Next Head Coach

[Scooter]

Come on now.....Be honest...
Keenum and Yates are serviceable at best. It's okay. I know you're frustrated like the rest of us.
They are adequate 2nd string guys. I'm a U of H guy myself. I like Keenum. He had his moments with Kubiak.
But being fair, if you look at his career stats, he hasn't had a QBR rating to reach 48 yet. Matt Schaub was consistently in the low to high 60's most of his playing time.
( 34.55 QBR the last year with us ).

.....but to the rest of your point, "who makes the decision in the draft?".
If it really is the COACH making the decisions, then what does the General Manager do...? What about our scouting system.?
Who decided not to draft a QB after Matt melted down..??
If it really was the coach like you're suggesting, then I would agree with you.

That's exactly it, Keenum and Yates were serviceable. Instead of cutting them for a string of journeymen of the same 'serviceable' talent level, we could've ridden those two for a year to 9 wins while the drafted quarterback has the luxury of sitting for a year. Instead we keep going sideways with these free agents that are equal to or worse than what O'Brien started with - and have yet to really draft a QB. Yes McNair and Smith share blame for their lack of foresight and draft problems, but I'm putting the QB situation almost squarely on O'Brien.

 

[Seegara]

If this were High School or College I could see the Head Coach seating a QB that is playing the way Brock is currently, BUT there is too much money invested.

No sense throwing good money after bad.

"my guess" is Mr. McNair told Rick to sign the best available FA to appease the fans.
.

It did appease us--downright pleased most of us--until we saw Brock doing the things he was already known to do: stare down his predetermined receiver and throw wildly off target.

 

[Double Barrel]

McNair was pretty clear at the Kubiak being FIRED press conference that Keenum was the Texans QB of the future. That's twice that McNair has saddled a new Head Coach with a faulty failed QB to start his first season as Texans HC. Starting the 2015 season O'Brien categorically stated that the Texans did not have a QB problem.

Yep. Those of us that closely watch this team every season now have enough information to connect the dots to see a bigger picture. And that bigger picture starts and ends with Bob McNair and the boardroom style front office he has chosen for his franchise.

For some reason, the fact that Cal McNair has a seat at the boardroom table irks me. I don't know the guy, never met the dude, but he comes across as a silver-spooned doofus with a Cheshire cat smile. What is there in his history that could lead us to believe that he has any insight or knowledge with evaluating talent and running a successful (i.e. on the field, not P&L statement) football team?

McNair is so scarred by his David Carr failure that he's not even letting his shiny new "QB guru" head coach take a look at ALL of the potential picks in the draft. Finding out that this franchise never even bothered to check out Derek Carr, someone that O'Brien seemed to like, reveals the inherit flawed nature of smartest-man-in-the-room syndrome owner.

I think Brock was a McNair / Smith decision and they stroked O'Brien's "QB guru" ego to go along with it. JMO based on the dots we are allowed to see and connect.

 

[steelbtexan]

That's exactly it, Keenum and Yates were serviceable. Instead of cutting them for a string of journeymen of the same 'serviceable' talent level, we could've ridden those two for a year to 9 wins while the drafted quarterback has the luxury of sitting for a year. Instead we keep going sideways with these free agents that are equal to or worse than what O'Brien started with - and have yet to really draft a QB. Yes McNair and Smith share blame for their lack of foresight and draft problems, but I'm putting the QB situation almost squarely on O'Brien.

Agreed,

But Os was a McNair/Smith pick. IMHO I was hoping McNair would get lucky with OS. But there's no denying that the Os signing was a typical Texans reactionary move that was related to last yrs 30-0 playoff joke.

BOB is just living with the consequences.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

Seems to me that Os is regressing.

I don't think he's smart enough to fully grasp Bill O'Brien's complicated offensive system. There are times he looks confused and out of sync. The proof is in the pudding with his 28 % completion percentage on passes over 15 yards.

When O'Brien dumbs down the play-calling selection and Osweiler is running a vanilla offense or a dink and dunk offense - a West Coast offense which he played last year under Kubiak - he seems to play better. Even though his short and quick passes are thrown way too hard (I have no clue why he can't take some zip off those passes), it opens up some of his longer passes which is the worst in the NFL this year.

I would just run the basic plays and cater to what Brock does well, which some of you may say is nothing, but at least give him a chance to start playing better. All I know is what we've been doing hasn't been working.

I watch every game hoping to see some signs of improvements on offense. It's just disappointing to be this late into the season (December in a couple days) and we don't have any cohesiveness or consistency.

Brock Osweiler played better offensive football in the preseason running a vanilla offense. I hate to be that blunt but we're not making the type of progress we should be making on offense.

It doesn't help that he has accuracy issues but clearly we are not calling the type of plays he can succeed with. I wish Brock had stayed in Denver looking back. He'd probably play better under Gary Kubiak. With boot legs, roll outs, play-action passes and a West Coast offense.

