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What's your plan for QB next season?

If my memory serves me correct, Kareem Jackson was taken in first end of first then New England took Devin McCourtey. Both started playing CB but since then Devin has been moved to free safety.

Then as now, I still feel McCourtey the better ballhawk. Kareem would be much better served as a strong safety, tackling & run support his strength.
 
Texaspat said:
Doesn't osweiller cap strap the team for 1 more year then he can be released?

Next year I think I would put all my time into making savage the qb. Also bring in a mid priced FA qb. There should be a few available.

I use my draft to sure up the oline and get another receiver. Fuller as the 2 wr is not good enough. He at this point should be the 3-4 wr. Then draft a dual purpose rb in the mold of freeman or Lewis.

As good as the Texans D played last night, you still need a half functioning offense. If we can move up the production scale from 31st to like 15th, that might get it done.
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Some variation of this is quite likely.

However, we already have a lower priced veteran on the roster. This third string QB is not going to be active and his role will be scout team QB during practice. Is there any value to be gained replacing Weeden in this role.

If Oz remains on the roster, at worst it will be as second string. He is an injury away from starting. Do we want Oz running our offense next season?

Still, I'm not projecting the team to let Oz go. Weeden is ideal as the scout team role. So the question is, will the team release Savage and replace him with another prospect?
 
Thorsson said:
Weeden all the way! You asked.
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I hope your time here as a Texan fan is miserable.

You are the exact type of Houston fan that deserves every bit of misery they get.

All of the deadbeat fans that kept foaming at the mouth begging for Keenum, Yates, Savage, and now Weeden for some reason deserve to be in football purgatory forever. You guys should be locked away in a football dungeon being forced to watch the Oilers/Bills game where they lost a 32 point lead over and over like 20 times a day. It would be so nice if we could just bundle of the group of Houston fans that are always swearing up and down that some garbage backup is the man, I swear its like someone poisoned the water in Houston and made fans prostitute themselves to horrible QB's that they're dying to see.
 
Thorsson said:
Weeden all the way! You asked.
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I hope your time here as a Texan fan is miserable.

You are the exact type of Houston fan that deserves every bit of misery they get.

All of the deadbeat fans that kept foaming at the mouth begging for Keenum, Yates, Savage, and now Weeden for some reason deserve to be in football purgatory forever. You guys should be locked away in a football dungeon being forced to watch the Oilers/Bills game where they lost a 32 point lead over and over like 20 times a day. It would be so nice if we could just bundle of the group of Houston fans that are always swearing up and down that some garbage backup is the man, I swear its like someone poisoned the water in Houston and made fans prostitute themselves to horrible QB's that they're dying to see.
 
Texecutioner said:
I hope your time here as a Texan fan is miserable.

You are the exact type of Houston fan that deserves every bit of misery they get.

All of the deadbeat fans that kept foaming at the mouth begging for Keenum, Yates, Savage, and now Weeden for some reason deserve to be in football purgatory forever. You guys should be locked away in a football dungeon being forced to watch the Oilers/Bills game where they lost a 32 point lead over and over like 20 times a day. It would be so nice if we could just bundle of the group of Houston fans that are always swearing up and down that some garbage backup is the man, I swear its like someone poisoned the water in Houston and made fans prostitute themselves to horrible QB's that they're dying to see.
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Yea I feel the same way for the people that were screaming for Bortles.
 
I think I'm gonna start bombarding BOB with pro-Weeden emails, letter & videos. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. I wish I knew what bar BOB drank at; I'd pull up the stool right next to him.

With Osweiler, the only team the Texans can beat in the post season is the Raiders without Derek Carr.
 
TexansBull said:
Misery loves company. You can sit watching the Texans pretending to have all the answers that ailes them and the rest of us will just sit and be entertained by you and Bortles.
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You aren't entertained though. You're miserable, and so mad that they still don't have a QB that you start believing that career backups are the answer. Lol! That is your sports life as a fan. I've come to the conclusion long ago that this organization will likely never make the right moves to find a QB intentionally. Your faith gets shredded every year. That has to suck.
 
