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People said the same thing about Gary Kubiak during our 2-14 season back in 2013. But his system worked just fine last season as head coach for the Super Bowl champion Denver Broncos. Seems to me that our main problem as a franchise is at the top: Owner Bob McNair and general manager Rick Smith. Until that is fixed it doesn't matter whom our head coach is.
Since Bill has been onboard, the biggest mistake came in the '14 draft when they bypassed Carr and Garropolo - I guess Bill has to eat that one as he was being too cute in "saving" the second pick to bolster the line and protect Fitz. It has snowballed from there - culminating in this current dilemma with Os.
Other than that, you can make excuses for them.
 
People said the same thing about Gary Kubiak during our 2-14 season back in 2013. But his system worked just fine last season as head coach for the Super Bowl champion Denver Broncos. Seems to me that our main problem as a franchise is at the top: Owner Bob McNair and general manager Rick Smith. Until that is fixed it doesn't matter whom our head coach is.

If you don't have the Horses, you can't win the race, no matter how good the jockeys are. Rick Smith is in charge of players, fire Rick Smith.
 
Since Bill has been onboard, the biggest mistake came in the '14 draft when they bypassed Carr and Garropolo - I guess Bill has to eat that one as he was being too cute in "saving" the second pick to bolster the line and protect Fitz. It has snowballed from there - culminating in this current dilemma with Os.
Other than that, you can make excuses for them.

I don't blame him for not drafting Carr; at that early point it was too risky for him. Now NOT drafting Garopollo was the most moronic decision ever. I thought for sure we would get Jimmy and was excited about his potential. A total failure on that one.

OB and Smith both need to gtfo of Houston and Mcnair can go with them and sell the team to someone who knows what the hell they are doing
 
Who hasn't yet gotten it through their thick skulls yet? We were NEVER going to draft Carr and Carr would NEVER sign with us. STOP. Sure, he's playing well and in hindsight was available at our selection. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Argue about Bortles and Bridgewater's gloves and Garropolo(sp?).

Carr? Zero chance of being a Texan.
 
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or maybe fixing Carr was a nonnegotiable condition of employment that had to be agreed to in order to get the job. (which it was)

I 'll go back to Texans Draft War Room picture and the man front in center down on the front row. The truth be known Bob McNair could be worse than Jerry Jones in his early years. Brian T Smith is probably right and O'Brien did draft Savage with a comp pick in RD 4 in 14'. Then O'Brien traded away 4th and 5th RD picks for Louis Nix, so the first QB they had a chance to draft after Savage was Zach Mettenberger.




Man..., some of you guys really hate this current coach. Some of the things I read on this post surprise me.
I will certainly give you guys credit for sticking to your hatred.
.......but slow down a little bit and think about this for a second.

You guys do understand that Bill is the coach, not the GM right..? I mean, he is involved in the draft as much as saying the type of people he would like to have.
Rick handles bringing in the personnel to fit.

you guys make me laugh...:)
Can't you just picture Bill walking into the War Room on draft day..., walking up to Rick Smith and saying, "Here's a coloring book, go sit in the corner, I got this".
 
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Just to be clear and eliminate any of your confusion, yes, Rick Smith does set the draft board and operate the draft, O'Brien picks the players (it's in his contract) when McNair doesn't intervene. If O'Brien says we want Louis Nix with our next pick, Smith says we will need to trade up in order to guarantee to make it happen and O'Brien says make it happen, then Smith makes it happen. There are no coloring books involved.

While we're clearing up confusion, my original post that you took out of context, had absolutely nothing to do with Like or Dislike for Bill O'Brien but actually addressed the author's comments about wanting to draft a QB in O'Brien's first two years.
 
Just to be clear and eliminate any of your confusion, yes, Rick Smith does set the draft board and operate the draft, O'Brien picks the players (it's in his contract) when McNair doesn't intervene. If O'Brien says we want Louis Nix with our next pick, Smith says we will need to trade up in order to guarantee to make it happen and O'Brien says make it happen, then Smith makes it happen. There are no coloring books involved.

While we're clearing things up... it is not in O'Briens contract that he picks the players.

Bill O'Brien has final say on the 53 man roster. So if Rick Smith drafts Kenny Hilliard. O'Brien can say, "Nope, he's not going on the 53. He's not making the team." Then Rick can stick to his guns & try to get Hilliard for the practice squad. Then if O'Brien changes his mind, he can call up Hilliard, if needed. Or, he can say, "I need a running back. I'm not going to bring Hilliard up, get me someone else." Then Rick can go out & get someone like Akeem Hunt & Bill has to choose between Hilliard or Hunt.

Rick Smith can sign someone like Devon Still in the offseason. But he doesn't make the 53 until O'Brien says he's on the 53.