Our best bet right now is to make Brock Osweiler a game manager and run basic vanilla plays. Just like we did in the preseason. Throw all the complicated BS out the window, Bill O'Brien! We don't have a smart quarterback out there.

 

[Hervoyel]

I don't think he's smart enough to fully grasp Bill O'Brien's complicated offensive system. There are times he looks confused and out of sync. The proof is in the pudding with his 28 % completion percentage on passes over 15 yards.

When O'Brien dumbs down the play-calling selection and Osweiler is running a vanilla offense or a dink and dunk offense - a West Coast offense which he played last year under Kubiak - he seems to play better. Even though his short and quick passes are thrown way too hard (I have no clue why he can't take some zip off those passes), it opens up some of his longer passes which is the worst in the NFL this year.

I would just run the basic plays and cater to what Brock does well, which some of you may say is nothing, but at least give him a chance to start playing better. All I know is what we've been doing hasn't been working.

I watch every game hoping to see some signs of improvements on offense. It's just disappointing to be this late into the season (December in a couple days) and we don't have any cohesiveness or consistency.

Brock Osweiler played better offensive football in the preseason running a vanilla offense. I hate to say be that blunt but we're not making the type of progress we should be making on offense.

O'Brien was able to find stuff that Case Keenum did well. He found things that Brandon Weeden did well and that T.J. Yates did well enough. He was able to get Brian Hoyer to look decent in the regular season and he put Ryan Fitzpatrick in a position to succeed (which he did mostly in that ugly Fitzmagic kind of way he has).

I can't believe he can't find some sort of "Fisher-Price My-First-Offense" system that Brock can run adequately. I just can't believe it.

 

[Say Watt]

Yep. Those of us that closely watch this team every season now have enough information to connect the dots to see a bigger picture. And that bigger picture starts and ends with Bob McNair and the boardroom style front office he has chosen for his franchise.

For some reason, the fact that Cal McNair has a seat at the boardroom table irks me. I don't know the guy, never met the dude, but he comes across as a silver-spooned doofus with a Cheshire cat smile. What is there in his history that could lead us to believe that he has any insight or knowledge with evaluating talent and running a successful (i.e. on the field, not P&L statement) football team?

McNair is so scarred by his David Carr failure that he's not even letting his shiny new "QB guru" head coach take a look at ALL of the potential picks in the draft. Finding out that this franchise never even bothered to check out Derek Carr, someone that O'Brien seemed to like, reveals the inherit flawed nature of smartest-man-in-the-room syndrome owner.

I think Brock was a McNair / Smith decision and they stroked O'Brien's "QB guru" ego to go along with it. JMO based on the dots we are allowed to see and connect.

Geez dude.

How can we turn off the switch that makes us fans of this pathetic organization? I too am coming to the exact same conclusions. I've tried to ignore it. I've tried to think of the McNair conspiracy theorists as delusional. But at every turn, it just becomes more and more apparent.

You know at least Jerry is honest about his meddling. He thinks he's the smartest man in the room. To use my Star Wars analogy from the other thread, he's like the Emperor. Everyone knows he's evil. He lets everyone know just how evil he is. But McNair? McNair is Jar Jar Binks in that crazy ass theory that Jar Jar is the true Lord of the Sith. He plays dumb. He gives you this "awe shucks" persona. But really and truly, he's pulling the strings from behind the curtain.

Someone please teach me how to quit being a fan of this organization. I don't want Jar Jar as my leader!

 

[Hervoyel]

Yep. Those of us that closely watch this team every season now have enough information to connect the dots to see a bigger picture. And that bigger picture starts and ends with Bob McNair and the boardroom style front office he has chosen for his franchise.

For some reason, the fact that Cal McNair has a seat at the boardroom table irks me. I don't know the guy, never met the dude, but he comes across as a silver-spooned doofus with a Cheshire cat smile. What is there in his history that could lead us to believe that he has any insight or knowledge with evaluating talent and running a successful (i.e. on the field, not P&L statement) football team?

McNair is so scarred by his David Carr failure that he's not even letting his shiny new "QB guru" head coach take a look at ALL of the potential picks in the draft. Finding out that this franchise never even bothered to check out Derek Carr, someone that O'Brien seemed to like, reveals the inherit flawed nature of smartest-man-in-the-room syndrome owner.

I think Brock was a McNair / Smith decision and they stroked O'Brien's "QB guru" ego to go along with it. JMO based on the dots we are allowed to see and connect.

Used to think "Thank God we don't have an owner like Jerry Jones"

Now I think "We aren't even lucky enough to have an owner like Jerry Jones"

McNair is actually worse because he sits back all calm and collected, "Fatherly" even and makes like the non-interfering type owners but going back to around the time he hired Kubiak and Smith he's really been a very hands-on kind of owner who has probably advanced his own role (and Cal's) far beyond what their actual understanding deserves.

Cal irks me too. He comes across like Bob McNair's personal "Boo-Boo". Just some soft, lazy, fat kid whose dad owns an NFL team so he's going to own it someday when daddy dies. I had no idea he played football for UT (what position did he play?) but other than that and being around for the entire Texans existence I don't know that he has any particular insight into a football team or its parts.

