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Is the Front Office on Vacation???

powda said:
Didnt see anything relevant or substantial here. I guess we have different expectations for our gm when free agency kicks off. I expect him working phones, working emails, working texts, working sources, working personell meetings with coaches and pro scouts, hell, working smoke signals if it works.

You seem content to see him on some treasure island disney joy ride with a mickey mouse ear hat and face smeared with cotton candy.

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You know all that stuff can be done from anywhere there's internet access right?
Geez....
 
powda said:
Didnt see anything relevant or substantial here. I guess we have different expectations for our gm when free agency kicks off. I expect him working phones, working emails, working texts, working sources, working personell meetings with coaches and pro scouts, hell, working smoke signals if it works.

You seem content to see him on some treasure island disney joy ride with a mickey mouse ear hat and face smeared with cotton candy.

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And you seem to overreact to a man going to one professional basketball game for a few hours. Again we all have lives so stop tripping (over nothing) and let this man live his life. It's not that serious dude.

This has nothing to do with being content. If he wasn't doing his job Brock would still be a Texans right.
 
maverick512000 said:
You make FA sound like a game show where the first to hit the buzzer gets the player. In reality I would guess it's pretty boring just based on other big money corporate deals I've been a part of.

You make your offer to the agent, they counter offer and you bat it back and forth till either you sign the deal or one side decides it's not going to work.

Honestly he could probably take a whole day off and not really miss anything. Players don't suddenly out of the blue become available for FA
and the whole "give us your answer by this time or no deal" really only happens in movies. Yes sometimes it's a surprise that a team lets someone go but even then the player and their agent are going to shop for offers.

We're talking multi-million dollars deals here, those decisions aren't made quickly. Even the deal with the Browns was I promise you hashed out over several days if not weeks, it just seemed sudden because everyone involved kept their mouths shut.

Which leads to another point why do we as fans think they are doing nothing just because they haven't announced what they are doing. Everything they announce to us also gets announced to every other team and agent so if they have a big deal in the works or if a deal fell through I personally would prefer it if they kept it under wraps.
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Jimmy Johnson would disagree with this post. See: Russell Maryland/Kevin Smith draft picks. He told them if they would except deals that the Cowboys proposed he would draft them if not he would move on and draft player X. This also happens in FA.

The reason fans think Ricky is doing nothing could be, (Oh I don't know) because he's done nothing. The only GM in the league who's done nothing to this point in FA.

BTW, To those who say do you expect Ricky to work 24 hrs a day. There have been many days that I've worked 18-20 hrs in a day. Including some recently and some in the future including next Wednesday night. I'm sure you've done the same, there are times to work and times to play. The NFL FA time isn't a time for Ricky to play. Like I said before do you think Caldwell/Robinson/Texas City's own Ballard are off playing around during the FA period? With all of the work they've done the answer appears to be no.

Also these deals that supposedly take forever to get done start taking shpe at the combine and have parameters in place by the time FA starts. I guess the bright side is even though Ricky has done nothing so far, at least the Texans org had their full compliment of leadership at the combine. (Including Cal McNair. LOL) This hasn't always been the case so I guess that's progress if you want to look at the Texans org that way.

There's no denying that the rest of the division has gotten better while Ricky is sitting on his hands.
 
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Welcome to the Texans new draft day war room! As long as the wifi's good who cares right?
 
ObsiWan said:
You know all that stuff can be done from anywhere there's internet access right?
Geez....
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This is just another case of Ricky can do no wrong. I might agree with you somewhat, if You know, he had done anything in FA. Apparently Ricky's FA strategy this offseason is to hope the Cowboys cut Romo. hope that he can sign Romo, hope Romo stays healthy, hope to hit a homerun in the draft. That's a lot of hoping.

Speaking of hoping I hope it all works out for Ricky, I also hope he enjoyed watching the game as his competitors were working. (See: the Calais Campbell deal etc...) It was a great game.
 
steelbtexan said:
Jimmy Johnson would disagree with this post. See: Russell Maryland/Kevin Smith draft picks. He told them if they would except deals that the Cowboys proposed he would draft them if not he would move on and draft player X. This also happens in FA.

The reason fans think Ricky is doing nothing could be, (Oh I don't know) because he's done nothing. The only GM in the league who's done nothing to this point in FA.