Thorsson said:
I think I'm gonna start bombarding BOB with pro-Weeden emails, letter & videos. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. I wish I knew what bar BOB drank at; I'd pull up the stool right next to him.

With Osweiler, the only team the Texans can beat in the post season is the Raiders without Derek Carr.
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It certainly looked like they were capable of beating a lot of teams in the postseason last nightS
 
TheRealJoker said:
It certainly looked like they were capable of beating a lot of teams in the postseason last nightS
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Yeah, I thought they played a damn good game. They made the Patriots play really bad most of the game actually.

The only difference to me was Oz and Brady. Swap them around and the Texans win.

But Texans fans are to jaded to see any of that. Hell, you're trying to preach this to some clown that thinks Weeden is their savior. :spit:
 
Texecutioner said:
You aren't entertained though. You're miserable, and so mad that they still don't have a QB that you start believing that career backups are the answer. Lol! That is your sports life as a fan. I've come to the conclusion long ago that this organization will likely never make the right moves to find a QB intentionally. Your faith gets shredded every year. That has to suck.
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You are very entertaining. Posters like you is what keeps me going in these forums. You pretend to know everything about everyone but are just miserable because you are proven wrong time and time again. Your solutions are just as much a crap shoot and go down in flames as this front office. It keeps you sour and that is way evident in all your posts. But hey, I am OK with that as it gives me a good laugh.

As far as the Texans go, always a fan and waiting for next year.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah, I thought they played a damn good game. They made the Patriots play really bad most of the game actually.

The only difference to me was Oz and Brady. Swap them around and the Texans win.

But Texans fans are to jaded to see any of that. Hell, you're trying to preach this to some clown that thinks Weeden is their savior. :spit:
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Swap Os out with Andy Dalton and we run away with the win!
 
TheRealJoker said:
It certainly looked like they were capable of beating a lot of teams in the postseason last nightS
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I don't think so. Brady had an off night, Lewis fumbled deep in his own end, Gronk was out, Blount was battling an illness, and Hogan left the game early. The Patriots were vulnerable last night, and the Texans still couldn't make a game out of it, even with the best defense in the NFL. That, my fellow posters, means the problem is the QB, Brock Osweiler!
 
TheRealJoker said:
Swap Os out with Andy Dalton and we run away with the win!
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I don't know about Dalton, but maybe Dalton from last season.

Overall they played a hard fought game. The Pats were about to blow them out of the water, and they came back and almost tied it and turned it around completely. If Fuller doesn't drop that TD pass, you never know what that game turns into. I think they still lose, but it possibly would have become a nail biter.
 
Thorsson said:
I don't think so. Brady had an off night, Lewis fumbled deep in his own end, Gronk was out, Blount was hurt, and Hogan left the game early. The Patriots were vulnerable last night, and the Texans still couldn't make a game out of it, even with the best defense in the NFL. That, my fellow posters, means the problem is the QB, Brock Osweiler!
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You don't have a clue about the Patriots obviously.

Grong had been out for like the last 6 weeks and their offense got better actually. Blount was not hurt, so I don't know where you're getting that from. There was no vulnerability what so ever. This is actually one of the most healthy post season teams the Pats have had in the last 6 years. The Texans went in there and hit them in the mouth all game long and made things difficult for the Pats. They made it an ugly game which is what everyone tries to do against the Pats.

Oz was the problem? You don't say. I don't think anyone noticed that.
 
My first mock of the season and I got it all figured out:

25: R1P25 QB PATRICK MAHOMES II
TEXAS TECH
57: R2P25 EDGE T.J. WATT
WISCONSIN
89: R3P25 QB DAVIS WEBB
CALIFORNIA
129: R4P24 QB NATHAN PETERMAN
PITTSBURGH
170: R5P25 QB C.J. BEATHARD
IOWA
189: R6P4 QB COOPER RUSH
CENTRAL MICHIGAN
246: R7P25 QB JOSHUA DOBBS
TENNESSEE
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Texecutioner said:
You don't have a clue about the Patriots obviously.

