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Waiting for texans news this morning for some reason- like something dramatic is about to happen.
 
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Texansphan said:
Random thought of the day - DJ Reader is far away the best Texans ROTY.:clap:
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He was my adopted Texan when the year started. I was elated to see things start to click for him at the end of the year. Even is he doesn't improve this offseason, he'll be better next season just because he'll have JJ on one side and Clowney on the other. I think the kid has potential tho. Hopefully he takes a big step this offseason.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Crennel's contract expires next week...........O'Brien wants him back...........Smith the genius (and McNair) have not yet even begun discussions............:chef:
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According to that story the job of retaining coaches falls to O'Brien.
HOUSTON -- Texans defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel's contract expires Jan. 24, a source told ESPN's Adam Caplan.
According to Caplan, the Texans have not yet started negotiating a new deal with Crennel. On Monday, head coach Bill O'Brien said he wants his defensive coordinator to return next season.

"I think that Romeo has done a great job," O'Brien said. "I know that we would love to have him back. I know that. But I haven't even sat down with any of the coaches yet or anything like that.
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...well except for Godsey who he kicked to the curb.

And unless someone offers RAC a head coaching job, why would he walk away from what he's built here to start over as DC someplace else?

Of course, having said that, O'Brien and Smith really need to get busy.
 
ObsiWan said:
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According to that story the job of retaining coaches falls to O'Brien.
...well except for Godsey who he kicked to the curb.

And unless someone offers RAC a head coaching job, why would he walk away from what he's built here to start over as DC someplace else?

Of course, having said that, O'Brien and Smith really need to get busy.
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Everyone is taking a week off. OB said that they may get back to work next week.
 
I wonder if they are taking their time with Romeo to try to see if they can work Vrabel into an assistant DC position or give it to him outright. That way in two years when OBs contract is up he can step into the HC position.
 
TexansBull said:
I wonder if they are taking their time with Romeo to try to see if they can work Vrabel into an assistant DC position or give it to him outright. That way in two years when OBs contract is up he can step into the HC position.
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They have been working almost continuously since training camp. Don't you think they deserve a week or two off time with their families?
 
ObsiWan said:
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According to that story the job of retaining coaches falls to O'Brien.
...well except for Godsey who he kicked to the curb.

And unless someone offers RAC a head coaching job, why would he walk away from what he's built here to start over as DC someplace else?

Of course, having said that, O'Brien and Smith really need to get busy.
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O'Brien has stated that he wants Crennel to stay, but only Smith/McNair can put together and offer a contract.
 
Texansphan said:
Random thought of the day - DJ Reader is far away the best Texans ROTY.:clap:
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Reader.....our new Wilfork.

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Texans' D.J. Reader ready to graduate after Vince Wilfork's lessons
January 17, 2017


The apprenticeship is basically over for Texans nose tackle D.J. Reader, save for any last-minute tips from veteran Vince Wilfork.

Reader spent his rookie season absorbing knowledge from Wilfork, getting expert tutoring from one of the masters of the art form of interior defensive line play.

After Wilfork signaled his impending retirement by saying he's probably played his last football game following an AFC divisional-round playoff loss to the New England Patriots, the torch is about to be passed on to Reader.

Reader broke bread often with Wilfork, one of the true heavyweights of the NFL. Reader watched how Wilfork fought through double-team blocking, how he adeptly two-gapped to control centers and guards to anchor the middle of the Texans' top-ranked defense.

Now, it's about to be Reader's time to assume those responsibilities on a full-time basis following an encouraging rookie campaign spent learning from Wilfork and defensive line coach and former Texans and Baltimore Ravens defensive end Anthony Weaver.

"It's going to be a job I'm going to have to step into," Reader said. "Play my hardest to be able to do it. Vince taught me well, Coach Weav taught me well. I'm excited about it."

The institutional knowledge gathered from Wilfork, a five-time Pro Bowl selection and a two-time Super Bowl champion, has been invaluable to Reader.

Reader was one of the Texans' top rookies last season. Selected 166th overall, Reader appeared in every game. He started seven of them and displayed enough potential that Texans coach Bill O'Brien lavished heavy praise on him during his season-ending news conference.