BTW, To those who say do you expect Ricky to work 24 hrs a day. There have been many days that I've worked 18-20 hrs in a day. Including some recently and some in the future including next Wednesday night. I'm sure you've done the same, there are times to work and times to play. The NFL FA time isn't a time for Ricky to play. Like I said before do you think Caldwell/Robinson/Texas City's own Ballard are off playing around during the FA period? With all of the work they've done the answer appears to be no.

Also these deals that supposedly take forever to get done start taking shpe at the combine and have parameters in place by the time FA starts. I guess the bright side is even though Ricky has done nothing so far, at least the Texans org had their full compliment of leadership at the combine. (Including Cal McNair. LOL) This hasn't always been the case so I guess that's progress if you want to look at the Texans org that way.

There's no denying that the rest of the division has gotten better while Ricky is sitting on his hands.
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I'm the one that said it so direct that to specifically to me. I just worked 35 hours straight last week. Had no other choice because we had to get our equipment up and running. But that is not the norm. So why should Rick work 24 hours when he doesn't have to? Yall act like FA is only for one freaking day.

And that notion that Rick hasn't done anything is a bold face fabrication. Rick wouldn't be the Texans GM or even working in the NFL if he hasn't done anything. All because the Texans hasn't snatched up a player you wanted doesn't mean RS hasn't done anything up until this point. Didn't he just got rid of Brock and resigned several of our players. Hmmm but he's the only GM that hasn't done nothing to this point huh. Again another fabrication on your behalf.


But hey keep the hate alive.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
And you seem to overreact to a man going to one professional basketball game for a few hours. Again we all have lives so stop tripping (over nothing) and let this man live his life. It's not that serious dude.

This has nothing to do with being content. If he wasn't doing his job Brock would still be a Texans right.
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It is to Caldwell/Ballard/Robinson.

If you mean trading a 2nd rd pick to clean up the mess you made is working then we have a different definition of work and will probably never agree. Who is this Brock Osweiler guy you speak of? Did he play for Ricky McNair's Houston Texans? Maybe I've mind blocked the Osweiler era.
 
steelbtexan said:
It is to Caldwell/Ballard/Robinson.

If you mean trading a 2nd rd pick to clean up the mess you made is working then we have a different definition of work and will probably never agree. Who is this Brock Osweiler guy you speak of? Did he play for Ricky McNair's Houston Texans? Maybe I've mind blocked the Osweiler era.y
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Why is this consider a mess he created. If Brock and O'Brien doesn't get into a physical altercation, he would still be a Texans. Bwhahaha

Crazy how everyone was celebrating this time last year when the Texans acquired Brock. Even Hopkins was saying finally we have a QB. Great job RA, that a boy. Swinging for the fences and everything. Now we want to say he created this mess. Blah blah blah.

Yes this is considered a part of his job. All party's involved created that hot mess not just Rick freaking Smith.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I'm the one that said it so direct that to specifically me. I just worked 35 hours straight last week. Had no other choice because we had to get our equipment up and running. But that is not the norm. So why should Rick work 24 hours when he doesn't have to? Yall act like FA is only for one freaking day.

And that notion that Rick hasn't done anything is a bold face fabrication. Jeremy wouldn't be the Texans GM or even working in the NFL if he hasn't done anything. All because the Texans hasn't snatched up a player you wanted doesn't mean RS hasn't done anything up until this point. Didn't he just got rid of Brock and resigned several of our players. Hmmm but he's the only GM that hasn't done nothing to this point huh. Again another fabrication on your behalf.


But hey keep the hate alive.
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I don't have a specific player I wanted him to sign. As much as you don't want to admit it EVERY team in the NFL has signed atleast 1 FA.

What has Ricky done? Speaking of Hate, I don't HATE anybody (No time in ones heart for HATE) I do HATE that you had to work so many hrs straight. You had to step up when your company needed you or you most likely would've been fired. I didn't see Ricky stepping up when it was time for him too. I did notice he went to a BB game.

This would be like you telling your boss you couldn't work those 35 hrs because you were sick and your boss said OK and worked those hrs for you. Then your bosses friend said he saw you hanging out partying at the beach while your boss was working your shift.

That kinda stuff would get you fired, but not little Ricky, he's family.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Why is this consider a mess he created. If Brock and O'Brien doesn't get into a physical altercation, he would still be a Texans. Bwhahaha

Crazy how everyone was celebrating this time last year when the Texans acquired Brock. Even Hopkins was saying finally we have a QB. Great job RA, that a boy. Swinging for the fences and everything. Now we want to say he created this mess. Blah blah blah.