Grong had been out for like the last 6 weeks and their offense got better actually. Blount was not hurt, so I don't know where you're getting that from. There was no vulnerability what so ever. This is actually one of the most healthy post season teams the Pats have had in the last 6 years. The Texans went in there and hit them in the mouth all game long and made things difficult for the Pats. They made it an ugly game which is what everyone tries to do against the Pats.

Oz was the problem? You don't say. I don't think anyone noticed that.
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The Texans were in the game for the first half, that's for sure. But Osweiler's three second half interceptions sealed the deal.

And what in the world was Osweiler doing on that 3rd and 1 call? He throws the ball for a minus-1 yard loss! Couldn't he even throw a 2-yard pass?
 
TexansBull said:
You are very entertaining. Posters like you is what keeps me going in these forums. You pretend to know everything about everyone but are just miserable because you are proven wrong time and time again. Your solutions are just as much a crap shoot and go down in flames as this front office. It keeps you sour and that is way evident in all your posts. But hey, I am OK with that as it gives me a good laugh.

As far as the Texans go, always a fan and waiting for next year.
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Actually no, I think the Texans have a pretty good team. Their GM sucks. I know that. I realize that. I don't have a huge emotional connection to the Texans as long as he is there, and I'm okay with that.

But no, most of my predictions of the Texans since day one have been pretty spot on. They've never been to difficult of a team to predict. I said they'd go 10-6 or 11-5 this year. They went 9-7 and really would have been 10-6 had the Raiders game not been fixed by the officials. I was spot on, and I was proud of how they played as a team yesterday. Their defense was stout and came to play. I just never gave them a chance. The Patriots are the class of the NFL, and you aint beating Brady with Oz or any of the bums the Texans have at QB that you're always clamoring for only to have your heart broken again.

Tell me though. Whose the next savior? We going back to Yates? Or do you want Keenum in the off season? :lion:
 
TexansBull said:
You are very entertaining. Posters like you is what keeps me going in these forums. You pretend to know everything about everyone but are just miserable because you are proven wrong time and time again. Your solutions are just as much a crap shoot and go down in flames as this front office. It keeps you sour and that is way evident in all your posts. But hey, I am OK with that as it gives me a good laugh.

As far as the Texans go, always a fan and waiting for next year.
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Actually no, I think the Texans have a pretty good team. Their GM sucks. I know that. I realize that. I don't have a huge emotional connection to the Texans as long as he is there, and I'm okay with that.

But no, most of my predictions of the Texans since day one have been pretty spot on. They've never been to difficult of a team to predict. I said they'd go 10-6 or 11-5 this year. They went 9-7 and really would have been 10-6 had the Raiders game not been fixed by the officials. I was spot on, and I was proud of how they played as a team yesterday. Their defense was stout and came to play. I just never gave them a chance. The Patriots are the class of the NFL, and you aint beating Brady with Oz or any of the bums the Texans have at QB that you're always clamoring for only to have your heart broken again.

Tell me though. Whose the next savior? We going back to Yates? Or do you want Keenum in the off season? :lion:
 
Brock started off fine but seemingly slipped out of his own comfort zone. His comeback attempt muted much later in the game with another Fuller drop which would have actually tightened the game with Texans having chance. Then Texans offensive play calling went off script, stopped pounding rock & Patriots went to prevent just begging Brock turnovers.
 
Idk right now don't care either draft a rookie and roll the dice in the crap shoot

OR just stick with Brock and savage

That's really our only options
 
Texecutioner said:
Actually no, I think the Texans have a pretty good team. Their GM sucks. I know that. I realize that. I don't have a huge emotional connection to the Texans as long as he is there, and I'm okay with that.