In the offseason, Rick Smith will get the roster up to 90 players. Of course he's going to work with O'Brien to try to get players he likes. But if they're going to trade up to get someone like Nix, most likely they are both in agreement on the player.
 
While we're clearing things up... it is not in O'Briens contract that he picks the players.

Bill O'Brien has final say on the 53 man roster. So if Rick Smith drafts Kenny Hilliard. O'Brien can say, "Nope, he's not going on the 53. He's not making the team." Then Rick can stick to his guns & try to get Hilliard for the practice squad. Then if O'Brien changes his mind, he can call up Hilliard, if needed. Or, he can say, "I need a running back. I'm not going to bring Hilliard up, get me someone else." Then Rick can go out & get someone like Akeem Hunt & Bill has to choose between Hilliard or Hunt.

Rick Smith can sign someone like Devon Still in the offseason. But he doesn't make the 53 until O'Brien says he's on the 53.

In the offseason, Rick Smith will get the roster up to 90 players. Of course he's going to work with O'Brien to try to get players he likes. But if they're going to trade up to get someone like Nix, most likely they are both in agreement on the player.
I don't think you fully understand how the final say on the 53 man roster works.
 
Seems you like being cryptic, but I'll play your game

ok, I get to choose who on the 53 gets to play, and who gets on the 53 out of players I'm offered. I get input on who to bring in, but not sole say on who is brought in
So it makes absolute perfect sense to you that you get the final say on players 1 thru 53 but on players 54 to 80 you have no say or input what so ever? Does that make any sense at all? If you were to say that you have the final decision on all players who are offered a contract you then you would be on the right track.
 
So it makes absolute perfect sense to you that you get the final say on players 1 thru 53 but on players 54 to 80 you have no say or input what so ever? Does that make any sense at all? If you were to say that you have the final decision on all players who are offered a contract you then you would be on the right track.

Yes it makes perfect sense (and is reality for many teams) the GM picks the 90, the offseason and preseason is conducted and the coach then picks the 53 who stay.

What you're asking mischaracterizes TK and JB.
 
So when JB posts (emphasis added):
ok, I get to choose who on the 53 gets to play, and who gets on the 53 out of players I'm offered. I get input on who to bring in, but not sole say on who is brought in

Texian sees (Again, emphasis added):
So it makes absolute perfect sense to you that you get the final say on players 1 thru 53 but on players 54 to 80 you have no say or input what so ever?

You can really interpret a post that badly and not expect it to be viewed as purposely skewing things to try an prove your point?
 
So when JB posts (emphasis added):


Texian sees (Again, emphasis added):


You can really interpret a post that badly and not expect it to be viewed as purposely skewing things to try an prove your point?
That was the argument being made by some but it was not my argument. I understand that it taste pretty bad for those who were making the argument that O'Brien had final say on 1 - 53 and Smith had final say on 54 -80.
 
So when JB posts (emphasis added):


Texian sees (Again, emphasis added):


You can really interpret a post that badly and not expect it to be viewed as purposely skewing things to try an prove your point?

That would never happen on this message board or the internet.
 
Yes it makes perfect sense (and is reality for many teams) the GM picks the 90, the offseason and preseason is conducted and the coach then picks the 53 who stay.

What you're asking mischaracterizes TK and JB.
Yes what you point out makes perfect sense in a situation where the GM has final say on the 53 man roster and who gets a contract, aka Ted Thompson and Ozzie Newsome.

The Texans have a fluster cuck. They have a Cogen boardroom mentality and scouting department that was designed and setup by Gary Kubiak to operate in the same way and manner Kubiak was familiar and comfortable with in Denver. Which by the way has since been scrapped by Denver
 
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So it makes absolute perfect sense to you that you get the final say on players 1 thru 53 but on players 54 to 80 you have no say or input what so ever? Does that make any sense at all? If you were to say that you have the final decision on all players who are offered a contract you then you would be on the right track.

Read again. I said input but not sole say on 54-90
 
That was the argument being made by some but it was not my argument. I understand that it taste pretty bad for those who were making the argument that O'Brien had final say on 1 - 53 and Smith had final say on 54 -80.
I don't really understand how any of this relates to anything I said. You weren't replying to "those who were making the argument that O'Brien had final say on 1 - 53 and Smith had final say on 54 -80", you were replying to JB, and even addressed him (You) in your post.

Again, bluster and misdirection to obscure the fact that you often can't respond directly and concisely (and accurately) to a post in a way that fits your purpose.
 
Texans record and season is by far strong enough for Mcnair's expectations.

Guarantee anyone that OB isn't going anywhere. This thread doesn't have much validity to it at this point.
 
Texans record and season is by far strong enough for Mcnair's expectations.

Guarantee anyone that OB isn't going anywhere. This thread doesn't have much validity to it at this point.
 
