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Texans trade Osweiller to Browns

Texian said:
I guess it's all in how you look at it. Even as a ROOKIE when Schaub was self destructing, Nuk had his highest % of catches vs # of targets. During O'Brien's 3 years Nuk's avg yard per catch has gone down.
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Jesus, you'll go to any extreme to spin **** in order to look like you're not wrong about something.
Hopkins clearly improved by any reasonable definition. Yours is not a reasonable definition. Catch % vs targets? You really dug deep to find that gem.
 
michaelm said:
Jesus, you'll go to any extreme to spin **** in order to look like you're not wrong about something.
Hopkins clearly improved by any reasonable definition. Yours is not a reasonable definition. Catch % vs targets? You really dug deep to find that gem.
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He pulled that "gem" out of his ass since it was factually inaccurate, so that's the only place he had to dig.
 
Texian said:
There are great coaches like Jimbo and then there is the opposite. I know when you put a microphone in O'Brien's hand and a camera in his face you can tell he doesn't want to be there and it's usually is bad or uncomfortable TV. On the other hand, Jimbo embraces it, enjoys it, appreciates it and it always makes for interesting informative TV. So much so you don't want a miss a Jimbo interview. I think this behavior says quite a bit about how well a coach is perceived and how well they can coach.

As for the Brady argument it was so mild that Belichick felt compelled to come over and get between the two and tell O'Brien to back off.
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So a good coach is predicated by their ability to have a good press conference. Obviously Belichek don't know that
 
infantrycak said:
Griffin obviously wasn't the point.
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He definitely wasn't.

But the truth remains we could have opened up $3 of the $10 mil in capspace by simply not resigning Griffin

Trading high picks for a small amount of capspace isn't a good move IMO
 
TheKDog said:
He definitely wasn't.

But the truth remains we could have opened up $3 of the $10 mil in capspace by simply not resigning Griffin

Trading high picks for a small amount of capspace isn't a good move IMO
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$10 mil isn't a small amount. (There's also another $6 mil next year).

And we traded the equivalent of a 3rd this year for a 4th this year.
 
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infantrycak said:
$10 mil isn't a small amount. (There's also another $6 mil next year).

And we traded the equivalent of a 3rd this year for a 4th this year.
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Next year we're gonna need use that $6mil to sign someone because we'll have one less pick
 
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We keep on throwing around the 3rd round compensatory pick that we are expecting from the loss of Bouye............Anyone understand that pick comes at the very end of the 3rd round............making it essentially the equivalent of a 4th round pick?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
We keep on throwing around the 3rd round compensatory pick that we are expecting from the loss of Bouye............Anyone understand that pick comes at the very end of the 3rd round............making it essentially the equivalent of a 4th round pick?
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No, the couch GMs have spoken! Trading Osweiler (along with a sixth round pick this year, and a 2018 second round pick) to the Browns was, and I quote, "a terrible idea!" It doesn't matter that we get their fourth round pick this year, or the fact that this deal saves us $10 million in cap space, and $16 million in cash because in their warped little minds, "it's admiting the front office made a mistake" and apparently that matters more than actually doing something to try and fix the mistake that was Osweiler. So, any compensatory picks we may get also mean nothing because "this was a dumb move by Rick Smith." According to a few posters here, lol.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
We keep on throwing around the 3rd round compensatory pick that we are expecting from the loss of Bouye............Anyone understand that pick comes at the very end of the 3rd round............making it essentially the equivalent of a 4th round pick?
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Yes. That is why, I believe, the Texans should immediately be willing to trade a 5th round pick for Romo... anything more than that and they mah benefit from
Waiting until Romo is cut.
 
patrick‏Verified account@PatDStat 5h5 hours ago
"We wish Brock (Osweiler) the best, you know, we're moving on to 2017.” Bill O’Brien

https://t.co/0rt5jY8Vd2

https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/841095512321359874

The trade that shook the Houston Texans organization this past week has been finalized and head coach Bill O’Brien finally had a chance to discuss the move. General manager Rick Smith released a statement through the team (Read it Here) after the transaction was placed with an important line:

“The decision to trade Brock was made because it was in the best interest of the team.”

O’Brien, who was attending a charity event for Special Olympics in Houston on Sunday, discussed the Osweiler move.

"I think Rick Smith's statement said it all," O'Brien stated at the Olympics banquet. "We wish Brock the best, you know, we're moving on to 2017.”

O’Brien continued, “We are working hard as a staff to improve. We are working hard with the scouts to get ready for the draft. We are looking forward to the start of the off-season program which is April 17th.”
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CloakNNNdagger said:
We keep on throwing around the 3rd round compensatory pick that we are expecting from the loss of Bouye............Anyone understand that pick comes at the very end of the 3rd round............making it essentially the equivalent of a 4th round pick?
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Ok, forget the 3rd round compensatory pick. Just leave that out of the discussion.