But no, most of my predictions of the Texans since day one have been pretty spot on. They've never been to difficult of a team to predict. I said they'd go 10-6 or 11-5 this year. They went 9-7 and really would have been 10-6 had the Raiders game not been fixed by the officials. I was spot on, and I was proud of how they played as a team yesterday. Their defense was stout and came to play. I just never gave them a chance. The Patriots are the class of the NFL, and you aint beating Brady with Oz or any of the bums the Texans have at QB that you're always clamoring for only to have your heart broken again.

Tell me though. Whose the next savior? We going back to Yates? Or do you want Keenum in the off season? :lion:
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Once again you are wrong.

I was down on Os after giving him a fair chance. I dont think a savior exists because the only way we get to be competitive with the remaining teams in the playoffs is getting Rivers or Brees, but OB still has to get another OC. Those two things happen then maybe. But it's very unlikely to happen.

So you go ahead knowing it all and we will continue to laugh.
 
TexansBull said:
Once again you are wrong.

I was down on Os after giving him a fair chance. I dont think a savior exists because the only way we get to be competitive with the remaining teams in the playoffs is getting Rivers or Brees, but OB still has to get another OC. Those two things happen then maybe. But it's very unlikely to happen.

So you go ahead knowing it all and we will continue to laugh.
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Its pretty obvious that I do a great job at unintentionally getting under your skin.

You keep calling me wrong and can't even say what I'm so wrong about. Lol! The Texans had a competitive team this season and there are quite a few teams around the league that want our coach based on the job he has done here. Its our owner and GM that have the horrible reputations and why people never give the Texans a shot hardly. Well that and our horrible choices at QB every year, but hey as long as we have fans like you who have so much faith in our backups no matter who they are, I'm sure we'll be alright. Maybe Weeden will win the MVP next season and take them to a SB. :spin:
 
Texecutioner said:
would be so nice if we could just bundle of the group of Houston fans that are always swearing up and down that some garbage backup is the man
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I generally find more to agree with you than disagree, but not on this point. Houston fans aren't yearning for a garbage backup and not all backups are garbage. But when they can clearly see the "starter" is garbage, they would want to believe that the Texans front office has been smart enough to have good replacements ready to go. That is not begging for garbage, that is begging for a competent front office and talent evaluation. To further my point, Rodgers was once that backup, as was Kurt Warner, as was Steve Young and a host of others that are now HOF'ers. I'm not saying our backups are HOF'ers, but they should be competent or they should have never made the final roster. That is why the Houston fans want the hot garbage replaced and why they expect that replacement to be competent.

Of course, this gets back to Rick Smith's talent evaluation and BOB & Godsey's ability to develop a QB.
 
Romo in free agency? Huge trade for Rivers?

Mahomes in the 1st?

I'm game for just about anything right now.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Romo in free agency? Huge trade for Rivers?

Mahomes in the 1st?

I'm game for just about anything right now.
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We couldn't pay Romo and Oz.

Any new QB we get would have to have a low salary next season because of Oz's contract. That's why Jimmy G makes so much sense.

If I'm BB and I'm trading Jimmy, I damn sure am not trading him to the Texans though.

This dumbass organization should have done that last off season like I said they should have when no one else was trying to get Jimmy and the Pats needed a #1 draft pick.
 
Texecutioner said:
We couldn't pay Romo and Oz.

Any new QB we get would have to have a low salary next season because of Oz's contract. That's why Jimmy G makes so much sense.

If I'm BB and I'm trading Jimmy, I damn sure am not trading him to the Texans though.

This dumbass organization should have done that last off season like I said they should have when no one else was trying to get Jimmy and the Pats needed a #1 draft pick.
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I keep hearing about all this hype for Garropolo, but if he's really that good (I don't think he is) then why would the pats part with him in the twilight of Bradys career?

I could see a scenario where the Pats win it all again this year and Brady retires. Then Garropolo would slide right in.

Also, why would the Pats be in a rush to help us attain the one thing that could challenge them for supremacy of the conference?
 
Texecutioner said:
Its pretty obvious that I do a great job at unintentionally getting under your skin.

