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What's your plan for QB next season?

thunderkyss said:
This seems eerily familiar.

I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with Garopolo a week before the regular season for a conditional 6th round pick in the 2019 draft.
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Jimmy G was a better prospect coming out of college and his value now is so much higher than Mallet's value ever was.

We've got to be careful not to think "well, the Pats clearly don't want him."

Look, the Pats have Tom Brady. Look at what he did this year. He's arguably the best QB of all time and he's still going to super bowls and is the most efficient QB in the game. He's done it this year with receivers who aren't all that talented. The Pats aren't going to give up on Brady until he falls flat on his face and proves he can't be Brady anymore. They'd be stupid not to approach that situation that way.

My view on the Pats is that they continue to draft QBs such that when Brady proves he's lost it, they've got someone in the wings. Until he proves that he's lost it, they'll continue to draft guys and let the previous crop walk or they'll trade those guys.
 
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TexansSeminole said:
Jimmy G was a better prospect coming out of college and his value now is so much higher than Mallet's value ever was.

We've got to be careful not to think "well, the Pats clearly don't want him."

Look, the Pats have Tom Brady. Look at what he did this year. He's arguably the best QB of all time and he's still going to super bowls and is the most efficient QB in the game. He's done it this year with receivers who aren't all that talented. The Pats aren't going to give up on Brady until he falls flat on his face and proves he can't be Brady anymore. They'd be stupid not to approach that situation that way.

My view on the Pats is that they continue to draft QBs such that when Brady proves he's lost it, they've got someone in the wings. Until he proves that he's lost it, they'll continue to draft guys and let the previous crop walk or they'll trade those guys.
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I'd give the #25 in a heartbeat for him with no regrets. I think walterfootball might have this wrong, I'd think he'd easily be worth a first round choice. Especially for the needy QB teams. Hopefully their right and the boys on Kirby get their heads out of their collective arse's and make the move. I know he has only 1.5 games under his belt, but he showed more than OS did in his whole career.
 
zshawn10 said:
It's not Jimmy G apparently:



https://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017rumors.php
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I'd be ok with giving up a 2nd this year and maybe a conditional 4-5th rd pick in 2018 for jimmy g. Nothing more.

I also found myself wondering about this "source" inside the texans while i read the article - including the bit about wade.

Is this the same mole selling info to other teams about our draft intentions every ******* year? He needs to be smoked out before the draft - deliberately given bad info and terminated post draft.
 
I'd give our first round pick for Garappolo....

but only if Josh McDaniels comes with him to be the OC and call our plays
 
ObsiWan said:
I'd give our first round pick for Garappolo....

but only if Josh McDaniels comes with him to be the OC and call our plays
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I think he is worth it.
The Garoppolo option is more palatable than the Romo one - old Romo is definitely a known quantity and that is a decent QB.
Garoppolo still has some mystery about him but does have a couple of years in a very similar system and is still only just turned 25.
 
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Our panel of experts reveal who they have rated as the No. 1 QB on their board at the outset of 2017
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NFL Draft season.


Kizer atop my list
As of right now, I have DeShone Kizer as the top QB prospect in the draft. Although Notre Dame really struggled this year, I was pleasantly surprised after studying him on tape. He has ideal size, arm talent and mobility. He routinely works deep into progressions and he's an accurate passer. He did have some poor decision making at times, but his surrounding talent was less than ideal in 2016. He needs some time to develop, but he has a very high ceiling at the next level.

ND QB No. 1
DeShone Kizer is the top quarterback in this class. He has prototypical physical dimensions, "wow" arm talent and outstanding athleticism. While some will knock him for his inconsistent play during his final season at Notre Dame, he has shown flashes of being a big-time playmaker in several moments and scouts will dismiss some of his struggles due to the lack of talent around him on offense. Sure, you don't like the up-and-down level of his play, but it's hard to ignore his tools as a potential franchise quarterback.

Trubisky deserves top billing
I think Mitch Trubisky will be the first QB taken. In fact, I think he'll be Cleveland's choice with the No. 1 overall pick. Trubisky has a history in the Cleveland area -- he's from Mentor, Ohio, which is about a half hour away from Cleveland. He was the Ohio offensive player of year 4 years ago. He wasn't a starter until this past season, but he has good size, throws the best ball of the QBs in this draft and has pretty good accuracy.