"D.J. Reader is one of the better young defensive linemen I've been around in the NFL," O'Brien said. "He's tough. He's built low to the ground. He's hard to move. He's got good pass rush skills and there's a lot to improve on. That's what we all have spoken to him about over the last part of the season is, 'Hey, look this is good, but think about how much better it could be.'

"So, he's a really good young player that has a really good future as long as he continues to understand this is what it's going to take for me to get to the level I want to get to as a player and help us get to that level as a team."

As a rookie, Reader had 22 tackles (two for losses) and one sack against the Jacksonville Jaguars. He sacked Oakland Raiders rookie quarterback Connor Cook in the Texans' AFC wild-card playoff win.

Reader feels ready for a larger role going forward.

"Just trusting myself, trusting my keys, playing hard and physical every play," Reader said when asked what qualifies him to be a full-time starter. "Good body for it, built for it. I'm just excited to be hard-nosed out there."

At Clemson, Reader finished with 145 career tackles (nine for losses) and five sacks. Reader didn't appear to wear down much, but he acknowledged that he kind of hit the proverbial rookie wall at some point later in the season.

"I don't even know if I have a specific time," Reader said. "It just started getting rough and then I tried to grind it out. I don't know when I hit it, but I know I definitely hit it because I'm real tired right now. Real tired."

Reader can spend this offseason training specifically for football instead of the NFL scouting combine and running 40-yard dashes. He can lift weights, study video of his rookie performances and participate in the Texans' offseason training program, organized team activities and minicamps.

"It's crazy. I'm not out there running 40s now," Reader said. "I don't have to worry about doing that or worry about any coaches coming up to me and just pressuring me. It's going to be fun to be able to just get to straight football, get on your body and work on yourself better."
 
Watching the steelers-pats game. Simms made a atatement like....steelers play for championships not to just get into the playoffs.

Sadly ,the Texans came to my mind :(
 
... and the Steelers will be watching the SB from their couches just like the Texans...

I don't understand what we are trying to say, I didn't see any Texans say woo we won the division and break into a rousing verse of "We are the champions, my friends..."

Every team plays for Super Bowls, with varying levels of success. With as many problems as the team actually has do we really have to go looking for more?
 
ESPN's 2016 All-AFC South team


OFFENSE

QB Andrew Luck, IND

WR: T.Y. Hilton, IND

WR: DeAndre Hopkins, HOU

RB: DeMarco Murray, TEN

TE: Delanie Walker, TEN

LT: Taylor Lewan, TEN

LG: Quinton Spain, TEN

C: Brandon Linder, JAX

RG: None

RT: Jack Conklin, TEN

FLEX: Rishard Matthews, TEN

DEFENSE

DE: Jadeveon Clowney, HOU

NT: Malik Jackson, JAX

DE: Jurrell Casey, TEN

OLB: Whitney Mercilus, HOU

ILB: Benardrick McKinney, HOU

ILB: Avery Williamson, TEN

OLB: Brian Orakpo, TEN

CB: Jalen Ramsey, JAX

FS: Kevin Byard, TEN

SS: Quintin Demps, HOU

CB: Vontae Davis, IND

Nickel CB: A.J. Bouye, HOU

SPECIAL TEAMS

K: Adam Vinatieri, IND

P: Pat McAfee, IND

KR: Marqise Lee, JAX

PR: None
 
PapaL said:
He's going to be paid by someone...

Pro Football FocusVerified account‏@PFF
Top-graded CBs in the NFL 1. Chris Harris Jr., Broncos, 92.9 2. Aqib Talib, Broncos, 91.3 3. A.J. Bouye, Texans, 90.9
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One of the things you immediately see is how pressure helps DBs. Unfortunately, one of the things that isn't included in those ratings is penalties and timing of penalties. Bouye was good on shorter routes. Much like KJ, he can handle plays in front of him. But when plays go beyond 10 yards, he grabs and commits fouls. He was amongst the tops in the league in committing PI and defensive holding.

If you are going to grade a CB, you have to include penalties or your rating system is deeply flawed.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
... and the Steelers will be watching the SB from their couches just like the Texans...