You keep calling me wrong and can't even say what I'm so wrong about. Lol! The Texans had a competitive team this season and there are quite a few teams around the league that want our coach based on the job he has done here. Its our owner and GM that have the horrible reputations and why people never give the Texans a shot hardly. Well that and our horrible choices at QB every year, but hey as long as we have fans like you who have so much faith in our backups no matter who they are, I'm sure we'll be alright. Maybe Weeden will win the MVP next season and take them to a SB. :spin:
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It's ok. Reading comprehension is hard for some. Sooner or later you will figure it out. You keep speaking out of your butt knowing it all.

You call this a competitive team? With who? This HC has been abysmal at play calling and you think it's competitive?

Who wants OB? The niners? The rams? The bills? What a joke if that is what you think makes this HC valuable.

Just stop already. You are beyond embarrassing yourself.
 
Flyingfish said:
I generally find more to agree with you than disagree, but not on this point. Houston fans aren't yearning for a garbage backup and not all backups are garbage. But when they can clearly see the "starter" is garbage, they would want to believe that the Texans front office has been smart enough to have good replacements ready to go. That is not begging for garbage, that is begging for a competent front office and talent evaluation. To further my point, Rodgers was once that backup, as was Kurt Warner, as was Steve Young and a host of others that are now HOF'ers. I'm not saying our backups are HOF'ers, but they should be competent or they should have never made the final roster. That is why the Houston fans want the hot garbage replaced and why they expect that replacement to be competent.

Of course, this gets back to Rick Smith's talent evaluation and BOB & Godsey's ability to develop a QB.
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Good post. Be careful feeding grumpy old men though. It seems the blue pill wasn't working last night and he us extra grumpy today.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I keep hearing about all this hype for Garropolo, but if he's really that good (I don't think he is) then why would the pats part with him in the twilight of Bradys career?

I could see a scenario where the Pats win it all again this year and Brady retires. Then Garropolo would slide right in.

Also, why would the Pats be in a rush to help us attain the one thing that could challenge them for supremacy of the conference?
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The Pats may not trade him. We don't know just yet.

If so, it will be because Bill believes that Tom really could play for 3 years more minimum. That, or the fact that its Tom Brady and they don't want to let him go. Doubt that would be the case as Bill's has a cold heart, but you never know.

I can't tell you for sure if Jimmy is the guy myself, but what I can tell you is that he impresses me more than any other prospect I've seen out of the draft from the last few years. I don't see why a team would rather roll the dice on a top 1st round draft pick over him when he has gone in quite a few times and played really well. He already has the NFL experience and you don't have to worry about dealing with the rookie growing pains.
 
Flyingfish said:
I generally find more to agree with you than disagree, but not on this point. Houston fans aren't yearning for a garbage backup and not all backups are garbage. But when they can clearly see the "starter" is garbage, they would want to believe that the Texans front office has been smart enough to have good replacements ready to go. That is not begging for garbage, that is begging for a competent front office and talent evaluation. To further my point, Rodgers was once that backup, as was Kurt Warner, as was Steve Young and a host of others that are now HOF'ers. I'm not saying our backups are HOF'ers, but they should be competent or they should have never made the final roster. That is why the Houston fans want the hot garbage replaced and why they expect that replacement to be competent.

Of course, this gets back to Rick Smith's talent evaluation and BOB & Godsey's ability to develop a QB.
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The problem here is this city's horrible history of QB's has so many of these guys shook. They hardly even know what a good QB looks like anymore. They're so desperate to have one that anything even remotely glaring of some potential makes them so much more valuable to them, and they hang on to that hope like some sort of good luck charm that their great grandmother gave them before she died. Its pretty bad in this city. You should have seen the endless debates in here over Case freaking Keenum. Yes, that guy. There are still clowns on this site that believe that he is this hidden jewel of the nile that these stupid NFL coaches just haven't figured out. You had guys in here thinking that Sage Rosenfels could become a poor man's Brett Favre for a while until the Rosencoptor incident finally killed that. Matt Schaub played alright for a few years and became a decent place holder, but he never really inspired confidence that he would put a team on his back in the playoffs. A lot of people believed it though and would argue night and day for it. Tom Savage is just another guy that looked good in pre season, and had flashes in college in between his injuries. But the story of his athletic career has been his injuries instead of his great play. Now you have a bunch of whiners in here throwing tantrums because Weeden isn't our guy to build around for the future.