Yes what you point out makes perfect sense in a situation where the GM has final say on the 53 man roster and who gets a contract, aka Ted Thompson and Ozzie Newsome.

I said absolutely nothing about the GM picking the final 53. One more time:

Step 1) GM picks the 90.
Step 2) Offseason and preseason transpire.
Step 3) HC picks the 53.

With the obvious reality check that is on final authority but on all the teams they talk thru the whole process.
 
Again, bluster and misdirection to obscure the fact that you often can't respond directly and concisely (and accurately) to a post in a way that fits your purpose.
Or your failure to understand?

Texans record and season is by far strong enough for Mcnair's expectations.

Guarantee anyone that OB isn't going anywhere. This thread doesn't have much validity to it at this point.

Agree, not in 2017 anyways, 2018 is more likely.
 
Who will it be?

Do we revert back and try to lure a Gruden or Cowher out of retirement?

Convince Saban that like Pete C the second time may be the charm for him? ***could you imagine our defensive talent in Sabans system?

BoB has to go. So who coaches next year?

I"m not sure I understand this thread. We are 9-7 or 10-6. And on the way to the playoffs. WTH?

Furthermore, if you want to pin the Osweiler thing on anyone its Bob McNair. I have never been convinced based on body language that Obrien has been in support of him. Even in the announcement press conference, he was not happy. No smiles from him. just didn't seem overjoyed with it.

I would be mad if we went down in flames WITH osweiler. Not doing something is much worse than doing something to have it fail.

Bad calls, bad game management...eh? We have a 10-6 team and your acting like we are 4-12 or 6-10
 
Damn you can't follow a conversation for crap.

And don't know the Packers well enough but Newsome does not pick the final 53. You've incorrectly asserted that on many occasions.
Oh but he does, he has final say on the roster, Harbaugh may say this is who I/coaches want and it gets Ozzie's stamp of approval provided it meets with other parameters such as who is cut and how it fits in with the salary cap.
 
Damn you can't follow a conversation for crap.

And don't know the Packers well enough but Newsome does not pick the final 53. You've incorrectly asserted that on many occasions.

Who's really in charge? AFC North hierarchies run the gamut
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  • By Albert Breer
  • NFL Media reporter
  • Published: June 17, 2013 at 11:39 a.m.
  • Updated: June 17, 2013 at 01:38 p.m.


When it comes to building an NFL roster, hierarchies vary from team to team. Some organizations are driven by general managers, others by owners, a few by head coaches -- and of course, many franchises divvy up checks and balances. Albert Breer takes an in-depth look at all 32 power structures in this eight-part, division-by-division series, which aims to answer one simple question for each NFL team: Who's really in charge? Read the AFC North breakdown below. Click here for other divisions.

BALTIMORE RAVENS
Owner: Steve Bisciotti, 10th year
General Manager: Ozzie Newsome, 12th year
Head Coach: John Harbaugh, 6th year
Other front-office notables: Dick Cass, President; Eric DeCosta, Assistant General Manager; Pat Moriarty, Senior Vice President of Football Administration; Vince Newsome, Director of Pro Personnel; Joe Hortiz, Director of College Scouting; George Kokinis, Senior Personnel Assistant.



Who's really in charge? Ozzie Newsome has headed up personnel for 18 years, the last 12 as GM, and he retains final say over all personnel matters, including the 53-man roster. But this behemoth is built on the strength of more than just one guy. Pat Moriarty, Eric DeCosta, Vince Newsome and George Kokinis were all part of the original Ravens staff with Ozzie in 1996, and Joe Hortiz came aboard in 1998. In few other places does that kind of continuity exist, and the benefit is a tried-and-true system that is inclusive across the board.

DeCosta, who is part of a succession plan that eventually will have him take over for Ozzie, has been entrusted to run the draft, and the way it's done provides a good window into the operation. The assistant GM assigns the top 50 prospects on each side of the ball to each coordinator and puts position coaches on planes to privately work out these players. At the end of the process, DeCosta asks position coaches and coordinators to rank their top guys. John Harbaugh will cast a wider net, getting a feel for the class as a whole rather than spending time writing reports, and he has significant influence with Newsome and DeCosta.

The process is narrower when it comes to free agents, but it does include different levels of coaches and scouts, as well.
 
Who's really in charge? Ozzie Newsome has headed up personnel for 18 years, the last 12 as GM, and he retains final say over all personnel matters, including the 53-man roster.

You've cited that Breer article before, never anything from the organization or even a quote (or any other article for that matter).. And contrary to evidence from the team where Harbaugh does the 53 press conferences.
 
You've cited that Breer article before, never anything from the organization or even a quote (or any other article for that matter).. And contrary to evidence from the team where Harbaugh does the 53 press conferences.
and so it starts, the all to familiar Cak squirm begins....again.
 