 

[JB]

O'Brien was able to find stuff that Case Keenum did well. He found things that Brandon Weeden did well and that T.J. Yates did well enough. He was able to get Brian Hoyer to look decent in the regular season and he put Ryan Fitzpatrick in a position to succeed (which he did mostly in that ugly Fitzmagic kind of way he has).

I can't believe he can't find some sort of "Fisher-Price My-First-Offense" system that Brock can run adequately. I just can't believe it.

He found "plays he liked" well enough at the end of the Colts game...

Does the offense he's now running look the same as the first two years? Is he progressing his offense as time goes on or has the league caught on to him?

Asking about O'Brien there if it wasn't clear

 

[Rev.G.Longlove]

McNair was pretty clear at the Kubiak being FIRED press conference that Keenum was the Texans QB of the future. That's twice that McNair has saddled a new Head Coach with a faulty failed QB to start his first season as Texans HC. Starting the 2015 season O'Brien categorically stated that the Texans did not have a QB problem.

Yeah I remember that.
I remember Kubiak saying he could fix David Carr too. Maybe it's the ego these guys have thinking they can set things right.
Or maybe it's just that there are 32 of those jobs and these coaches will say and do whatever it takes to get a shot.

FYI: I heard Brian T. Smith of the Chronicle say on AM 790 today that he knew for a fact that Bill O'Brien wanted to draft a QB the first 2 years.
If that is true, then Bill doesn't have much clout when it comes to personnel.

 

[Hervoyel]

He found "plays he liked" well enough at the end of the Colts game...

Does the offense he's now running look the same as the first two years? Is he progressing his offense as time goes on or has the league caught on to him?

Asking about O'Brien there if it wasn't clear

The thing that seems to work most consistently for him is the passing game to the TE's right now (to me, I'm far from an expert here) but that makes sense because for the last two seasons we've been asking "Why don't we throw to our TE's?" so the league can't have caught up to him yet there right?

I think his offense is somewhere between Bigfoot and Nessie. Every now and then there's a sighting but most of the time it's hard to find any evidence at all that it exists.

 

[Speedy]

Maybe so.
IMO, It looks like Bill is doing the best job he can with the talent he has. Osweiler is just not accurate. He continually throws behind the receiver instead of leading him a little. Bill is having to run the ball more to minimize the dependence of Brock. Defenses know it. They can stack the box and make Brock throw.
Anyway...., Bill does have a winning record.

Remember Kubiak had two of the best seasons this franchise has ever seen when Matt Schaub was an accurate QB. When Matt fell apart, Kubiak became a horrible coach.

Best job he can with the talent he has...maybe...but he's part of the reason he has that talent.

And yes, OB does have a winning record as a head coach. 24-19, no arguing that. 10-0 against Tennessee and Jacksonville, 14-19 against the rest of the league.

 

[76Texan]

How often do you have a HC with a winning record 3 consecutive years that fans think need to be replaced?

 

[Texian]

Yeah I remember that.
I remember Kubiak saying he could fix David Carr too. Maybe it's the ego these guys have thinking they can set things right.
Or maybe it's just that there are 32 of those jobs and these coaches will say and do whatever it takes to get a shot.

FYI: I heard Brian T. Smith of the Chronicle say on AM 790 today that he knew for a fact that Bill O'Brien wanted to draft a QB the first 2 years.
If that is true, then Bill doesn't have much clout when it comes to personnel.

or maybe fixing Carr was a nonnegotiable condition of employment that had to be agreed to in order to get the job. (which it was)

I 'll go back to Texans Draft War Room picture and the man front in center down on the front row. The truth be known Bob McNair could be worse than Jerry Jones in his early years. Brian T Smith is probably right and O'Brien did draft Savage with a comp pick in RD 4 in 14'. Texans entered 2014 draft with McNair convinced that Keenum was the future so McNair went with his Alumni, South Carolina and Clowney. Belichick snookered Bill & Bob by taking Garoppolo in RD2 at pick #62 when the Texans may have had him penciled in at #65. At the time McNair was allergic to anyone named Carr and probably still is. Then O'Brien traded away 4th and 5th RD picks for Louis Nix, so the first QB they had a chance to draft after Savage was Zach Mettenberger.

In 2015 draft after Winston and Mariotta the next QB drafted was Garrett Grayson. Truth be known saying and doing are two different things and O'Brien was elated and giddy after signing Hoyer in free agency. This year was a non issue after pulling the trigger on Osweiler in March. So saying you wanted to draft a QB in the first 2 years sounds good and you did in the first year but the overall statement it really doesn't carry a lot of weight.

 

[Double Barrel]

Geez dude.

How can we turn off the switch that makes us fans of this pathetic organization? I too am coming to the exact same conclusions. I've tried to ignore it. I've tried to think of the McNair conspiracy theorists as delusional. But at every turn, it just becomes more and more apparent.