I get it that we need improvement at the QB position. That is more than obvious. But clamoring on to every piece of trash back up that exists as if they're the great white hope is exactly why they still don't have a QB in the first place. Their strategy in finding one is terrible, and latching onto bunch of backups that can't even beat out the guys you already hate has no logic at all. Houston fans have a disease when it comes to QB's it seems like.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't see why a team would rather roll the dice on a top 1st round draft pick over him when he has gone in quite a few times and played really well. He already has the NFL experience and you don't have to worry about dealing with the rookie growing pains.
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Said the Texans last year about oz.

Dont get me wrong, i wanted jimmy g in the draft and would rather have him then oz - but - i dont think it's a forgone conclusion he's the saviour. He's what, a year away from his second contract? And getting him would require a first rd pick plus (a 4th as reported.) I guess i just have less faith in him then you. I'd rather keep taking shots at cheap moldable 2nd or 3rd round qbs yearly until we get it right.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I keep hearing about all this hype for Garropolo, but if he's really that good (I don't think he is) then why would the pats part with him in the twilight of Bradys career?

I could see a scenario where the Pats win it all again this year and Brady retires. Then Garropolo would slide right in.

Also, why would the Pats be in a rush to help us attain the one thing that could challenge them for supremacy of the conference?
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He is on the last year of his rookie deal in 2017. They are not going to pay a back up QB the money it would take to keep him

I dont know everyone keeps overlooking this
 
powda said:
Said the Texans last year about oz.

Dont get me wrong, i wanted jimmy g in the draft and would rather have him then oz - but - i dont think it's a forgone conclusion he's the saviour. He's what, a year away from his second contract? And getting him would require a first rd pick plus (a 4th as reported.) I guess i just have less faith in him then you. I'd rather keep taking shots at cheap moldable 2nd or 3rd round qbs yearly until we get it right.
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So you don't want a QB then. Rolling the dice on those late picks is why we don't have one.

The logic still applies as far as what I said. Nothing about Osweiller changes any of that. Osweiller was just the wrong guy to do it with. His failures have nothing to do with what anyone else can or can't do here. There is no foregone conclusion that anyone is the savior. Andrew Luck hasn't even been for the Colts. You pick the the guys that have the best odds based on what they've shown, and Jimmy by far has that over any current draft pick in the 3rd pr 4th rounds. Might as well just go with my suggestion and try to win with all defense and running the ball. That is basically going with that plan.
 
DX-TEX said:
He is on the last year of his rookie deal in 2017. They are not going to pay a back up QB the money it would take to keep him

I dont know everyone keeps overlooking this
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Correct, which is why I keep telling people that Brady could also be available in 2018. If the Pats don't trade him this off season, they're keeping him and he is their future. They won't be able to pay Brady and him both. They'll let Brady walk. To be perfectly honest, I don't think that would be a bad plan for the Patriots either.
 
DX-TEX said:
He is on the last year of his rookie deal in 2017. They are not going to pay a back up QB the money it would take to keep him

I dont know everyone keeps overlooking this
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Correct, which is why I keep telling people that Brady could also be available in 2018. If the Pats don't trade him this off season, they're keeping him and he is their future. They won't be able to pay Brady and him both. They'll let Brady walk. To be perfectly honest, I don't think that would be a bad plan for the Patriots either.
 
Texecutioner said:
So you don't want a QB then. Rolling the dice on those late picks is why we don't have one.
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Not what i said. A second or 3rd round pick is hardly late. Your boy jimmy g was after all a second round pick was he not?
 