UNC QB the clear choice
This is an easy call for me. When it comes to projectable physical and play traits, I have to go with Mitch Trubisky from North Carolina. Notre Dame's DeShone Kizer has size and arm strength, but the tape is just way too uneven to get behind. Clemson's Deshaun Watson has a legitimate claim based on how he plays in the biggest moments in the biggest games. However, his issues with deep-ball accuracy and decision-making are holding him back. Trubisky has size, a big arm and is simply better at reading the entire field than most of the quarterbacks I've studied. He's the guy to beat in my opinion.

Watson a proven winner
Deshaun Watson is my top-rated quarterback going into the draft process. North Carolina's Mitch Trubisky has traits that give him a shot at the top spot, but when looking at the career of Watson, I'm not sure what more he could have done to earn the lead. NFL teams will have concerns because Watson missed some pro-caliber throws and made a few decisions that resulted in turnovers. He also needs to consistently stay in a closing pocket to find a secondary target instead of looking to run (like many other young passers). But Watson possesses the mental toughness to command an offense down the stretch of a game, as well as the willingness and physical ability to throw deep, or into tight windows, when necessary (remember that incredible seam pass during the national championship game). There is no guarantee that any college quarterback's game will translate to the NFL, so questions about his accuracy and interception total are valid. But if I need to right my NFL franchise's ship, I'll take my chances with a battle-tested, physically gifted team leader like Watson.
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xtruroyaltyx said:
I'm down with garrapolo. He was my second choice along with Carr for me in their draft.

Also as pointed out it makes financial sense.

I'd give up our first for him easily. More than that and I'd have to hear the specific offers.
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I'm ok with Jimmy G as well, provided that all guaranteed money are on the first year.
 
Sigma said:
I'm ok with Jimmy G as well, provided that all guaranteed money are on the first year.
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Garappolo only has one more year on his rookie deal .... he's due $1,108,513 in 2017 - $820,077 in salary , $213,436 signing bonus and $75,000 in roster / workout bonus money.


Its said that the Pats want 1st & 4th round picks for him .... what Minny gave up for Bradford. I wouldn't have any problem giving the Pats those two picks , its a lot less than the cap space they threw away on Os in my opinion. You get to audition him for a year and then he becomes an FA , after which you would have to pay the piper should he perform , at the same time Os would only cost you $6m to cut saving you $12m in cap room .... which would be a big chunk of what it would cost to extend Garappolo , assuming he plays well.

Sure #'s 1&4 sound like a huge outlay for the position .... but consider that no player picked at either or both of those spots would make as big a difference in the end result as solving the QB conundrum and the fact that you've handcuffed yourself with the 72 million dollar mistake that was Os and the high cost to cut him this season ($25milion in cap space) , a trade for a cheap option is just about the only way you can improve the position and not be forced to cut corners elsewhere. Romo just doesn't make sense , he's old and oft injured and would cost you $14m in cap space .... with Os & Savage a total of $35,690,000 invested in the QB position , assuming Weeden is cut (no cap hit). That's 21.9% of the total expected cap.

Other than Garappolo , are there any other backups you'd consider ? Maybe AJ McCarron.



I cant see Dallas trading or cutting Romo anyhow , they'd save about $5.6m and have no viable backup QB .... and not much available to fill the void. Romo is worth more on the sidelines as an insurance policy than ~$5m in cap space.
 
Corrosion said:
Garappolo only has one more year on his rookie deal .... he's due $1,108,513 in 2017 - $820,077 in salary , $213,436 signing bonus and $75,000 in roster / workout bonus money.


Its said that the Pats want 1st & 4th round picks for him .... what Minny gave up for Bradford. I wouldn't have any problem giving the Pats those two picks , its a lot less than the cap space they threw away on Os in my opinion. You get to audition him for a year and then he becomes an FA , after which you would have to pay the piper should he perform , at the same time Os would only cost you $6m to cut saving you $12m in cap room .... which would be a big chunk of what it would cost to extend Garappolo , assuming he plays well.