You know at least Jerry is honest about his meddling. He thinks he's the smartest man in the room. To use my Star Wars analogy from the other thread, he's like the Emperor. Everyone knows he's evil. He lets everyone know just how evil he is. But McNair? McNair is Jar Jar Binks in that crazy ass theory that Jar Jar is the true Lord of the Sith. He plays dumb. He gives you this "awe shucks" persona. But really and truly, he's pulling the strings from behind the curtain.

Someone please teach me how to quit being a fan of this organization. I don't want Jar Jar as my leader!

I did not arrive at my own conclusions lightly. And I don't say these things out of spite or anger. The truth is that I've become quite apathetic about the Texans. It is from apathy, and the subsequent desire to see things as objectively as I can, that we can look at facts, trends, and information from the past 15 years in order to form a cohesive narrative.

I honestly do not want to be at this point, but I cannot lie to myself about what I'm perceiving with this franchise. The internet has a long memory, so the ability to put things together is much easier these days.

It really came down to understanding how to manage my own expectations as a fan when I step back and big picture analyze things. Now, I realize that no expectations never lead to disappointment, and that's where I'm at with this team. Absolutely no expectations whatsoever beyond statue quo year after year.

Unfortunately, there's not a lot of fun in that, just like watching the 2016 Texans.

 

[bigmck]

Yep. Those of us that closely watch this team every season now have enough information to connect the dots to see a bigger picture. And that bigger picture starts and ends with Bob McNair and the boardroom style front office he has chosen for his franchise.

For some reason, the fact that Cal McNair has a seat at the boardroom table irks me. I don't know the guy, never met the dude, but he comes across as a silver-spooned doofus with a Cheshire cat smile. What is there in his history that could lead us to believe that he has any insight or knowledge with evaluating talent and running a successful (i.e. on the field, not P&L statement) football team?

McNair is so scarred by his David Carr failure that he's not even letting his shiny new "QB guru" head coach take a look at ALL of the potential picks in the draft. Finding out that this franchise never even bothered to check out Derek Carr, someone that O'Brien seemed to like, reveals the inherit flawed nature of smartest-man-in-the-room syndrome owner.

I think Brock was a McNair / Smith decision and they stroked O'Brien's "QB guru" ego to go along with it. JMO based on the dots we are allowed to see and connect.

Derek was good in college and is good now, but I can just imagine the posts here if the Texans picked him in the Draft. There would have been no mercy...........

 

[JB]

I did not arrive at my own conclusions lightly. And I don't say these things out of spite or anger. The truth is that I've become quite apathetic about the Texans. It is from apathy, and the subsequent desire to see things as objectively as I can, that we can look at facts, trends, and information from the past 15 years in order to form a cohesive narrative.

I honestly do not want to be at this point, but I cannot lie to myself about what I'm perceiving with this franchise. The internet has a long memory, so the ability to put things together is much easier these days.

It really came down to understanding how to manage my own expectations as a fan when I step back and big picture analyze things. Now, I realize that no expectations never lead to disappointment, and that's where I'm at with this team. Absolutely no expectations whatsoever beyond statue quo year after year.

Unfortunately, there's not a lot of fun in that, just like watching the 2016 Texans.

I don't think I've ever been this apathetic of a Houston Pro football team. Not even back to back 1-13 seasons and Bud Adams did this to me

Not even Hugh Campbell

 

[Speedy]

Derek was good in college and is good now, but I can just imagine the posts here if the Texans picked him in the Draft. There would have been no mercy...........

You must not have been around here for the '06 draft.

And screw what fans and message board posters think. If Carr was the pick and the team is 9-2 like the Raiders are now, that's all that matters.

And not saying this was the case, but if the Texans were so short sighted that Derek wasn't even on their board because of David, then you at least know why they're where they're at right now. More worried about PR than putting together a championship caliber football team.

At least they didn't cave in '06 and got that right. Somewhere they got away from that though. Oh wait, Rick Smith took over after that draft, right? Hmm.

 

[Double Barrel]

Derek was good in college and is good now, but I can just imagine the posts here if the Texans picked him in the Draft. There would have been no mercy...........

Well he and his brother (not David) could have just come here with their existing accounts and set us straight. I do not doubt that Derek will return to rub our noses in it if he ever gets a ring.

I don't think I've ever been this apathetic of a Houston Pro football team. Not even back to back 1-13 seasons and Bud Adams did this to me

Not even Hugh Campbell

The Oilers used to just piss me off a lot. Or depress the heck out of me.

But, that only came from caring about the team. Even after 35-3, I swore them off, but then Buddy comes to town and the next year they go from 1-4 to 12-4. Yeah, that season ended up pissing me off, too!

They had many years where they clearly had the talent the roster, but always seemed to shoot themselves in the foot more than they'd get beat by another team.

But yeah, like you, I never felt truly apathetic about the Oilers. Maybe it's just information overload these days. Back then, football was truly a season, and not a year-round media blitz.

 

[Hervoyel]

How often do you have a HC with a winning record 3 consecutive years that fans think need to be replaced?

Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati gets his name called regularly. I seem to remember Marty Schottenheimer being run out of just about every job he ever had winning every where he went (just not the way the fans wanted or in the postseason). Of course John Fox got sent packing after four straight playoff seasons in Denver but I don't know if the fans were calling for him to be fired or not. Wouldn't surprise me if they were.

I think every HC in the NFL gets some portion of the fanbase calling for his head every year no matter what he's done. It just goes with the territory.

 

[badboy]

Osweiler will be paid the remaining guaranteed $16 m whether on team or not. The only reason to keep him is if fantasying he will "earn" a roster spot in 2017. If not on roster in 2017 his cap still effects us but if gone we have his spot on the 53 for another player. A late first round Qb taken in April would allow us to start with a new hope for a minimal first year cost.

If you are a rich business owner, you disregard cost of mistake and readjust your plan moving forward. You correct the employee making the error (hand slap, suspension/penalty or termination) and boot out the door any you don't believe got the message. $16 million is huge loss but peanuts to McNair. More of a concern should be his coach and GM.

You purchase an expensive barrel of apples that look good; bite into one and it is not what you expected. If you cannot make at least apple sauce that will be bought by your customers, that apple is discarded not put back into barrel hoping it will somehow get better. You gripe about cost of the apple and then move on.

 

[infantrycak]

Osweiler will be paid the remaining guaranteed $16 m whether on team or not. The only reason to keep him is if fantasying he will "earn" a roster spot in 2017. If not on roster in 2017 his cap still effects us but if gone we have his spot on the 53 for another player. A late first round Qb taken in April would allow us to start with a new hope for a minimal first year cost.

Makes a big difference in the accounting.

 

[Texian]

Yep. Those of us that closely watch this team every season now have enough information to connect the dots to see a bigger picture. And that bigger picture starts and ends with Bob McNair and the boardroom style front office he has chosen for his franchise.

For some reason, the fact that Cal McNair has a seat at the boardroom table irks me. I don't know the guy, never met the dude, but he comes across as a silver-spooned doofus with a Cheshire cat smile. What is there in his history that could lead us to believe that he has any insight or knowledge with evaluating talent and running a successful (i.e. on the field, not P&L statement) football team?

McNair is so scarred by his David Carr failure that he's not even letting his shiny new "QB guru" head coach take a look at ALL of the potential picks in the draft. Finding out that this franchise never even bothered to check out Derek Carr, someone that O'Brien seemed to like, reveals the inherit flawed nature of smartest-man-in-the-room syndrome owner.

I think Brock was a McNair / Smith decision and they stroked O'Brien's "QB guru" ego to go along with it. JMO based on the dots we are allowed to see and connect.

Yep 5 or 6 years ago I started saying that the carefully scripted public relations image of Bob McNair as the best owner in professional sports was a facade. I compared McNair to a couple of losers Rankin Smith and John Mecom Jr. I also said that McNair behaved a bit like Jerah Jones. Only difference is Jones prefers to be the Carnival Barker in Center Ring and McNair prefers to stay behind the green curtain. Boy O'boy the Kool Aid crowd was ready to string me up and banish me forever. Back then 2 or 3 maybe agreed with me but today it is quite a few more.

Cal irks me too. He's 25% of the board that is making decisions on all player personnel and Cal freely admits he doesn't go the Combine or attend any Pro Days. I think you nailed it with your silver spoon doofus analogy. To answer your question, none, nada, nothing and when Cal is in charge it's only going to get worse, so you got that to look forward to. I agree, I too think Brock was a McNair Smith concoction and O'Brien happily went along because he still had his job after the KC game and had no other options at his disposal. The fact the Board Room did virtually no due diligence on Brock (a rush to judgement) explains all to well why the McNairs are getting exactly what they are putting in to it. Don't do Due Diligence, don't go to Combines or Pro Days is there any wonder why the Texans are who they are? It's not that they don't want to win, they simply have no idea of how to win. There is a GIANT void in their Commitment to Excellence.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

Well he and his brother (not David) could have just come here with their existing accounts and set us straight. I do not doubt that Derek will return to rub our noses in it if he ever gets a ring.

David Carr had won a Super Bowl ring didn't he?
As Eli Manning's backup with the Giants or am I mistaken?
I mean hey, Brock Osweiler has a Super Bowl ring too. LOL

 

[Say Watt]

It really came down to understanding how to manage my own expectations as a fan when I step back and big picture analyze things. Now, I realize that no expectations never lead to disappointment, and that's where I'm at with this team. Absolutely no expectations whatsoever beyond statue quo year after year.

Unfortunately, there's not a lot of fun in that, just like watching the 2016 Texans.

You're on the money. I too don't want to admit these things either. I've never liked Cal but have never had a problem with Bob. He seems like a jolly, good guy, and I'm thankful he brought football back to Houston.

But a lot of that thankfulness goes by the wayside if we're correct, and he's the one that keeps steering the Titanic straight into that iceberg year after year after year. Is he so egotistical that he thinks he's going to be the one that rights this ship? After 15 years of mediocre to bad football, surely he's got to see the error of his ways.

