Texans trade Osweiller to Browns

[FuzzyLogic]

Unfortunately this type of behavior seems to follow O'Brien around and it creates a negative perception, especially for free agents who are looking for a new team to play for.

I get what you are saying... but.... it can be taken the other way, he is seen as a "fiery" wants to win kind of guy and that is the perception you hear from around the league, at least the talking heads.

When I read that article I got a much worse perception of OS than I did of O'Brien... seriously " he’s only playing Osweiler because O’Brien needs him" that reeks of spoiled man/child. Yes that is exactly how the backup QB position works - the starter is injured, we will be playing you even though I think you suck, because I have no other option. Now do us all a favor and take those panties off, see if you can find your big boy pants and play some football, mmmmk?

 

[Texian]

Or perhaps Texans have zeroed in identifying and agreeing on specific player (QB) (would that be too much to ask?).

Didn't they do that with Osweiler?

 

[infantrycak]

I'm not sure that this whole "complicated offense" argument is meant to make OB look like an offensive genius, more the opposite.

The way I recall the complicated offense stuff started was in the initial sell OB as the new HC period. The Texans were going to be freed from Kubiak's simplistic predictable offense and move to one which would be 'multiple' and game planned each week to exploit opponent weaknesses but it might take a while to implement due to its complexity.

 

[humblegeo]

Romo may not be able to get along with or be coached by our head coach-guru offensive coordinator......Sour-Puss O'Brien???

 

[TexansSeminole]

The way I recall the complicated offense stuff started was in the initial sell OB as the new HC period. The Texans were going to be freed from Kubiak's simplistic predictable offense and move to one which would be 'multiple' and game planned each week to exploit opponent weaknesses but it might take a while to implement due to its complexity.

I do remember hearing that very early on, but that's not the way I hear people talk about the "complicated" nature of the current offense. It's more used as a way to prove that the offense is too difficult to be successful, which I think is ridiculous.

I never had an issue with Kubiak's offense. It was always or almost always successful, and while simple for the QB to run, it wasn't a situation in which teams could easily game plan against it. The idea that a team may know that we were running a zone run or bootleg didn't seem to help them in stopping it most of the time. I really liked that scheme.

 

[Texian]

I get what you are saying... but.... it can be taken the other way, he is seen as a "fiery" wants to win kind of guy and that is the perception you hear from around the league, at least the talking heads.

When I read that article I got a much worse perception of OS than I did of O'Brien... seriously " he’s only playing Osweiler because O’Brien needs him" that reeks of spoiled man/child. Yes that is exactly how the backup QB position works - the starter is injured, we will be playing you even though I think you suck, because I have no other option. Now do us all a favor and take those panties off, see if you can find your big boy pants and play some football, mmmmk?

What I found most interesting was Owen Daniels comments, OS was not the same OS in Houston as he was in Denver...hhmmmm. My take is this, I'm not sure there is a QB that Bill O'Brien can get along with.

 

[infantrycak]

Yes that is exactly how the backup QB position works - the starter is injured, we will be playing you even though I think you suck, because I have no other option.

Except OB did have an option - Weeden. How bad is OB's opinion of him that he would still turn to 'spoiled' ineffective Oz?

 

[Number19]

Except OB did have an option - Weeden. How bad is OB's opinion of him that he would still turn to 'spoiled' ineffective Oz?

Correct me if I'm wrong; but was Weeden active that game?

 

[TexansSeminole]

What I found most interesting was Owen Daniels comments, OS was not the same OS in Houston as he was in Denver...hhmmmm. My take is this, I'm not sure there is a QB that that Bill O'Brien can get along with.

This is kind of odd to hear from you, given how much you like Jimbo Fisher. Jimbo is very hard on his QBs, and he yells at them constantly, yet every QB to ever play for him raves about him, even well after they've matured past their college days.

That's why I say that the Brady argument was mild. Hell, Jimbo screams at his QB after almost every drive that isn't a TD and these are highly successful players for the most part.