I don't understand what we are trying to say, I didn't see any Texans say woo we won the division and break into a rousing verse of "We are the champions, my friends..."

Every team plays for Super Bowls, with varying levels of success. With as many problems as the team actually has do we really have to go looking for more?
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You see that with fans, undoubtedly. There are a group of fans here that consistently tout our ability to win the AFC South as a crowning achievement.

You've been around long enough, it's surprising you don't see what is being said here. @JB, @dream_team, two who liked your post, and @Fred are among those.
 
TexansSeminole said:
You see that with fans, undoubtedly. There are a group of fans here that consistently tout our ability to win the AFC South as a crowning achievement.

You've been around long enough, it's surprising you don't see what is being said here. @JB, @dream_team, two who liked your post, and @Fred are among those.
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Sorry but you are wrong. I see winning the division as an achievement, but not a crowning achievement. I want more. I want to have more rings than the steelers and the pats. But I'm not gonna focus on the negatives because that doesn't do my stress levels any good so I try to look at what's gone right. There hasn't been much of that but I'm a fanatic so what can I do? There are plenty here that are unhappy enough to ruin everyone else's day, I don't need to jump on that wagon with every post
 
TexansSeminole said:
You see that with fans, undoubtedly. There are a group of fans here that consistently tout our ability to win the AFC South as a crowning achievement.

You've been around long enough, it's surprising you don't see what is being said here. @JB, @dream_team, two who liked your post, and @Fred are among those.
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When I play the lotto, I want to win the $10mil dollar jackpot. If I don't win it all, but come close and still win $1mil... yes, I'm going to be happy.

I'm happy the Texans won the division, I'd be 100x more happier if they won the Super Bowl.

I don't get why I'm not allowed to celebrate a division championship?
 
dream_team said:
When I play the lotto, I want to win the $10mil dollar jackpot. If I don't win it all, but come close and still win $1mil... yes, I'm going to be happy.

I'm happy the Texans won the division, I'd be 100x more happier if they won the Super Bowl.

I don't get why I'm not allowed to celebrate a division championship?
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positive thinkers aren't allowed around here
 
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People weren't near as down on the 2-14 Texans as they are the 2016 Texans. Guess it's all the high expectations people had have led to the bitterness being shown
 
JB said:
positive thinkers aren't allowed around here
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Now I can understand this sentiment towards McNair, Rick, BOB, or even the players. I can understand not wanting to see them too happy about a division championship, because you want to see them hungrier for more.

But me? I'm just a mere fan with zero control over the success of the team. Me being happy or disappointed will not effect the team one bit!
 
dream_team said:
Now I can understand this sentiment towards McNair, Rick, BOB, or even the players. I can understand not wanting to see them too happy about a division championship, because you want to see them hungrier for more.

But me? I'm just a mere fan with zero control over the success of the team. Me being happy or disappointed will not effect the team one bit!
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Exactly. After all it's just entertainment for our viewing pleasure.
 
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patrick ‏@PatDSta


Bill O'Brien was just on @SiriusXMNFL at the Senior Bowl. RACs deal is a 2-year deal to be the #Texans assistant head coach.


O'B mention that they wanted to keep RAC inside the building. Will help OB and have a hand in the defense but Vrabel to run the defense.

Smart move on McNair's part.

I think this is a message to O'Brien "fix it or else".

Two years from now we may see Vrabel take over the team if things don't vastly improve.

:coffee:
 
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TexansSeminole said:
You see that with fans, undoubtedly. There are a group of fans here that consistently tout our ability to win the AFC South as a crowning achievement.

You've been around long enough, it's surprising you don't see what is being said here. @JB, @dream_team, two who liked your post, and @Fred are among those.
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I'm not sure I have seen anyone say it is the crowning achievement, but surely everyone can agree that it IS an achievement? Are there actually fans on this board that believe the Steelers, Patriots, Giants, etc. etc. don't celebrate winning their division? The wildcard teams celebrate being the wild card, shirts and hats for everyone!