Texecutioner said:
Correct, which is why I keep telling people that Brady could also be available in 2018.
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Minus a manningesque neck injury i dont think this is likely and find it a bit of a shocker considering his performance this year. This illustrates your opinion of jimmy g is over the top. I'll pass.
 
Once more, I'm still good with the three on the roster right now, just not good with the order they are in.
I just rewatched the game and honestly believe that if OB had put Savage in, the score would've been a lot close. Savage throws a much more catcheable ball and is much more accurate. Fido and Fuller dropping TD passes hurt for sure, but plays were there to be made.
The biggest change that I see needing to be made is OL upgrades (especially on the right side), true QB competition and improvement in the red zone.
Think about two TD passes dropped and 2 red zone field goals. That's 28 points that turned into 6.

I see a team that needs to be tweaked, along with the playbook in the red zone.
 
powda said:
Not what i said. A second or 3rd round pick is hardly late. Your boy jimmy g was after all a second round pick was he not?
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He was a 2nd. We've already seen Jimmy though. We've seen him play well. What he was then doesn't mean anything to what these other guys are now. How many random 2nd rounders become franchise QB's? Not that many. Most of the guys with the most potential that is easily seen or noticed are gone in the first 15 picks or so. Your odds are a lot higher. Jimmy has had a few years playing behind the greatest guy, and has gotten a few games under his belt and played as well as anyone in the league this year in those first few games. You're wanting to ignore something that has already proven some things versus a bunch of guys with potential but lower odds. Its about odds to me. What are your highest odds to find the guy you're looking for? Jimmy has the best odds to be our to me. Plus, he knows this system already which makes it even that much more workable.
 
Texecutioner said:
So you don't want a QB then. Rolling the dice on those late picks is why we don't have one.

The logic still applies as far as what I said. Nothing about Osweiller changes any of that. Osweiller was just the wrong guy to do it with. His failures have nothing to do with what anyone else can or can't do here. There is no foregone conclusion that anyone is the savior. Andrew Luck hasn't even been for the Colts. You pick the the guys that have the best odds based on what they've shown, and Jimmy by far has that over any current draft pick in the 3rd pr 4th rounds. Might as well just go with my suggestion and try to win with all defense and running the ball. That is basically going with that plan.
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The opposing argument is to have a plan that is more than short term.

The problem with JG is the price of a first round pick, plus more, for only a one year contract. Then in 2018 you're going to have to move right back into an outrageous contract for an unproven prospect, right after getting out from under Oz's contract

It just seems more financially advantageous to wait until 2018 and draft a QB in the first round, in a draft which is said to be deeper at the position than the 2017 draft.

In 2017, if we get to the bottom of the first round in a weak QB year, but there is a prospect still on the board that we really like, I could see us going in that direction. But a trade for JG? No.
 
Texecutioner said:
He was a 2nd. We've already seen Jimmy though. We've seen him play well. What he was then doesn't mean anything to what these other guys are now. How many random 2nd rounders become franchise QB's? Not that many. Most of the guys with the most potential that is easily seen or noticed are gone in the first 15 picks or so. Your odds are a lot higher. Jimmy has had a few years playing behind the greatest guy, and has gotten a few games under his belt and played as well as anyone in the league this year in those first few games. You're wanting to ignore something that has already proven some things versus a bunch of guys with potential but lower odds. Its about odds to me. What are your highest odds to find the guy you're looking for? Jimmy has the best odds to be our to me. Plus, he knows this system already which makes it even that much more workable.
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So what are you willing to give up for him? What do you think is a reasonable market value and what is to much to aquire him?
 
powda said:
So what are you willing to give up for him? What do you think is a reasonable market value and what is to much to aquire him?
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1st and a 4th would be fine. You have to give you want to get a guy. I wanted them to do this last off season.
 
Texecutioner said:
1st and a 4th would be fine. You have to give you want to get a guy. I wanted them to do this last off season.
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Purely subjective here but that's more then id spend. Just to much. Clearly, my opinion of him is less then yours. Pass.
 
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