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Where's your proof on this?

"Houston gave up a fourth-rounder at No. 101 and its fifth-rounder (No. 141) to move up for a player defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel has been tracking since early in the draft process. Nix was seen as a potential option for the Texans at the 33rd pick, but their patience paid off."

"A mammoth 6-foot-2, 331-pound specimen, Nix can play the zero-technique spot for a Texans defense that housed only Jerrell Powe in the middle before the draft."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...uston-texans-draft-defensive-tackle-louis-nix

Smith also liked him a lot but where Smith erred was he had him way to high on his draft board. Romeo really wanted to draft him and Rick said we will have to trade up in order to get him and they did.
 
Or your failure to understand?



Agree, not in 2017 anyways, 2018 is more likely.

All depends on what happens until then. OB just needs a QB and the Texans are such a more successful team. Problem is that he has been dreadful at locating that QB, and it may end up costing him his job like it has dozens of other good coaches.
 
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"Houston gave up a fourth-rounder at No. 101 and its fifth-rounder (No. 141) to move up for a player defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel has been tracking since early in the draft process. Nix was seen as a potential option for the Texans at the 33rd pick, but their patience paid off."

"A mammoth 6-foot-2, 331-pound specimen, Nix can play the zero-technique spot for a Texans defense that housed only Jerrell Powe in the middle before the draft."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...uston-texans-draft-defensive-tackle-louis-nix

Smith also liked him a lot but where Smith erred was he had him way to high on his draft board. Romeo really wanted to draft him and Rick said we will have to trade up in order to get him and they did.

Good find. That's not the info I got from an inside guy. I asked specifically about Nix as Im a ND fan, I was told Smith wanted him badly.
 
All depends on what happens until then. OB just needs a QB and the Texans are such a more successful team. Problem is that he has been dreadful at locating that QB, and it may end up costing him his job like it has dozens of other good coaches.
The way I see it is McNair handicapped the Texans pretty badly when gave Osweiler and Miller $98MM. Now the the Texans are very limited as to what they can do in the 2017 off season and free agency (anyone see a pattern here). The Texans will not be much in the way of off season players so a repeat or step back looks inevitable. Especially when you consider in 2017 the Titans will have $75MM in cap space, Jags 67MM and the Colts $60MM compared to the Texans $25MM.

Thought it interesting when O'Brien was asked why he liked and drafted Savage, O'Brien said, he flew to Pittsburgh sat down w/ Savage and had an eye to eye talk and he also had in depth conversation with all of Savage's coaches. I'm beginning to believe that Osweiler was a McNair deal from the get go and O'Brien went along to get along. You know that part of Cogen Boardroom mentality. After another year like the last few my guess is McNair will be ready to wash his hands of the whole lot.
 
Good find. That's not the info I got from an inside guy. I asked specifically about Nix as Im a ND fan, I was told Smith wanted him badly.
I know you've your sources and trust your information and what you have told me. I have no doubt that Smith coveted Nix but I do believe that it was Romeo that pulled that string.
 
The way I see it is McNair handicapped the Texans pretty badly when gave Osweiler and Miller $98MM. Now the the Texans are very limited as to what they can do in the 2017 off season and free agency (anyone see a pattern here). The Texans will not be much in the way of off season players so a repeat or step back looks inevitable. Especially when you consider in 2017 the Titans will have $75MM in cap space, Jags 67MM and the Colts $60MM compared to the Texans $25MM.

Thought it interesting when O'Brien was asked why he liked and drafted Savage, O'Brien said, he flew to Pittsburgh sat down w/ Savage and had an eye to eye talk and he also had in depth conversation with all of Savage's coaches. I'm beginning to believe that Osweiler was a McNair deal from the get go and O'Brien went along to get along. You know that part of Cogen Boardroom mentality. After another year like the last few my guess is McNair will be ready to wash his hands of the whole lot.

I don't think that OB would go along to get along. Not his style. He is to strong of a personality, and that would make him look really bad as a QB evaluator if Oz became a bust which he obviously has. OB could lose his job over that, and it would also follow him on the open market where he might have that reputation as a bad QB evaluator to follow him.
 
The way I see it is McNair handicapped the Texans pretty badly when gave Osweiler and Miller $98MM. Now the the Texans are very limited as to what they can do in the 2017 off season and free agency (anyone see a pattern here). The Texans will not be much in the way of off season players so a repeat or step back looks inevitable. Especially when you consider in 2017 the Titans will have $75MM in cap space, Jags 67MM and the Colts $60MM compared to the Texans $25MM.

I guess if you keep saying the same thing over & over again, you'll be right sooner or later. Kinda like a broken clock.

You said the same thing last year... now the Jags have fired their coach.

As crappie as their teams are, they'll need to spend that ,only to catch up to us.
 
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