Sure #'s 1&4 sound like a huge outlay for the position .... but consider that no player picked at either or both of those spots would make as big a difference in the end result as solving the QB conundrum and the fact that you've handcuffed yourself with the 72 million dollar mistake that was Os and the high cost to cut him this season ($25milion in cap space) , a trade for a cheap option is just about the only way you can improve the position and not be forced to cut corners elsewhere. Romo just doesn't make sense , he's old and oft injured and would cost you $14m in cap space .... with Os & Savage a total of $35,690,000 invested in the QB position , assuming Weeden is cut (no cap hit). That's 21.9% of the total expected cap.

Other than Garappolo , are there any other backups you'd consider ? Maybe AJ McCarron.



I cant see Dallas trading or cutting Romo anyhow , they'd save about $5.6m and have no viable backup QB .... and not much available to fill the void. Romo is worth more on the sidelines as an insurance policy than ~$5m in cap space.
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This is what I've been saying in the Jimmy G thread. Now is the perfect time to trade for him. You know the McNair's, do you really think that they're going to admit Os signing was a mistake after 1 yr? I dont, They're really putting BOB's balls in a vice by making him play Os next yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is what I've been saying in the Jimmy G thread. Now is the perfect time to trade for him. You know the McNair's, do you really think that they're going to admit Os signing was a mistake after 1 yr? I dont, They're really putting BOB's balls in a vice by making him play Os next yr.
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I think its clear for all of us to see that Os was a huge mistake , I hope they are willing to acknowledge that mistake and try to fix it .... I don't know that they are going to force OB to play Os or not .... But if we look at what went down the last few weeks of the season , with Os being benched and Savage taking over .... I don't think they are going to force OB to play Os , now they may not give him more options than he currently has .... Os , Savage or Weeden but that's not quite forcing but definitely ties his hands.

A first & fourth is a pretty steep price to pay but in my armchair GM thinking , its well worth the risk and no more than they risked in signing Os .... It probably allows you to keep Bouye and leaves you some money to solve the RT position.
 
Corrosion said:
I think its clear for all of us to see that Os was a huge mistake , I hope they are willing to acknowledge that mistake and try to fix it .... I don't know that they are going to force OB to play Os or not .... But if we look at what went down the last few weeks of the season , with Os being benched and Savage taking over .... I don't think they are going to force OB to play Os , now they may not give him more options than he currently has .... Os , Savage or Weeden but that's not quite forcing but definitely ties his hands.

A first & fourth is a pretty steep price to pay but in my armchair GM thinking , its well worth the risk and no more than they risked in signing Os .... It probably allows you to keep Bouye and leaves you some money to solve the RT position.
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I'd go with 2 2nd rounders. That's what was paid for Schaub and Smith will likely screw those picks up anyway. He does ok in the 1st and 4th, though.
 
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ObsiWan said:
Will O'Brien take the time to interview the guy this time?
BEFORE he's signed...
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He'll have to get permission from the Patriots to do so. & they may very well allow it since they're putting him on the block. Totally different situation from Osweiler, where Denver didn't want to let him go.
 
DocBar said:
I'd go with 2 2nd rounders. That's what was paid for Schaub and Smith will likely screw those picks up anyway. He does ok in the 1st and 4th, though.
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I'd be Ok with giving him a first and fourth if it came down to it .... I'd just start with 2 seconds and hope he took it. Either way , I'd probably be using the teams first pick on the best OT on the board (with some exceptions).

ObsiWan said:
Will O'Brien take the time to interview the guy this time?
BEFORE he's signed...
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The difference here is that he's already under contract .... You can wait and see and it costs you a hot $1.1m for the season .... Now if he plays well , resigning him in 2018 is gonna cost you a fortune but you can dump Brock at that point and free up a large chunk of that money ...
 
Corrosion said:
I'd be Ok with giving him a first and fourth if it came down to it .... I'd just start with 2 seconds and hope he took it. Either way , I'd probably be using the teams first pick on the best OT on the board (with some exceptions).