Yes this is considered a part of his job. All party's involved created that hot mess not just Rick freaking Smith.
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The thought that Brock would've still been a Texan should make you give pause. I was all for bringing in a new QB and hoped McNair/Ricky would get lucky. But make no mistake McNair/Ricky created the Osweiler mess.
 
infantrycak said:
RS didn't lie and you know damn well the Texans not being more active in FA is a group FAIL decision.
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So our front office directed by Rick Smith decided to throw away a major asset, in order to drop a player who could at least be a backup or junk trade fodder - in order to free up cap space we're not going to use? Hate on Steel being a broken record all you want, but he wins this one.
 
Scooter said:
So our front office directed by Rick Smith decided to throw away a major asset, in order to drop a player who could at least be a backup or junk trade fodder - in order to free up cap space we're not going to use?
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This appears to be the case.
 
Scooter said:
So our front office directed by Rick Smith decided to throw away a major asset, in order to drop a player who could at least be a backup or junk trade fodder - in order to free up cap space we're not going to use? Hate on Steel being a broken record all you want, but he wins this one.
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BS. They have a plan to use it - Romo. The timing just hasn't suited immediate gratification fans.

steelbtexan said:
Never said he lied,

If by group you mean Bob/Ricky/Cal McNair you're probably correct.
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Your analogy was to someone lying to their employer.
 
Too late to edit, but the blame train needs to run straight over that 'group decision' - again with Rick Smith as the conductor for bringing in the non-vetted Osweiler in the first place. If the fault isn't his, then why hasn't there been direct accountability elsewhere for these absurd free agent deals?
 
I'm not going to begrudge Rick Smith for taking a night off. And I don't know who had the loudest voice in the room for bringing Osweiler to Houston (which I thought was a good decision at the time). One thing I do believe is that this is the time of year in which the scouting department, which is under Rick's umbrella, should be communicating the most with the coaching staff. The scouting department spent all of 2016 scouting college players. The coaches are just now are getting up to speed. So although I'm not upset at all with Rick going to a Rockets game (best thing going on in Houston sports wise) I do understand how the optics look to some fans.
 
If we play long enough we're bound to get a sb at this rate.

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Scooter said:
So you defend their failures as having a plan (an uncertain one), even though that plan is a failure.
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When Romo gets to a new team we'll know if it was a failure.

As someone mentioned, probably our best FA offseason was JJo and Manning and that happened late in the offseason.

I'm not commenting on any one move in particular. Just it's too early to declare this offseason a failure. Folks that don't like the Oz trade are in hypercritical mode right now with goofy basketball comments and demands for immediate use of the cap room gained. It's premature and in some instances irrational.
 
infantrycak said:
When Romo gets to a new team we'll know if it was a failure.

As someone mentioned, probably our best FA offseason was JJo and Manning and that happened late in the offseason.

I'm not commenting on any one move in particular. Just it's too early to declare this offseason a failure. Folks that don't like the Oz trade are in hypercritical mode right now with goofy basketball comments and demands for immediate use of the cap room gained. It's premature and in some instances irrational.
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I will repeat, EVERY OTHER NFL team has done SOMETHING in FA.

But people are being too critical of the Texans FO.
 
infantrycak said:
When Romo gets to a new team we'll know if it was a failure.

As someone mentioned, probably our best FA offseason was JJo and Manning and that happened late in the offseason.

I'm not commenting on any one move in particular. Just it's too early to declare this offseason a failure. Folks that don't like the Oz trade are in hypercritical mode right now with goofy basketball comments and demands for immediate use of the cap room gained. It's premature and in some instances irrational.
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With Wade Phillips at the helm and discussions with top tier FA's such as Nnamdi deciding the price structure. I'm really not sure how you can remotely compare the situations.
 
I honestly think the Texans thought the trade was worth it even if they don't use the capspace at all.

It has to do with the weird claim by O'Brien that he didn't want Osweiler at all, and this was his way to prove it.
 
steelbtexan said:
I will repeat, EVERY OTHER NFL team has done SOMETHING in FA.

But people are being too critical of the Texans FO.
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Scooter said:
With Wade Phillips at the helm and discussions with top tier FA's such as Nnamdi deciding the price structure. I'm really not sure how you can remotely compare the situations.
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They'd have 2 huge offseason moves if Dallas had carried through. Now patience is required.
 
infantrycak said:
They'd have 2 huge offseason moves if Dallas had carried through. Now patience is required.
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So Dallas is now holding the Texans offseason hostage?