Do you think it was worth giving up a 2nd round pick to get rid of Osweiler and his contract to get that cap money back? I do.

Put the shoe on the other other foot. If you were a fan of another team, and your team agreed to take on Osweiler's contract just for a 2nd round pick, would you think that was a good trade?

Only the Cleveland Browns would be dumb enough to do that.
 
Marcus said:
Ok, forget the 3rd round compensatory pick. Just leave that out of the discussion.

Do you think it was worth giving up a 2nd round pick to get rid of Osweiler and his contract to get that cap money back? I do.

Put the shoe on the other other foot. If you were a fan of another team, and your team agreed to take on Osweiler's contract just for a 2nd round pick, would you think that was a good trade?

Only the Cleveland Browns would be dumb enough to do that.
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As a Cleveland fan, with 100M of cap room, I'd be ecstatic about the trade. They weren't going to spend all that money anyway.
 
zshawn10 said:
Benjamin Allbright

✔@AllbrightNFL
Context Osweiler/O'Brien altercation that people are missing is that O'Brien never wanted Osweiler to begin with, & made no secret of it.

1:59 PM - 12 Mar 2017



Benjamin Allbright

✔@AllbrightNFL
@ZoneReads Owner and FO had wanted Osweiler for awhile. Tried to trade for him. Finally got him in FA.

2:13 PM - 12 Mar 2017
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Oh he didn't want Osweiler. Oh okay. Yeah I'm sure he had no say, lol.

Say, maybe we should have gone with quarterbacks that HE wanted, instead. What, you mean we already went with Fitzpatrick, drafted Savage, AND got Hoyer AND Mallett and they're all worthless too? Oh that Bill O'Brien is such a great talent evaluator.

Poor poor poor Bill O'Brien.

*******. Spare. Me.
 
JB said:
So a good coach is predicated by their ability to have a good press conference. Obviously Belichek don't know that
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If you have watched very many Belichick Press Conferences, gathering from your comments you haven't, then you would know that Belichick doesn't abhor press conferences as much as he does some of the absurd questions that go with them. Belichick can be quite informative much like a Saban press conference..
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
We keep on throwing around the 3rd round compensatory pick that we are expecting from the loss of Bouye............Anyone understand that pick comes at the very end of the 3rd round............making it essentially the equivalent of a 4th round pick?
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I'm not sure it will even be a 3rd rd comp pick those are usually reserved for players taken early in the draft that have pro bowl credentials and other other accolades. Seeing how Bouye was a UDFA he might be closer to a 6th or 7th rd comp pick.
 
JB said:
Comp picks are about the contract they sign, not their draft status
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That's a BIG Negative. You don't get a comp pick because a player signed with another team. You get a comp pick because of what the player did for your team and you're getting comped for what you lost. Think about that for a minute. BTW the contract that Bouye signed with the Texans was a UDFA contract and that's a big consideration factor in the Texans compensation.
 
Texian said:
That's a BIG Negative. You don't get a comp pick because a player signed with another team. You get a comp pick because of what the player did for your team and you're getting comped for what you lost. Think about that for a minute. BTW the contract that Bouye signed with the Texans was a UDFA contract and that's a big consideration factor in the Texans compensation.
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The contract they sign also figures into the equation (although nobody knows the exact formula).
 
Texian said:
That's a BIG Negative. You don't get a comp pick because a player signed with another team. You get a comp pick because of what the player did for your team and you're getting comped for what you lost. Think about that for a minute. BTW the contract that Bouye signed with the Texans was a UDFA contract and that's a big consideration factor in the Texans compensation.
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Per over the cap, the round the player is drafted in and their old contract has nothing to do with the determination of comp picks, the primary factor is the new contract first and foremost, then the snaps and pro bowl appearances.

Per over the cap

"As the NFL explains, compensatory picks are awarded to teams that lose more or better compensatory free agents than they acquire. The number of picks a team can receive equals the net loss of compensatory free agents, up to a maximum of four. Compensatory free agents are determined by a secret formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. Not every free agent lost or signed is covered by the formula.

Although the formula has never been revealed, by studying the compensatory picks that have been awarded since they began in 1994, I’ve determined that the primary factor in the value of the picks awarded is the average annual value of the contract the player signed with his new team, with an adjustment for playing time and a smaller adjustment for postseason honors."
"As regular visitors of OTC know, this primary factor is known as Average Per Year, or APY. Because this is a common figure used here, it is also quite useful for setting the primary factor in determining compensatory picks. Adam has also determined that playing time seems to be determined by offensive & defensive snaps played, while postseason honors are determined by Pro Bowl appearances."



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TheMatrix31 said:
Oh he didn't want Osweiler. Oh okay. Yeah I'm sure he had no say, lol.