 

[Texian]

I do remember hearing that very early on, but that's not the way I hear people talk about the "complicated" nature of the current offense. It's more used as a way to prove that the offense is too difficult to be successful, which I think is ridiculous.

I never had an issue with Kubiak's offense. It was always or almost always successful, and while simple for the QB to run, it wasn't a situation in which teams could easily game plan against it. The idea that a team may know that we were running a zone run or bootleg didn't seem to help them in stopping it most of the time. I really liked that scheme.

The O'Brien is an offensive mastermind and a QB guru is a PR promotion. In much the same way the Texans created an image of Bob McNair being one of the best hands off owners in sports. History suggest otherwise on both accounts. O'Brien is still benefiting from Wade Phillips Defense that is mostly been kept intact. O'Brien has pretty much dismantled Kubiak's offense and the statistics show it has been for the worse.

 

[thunderkyss]

Week 17 altercation was last straw for Texans and Osweilerhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...weiler/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

So it looks like I was probably wrong about this only being about OS sucking. So we gave up a 2nd because OS is a cry baby.
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I nailed it.

I was thinking it was more like

OB: Brock, Savage is out with a concussion, you're in.
Brock: WTF.. you told me I get to sit back & watch from the sideline.
OB: Yeah, but things change... Tom's hurt, you're in.
Brock: BS... he's not hurt, you saw him take that knee.
OB: I'm not a doctor. They're the ones saying he's hurt. Now put your GD big boy pants on & get out there.
Brock: But I learn a lot more on the sideline.
OB: Are you f'kn kidding me?

 

[FuzzyLogic]

Except OB did have an option - Weeden. How bad is OB's opinion of him that he would still turn to 'spoiled' ineffective Oz?

I can agree with you the following week... but for the Titans game, Weeden wasn't an option, not active.

 

[infantrycak]

Correct me if I'm wrong; but was Weeden active that game?

Doesn't change the equation either way. If Oz was an insubordinate incompetent before that day he should have been inactive if one was and Weeden should have been the backup.

 

[steelbtexan]

Honestly?

I'll take becoming enjoyable to watch again. At this stage, I pretty much ******* hate watching and following the Texans. We're boring, we have zero identity, we're terribly coached and terribly prepared especially against every major opponent. We're hardly even likable off the field or as a model franchise anymore. I'd do anything to feel excitement for games and more importantly DURING games. I used to wait all week anxiously and would love waking up to watch Football Sunday but the past three years, this feeling has gotten progressively non-existent and I pretty much feel nothing positive about the sport or the team I root for.

Frankly, before we discuss Romo coming in and helping us win a Super Bowl, we should discuss Romo coming in and making us WATCHABLE again. We watch football to be entertained and to enjoy it. I don't buy into "win whichever way you can" because you're supposed to love the team you watch regardless. We have pretty much zero likable characteristics at the moment outside of JJ Watt's presence as a player, leader, teammate, and presence on the football landscape. Even if we somehow won last year, it wouldn't have been very enjoyable because I see no pleasure in what's happened in Houston the last 3 years and first and foremost I want to address that.

So whether it's Romo or Cutler or whoever this Mahomes guy is or maybe even some refugee or some ****, whoever and whatever makes this team likable again, that's what I'm rooting for.

I will give you that the team was very boring to watch. That's what happens when you have terrible QB play. A new QB and fixed OL and they will become watchable again. If they dont then I'm on board with letting BOB go.

As to the rest of your post, 1. You would think the team was 2-14 like under Kubiak/Capers again.

2. What would make you love this team again, short of rehiring Kubiak? What in the world made you think this franchise has ever been a model franchise? Model in mediocrity yes, model in making $$$ yes, model in what takes to put a true contender on the field, not so much.

Or is this post just another I hate BOB/Love Kubiak post? BTW, BOB has made the playoffs in 3 yrs as many times as Kubiak did in 8. I know you hate this.