The difference here is that he's already under contract .... You can wait and see and it costs you a hot $1.1m for the season .... Now if he plays well , resigning him in 2018 is gonna cost you a fortune but you can dump Brock at that point and free up a large chunk of that money ...
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Is it possible to do something similar like in the Schaub's trade.
Schaub got $7M guaranteed.
The option bonus of $10M didn't come until the 4th year of the 6-yr contract.

It's most likely to be more this time, but I think the Texans can live with $12-14M guarantee over two years and a similar escalation later.
 
ObsiWan said:
Will O'Brien take the time to interview the guy this time?
BEFORE he's signed...
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It's not like O'brien didn't interview him out of laziness. The crazy ass NFL rules prevented him from doing that before the start of FA.
I guess what concerns me the most is that OB says he watched every single frame of film on him and did his due diligence by talking to former coaches and Os still played as poorly as he did. He actually got worse as the season went on. I wonder if he had a knee or lower leg injury from a low hit he took in week one or two. I know his confidence was shot after week three.
 
76Texan said:
Is it possible to do something similar like in the Schaub's trade.
Schaub got $7M guaranteed.
The option bonus of $10M didn't come until the 4th year of the 6-yr contract.

It's most likely to be more this time, but I think the Texans can live with $12-14M guarantee over two years and a similar escalation later.
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Sure they could extend him , assuming he's willing.


I like the idea of the $1.1m cap hit this season and paying the piper in 2018 assuming he plays well , You'll likely more than make up the difference in cutting Os and you don't handcuff yourself should he flop.
 
NFL.com has the Texans drafting Jarod Evans of VTech in the 3rd. Any thoughts on this? Not a QB I'm very high on.
 
I would do home work on qbs from the draft first. compare those college guys with him. idk if i want to give up those salary on guy who might not turn out. rather get o-line or safety. 1st rd. bulk up our o-line this yr with one more try with savage even.
 
Corrosion said:
Sure they could extend him , assuming he's willing.


I like the idea of the $1.1m cap hit this season and paying the piper in 2018 assuming he plays well , You'll likely more than make up the difference in cutting Os and you don't handcuff yourself should he flop.
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Of course, that would be the safe route.

I'm just thinking it's more enticing at the table with his agent.
Both sides have to be willing to make some sort of a deal.
Risk/reward in play.
Got to bang the table to see if something moves.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Nobody knows if the price for Garoppolo is a 1st & a 4th. That's nothing but wild ass speculation.

Could be more, could be less. Could just be more creative.
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There is nothing wild about it at all. He'll more than likely be the hottest name on the market for the off season if NE puts him out there, and when you're the hottest name at any position you'll likely get the highest possible value. Way to many teams always need a QB, and there isn't some super caliber rookie bunch this season. Teams typically pay what the last team did on a similar type of deal, and the 1st and the 4th is based on the Bradford trade which most people thought was crazy. Garrapolo will be a lot more highly coveted than Bradford, and teams give up multiple picks for QB's all the time if they think he's their guy. A 1st and a 4th will easily happen if NE decides to deal Garrapolo.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If the pats wanted Savage in return as part of a package I'd do that too. Savage isn't going to be as expensive to retain.
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If I'm the Pats I don't trade Jimmy to a strong AFC team. No way. There will be enough interest in him where they could trade him to quite a few teams fielding offers most likely, and it would even make more sense to take a little bit less if you can ship him off to some team in the dumps especially in the NFC. You give Jimmy to the Texans or Broncos and you very well could be playing him in the AFC Championship that very next season. I'd try hard to send him to the Browns, 49ers, Rams, or Chicago who all might very well have interest since they really need a QB.
 
Texecutioner said:
There is nothing wild about it at all. He'll more than likely be the hottest name on the market for the off season if NE puts him out there, and when you're the hottest name at any position you'll likely get the highest possible value. Way to many teams always need a QB, and there isn't some super caliber rookie bunch this season. Teams typically pay what the last team did on a similar type of deal, and the 1st and the 4th is based on the Bradford trade which most people thought was crazy. Garrapolo will be a lot more highly coveted than Bradford, and teams give up multiple picks for QB's all the time if they think he's their guy. A 1st and a 4th will easily happen if NE decides to deal Garrapolo.
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Of course it is. Nobody is speaking from inside the organization.