Reality appears to be he does not see the errors. He's done nothing but hire yes men, and the fact that he continues to keep Rick Smith around should be the nail in the coffin cementing the "theory" that Bob McNair is really the one running things over on Kirby. Frankly, it's disgusting.

But to really respond to your post I have to ask, why do we continue to support this franchise that seemingly wipes their collective asses with our hard earned money we stupidly spend on this team, and how can we quit rooting for a team that with Bob McNair as the owner will never win anything in the NFL?

You and I grew up in different times but like you, I sure as hell wish I'd become a Cowboys fan with my 8th grade best friend. The more things change the more they stay the same.

 

[steelbtexan]

I did not arrive at my own conclusions lightly. And I don't say these things out of spite or anger. The truth is that I've become quite apathetic about the Texans. It is from apathy, and the subsequent desire to see things as objectively as I can, that we can look at facts, trends, and information from the past 15 years in order to form a cohesive narrative.

I honestly do not want to be at this point, but I cannot lie to myself about what I'm perceiving with this franchise. The internet has a long memory, so the ability to put things together is much easier these days.

It really came down to understanding how to manage my own expectations as a fan when I step back and big picture analyze things. Now, I realize that no expectations never lead to disappointment, and that's where I'm at with this team. Absolutely no expectations whatsoever beyond statue quo year after year.

Unfortunately, there's not a lot of fun in that, just like watching the 2016 Texans.

People are starting to realize what the McNair's are all about when it comes to the Texans org. I became apathetic to the Texans after the Pats game and haven't been into the Texans as much this yr. I have been playing golf during Texans games and usually catch the last part of the game.

For instance, I watched the UH-Louisville game instead of MNF. I just think the whole NFL is rigged to get the results the Park Ave crew want. I mean what's a catch, why cant the official see if a guy is of bounds when he is standing right there, is it that hard for an official to spot the ball properly. End rant.

BTW, I just got my playoff application in and found out that I didn't win the lotto so I wont be going to the SB. I'm rooting against the Texans making the playoffs, since they have no chance of winning a SB and that playoff game will cost me $1,500.00. So by proxy I'm rooting against my team so that real change has a chance to occur and I dont like that feeling at all. But as long as McNair keeps making $$$$ to the tune of a billion dollars, I really dont expect much change.

Why do I still spend $$$$ on such a pitifully run org? Because my wife enjoys going to the games and I dont want to lose my PSL $$$. It feel alot like sitting at a blackjack table chasing a lost bet by doubling down while on a cold streak.

Sad thing is I really believe the McNair's really dont care about any of what I posted above. I'm just in a joyful mood knowing Os is going to crap the bed at Lambeau this weekend. I may watch some of it for the comdeic value of seeing a hurt Rodgers carve this team up.

Forget point spreads, the real O/U is Os 3 turnovers O/U.

 

[Double Barrel]

David Carr had won a Super Bowl ring didn't he?
As Eli Manning's backup with the Giants or am I mistaken?
I mean hey, Brock Osweiler has a Super Bowl ring too. LOL

He sure did. He was one of the best championship clipboard holders in the NFL at the time.

And here's his brothers to brag about it on this same forum: Old Friends

 

[banned1976]

I don't know who is more anxious to get O'Brien out of Houston - the fans or O'Brien. He's looking and sounding like a guy who doesn't give a damn anymore. Challenge a 3rd down spot? Ahhhhh, who cares. Make a change at some key positions? Why bother.

The first year of the O'Brien tenure, I thought "yes"! "We finally got a fiery coach!". Then came Hard Knocks to reaffirm this sentiment. Now, it's like he went to a shrink and they put him on Ritalin.

I want him to be angry and defiant. Give that man some PCP or synthetic cathinones. If he starts to eat a ref or an opposing coach, just shoot him with a tranquilizer. This new, mellow version of O'Brien isn't working for me.

 

[Say Watt]

He sure did. He was one of the best championship clipboard holders in the NFL at the time.

And here's his brothers to brag about it on this same forum: Old Friends

Did you officially find out QB75 is Derek and not the dad?

Wonder what the significance of 75 is for all of them. Funny thread. Man hindsight being 20/20, I'd sure love to have Derek as QB of the Texans. He's 10x the QB his brother ever was. Went and saw him play at Clements a couple of times. He always did look like he had potential. Never saw him being as good as he is though.

 

[Uncle Rico]

I don't know who is more anxious to get O'Brien out of Houston - the fans or O'Brien. He's looking and sounding like a guy who doesn't give a damn anymore. Challenge a 3rd down spot? Ahhhhh, who cares. Make a change at some key positions? Why bother.

The first year of the O'Brien tenure, I thought "yes"! "We finally got a fiery coach!". Then came Hard Knocks to reaffirm this sentiment. Now, it's like he went to a shrink and they put him on Ritalin.