Al;so you're going to get your wish because Ricky McNair is in the process of stabbing BOB in the back, just like he did to Kubes.

In short will anything other than firing BOB make you love the Texans again? If the answer is no then you've got conditional love for the Texans.

BTW, I feel the same way you do about Ricky McNair that you do BOB. Difference is I will remain a fan.

 

[TexansSeminole]

The O'Brien is a an offensive mastermind and a QB guru is a PR promotion. In much the same way the Texans created an image of Bob McNair being one of the best hands off owners in sports. History suggest otherwise on both accounts. O'Brien is still benefiting from Wade Phillips Defense that is mostly been kept intact. O'Brien has pretty much dismantled Kubiak's offense and the statistics show is has been for the worse.

First, I'll say that I wasn't in favor of letting Kubiak go, so I'm not arguing that the OB hire was a better decision than letting Kubiak stick around.

I will say that I think OB's scheme is more dependent on the QB talent and that QBs ability to make reads, although I don't think more than the average offense, just more than Kubiak's scheme. Kubiak's scheme was notorious for being relatively easy on that front. I think this is part of why you hear about how complicated the offense is from our fans, because we previously had Kubiak.

Having said that, I don't think this scheme has some kind of ceiling on it. I don't see any reason that it can't be great. I believe that we won't see a significant improvement until we see a significant improvement in who we have under center. This ain't the Kubiak scheme where Sage Rosenfels can come in and look far better than what he is.

Acquiring the needed talent at QB to make the scheme successful is part of OB and Rick Smith's job. If they can't do that, then they both need to be replaced. I think they both know that and that's why you see this push for Romo, even though he comes with a huge medical question mark.

 

[Texian]

This is kind of odd to hear from you, given how much you like Jimbo Fisher. Jimbo is very hard on his QBs, and he yells at them constantly, yet every QB to ever play for him raves about him, even well after they've matured past their college days.

That's why I say that the Brady argument was mild. Hell, Jimbo screams at his QB after almost every drive that isn't a TD and these are highly successful players for the most part.

There are great coaches like Jimbo and then there is the opposite. I know when you put a microphone in O'Brien's hand and a camera in his face you can tell he doesn't want to be there and it's usually is bad or uncomfortable TV. On the other hand, Jimbo embraces it, enjoys it, appreciates it and it always makes for interesting informative TV. So much so you don't want a miss a Jimbo interview. I think this behavior says quite a bit about how well a coach is perceived and how well they can coach.

As for the Brady argument it was so mild that Belichick felt compelled to come over and get between the two and tell O'Brien to back off.

 

[Number19]

Doesn't change the equation either way. If Oz was an insubordinate incompetent before that day he should have been inactive if one was and Weeden should have been the backup.

If I'm understanding you, I tend to agree. But this is part of what made the end of the season so puzzling to me and started me questioning the politics of the organization and what the *** was going on.

 

[TexansSeminole]

Doesn't change the equation either way. If Oz was an insubordinate incompetent before that day he should have been inactive if one was and Weeden should have been the backup.

I think you would, with some legitimacy, be asked if making Brock inactive was really an option for OB. In other words, would OB have the power to actually do that?

 

[thunderkyss]

This is kind of odd to hear from you, given how much you like Jimbo Fisher. Jimbo is very hard on his QBs, and he yells at them constantly, yet every QB to ever play for him raves about him, even well after they've matured past their college days.

That's why I say that the Brady argument was mild. Hell, Jimbo screams at his QB after almost every drive that isn't a TD and these are highly successful players for the most part.

Maybe it comes from a matter of respect. The QBs playing for Fisher may feel like he knows what he's talking about & see that yelling as constructive criticism. Where coming from O'b... maybe he says things that contradict things he said a few minutes earlier, or the last time they were in that situation, or just don't make sense.

