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All encompassing Bill O'Brien thread

I watch red zone. I see all these teams with very explosive high scoring offensives. Great running backs, great quarterback play, great tight ends and recievers. Then I watch our team and it is absolutely pathetic. All the money that has been spent, all the draft picks and trades over the last 3 years and yet this is the best we can do. A total and complete embarrassment. If we loose this prime time game in the same fashion as we lost the Thursday Night game, I want Obrien out of here!!! Now they are saying he is butting heads with our new veteran/rookie quarterback???!!!
 
I thought there was some very questionable BOB calls in this game that probably would have cost us the game against a better team:

2nd and 10, 5:37 remaining in the game, down by 14 – we run the ball out of bounce for a 1 yard gain. Why aren’t we passing the ball? Then we go to the line of scrimmage and are forced to take a time out to avoid a delay of game? Horrible game management – a wasted time out that was desperately needed at this stage of the game. You could say it was on Os, but BOB needs to have his qb coached up for these situations.

Overtime, we are penalized on the punt return because of 12 men on the field? If it was 4th and <5 to go (which it usually is) – we would have given them a first down at midfield. How the heck does this happen?

I'm not trying to be nit picky after a good win. I'm trying to see the big picture concerning how well we are coached to project how we might perform in close games down the road. Close games are won because of the small details that the bad teams don't do well -- BOB lucked out in that these mistakes didn't cost them the game and he needs to tighten his game up if we can expect to win games like this against better teams in the future.

Overall a much needed win and hopefully Os got some confidence back which will be needed at Denver.
 
To be honest coaching still scares the hell out of me. Clock management is *average* at BEST. Numerous times this year we have wasted timeouts and taken delay of games of lacked awareness in key situations. This can't happen later in the season/playoffs when it really matters.

I still HATE the draw play we run every time we are unsuccessful on first down/take a penalty/take a sack. It literally has been draw 75 percent of the time when we are coming off a negative play. Get your thumb out of your butt and play to win the game, please don't play not to lose.

We have got to start being the aggressor in these games. Tonight the Colts sat back and let us dictate and that is why the come from behind win. And it is why good teams handle us currently. Good teams/coaching dictate terms of the game. We are content to "adjust" to our competition. Attack their weakness over and over until the opponent adjusts. Stop sitting back and "taking" what we can get.

And after tonight I hope B.OB sees that a traditional offense can do some damage with the players we have. Run the ball from non shotgun formations, playaction to the TEs and slot WR crossing behind the attacking linebackers. DICTATE THE TERMS!!! Play your game and stop being cute.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Score a touchdown in the 2nd half of any of those games and I would agree with you.
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Moon was not a clutch QB, but I do vividly remember feeling like the Oilers would win every game in the regular season, year after year. We EXPECTED it as Oilers fans. I have yet to have those types of feelings and expectations with the Texans.
 
Double Barrel said:
Moon was not a clutch QB, but I do vividly remember feeling like the Oilers would win every game in the regular season, year after year. We EXPECTED it as Oilers fans. I have yet to have those types of feelings and expectations with the Texans.
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I probably would have fired O'Brien after last night's game based on just one offensive play call.
One of the worst I can remember.
We get the ball on our own 12 yard line and have 1st and 10.
O'Brien decides to put his struggling QB in an empty backfield set, and with no possible threat of a run, Indy's defense obviously knows the play will be a pass and the result is an interception.
Stupid stupid stupid position to put a QB when he has been playing so poorly up to that point.
Did I mention that it was stupid?
 
I say we bring back real Texan football. Lets go after Kyle Shanahan. Bring back the zone blocking scheme. Brock has experience in it. Change the D to a 4-3. Clowney goes back to his natural position. Watt can do any position. Merciless opposite clowney.
Anyway, I think Kyle is ready for the next step. When he was our offensive coordinator our offense was at its best in our history.
 
I have a name out there that will be on the HC market this season. It is a name that most of you won't like, but its . He'll get hired by someone next year for sure. I know people won't want him because he is another guy from NE and because of how he looked in Denver. I think Mcdaniels might do well the 2nd time around if he can find the right team.
 
