obsessive over, but while we're longing for the position he just appears to hopefully have enough of the stuff, imo.
 
Who would I prefer and when ??


Mahomes in the first round , may have to move up to get him .... Trubisky is my second choice but I think he's the first QB off the board at 12.

As for Peterman , he'd be my backup plan .... in the 3rd round.

Odds are that Kelly goes undrafted.
 
What would you guys think of taking 2 QB's in this draft like the Redskins did a few years ago?

Trubisky in the 1st but we'd have to trade up and it would get expensive. Keizer, Watson, and Mahomes belong in the 2nd round but will get over drafted due to the lack of talent at the position. Peterman or Webb in the 3rd round.

I'd like to see the Texans make inquiries to the Packers for Brett Hundley, I wonder what the cost of that trade would be.
 
And no I don't remember Garret Grayson either, don't recall him as a TT fanboy favourite, then again I'm not the best at details
 
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Wolf6151 said:
What would you guys think of taking 2 QB's in this draft like the Redskins did a few years ago?

Trubisky in the 1st but we'd have to trade up and it would get expensive. Keizer, Watson, and Mahomes belong in the 2nd round but will get over drafted due to the lack of talent at the position. Peterman or Webb in the 3rd round.

I'd like to see the Texans make inquiries to the Packers for Brett Hundley, I wonder what the cost of that trade would be.
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I'd take two and have mentioned it many times .... My two would be Mahomes and Peterman. Might make it a trifecta with Beathard taking one in the first 3rd and 7th.
You are bound to find competency in one of those three .... Both Beathard and Mahomes have some serious upside while Peterman is a safe pick and should be no worse than a solid backup in the NFL.
 
Corrosion said:
I'd take two and have mentioned it many times .... My two would be Mahomes and Peterman. Might make it a trifecta with Beathard taking one in the first 3rd and 7th.
You are bound to find competency in one of those three .... Both Beathard and Mahomes have some serious upside while Peterman is a safe pick and should be no worse than a solid backup in the NFL.
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With no QBs signed beyond 2017, drafting two sounds like a good idea to me. But I'd try to get Jerod Evans in that mix.
 
thunderkyss said:
With no QBs signed beyond 2017, drafting two sounds like a good idea to me. But I'd try to get Jerod Evans in that mix.
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The downside to drafting two QB's is that one would likely be cut at the end of training camp, so you would be wasting a pick. This assumes that we go into the season with both Savage and Weeden. If you stashed one on the practice squad, you would be taking snaps away from your rookie #3, who would be expected to run the scout team, refining his mechanics.

We need a forth QB in camp the first couple of weeks, but he should be an UDFA.
 
Max said:
I think that you've got the groupings correct (first group early, second group later), but what I don't understand is the mentality (not saying this is you) of making Peterman our 1st choice because we think he's going to be our franchise guy and he's the most game ready. But in the same breath saying that we're going to wait until the 3rd or 4th round to acquire him. Either he's the backup plan and we miss on someone else and are left targeting him later, or if you really do want him - get him in the 2nd and don't mess around with the most important position on the team. My 2 cents.
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Texans are sitting ducks because everyone knows they need a QB.
So I expect to see at least a couple of teams leap frog in front of the Texans to grab a QB.
This could spell disaster for Texans plans and likely force them to move up and burn a pick.
 
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Or they'll have to use a first round pick on a guy they targeted in the 2nd.
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And this is why I can't see Texans taking a QB in the first with this crop of QB's - they won't reach. Unless they really, really, REALLY like him. Or the guy they like falls into their lap @25.
Not likely.
 
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The QB that I've sorta been pushing, over Mahomes, is Peterman. But there is something that I just now discovered that, surprisingly, helps support my case.

Looking at last year's statistics only, Mohomes, the gunslinger, of course had many more attempts and yards over the game manager Peterman. And to his credit, Mahomes had a higher completion percentage - 65.7 to 60.5.

But what caught my attention is that Peterman's YPA was 9.3 to Mahomes' 8.5. In fact, of all the top QB's, Peterman's 9.3 was the highest of all.

Just FYI.

(edit) Google "football ypa". As one person wrote : "passing yards per attempt is the single most important indicator of success in all of football".
 
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Texansphan said:
And this is why I can't see Texans taking a QB in the first with this crop of QB's - they won't reach. Unless they really, really, REALLY like him. Or the guy they like falls into their lap @25.
Not likely.
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I'm thinking along these lines as well, Texans won't reach and will take a safe 1st round pick at another position. I think they might trade up in the 2nd round though to be sure of getting who they want. The cost/consequences are much less in the 2nd round.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I'm thinking along these lines as well, Texans won't reach and will take a safe 1st round pick at another position. I think they might trade up in the 2nd round though to be sure of getting who they want. The cost/consequences are much less in the 2nd round.
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I hope the Texans realize they've screwed the pooch more often than should be allowed & focus on getting it right this time. If that means they need to trade up, then they need to do it for the right reason. Not just because it's a bold move & it "shows" we're serious, but because they think the guy is worth it.

If they have to overdraft, that they do so, again because he is the right guy. Not because they want to avoid being cute, or they want more "value."
 
thunderkyss said:
I hope the Texans realize they've screwed the pooch more often than should be allowed & focus on getting it right this time. If that means they need to trade up, then they need to do it for the right reason. Not just because it's a bold move & it "shows" we're serious, but because they think the guy is worth it.

If they have to overdraft, that they do so, again because he is the right guy. Not because they want to avoid being cute, or they want more "value."
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At this point in time I think the Texans will only trade up for a QB that they think can be their franchise QB. Now, I'm not sure who they have on their list, whether it's Mahomes, Trubisky, Watson, Kizer or someone else, but I hope they are preparing to move up in the draft if they have to. If they have a QB in mind to pick in the 1st rd to be "their guy" for the next decade, I hope they don't just sit there and do nothing and watch him get taken with someone "leap frogging" them again! I know they don't have a lot of "ammo" to be trading up but they can't miss another opportunity to get "that guy!"
 
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