Maybe Fisher is involved in every aspect of his QBs development. The guy relates with his players on a daily bases & O'b only addresses the QB when he has something negative to say.


Who knows. But yelling in itself is neither here nor there. I can yell at my kids & they know where my head is at... trying to stop them from making a mistake, not trying to intimidate or bully them.

 

[TexansSeminole]

Maybe it comes from a matter of respect. The QBs playing for Fisher may feel like he knows what he's talking about & see that yelling as constructive criticism. Where coming from O'b... maybe he says things that contradict things he said a few minutes earlier, or the last time they were in that situation, or just don't make sense.

Maybe Fisher is involved in every aspect of his QBs development. The guy relates with his players on a daily bases & O'b only addresses the QB when he has something negative to say.


Who knows. But yelling in itself is neither here nor there. I can yell at my kids & they know where my head is at... trying to stop them from making a mistake, not trying to intimidate or bully them.

It'd be hard to say for sure, but given that OB talked glowingly about his QB room on a very popular show in Hard Knocks, I seriously doubt that everything is always negative with him.

 

[thunderkyss]

Or is this post just another I hate BOB/Love Kubiak post? BTW, BOB has made the playoffs in 3 yrs as many times as Kubiak did in 8. I know you hate this.

 

[Texian]

First, I'll say that I wasn't in favor of letting Kubiak go, so I'm not arguing that the OB hire was a better decision than letting Kubiak stick around.

I will say that I think OB's scheme is more dependent on the QB talent and that QBs ability to make reads, although I don't think more than the average offense, just more than Kubiak's scheme. Kubiak's scheme was notorious for being relatively easy on that front. I think this is part of why you hear about how complicated the offense is from our fans, because we previously had Kubiak.

Having said that, I don't think this scheme has some kind of ceiling on it. I don't see any reason that it can't be great. I believe that we won't see a significant improvement until we see a significant improvement in who we have under center. This ain't the Kubiak scheme where Sage Rosenfels can come in and look far better than what he is.

Acquiring the needed talent at QB to make the scheme successful is part of OB and Rick Smith's job. If they can't do that, then they both need to be replaced. I think they both know that and that's why you see this push for Romo, even though he comes with a huge medical question mark.

My bottom line on O'Brien's guruness is his reputation proceeds him, he's guilty by association. Associated with the Patriots, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.

You and I agree on Kubiak. I too think McNair made a mistake in firing Kubiak after having a temper tantrum on his plane ride home for pulling Keenum and playing Schuab. It would have been interesting to see just how Kubiak would've addressed the Schuab fiasco in the off season. I am a BIG fan of Alex Gibbs ZBS, when it's tuned up, there is nothing better. Also a BIG fan of the Bill Walsh WCO. But that takes a QB who above all else is dead on balls accurate.

The common denominator and barometer that I use to judge the O'Brien offense is DeAndre Hopkins. Since O'Brien has arrived and began dismantling the Kubiak offense, Nuk's production has consistently gone down.

 

[dalemurphy]

We can debate OBrien all day, but, if this report is true, one thing is certain- Osweiler doesn't have what it takes to lead an offense and/or a team... what a cowardly attitude. If he was pissed about the benching, he should have told Obrien, "you should have done this earlier. Now I am going to show you what a big mistak you made... I am going to go out and win this game. You can apologize afterwards."

 

[Texecutioner]

Honestly?

I'll take becoming enjoyable to watch again. At this stage, I pretty much ******* hate watching and following the Texans. We're boring, we have zero identity, we're terribly coached and terribly prepared especially against every major opponent. We're hardly even likable off the field or as a model franchise anymore. I'd do anything to feel excitement for games and more importantly DURING games. I used to wait all week anxiously and would love waking up to watch Football Sunday but the past three years, this feeling has gotten progressively non-existent and I pretty much feel nothing positive about the sport or the team I root for.