Why can't we as fans celebrate team achievements? I just can't be the doom and gloom guy all day every day. I was happy they won the division, happy they managed to win 9 games (reg. season) happy about particular plays within the games and unhappy with other things.

I'm unhappy we seem to be "stuck" in good enough, but not good enough mode, that we can't seem to figure out the QB situation and I'm not even talking about getting a franchise guy, hell I could get happy with not being worst I would piss myself with Alex Smith level.

I also see the long game, I can't change who owns the team, or who they hire to GM, coach, scout, so all I hope for is they go through their growing pains and figure it out. Yes it has been a long time for the Texans, but if you aren't the Patriots of the last 10-15 years it is a long damn time for every team.

Maybe I'm just an evolved "complicated" human - I don't have to actually be pissed about everything the Texans do to enjoy the sport of football. They make mistakes, they get some stuff right... such is life. If any of that makes me less of a fan in your or anyone else's eyes? I can live with that too.
 
Winning a division is an achievement because it gets you into the playoffs, but division championships are not equal in achievement. This isn't a foreign argument around here.

For instance:

Fred said:
In the 3 seasons since 2013, the Texans have 3 winning seasons and 2 division titles, with some of the worst QB play in history. The Falcons have 1 winning season and 1 division title with a top tier QB. No doubt the Texans are laughing stock of the league and the worst team in history because they have only won the division 4 times in the last 6 years. You should root for a team more appropriate for you. I suggest the Browns, Jaguars, or 49ers. The Falcons wouldn't be good because they played over 40 years before they ever had 2 winning seasons in a row so you would have given up on them way before then.
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This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. The AFC South is not the NFC South.

This argument is used frequently when discussing Rick Smith and/or when comparing the Texans to the top teams in the league. You can be happy that the Texans won the division, but when it's consistently used alone as the example of how the Texans are on the right track, it's not accurate. Winning the AFC South over the past 4 years has been the easiest division championship to attain.

I'm not sure why my argument was construed as "you shouldn't be celebrating a division championship." I also said nothing about level of fandom. I don't have any reason or wish to compare fans. If anything, the "you fan wrong" statements are made by the people who can't deal with posts in which fans scrutinize the moves and direction of the franchise. If reading arguments that paint the Texans in a negative light ruins your day, how is that the fault of that fan? That's your own fault.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Winning a division is an achievement because it gets you into the playoffs, but division championships are not equal in achievement. This isn't a foreign argument around here.

For instance:



This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. The AFC South is not the NFC South.

This argument is used frequently when discussing Rick Smith and/or when comparing the Texans to the top teams in the league. You can be happy that the Texans won the division, but when it's consistently used alone as the example of how the Texans are on the right track, it's not accurate. Winning the AFC South over the past 4 years has been the easiest division championship to attain.
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We're not in the same league as the Patriots. This year, we don't hold a candle to Pittsburgh. But other than that I think this team competes well with every other team in the AFC. We don't dominate, but we're as competitive as any of them.

We're the weakest of the division champions, sure. If Oakland were in our division would we have still won it? Maybe, maybe not. If Miami was in our division would we have still won? I think so.

But the NFCSouth was not particularly strong this year. Neither was the NFCWest or the NFCNorth. You've got one good team & a bunch of other teams. Same thing with the AFCNorth & AFCEast.
 
TexansSeminole said:
One of the things you immediately see is how pressure helps DBs. Unfortunately, one of the things that isn't included in those ratings is penalties and timing of penalties. Bouye was good on shorter routes. Much like KJ, he can handle plays in front of him. But when plays go beyond 10 yards, he grabs and commits fouls. He was amongst the tops in the league in committing PI and defensive holding.

If you are going to grade a CB, you have to include penalties or your rating system is deeply flawed.
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I don't pay for PFF so I don't know how they rate these players. Can you share their grading scheme?
 
PapaL said:
I don't pay for PFF so I don't know how they rate these players. Can you share their grading scheme?
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I don't have access to their paid content either, but you only have to read one article to see that it's flawed.