Typical Texans. They have $$$$ to make moves AND add Romo. They're choosing not too. Maybe Ricky's time is better spent at the BB game.
 
infantrycak said:
They'd have 2 huge offseason moves if Dallas had carried through. Now patience is required.
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Did we have an agreement with Dallas before sacrificing a major asset for a lesser unknown? You're still defending this move as if the 37 year old crippled Romo is a good thing to spend a buttload of money and future asset on when I know damn well you don't - and got lost arguing the point. We didn't sign Simon and Bouye, were they also part of our grand strategy to break the bank for Super Romo?
 
steelbtexan said:
So Dallas is now holding the Texans offseason hostage?

Typical Texans. They have $$$$ to make moves AND add Romo. They're choosing not too. Maybe Ricky's time is better spent at the BB game.
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Considering our offseason so far ricky has apparently been at ball games EVERYNIGHT. I suppose as long as he has the internet though who cares right? Ive thought for some time the title of this thread was wrong. We're not on vacation. We're in a comma.

And now we're relegated to waiting on jerry jones to make or break our future? Very smooth kirby.

Imagine 2 months ago someone told you we'd pay a team a 2nd round pick to take our starting quarterback. Imagine 2 months ago someone told you we wouldn't be in charge of our offseason because we'd hand that leverage over to the cowboys. People here wouldve been outraged. But here we are. And mysteriously a bulk of people have bought the gloss. The offseason still has time to improve obviously but right now it's a train wreck. All that glitters is not gold.


The 2017 hostage standoff continues...
 
steelbtexan said:
I don't have a specific player I wanted him to sign. As much as you don't want to admit it EVERY team in the NFL has signed atleast 1 FA.

What has Ricky done? Speaking of Hate, I don't HATE anybody (No time in ones heart for HATE) I do HATE that you had to work so many hrs straight. You had to step up when your company needed you or you most likely would've been fired. I didn't see Ricky stepping up when it was time for him too. I did notice he went to a BB game.

This would be like you telling your boss you couldn't work those 35 hrs because you were sick and your boss said OK and worked those hrs for you. Then your bosses friend said he saw you hanging out partying at the beach while your boss was working your shift.

That kinda stuff would get you fired, but not little Ricky, he's family.
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Again you are overreacting big time. We all know how you truly feel about Rick Smith. The colorful word these days is called hate. Not in the literally speaking either. Meaning we know you don't have hate in your heart for this man. You don't even know the man personally, so why would you literally hate him. But figuratively speaking you thrash the man every chance you get. This man went to one basketball game and you are on here hating on him and for what. They have talked to several FA but unfortunately couldn't come up with a financial agreement. They have signed several of their own FA's. Therefore you are fabricating again because we have signed 3 free agents.

And as far as my job is concerned, I would still have my job if I didn't worked those hours like that.

Rick taking a few hours off, (in which he has a right to) to go to a game was clearly ok with The Main Man Mr. Bob McNair. So why in the world are you making such a big deal out of it. You are not cutting this man a check, lol Mr. McNair is.
 
Scooter said:
So our front office directed by Rick Smith decided to throw away a major asset, in order to drop a player who could at least be a backup or junk trade fodder - in order to free up cap space we're not going to use? Hate on Steel being a broken record all you want, but he wins this one.
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How does he win this one? Was their a vote? I don't think so but hey carry on.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Again you are overreacting big time. We all know how you truly feel about Rick Smith. The colorful word these days is called hate. Not in the literally speaking either. Meaning we know you don't have hate in your heart for this man. You don't even know the man personally, so why would you literally hate him. But figuratively speaking you thrash the man every chance you get. This man went to one basketball game and you are on here hating on him and for what. They have talked to several FA but unfortunately couldn't come up with a financial agreement. They have signed several of their own FA's. Therefore you are fabricating again because we have signed 3 free agents.

And as far as my job is concerned, I would still have my job if I didn't worked those hours like that.

Rick taking a few hours off, (in which he has a right to) to go to a game was clearly ok with The Main Man Mr. Bob McNair. So why in the world are you making such a big deal out of it. You are not cutting this man a check, lol Mr. McNair is.
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You're McNair doesn't care. Sign Romo and keep cashing those checks. The fanbase is slowly learning what McNair is all about.
 