Frankly, before we discuss Romo coming in and helping us win a Super Bowl, we should discuss Romo coming in and making us WATCHABLE again. We watch football to be entertained and to enjoy it. I don't buy into "win whichever way you can" because you're supposed to love the team you watch regardless. We have pretty much zero likable characteristics at the moment outside of JJ Watt's presence as a player, leader, teammate, and presence on the football landscape. Even if we somehow won last year, it wouldn't have been very enjoyable because I see no pleasure in what's happened in Houston the last 3 years and first and foremost I want to address that.

So whether it's Romo or Cutler or whoever this Mahomes guy is or maybe even some refugee or some ****, whoever and whatever makes this team likable again, that's what I'm rooting for.

Lol! This post is so full of butt hurt all because you don't like the coach that you sound halfway insane it has so much fail to it as far as any accuracy goes. Might as well be in the drunk thread, but I'll look forward to more of these as the season goes on.

 

[Texecutioner]

My bottom line on O'Brien's guruness is his reputation proceeds him, he's guilty by association. Associated with the Patriots, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.

You and I agree on Kubiak. I too think McNair made a mistake in firing Kubiak after having a temper tantrum on his plane ride home for pulling Keenum and playing Schuab. It would have been interesting to see just how Kubiak would've addressed the Schuab fiasco in the off season. I am a

The common denominator and barometer that I use to judge the O'Brien offense is DeAndre Hopkins. Since O'Brien has arrived and began dismantling the Kubiak offense, Nuk's production has consistently gone down.

Uuummmm what!? Lol!

Nuke's production went up in OB'S first two years here to where he became arguably elite. It went down last season and that's attributed to Osweiller more than anything. The offense was shitty the other two seasons here due to bad QB play then too, but it only went down under Oz. It increased the other two years with like 4 or 5 QB'S being shifted in and out of there.

 

[infantrycak]

We can debate OBrien all day, but, if this report is true, one thing is certain- Osweiler doesn't have what it takes to lead an offense and/or a team... what a cowardly attitude. If he was pissed about the benching, he should have told Obrien, "you should have done this earlier. Now I am going to show you what a big mistak you made... I am going to go out and win this game. You can apologize afterwards."

Mind you we are getting a team leak on what transpired. Oz refused to talk while appearing at Kurt Warner's camp - didn't want to be a distraction. Truth is probably somewhat different.

 

[Thorn]

Well, crap. I think I still had a few more nick names for assinheimer I haven't used yet.

Knowing the Texans, I should probably save them for future use though.

 

[DocBar]

Link about the confrontation in week 17 between Os and OB.

So when did the Texans decide it was time to move on from quarterback Brock Osweiler despite a contract that pays $16 million guaranteed in 2017? The decision was made in the aftermath of an incident that occurred on the first day of the calendar year.

 

[Texian]

Uuummmm what!? Lol!

Nuke's production went up in OB'S first two years here to where he became arguably elite. It went down last season and that's attributed to Osweiller more than anything. The offense was shitty the other two seasons here due to bad QB play then too, but it only went down under Oz. It increased the other two years with like 4 or 5 QB'S being shifted in and out of there.

I guess it's all in how you look at it. Even as a ROOKIE when Schaub was self destructing, Nuk had his highest % of catches vs # of targets. During O'Brien's 3 years Nuk's avg yard per catch has gone down.

 

[steelbtexan]

edit.

This is THE issue

Until they change the way they aquire talent in FA/Draft we will continue to see more of the same.

 

[Mollywhopper]

I guess it's all in how you look at it. Even as a ROOKIE when Schaub was self destructing, Nuk had his highest % of catches vs # of targets. During O'Brien's 3 years Nuk's avg yard per catch has gone down.

No he didn't. Next to last in fact.

2013 - 52c / 91t - 57.1%
2014 - 76c / 127t - 59.8%
2015 - 111c / 192t - 57.8%
2016 - 78c / 151t - 51.7%

Went up to his career high during OB. Then dipped, but still better than that rookie year. Then came the baby giraffe anomaly.