For the season, Bouye has been thrown at 32 times, allowing 17 of them to be caught (53.1 percent), and has yet to allow a touchdown. He hasn’t notched an interception yet this season, but job No. 1 of a cornerback is to prevent the catch, and anything above that is a bonus.
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This stat doesn't factor in penalties.

QBs targeting Bouye this season have a passer rating of 64.2, more than 20 points below average, and he has six pass breakups to his name.
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This stat doesn't factor in penalties.

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I'm not saying the grades don't have value, they do obviously, it's just not showing you the whole picture. These stats also don't factor in pressure. It's no surprise that the Denver corners are at the top of the list, Denver is one of the best teams at forcing the QB to throw quicker than they want, as we all know. Harris and Talib are good players, but pressure plays a large part in their success.

I'm also not saying that PFF is lazy. It'd be very difficult to factor in penalties to a number grade, given that you can't always determine what the penalty would have been preventing. It could be preventing a 5 yard catch, while allowing a first down, or preventing a 70 yard touchdown, while again allowing a first down. PFFs job is to build a system that gives a number grade such that they can create lists that make it easier to compare players and teams. This is more beneficial to people who can't watch all the snaps than it is to people who can, although it has value for both groups.

Watching Bouye, you see a ton of grabbing and a high rate of penalties, higher than almost all other corners. Sometimes, he wasn't even called for them, so you have to ask yourself if that high rate is even sustainable. It could be even higher in the future. He's not very good when defending players downfield. The Pats obviously saw this on tape and used it against him. They clearly targeted him. He actually got lucky that Floyd dropped a pass and it fel right into Bouye's hands after he was initially beaten on the play. His day could have been worse.
 
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TexansSeminole said:
This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. The AFC South is not the NFC South.
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Couple/three seasons ago the NFC South and AFC West were the weakest divisions in football. Go Back a few years further and the AFC South was the strongest
 
My WTF moment was when the marketing company of the Texans posted brocks fantasy fanduel points on their facebook. All i could do is laugh being how bad he has played.

Foe me its entertainment yet i want this team to compete with tbe big boys..i expected brock to atleast be a middle of the pack qb this season...but..oh well. Hopefully the offense wont be so dull next season and we can kick ass
 
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Couple/three seasons ago the NFC South and AFC West were the weakest divisions in football. Go Back a few years further and the AFC South was the strongest
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In 2014, the NFC South was weak. In 2015, the Panthers were in the Super Bowl. In 2013, they had two teams that had 23 wins combined.

In what year was the AFC South the strongest? How did their representatives fair in the playoffs that year?
 
I get the jist of what you are saying.. but don't the Patriots play in a pretty weak division every year? If you are in a weak division you should dominate it, which over the past couple of seasons the Texans have. Doesn't make them Super Bowl contenders (well actually it does as you HAVE to win the division or wild card to have a SB chance).... I get it we play in a weak division, but division strength tends to change over time or even during the year, Titans and Colts beat playoff teams this year.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
I get the jist of what you are saying.. but don't the Patriots play in a pretty weak division every year? If you are in a weak division you should dominate it, which over the past couple of seasons the Texans have. Doesn't make them Super Bowl contenders (well actually it does as you HAVE to win the division or wild card to have a SB chance).... I get it we play in a weak division, but division strength tends to change over time or even during the year, Titans and Colts beat playoff teams this year.
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If all the Patriots had done was win their weak division, their history wouldn't be all that impressive would it?

Our division has been weak by any measurement. This year, the Jags beat one team outside of the division, the 3-13 Bears. They beat Tennessee and Indy. They've been just about the worst team in the league for awhile. Tennessee was terrible for awhile as well. Indy has been up and down since losing Peyton.

The overall point was that the division has been weak and to win it doesn't really mean anything except that we get to go to the playoffs. It's not an indication that the team is good, only that they were able to beat and/or outpace two extremely poor teams and one either below or above average team. To cite our division championships proves only that. I'm not saying that the team is not good, what I'm saying is that winning the division is not really evidence that the team is good. This year has been slightly different. That is the only point I am making.

I anticipate the division will get alot stronger from here on out, as it was pretty decent this year when you factor out the Jags, so hopefully we can improve so as to not be surpassed by these teams.
 
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