People only started throwing 1st and 4th out because Schefter said it and he only said it to have something to say. They could demand much more or less depending on circumstances. Fact is we don't know how badly they want to keep him and hedge bets against Brady, how much they trust Brady will stick around (and for how long), how desperate they feel other teams are, how desperate other teams actually are, and so on and so on. Bradford being last is just one part of a bigger equation.
 
76Texan said:
Peterman seems to be a pretty good prospect as well, but because of the nature of the offense he runs.
Under center with lots of play action passes similar to the one Yates played in college, his reads are often limited to one side or one third of the field.
He didn't see a whole lot of pressures either, so that makes it hard to truly evaluate him.
I will need to find more game films on him.
But he's a good prospect for a team like the Seahawks.

Kaaya isn't bad either.
I had watched many of his games, but haven't looked at them carefully, so I still reserve judgement on him.
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Mollywhopper said:
Of course it is. Nobody is speaking from inside the organization.

People only started throwing 1st and 4th out because Schefter said it and he only said it to have something to say. They could demand much more or less depending on circumstances. Fact is we don't know how badly they want to keep him and hedge bets against Brady, how much they trust Brady will stick around (and for how long), how desperate they feel other teams are, how desperate other teams actually are, and so on and so on. Bradford being last is just one part of a bigger equation.
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Shefter has plenty of close sources in that organization and he wasn't talking out of his ass.

Like I said, if they WANT TO DEAL Garrapalo, they'll get the 1st and the 4th unless they just want to put him on a team where he won't pop up and become a competitor against them for at least a few years and taking slightly less is a trade off for that. It would be very little as far as less though. They'll get that #1st round pick, no question. I didn't engage with you to debate whether or not "if" they'll trade him or if they won't. My argument towards you was that they'll easily be able to get a 1st and a 4th if they decide to deal him. If you want to oppose what I said, then oppose that. Explain to me why it is that you keep doubting whether or not if they can retrieve that type of value in a trade for him?
 
Texecutioner said:
Shefter has plenty of close sources in that organization and he wasn't talking out of his ass.

Like I said, if they WANT TO DEAL Garrapalo, they'll get the 1st and the 4th unless they just want to put him on a team where he won't pop up and become a competitor against them for at least a few years and taking slightly less is a trade off for that. It would be very little as far as less though. They'll get that #1st round pick, no question. I didn't engage with you to debate whether or not "if" they'll trade him or if they won't. My argument towards you was that they'll easily be able to get a 1st and a 4th if they decide to deal him. If you want to oppose what I said, then oppose that. Explain to me why it is that you keep doubting whether or not if they can retrieve that type of value in a trade for him?
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Does all this posturing mumbo jumbo do something for you?

I was completely clear with what I said. That was that Schefter was putting out nothing but pure speculation on his part, nothing sourced, on what the Pats might look for in return for Garoppolo. And that no one discussing a trade scenario, here or elsewhere, has yet any real idea of what they'd want.

Pretty simple.

And I didn't argue with you on whether they'll trade him or not, I was just furthering my point that there are so many moving parts in a supposed trade, and with nothing sourced as of yet, no one in fact really knows what his trade price tag is.

Furthering that I never said they could or couldn't get any particular value for him. I didn't argue that one way or another once. I said what they could demand could be one thing or another that we don't know yet, because like I've been saying all along ... no one knows anything yet.
 
The situation for the Pats as I see it is a little more balanced. I think it will somewhat hard for a team to give up a lot for him (more than a mid to late first + a mid round pick). If you think about the real bad teams SF, CHI, LAR, CLE, they are far away from competing. A decent QB is not gonna instantly make them contenders in any right so why should they give up a premium pick now when they will almost undoubtedly be bad next year and have another good pick to find a QB, they are better off building their talent level up and waiting for the chance they draft someone next year or make a run at him in FA. The most desperate teams are the one that think they are close and this would put them over the top i.e. the Vikings last year (and they lost their QB right before the season, super desperate, not to mention they probably imagined their pick would a mid to late). JG only has one year before you have to pay him versus a rookie who you have for four years. Tom Brady doesnt look like he is slowing down so you have to figure he will most likely be there in 2018. So a team that is rebuilding has the option to just wait until next year when the Pats will have to franchise him to keep him. Like it was said before the Broncos and the Texans compete with the Pats so are they really even possible partners? Qb's are in demand for sure, but it seems to me that the Pats have to trade him this year or he will be gone or very costly, that's leverage the other way. So who in the NFC thinks they are a QB away from being a contender?