 

[Lucky]

It's just kind of absurd to think he's going to remain healthy all year and through the playoffs.

OK, but what are the Texans options? Getting Romo doesn't preclude the Texans from drafting QB. If/when Romo goes down, they either insert Savage (no man of steel, himself) or go with on the job training with the rook. There's no Mr. Perfect available. Just be grateful there's no Osweiler, either.

 

[Texian]

Maybe it comes from a matter of respect. The QBs playing for Fisher may feel like he knows what he's talking about & see that yelling as constructive criticism. Where coming from O'b... maybe he says things that contradict things he said a few minutes earlier, or the last time they were in that situation, or just don't make sense.

Maybe Fisher is involved in every aspect of his QBs development. The guy relates with his players on a daily bases & O'b only addresses the QB when he has something negative to say.


Who knows. But yelling in itself is neither here nor there. I can yell at my kids & they know where my head is at... trying to stop them from making a mistake, not trying to intimidate or bully them.

A couple of things here, I believe that while Fisher can be hard on his QBs he can also be quite effusive in his praise of them. With O'Brien I think they get a bigger dose of the negativity and a lot less of the positive reinforcements. I also think Fisher's harsh criticisms are more of a teaching moment and not so much of a negative berating moment.

Here is what I can foresee happening in a Romo - O'Brien relationship. There is a real distinct possibility that Romo knows a lot more about running an offense and reading a defense than Bill O'Brien does. Sensing that O'Brien thinks he's the smartest person in the room and therefore it is more about him, this is setting up for what would be another recipe for the making of another confrontation.

 

[TexansSeminole]

OK, but what are the Texans options? Getting Romo doesn't preclude the Texans from drafting QB. If/when Romo goes down, they either insert Savage (no man of steel, himself) or go with on the job training with the rook. There's no Mr. Perfect available. Just be grateful there's no Osweiler, either.

As far as FA options, there aren't many. That's pretty much how it always is and will be. There's usually a reason that these FA QBs are available.

The other option was to simply cut Osweiler and either take the additional $6M hit this year or leave that for next year (probably leave it to next year). Use draft assets to move up in the draft to acquire a QB that they identify as having a chance to be their guy, simply take a guy at #25, or take someone like Peterman in the 2nd round (might have to move up in the 2nd for him). They could draft a QB later in this draft and plan to use that 2nd round pick from next year to move up in the 2018 draft a year later, if they don't feel comfortable enough with who they get this year. A trade up next year is going to be very difficult to swing now without that 2nd round pick. A trade up obviously isn't necessary to acquire a QB, but it is a nice option to have if you determine that you really like someone that might be slightly out of reach for you in the 1st or even 2nd round.

The real question is, did they need to do this trade with the Browns in order to even sign Romo? I think he'll probably be getting close to $15M. You do that deal and we still would have around $4M after draft picks to sign players. You can extend Hopkins without changing his cap hit for this year. Can they not find a way to modify their cap situation in conjunction with the remaining $4M in order to fill in gaps with other FAs? Bergstrom and Clark are pretty easy cuts and they add $5M or so to available cap. There are other cuts, like Cushing, that could be made if they plan to sign FAs at those player's positions. I don't think they'll do that, but it is an option if they have a plan to spend money in FA.

The thing is, I don't see the Texans signing any of these FAs. In fact, most of the FA OL are gone. TJ Lang just signed today with Detroit. Who else is available there that is worth paying big money? We've let Bouye, Simon, and Demps walk, which leaves only Aboushi as a potential re-sign and he's not going to be expensive. Where is all this money that we opened up via the trade going to be spent?

 

[Thorn]

OK, but what are the Texans options? Getting Romo doesn't preclude the Texans from drafting QB. If/when Romo goes down, they either insert Savage (no man of steel, himself) or go with on the job training with the rook. There's no Mr. Perfect available. Just be grateful there's no Osweiler, either.