I want him to be angry and defiant. Give that man some PCP or synthetic cathinones. If he starts to eat a ref or an opposing coach, just shoot him with a tranquilizer. This new, mellow version of O'Brien isn't working for me.

Being a 'fiery' coach doesn't make you a good coach. I bought into it at first too, but now it seems as if he tries to be Belichek too much with the podium snark and tough guy antics. I don't see that personality on the field much, quite the contrary he seems to retreat into his shell at crucial moments.

Give me a Dick Vermeil type who will cry and say he loves you and whatever other soft stereotype you can think of as long as the man knows how to use a damn timeout,challenge,critical playcall, instant tendency identification etc.. etc..

 

[banned1976]

Being a 'fiery' coach doesn't make you a good coach. I bought into it at first too, but now it seems as if he tries to be Belichek too much with the podium snark and tough guy antics. I don't see that personality on the field much, quite the contrary he seems to retreat into his shell at crucial moments.

Give me a Dick Vermeil type who will cry and say he loves you and whatever other soft stereotype you can think of as long as the man knows how to use a damn timeout,challenge,critical playcall, instant tendency identification etc.. etc..

You're talking the same language. A coach that expresses his emotions. Yeah, if that emotionless coach is Tom Landry or Belichick, fine. Be a robot. But for Christ's sake, this is a bland team that at every opportunity they have a "statement game", they take on the coaches persona. One of the things that was being said about Kubiak last year and the year before at Denver was he was finally having fun coaching. Not since Oail Andrew Bum Phillips has a coach come in and energized his team in Houston.

Have fun, get angry, cry or win. Do all of them, or only one of them as long as you do the last thing and do it consistently.

As far as the rest of what you mentioned - game management and the game day basics; of course that has to happen.

 

[Double Barrel]

Did you officially find out QB75 is Derek and not the dad?

Wonder what the significance of 75 is for all of them. Funny thread. Man hindsight being 20/20, I'd sure love to have Derek as QB of the Texans. He's 10x the QB his brother ever was. Went and saw him play at Clements a couple of times. He always did look like he had potential. Never saw him being as good as he is though.

Vinny had told me at one point that both Hulk75 and QB75 were David's brothers. I never heard that QB75 was his dad until it was mentioned in that thread. But, based on the years of arguing with the guys, I tend to believe that they were both brothers. And Derek would have been a teenager at the time, and he had the typical teenage snarkiness about him.

 

[steelbtexan]

Vinny had told me at one point that both Hulk75 and QB75 were David's brothers. I never heard that QB75 was his dad until it was mentioned in that thread. But, based on the years of arguing with the guys, I tend to believe that they were both brothers. And Derek would have been a teenager at the time, and he had the typical teenage snarkiness about him.

I dont know about that,

Roger Carr put the snark in snarkiness.

My dislike of Roger Carr is why I was glad the Texans didn't draft Derek. I knew Derek had the ability to be an above avg starting QB in the NFL. David for that matter had the same ability.

 

[76Texan]

O'Brien has no ball.
He can't work the establishment to get the right QB for his scheme.

He might be a good man and all that, but all we see from him is a QB that is somewhat familiar with the scheme (ie., with experience in the system he's been trying to implement) without thorough consideration whether he (they) is really fit / can run that scheme.

He needs one that can get the ball out fast as opposed to a play action QB.

Not necessarily a bad HC, just can't get his priority straight , which, in turn make him a bad HC.

 

[Texansphan]

Who will it be?

Do we revert back and try to lure a Gruden or Cowher out of retirement?

Convince Saban that like Pete C the second time may be the charm for him? ***could you imagine our defensive talent in Sabans system?

BoB has to go. So who coaches next year?

Hmmm...24-19 with sub-par qb play in his first 3 years as an NFL HC and you're ready to kick him to the kerb?
You're hard to please.

 

[Cerberus]

I don't know that he'd consider Houston for a destination, but if I was looking for a HC right now and didn't want to recycle an old HC, I'd probably approach Stanford's HC, David Shaw.

 

[Speedy]

Hmmm...24-19 with sub-par qb play in his first 3 years as an NFL HC and you're ready to kick him to the kerb?
You're hard to please.

14-19 against everyone not named Titans and Jaguars.

 

[Texansphan]

14-19 against everyone not named Titans and Jaguars.

So? We beat teams we were supposed beat and didn't lose one.
Divisional games are usually tough games.
2014 v Titans - road/30-16; 45-21
v Jags - road/27-13; 23-17
2015 v Titans - 20-6; road/34-6
v Jags - road/31-20; 30-6
2016 v Titans - 27-20
v Jags - road/24-21
All games were convincing wins except the highlit ones which were tougher.
Can't complain about those stats at all - although there will always be one.
Btw, your math is wrong - that would be 18-19.

 

[Seegara]

Hmmm...24-19 with sub-par qb play in his first 3 years as an NFL HC and you're ready to kick him to the kerb?
You're hard to please.

Curb is one of those words spelled very differently on opposite sides of the pond. Your spelling marks you as a Britisher.