TB CAR ATL NO CHI MIN GB DET DAL NYG PHI WSH SF LAR ARZ SEA, maybe ARZ if Palmer retires, CHI still pretty far away, would MIN make another move? after them its maybe the Giants?

So even though his value is high, there is definitely a clock on this, and teams might just choose to run it out to force the Pats hand.
 
Texecutioner said:
There is nothing wild about it at all. He'll more than likely be the hottest name on the market for the off season if NE puts him out there, and when you're the hottest name at any position you'll likely get the highest possible value. Way to many teams always need a QB, and there isn't some super caliber rookie bunch this season. Teams typically pay what the last team did on a similar type of deal, and the 1st and the 4th is based on the Bradford trade which most people thought was crazy. Garrapolo will be a lot more highly coveted than Bradford, and teams give up multiple picks for QB's all the time if they think he's their guy. A 1st and a 4th will easily happen if NE decides to deal Garrapolo.
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I don't see how they're equivalent situations at all.

(a) The Vikes were seriously desperate. They thought they had a playoff-ready team with Teddy B. then he goes down right before the start of the season. The draft was way behind them and most free agency moves had been already made. They wanted the best, most experienced replacement they could get and were willing to submit to highway robbery (them being the victims) to get him.
(b) Bradford had several seasons of starting experience under his belt. To date, Garoppolo has all of two starts. Add to that he got hurt didn't even finish the second one (*cough-Savage-cough*). Bradford's years of experience (mixed results, I know) makes Bradford worth more than Garoppolo.

We gave two 2's for Schaub because Kubiak knew he had his starter. I wouldn't give a 1 and a 4 for a guy who, at best, will be part of a QB competition.

I don't see the situations being the same at all.

 
ObsiWan said:
I don't see how they're equivalent situations at all.

(a) The Vikes were seriously desperate. They thought they had a playoff-ready team with Teddy B. then he goes down right before the start of the season. The draft was way behind them and most free agency moves had been already made. They wanted the best, most experienced replacement they could get and were willing to submit to highway robbery (them being the victims) to get him.
(b) Bradford had several seasons of starting experience under his belt. To date, Garoppolo has all of two starts. Add to that he got hurt didn't even finish the second one (*cough-Savage-cough*). Bradford's years of experience (mixed results, I know) makes Bradford worth more than Garoppolo.

We gave two 2's for Schaub because Kubiak knew he had his starter. I wouldn't give a 1 and a 4 for a guy who, at best, will be part of a QB competition.

I don't see the situations being the same at all.
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I think that's a fair assessment.

My view is that the Pats will likely pursue and get a first round pick for Jimmy G. Obviously, the higher the better. I wouldn't be surprised if they get an additional pick, but I don't think it will be a fourth or higher.

I also think Tex's argument that the Pats won't be as willing to trade Jimmy G to one of their competitors is logical. However, I don't think the Pats are afraid of any team. I wouldn't be surprised if they are only worried about improving their team and aren't worried about what other teams are doing, and that should always be a team's stance. If you can acquire an asset, a draft pick in this situation, that better helps your team than the player you are giving up, then I think you do it, regardless of how much it improves the other team.
 
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ObsiWan said:
I don't see how they're equivalent situations at all.

(a) The Vikes were seriously desperate. They thought they had a playoff-ready team with Teddy B. then he goes down right before the start of the season. The draft was way behind them and most free agency moves had been already made. They wanted the best, most experienced replacement they could get and were willing to submit to highway robbery (them being the victims) to get him.
(b) Bradford had several seasons of starting experience under his belt. To date, Garoppolo has all of two starts. Add to that he got hurt didn't even finish the second one (*cough-Savage-cough*). Bradford's years of experience (mixed results, I know) makes Bradford worth more than Garoppolo.