It's actually sort of a mental relief knowing I don't have to think about Osweiler now. I already feel more comfortable going into the season even though we still don't have a QB.

Of course we haven't had a QB in years, but at least I'm used to that. Not having a QB is like having a broke foot, but having Osweiler is like having gout in your broke foot.

 

[Texansballer74]

Week 17 altercation was last straw for Texans and Osweiler


So when did the Texans decide it was time to move on from quarterback Brock Osweiler despite a contract that pays $16 million guaranteed in 2017? The decision was made in the aftermath of an incident that occurred on the first day of the calendar year.
January 1. Texans at Titans. Backup-turned-starter Tom Savage took a hit on a quarterback sneak during the first play of the second quarter and was removed for a concussion evaluation. Starter-turned-backup Brock Osweiler entered the game.

Confusion emerged during the second quarter as to whether Savage had been cleared to return to action. At halftime, Savage got the news: He was being shut down for the day.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Savage became very upset, knocking things around in the locker room and otherwise making a ruckus about having his status jeopardized by a doctor’s decision to keep him from playing. At or about the same time, coach Bill O’Brien informed Osweiler that he’d be finishing the game.
Osweiler, per the source, reacted negatively, telling O’Brien in the visiting coach’s office at Nissan Stadium in Nashville that he’s only playing Osweiler because O’Brien needs him. [Editor’s note: That’s sort of how football depth charts work.] An argument ensued, voices were raised. At one point, it’s believed that Osweiler got up to walk away and O’Brien threw out an arm to stop him. That prompted Osweiler to act as if he were being “held hostage,” a claim that he would repeat (per the source) in the days after the game.
And that was that for Osweiler in Houston. Following that incident, the team was determined to find a way to move on from him.
Rumors of an incident of some sort had been percolating for weeks. Both O’Brien and Osweiler downplayed talk of a loud argument in the days after the game. Following the hot potato trade that sent Osweiler and a second-round pick to Cleveland, former NFL defensive back Bryant McFadden said in an appearance on 120 Sports that Osweiler and O’Brien had a “physical confrontation that got ugly.”
“It was physical,” McFadden said. “It was physical. The players and coaches had to restrain O’Brien and Brock.”
Both the Texans and Osweiler’s agent, Jimmy Sexton, declined to comment on McFadden’s claims. Based on the information PFT has obtained, it seems that the incident was mildly physical at worst.


By: Mike Florio
ProFootballTalk

 

[Texansballer74]

I wonder if this is actually true. If so, " wow what a moron Brock Trash Osweiler is and I'm glad we dumped that turd back into the gutter in which he belongs.

 

[DocBar]

A couple of things here, I believe that while Fisher can be hard on his QBs he can also be quite effusive in his praise of them. With O'Brien I think they get a bigger dose of the negativity and a lot less of the positive reinforcements. I also think Fisher's harsh criticisms are more of a teaching moment and not so much of a negative berating moment.

Here is what I can foresee happening in a Romo - O'Brien relationship. There is a real distinct possibility that Romo knows a lot more about running an offense and reading a defense than Bill O'Brien does. Sensing that O'Brien thinks he's the smartest person in the room and therefore it is more about him, this is setting up for what would be another recipe for the making of another confrontation.

Maybe McNair should do a little meddling and get OB on some meds to control his potential bipolar disorder. I've worked for people with terrible tempers and got yelled at, but it never went to the point of a physical confrontation. That bothers me.

 

[PapaL]

Brock really seems like the coddled athlete. Thought he was big man in Denver but ran away to Houston when the starter came back. Thought he was the big dick on team until OB called him out and eventually got him moved. Very interesting.

 

[DBCooper]

No he didn't. Next to last in fact.

2013 - 52c / 91t - 57.1%
2014 - 76c / 127t - 59.8%
2015 - 111c / 192t - 57.8%
2016 - 78c / 151t - 51.7%

Went up to his career high during OB. Then dipped, but still better than that rookie year. Then came the baby giraffe anomaly.