Scooter said:
Did we have an agreement with Dallas before sacrificing a major asset for a lesser unknown? You're still defending this move as if the 37 year old crippled Romo is a good thing to spend a buttload of money and future asset on when I know damn well you don't - and got lost arguing the point. We didn't sign Simon and Bouye, were they also part of our grand strategy to break the bank for Super Romo?
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I seriously doubt the Texans will break the bank to get Romo. And from I've read they gave Bouye a really nice offer, his camp declined and took the offer from Jacksonville. As far as Simon, for starters dude is replaceable. It's not like he balled out of control like that. And finally, I'm sure they gave him an offer as well.

So this strategy argument is far fetched don't you think scooter?
 
powda said:
Considering our offseason so far ricky has apparently been at ball games EVERYNIGHT. I suppose as long as he has the internet though who cares right? Ive thought for some time the title of this thread was wrong. We're not on vacation. We're in a comma.

And now we're relegated to waiting on jerry jones to make or break our future? Very smooth kirby.

Imagine 2 months ago someone told you we'd pay a team a 2nd round pick to take our starting quarterback. Imagine 2 months ago someone told you we wouldn't be in charge of our offseason because we'd hand that leverage over to the cowboys. People here wouldve been outraged. But here we are. And mysteriously a bulk of people have bought the gloss. The offseason still has time to improve obviously but right now it's a train wreck. All that glitters is not gold.


The 2017 hostage standoff continues...
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I wish I could like this post 1,000 times
 
Texansballer74 said:
BWHAHAHA ok
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Deep and insightful

Glad to see your happy with the direction of the franchise. Cant you see what's going on here? Ricky is doing his best to run BOB out of town, sad thing is he appears to have McNair's blessings.

McNair should've gotten BOB what he wanted, a GM that understood the Pats way of doing business. Anytime McNair says he wants his org to be like the Pats you know he's lying, or he would've given BOB what he needed to be successful.

As it is you will get your wish and BOB will be gone after next yr. Ricky McNair will still be around hough and you will be happy with that because you like the direction of the franchise.

Another 15 yrs and maybe you will change your mind. But I doubt it.

BTW, another 6% this yr. Thought I would mention that since that's what the McNair's are really all about. Do you know how much the SB winning Pats season tickets are going up next yr? ZERO, the McNairs org is nothing like the Pats org and never will be.
 
steelbtexan said:
BTW, another 6% this yr. Thought I would mention that since that's what the McNair's are really all about. Do you know how much the SB winning Pats season tickets are going up next yr? ZERO, the McNairs org is nothing like the Pats org and never will be.
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BTW the Texans are less than $2 over NFL average at $94.73. The Pats are 2nd most expensive at $130.73.

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Wouldn't a winning team earn McNair more money?
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Yes, that is a glaring hole in steelb's allegations.
 
infantrycak said:
BTW the Texans are less than $2 over NFL average at $94.73. The Pats are 2nd most expensive at $130.73.



Yes, that is a glaring hole in steelb's allegations.
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I would gladly pay the 130.73 if the McNair's were as committed to winning a SB as Kraft is. I.E. getting the most talented players he can get on his team.
 
Scooter said:
So our front office directed by Rick Smith decided to throw away a major asset, in order to drop a player who could at least be a backup or junk trade fodder - in order to free up cap space we're not going to use? Hate on Steel being a broken record all you want, but he wins this one.
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It's worse when you consider that we could have freed up he same capspace by cutting Joseph and not signing Griffin. So we traded a second round pick for those two guys.

But come on, the Osweiler trade is all O'Brien. He is obsessed with proving he wasn't part of that decision to save his career.

And the wasting of draft picks is O'Brien too. Previous regimes didn't do that.

This franchise needs to be made over from top to bottom, starting with gm and coach
 
Maybe he just lacks the knowledge which is not his fault we'll never know what he does and does not care about. If fans don't agree with the cost of tickets then don't buy them. The majority ***** but still end up supporting them in the long run.
 
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infantrycak said:
BTW the Texans are less than $2 over NFL average at $94.73. The Pats are 2nd most expensive at $130.73.



Yes, that is a glaring hole in steelb's allegations.
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All sounds plausible until you realize the cost of living in numerous nfl markets is drastically different in various cities. Not to mention that whole super bowl champion / dynasty thing the patriots have.

And i could care less about revenue. To many variables including expenditures, revenue sharing and a silly fan base that doesn't recognize stupid. As long as you keep buying, they'll stay profitable.

None of that makes this a competent product on the field.
 
I think every owner wants to win and some are better than others. Bob is better than me. So, what do I know? LOL.
 
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