We gave two 2's for Schaub because Kubiak knew he had his starter. I wouldn't give a 1 and a 4 for a guy who, at best, will be part of a QB competition.

I don't see the situations being the same at all.
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The two 2's for Schaub is essentially the equivalent of a 1st rd pick. You had no problem giving up a 1 for Schaub because Kubiak knew Schaub was his QB.

You do have a problem giving up say a 2 and a 4 this yr and a 2 next yr for Jimmy G because you dont think BOB knows Jimmy G is his guy? BOB should get the same leeway as Kubiak got in getting the QB he wanted. But he wont get that because Bob/Ricky McNair have saddled this franchise with the colossal failure that is Os.
 
jradMIT said:
The way I look at it, the best course of action, is

1. Get Romo, cut Weeden, June 1st cut Os, retain Savage as the backup, and draft a QB in the first three rounds. Tough to say it as a cowboys antifan, but Romo is criminally underrated. His issue is health, but when he has played, he has played extremely well, any of his seasons between 2011-2014 season would be better than any season any QB has had in our franchise history. Health is the issue, play is not. Yes it is a roll of the dice, but you can hit big. If you assume there would be only a 25% chance he's healthy for he playoffs, that would still be our best chance to get the title. There's reason he has the 4th highest QB rating in nfl history, and if you look at his play the back half of his career has better numbers than the first. If he plays he definitely has something left. Also if you acquire him, Savage will get his shot in a few games undoubtedly when Romo misses time so it wont be as if you have completely given up on him. Throw in a rookie draft pick early in the draft to groom and possibly challenge for playing time later because of injuries or whatever.

or

2. Get Cutler, cut Weeden, cut Os after June 1st, retain Savage and draft a QB, same as before, however Cutler is not nearly the QB Romo is, but with this Defense the team can still win and go far. If you stay conservative, the Brock game plan so to speak, Cutler can win games, also you know what you are getting with him. You can limit his mistakes, but he has much better physical tools than Os and even his bad seasons were markedly better than what Os put up last year. So with Cutler, you lean on the D to win games, with a run heavy offense that takes shots.


Bottomline you have no chance to win with Os, he is just too limited. You can improve the line for sure and add more weapons, but it will be easier to go another direction. This team can win now with average Qb play.
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Pretty much. If Cutler is on the roster making 15m and Os is on the roster too, so what! Cutler is such a huge upgrade to the qb and they could cut Oz after the season and they can still draft a qb in the 2nd or 3rd rd. Isn't that what New England did? As stated earlier, even if it cost bouye,jackson, jjo, simon, cushing,and them dudes, its worth it?
 
Hahahahha Jimmy G will not suit up as a Texan next season. Wow do we have to over do it around here every season. Come on peoples. They will trout Brock back out there next season. This time since Bill O'Brien has more film on him, he will work out all the wrinkle and kinks to that armor. This was basically a trail and error season.

Watch good peeps we will see improvement.
 
steelbtexan said:
The two 2's for Schaub is essentially the equivalent of a 1st rd pick. You had no problem giving up a 1 for Schaub because Kubiak knew Schaub was his QB.

You do have a problem giving up say a 2 and a 4 this yr and a 2 next yr for Jimmy G because you dont think BOB knows Jimmy G is his guy? BOB should get the same leeway as Kubiak got in getting the QB he wanted. But he wont get that because Bob/Ricky McNair have saddled this franchise with the colossal failure that is Os.
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No OB should not get the same leeway. He has no track record of success with QBs at this point.

And by my recollection most people thought we paid too much for Schaub at the time

I'd like to see them make a run. Just think Kubiak did it is a poor argument.
 
leebigeztx said:
Pretty much. If Cutler is on the roster making 15m and Os is on the roster too, so what! Cutler is such a huge upgrade to the qb and they could cut Oz after the season and they can still draft a qb in the 2nd or 3rd rd. Isn't that what New England did? As stated earlier, even if it cost bouye,jackson, jjo, simon, cushing,and them dudes, its worth it?
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We don't have to cut any of those guys. Cutler's salary is 12M which can be attained from cutting Newton, Clark, Bergstrom and Weeden.
 
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