Funny when people use the stats as proof of their spiel then f@ck that up.

Lol

 

[DocBar]

I'm as concerned that OB allowed it to get to the point of a physical confrontation, minor or otherwise, as I am that Os was being a less than good team mate. I understand both being upset about the situation, but not to the point of physicality. That's unacceptable from both parties, but I expect the head coach to be more in control of himself.

 

[banned1976]

Poor, poor Brock. Bullied by a coach. Meanwhile, the defense is responding to Mike Vrable.

 

[banned1976]

Well, crap. I think I still had a few more nick names for assinheimer I haven't used yet.

Knowing the Texans, I should probably save them for future use though.

He's Oswhiner to me now.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Bottom line is Buttchin needs a smart QB to run his system. Romo is one of the smartest. It will work.

Osweiler wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, is mentally weak and scared to take the big hits.

Give me heart. Give me smarts. I don't want a ***** back there scared to make a mistake.

Apart from the fact he sucked, he wanted to cop an attitude with the HC? Bye Felicia.

 

[zshawn10]

Brock really seems like the coddled athlete. Thought he was big man in Denver but ran away to Houston when the starter came back. Thought he was the big dick on team until OB called him out and eventually got him moved. Very interesting.

There was a report that he said he regrets going to Houston and wanted to stay with the Broncos

 

[zshawn10]

Benjamin Allbright

✔@AllbrightNFL
Context Osweiler/O'Brien altercation that people are missing is that O'Brien never wanted Osweiler to begin with, & made no secret of it.

1:59 PM - 12 Mar 2017



Benjamin Allbright

✔@AllbrightNFL
@ZoneReads Owner and FO had wanted Osweiler for awhile. Tried to trade for him. Finally got him in FA.

2:13 PM - 12 Mar 2017

 

[zshawn10]

What transpired between Smith and Sashi Brown, Cleveland’s executive vice president of football operations, required out-of-the-box thinking. After a couple of weeks of phone calls, they got serious about the trade at the combine in Indianapolis.

Ultimately, Smith and Brown were able to pull off the kind of creative trade that’s routine in the NBA but unprecedented in the NFL. The league had to scrutinize the deal before approving it.

The Texans like Savage. They respect his ability and work ethic. He has had trouble staying healthy, though. Unlike a lot of fans and media, they won’t panic if they enter the season with Savage as their starter.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...995418.php?t=465aa36964&cmpid=twitter-premium

 

[Thorsson]

The Texans owe the Browns BIG time for taking Osweiler and his ridiculous contract off their hands.

The trouble started when Osweiler was just handed the starting job without ever having to earn it. It was obvious to almost everyone that both Weeden and Savage were better QBs; Weeden with the better arm and Savage with more poise.

I am really curious as to what the Browns now plan to do with Osweiler. I just cannot picture him throwing on the shores of Lake Erie in December with the winds howling in and chilling temperatures. Getting sacked on frozen ground is not like getting sacked in Houston! Just ask Weeden, he had the misfortune of being drafted by the Browns. Lol

 

[DBCooper]

The Texans owe the Browns BIG time for taking Osweiler and his ridiculous contract off their hands.

The trouble started when Osweiler was just handed the starting job without ever having to earn it. It was obvious to almost everyone that both Weeden and Savage were better QBs; Weeden with the better arm and Savage with more poise.

I am really curious as to what the Browns now plan to do with Osweiler. I just cannot picture him throwing on the shores of Lake Erie in December with the winds howling in and chilling temperatures. Getting sacked on frozen ground is not like getting sacked in Houston! Just ask Weeden, he had the misfortune of being drafted by the Browns. Lol

Are you going to be upset if you don't start this season?

 

[Thorsson]

Are you going to be upset if you don't start this season?

Lol. Nope. Anything is better than having to sit behind an inferior QB.