Say, maybe we should have gone with quarterbacks that HE wanted, instead. What, you mean we already went with Fitzpatrick, drafted Savage, AND got Hoyer AND Mallett and they're all worthless too? Oh that Bill O'Brien is such a great talent evaluator.

Poor poor poor Bill O'Brien.

*******. Spare. Me.
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@McClain_on_NFL: In the aftermath of the Osweiler trade, let me point out for the millionth time Smith and OBrien wanted the QB. McNair signed off on it.
 
jradMIT said:
Although the formula has never been revealed, by studying the compensatory picks that have been awarded since they began in 1994, I’ve determined that the primary factor in the value of the picks awarded is the average annual value of the contract the player signed with his new team, with an adjustment for playing time and a smaller adjustment for postseason honors."
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Has any reason been given why it is a "Secret". That seems strange to me.
 
Brian T. Smith: The Texans have become the Browns of NFL QBs. So of course Brock Osweiler was banished to Cleveland. What do Brock Osweiler, Ryan Fitzpatrick & Brian Hoyer have in common? 9-7 & barely better than average? Yeah, that's right. They're also the 3 starting QBs Bill O'Brien chose, Rick Smith signed & each were given one year a piece to guide the Texans. Whose fault is that? Bob McNair's? No. It's O'Brien & Smith. A working relationship that continues to let down the Texans & fans that help make McNair so rich. Smith is better than his haters refuse to acknowledge. He's also an incredibly average 88-88, now in his 12th year running a franchise still desperately searching for a lasting QB. O'Brien is just as responsible for this QB mess. He's created 3 strong tough teams & has won back to back AFC titles, as he so oftenlet's us know. He's also never put together a team as talented as Gary Kubiak did in Houston. If we're still talking about the Texans QB problems at the end of this season, Smith & O'Brien should both begone & they'll only have themselves to blame.
 
And how many really excellent QBs are there in the NFL right now? It's all in how you look at it, but I wouldn't say more than five or six. All the rest are average to above average, or they can be good, but aren't consistently good. Five or six out of 32 teams isn't a lot, and it means there isn't enough truly great QBs to go around. Look at the last ten super bowl winners, and the worst QB of the lot is Flacco, who can be on the occasion very VERY good, but is inconsistent. All the rest of the teams that won had really outstanding QBs.

There just aren't enough top level QBs to go around for 32 teams, there just isn't, or they'd all have one. Maybe Rick and Bob aren't very good, or maybe they are but just haven't had much to pick from. Maybe the Patriots were just freaking lucky with Brady or they might still be having a QB carrousel.

Whatever all this mental masturbation means is, you need a very good QB to win a super bowl, and we had a temporary one in Shaub for a few years before injuries took their toll. Other than that, we've never had a good QB, and we probably won't this year either unless we get Romo and he is suddenly not injury prone. Or Doc Savage finds his super powers and kicks ass or Da Weed Man gets a good high and destroys everyone. Or we find one in the draft that can somehow magically channel his inner Tom Brady.

I look forward to another frustrating season and remain pissed off at the football gods for their scant production of good QBs.
 
Thorn said:
And how many really excellent QBs are there in the NFL right now?
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You'd think there would be more Andy Dalton, Alex Smith types out there. Why can't more of those guys find jobs & hold on to them?
 
TripleTap said:
Gotta say this whole report sounds like baloney. Not a fan of OZ but this doesn't sound like anything I ever read about him before.
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Didn't Brock get in a fight with a woman over a pizza?

Not sure about the report, but it could be credible. O'Brien's yelling A-hole shtick probably gets old real fast, let alone at week 17. Considering how badly he blew the Hoyer/Mallet thing, he may not be honest with his QBs either.

I do belive that Oz told OB to go **** himself, probably not the physical confrontation though.
 
infantrycak said:
Oz got accosted and refused to fight.

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History repeats itself.

It doesn't sound like he's responding to these leaks from O'Brien about the altercation.

I think he sucks as a QB but I have no reason to think he's a bad person or teammate.
 
TexansSeminole said:
As a Cleveland fan, with 100M of cap room, I'd be ecstatic about the trade. They weren't going to spend all that money anyway.
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And we built an out into the contract for next year so they can just use his salary this year to hit the cap floor and then cut him next year for no penalty.

So they get to reach the cap floor without straining their cap with a long term commitment and they get a high pick next year. Browns fans are ecstatic about the trade and they should be.
 
Whether or not you want Tony or Jay it should not matter now. I am hoping for someone just because all there is an unproven Tom Savage and if he fails it would be an ugly ending to a bad movie.
 
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gary said:
Whether or not you want Tony or Jay it should not matter now. I am hoping for someone just because all there is an unproven Tom Savage and if he fails it would be an ugly ending to a bad movie.
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Or it could be the beginning of a legendary career comeback by Brandon Weeden.... OK, I can't say that with a straight face but how cool would that be?
 
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