 

[Texansphan]

Curb is one of those words spelled very differently on opposite sides of the pond. Your spelling marks you as a Britisher.

Not even close, so no cigar.
Curb vs. kerb
In American and Canadian English, the noun meaning the edge of a sidewalk or roadway is spelled curb. In varieties of English from outside North America, the word is spelled kerb. But everyone uses curb for the verb meaning to check or restrain and for the verb’s corresponding noun (e.g., curbs on spending).

The underlined portions are my emphasis.
I use the two different spellings to distinguish the verb (curb) from the noun (kerb).

 

[Speedy]

So? We beat teams we were supposed beat and didn't lose one.
Divisional games are usually tough games.
2014 v Titans - road/30-16; 45-21
v Jags - road/27-13; 23-17
2015 v Titans - 20-6; road/34-6
v Jags - road/31-20; 30-6
2016 v Titans - 27-20
v Jags - road/24-21
All games were convincing wins except the highlit ones which were tougher.
Can't complain about those stats at all - although there will always be one.
Btw, your math is wrong - that would be 18-19.

They don't play the Jags and Tits in the playoffs so it's kinda important what they do outside of those 2 teams. Yeah, you've got to win those games, and they did, but let's not act like the stat padding against the bottom feeders makes OB a coach of the year candidate.

And 24-10=14. Don't know what math you're using.

 

[Texansphan]

Curb is one of those words spelled very differently on opposite sides of the pond. Your spelling marks you as a Britisher.

Not even close, so no cigar.
Curb vs. kerb
In American and Canadian English, the noun meaning the edge of a sidewalk or roadway is spelled curb. In varieties of English from outside North America, the word is spelled kerb. But everyone uses curb for the verb meaning to check or restrain and for the verb’s corresponding noun (e.g., curbs on spending).
The underlined portions are my emphasis. I use two different spellings to distinguish the verb (curb) from the noun (kerb).

They don't play the Jags and Tits in the playoffs so it's kinda important what they do outside of those 2 teams. Yeah, you've got to win those games, and they did, but let's not act like the stat padding against the bottom feeders makes OB a coach of the year candidate.

And 24-10=14. Don't know what math you're using.

Okie I made the math mistake, however, I never said anything about OB needing to be a COTY candidate.
I would rather see how he goes when he can put it to any competition with capable QB play and flex his offensive muscle.

 

[Speedy]

I would rather see how he goes when he can put it to any competition with capable QB play and flex his offensive muscle.

Well, that's part of the problem with OB. He's the one that brought Fitz, Hoyer and Mallett in here. I'm not putting Brock on him, but if they hadn't gone after Brock, what were they going to do? Keep Hoyer, go with Weeden, re-sign Fitz, draft Hackenberg? I mean, he's part of the reason he doesn't have a capable QB to give himself a chance to "flex his offensive muscle".

 

[steelbtexan]

Well, that's part of the problem with OB. He's the one that brought Fitz, Hoyer and Mallett in here. I'm not putting Brock on him, but if they hadn't gone after Brock, what were they going to do? Keep Hoyer, go with Weeden, re-sign Fitz, draft Hackenberg? I mean, he's part of the reason he doesn't have a capable QB to give himself a chance to "flex his offensive muscle".

SAVAGE

 

[Texian]

14-19 against everyone not named Titans and Jaguars.

against teams that are .500 or better is a sad state of affairs.

 

[TheMatrix31]

I'm so sick of reading about Bill O'Brien and his ******* "system."

**** him AND his system. It's trash and he's trash.

 

[Scooter]

edit.

 

[bigmck]

And not saying this was the case, but if the Texans were so short sighted that Derek wasn't even on their board because of David, then you at least know why they're where they're at right now. More worried about PR than putting together a championship caliber football team.

I do believe that was the case.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

Well, that's part of the problem with OB. He's the one that brought Fitz, Hoyer and Mallett in here. I'm not putting Brock on him, but if they hadn't gone after Brock, what were they going to do? Keep Hoyer, go with Weeden, re-sign Fitz, draft Hackenberg? I mean, he's part of the reason he doesn't have a capable QB to give himself a chance to "flex his offensive muscle".

Maybe our scouting department would have done their homework on fourth-round pick, Dak Prescott. From what I understand he wasn't even on the Texans' radar or draft board going into that draft. Rick Smith basically said he wasn't even an option for us, but he's glad he's having so much success with the Dallas Cowboys as a rookie.

But to be fair we went into the last draft with three quarterbacks already signed and on our roster. It was unlikely we were going to draft a quarterback in that scenario. Especially after we had signed Brock Osweiler and re-signed Brandon Weeden.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

I'm so sick of reading about Bill O'Brien and his ******* "system."

**** him AND his system. It's trash and he's trash.

People said the same thing about Gary Kubiak during our 2-14 season back in 2013. But his system worked just fine last season as head coach for the Super Bowl champion Denver Broncos. Seems to me that our main problem as a franchise is at the top: Owner Bob McNair and general manager Rick Smith. Until that is fixed it doesn't matter whom our head coach is.