Texecutioner said:
I have a name out there that will be on the HC market this season. It is a name that most of you won't like, but its . He'll get hired by someone next year for sure. I know people won't want him because he is another guy from NE and because of how he looked in Denver. I think Mcdaniels might do well the 2nd time around if he can find the right team.
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He's better suited as a coordinator. He's too proud/cocky to be a head coach at the moment, even after extra seasoning under Belichick. It may be the baby face, or knee jerk decisions, or just he is overly-charismatic, but he doesn't resonate with players as a disciplinarian. It is one reason Zimmer has done so well in Minnesota, he demands respect with an almost fatherly tone. McDaniels is the NFL version of Lane Kiffin, too brash for some players taste.
 
JWLCASPER said:
He's better suited as a coordinator. He's too proud/cocky to be a head coach at the moment, even after extra seasoning under Belichick. It may be the baby face, or knee jerk decisions, or just he is overly-charismatic, but he doesn't resonate with players as a disciplinarian. It is one reason Zimmer has done so well in Minnesota, he demands respect with an almost fatherly tone. McDaniels is the NFL version of Lane Kiffin, too brash for some players taste.
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As far as Patriots failures go, McDaniels is at the top of the list. He was just lucky enough to run back and hide under Belichick's skirt in hopes of another chance - which some sad team will give him because looky there he's awesome again as Belichick's flunky. When will the league realize that Belichick's coaches are nothing?

Zimmer should've been a head coach years ago. He has everything you want in a first time HC. Knowledge, experience, creativity and respect.
 
Texecutioner said:
I have a name out there that will be on the HC market this season. It is a name that most of you won't like, but its . He'll get hired by someone next year for sure. I know people won't want him because he is another guy from NE and because of how he looked in Denver. I think Mcdaniels might do well the 2nd time around if he can find the right team.
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I've got nothing against McDaniels.

I'm a little worried he'll end up in Jacksonville. I think he would have done better in Denver if he had the front office Kubiak has now. Like Kubiak, I think his role needs to be limited to coaching. Let the front office be ran by the front office. Let him have his input & influence, but his primary responsibility should be coaching.
 
guichows6 said:
I say we bring back real Texan football. Lets go after Kyle Shanahan. Bring back the zone blocking scheme. Brock has experience in it. Change the D to a 4-3. Clowney goes back to his natural position. Watt can do any position. Merciless opposite clowney.
Anyway, I think Kyle is ready for the next step. When he was our offensive coordinator our offense was at its best in our history.
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I was just thinking about this last night why not bring Kyle Shanahan back he's ready
 
It's gonna be hard to recover from the salary cap wreckage Bill O'Brien and Rick Smith have wrought.

We're bottom 10 in cap space until 2020 and almost no flexibility for next year.

This is your team for the foreseeable future!

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/
 
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Bill O'Brien if you don't get your act together soon

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TheKDog said:
It's gonna be hard to recover from the salary cap wreckage Bill O'Brien and Rick Smith have wrought.

We're bottom 10 in cap space until 2020 and almost no flexibility for next year.

This is your team for the foreseeable future!

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/
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That's with Brock Osweiler taking a $20M cap hit. If he's proven to be a franchise QB by that time, it don't really matter what the cap space looks like. If he hasn't, that adds $20M to our free cap space, because he'll be gone. Or at least should be. That would put us in the middle of the pack.
 
TheKDog said:
It's gonna be hard to recover from the salary cap wreckage Bill O'Brien and Rick Smith have wrought.

We're bottom 10 in cap space until 2020 and almost no flexibility for next year.

This is your team for the foreseeable future!

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/
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Then it really is time to draft a bunch of stud OL.

Fix the OL and this will also help keep the defense fresh. (See the Cowgirls)
 
Tom Landry started coaching in 1960 and in consecutive years went 0-11, 4-9, 5-8, 4-10, 5-8, 7-7. That kind of patience with your coach doesn't exist in the NFL anymore. I'm not as familiar w/ the McNair's as many of you and am curious to hear your thoughts. If we end up 8-8, does he keep BOB around? If he does and we're 8-8 again next year, does he still keep him around?
 
Max said:
Tom Landry started coaching in 1960 and in consecutive years went 0-11, 4-9, 5-8, 4-10, 5-8, 7-7. That kind of patience with your coach doesn't exist in the NFL anymore. I'm not as familiar w/ the McNair's as many of you and am curious to hear your thoughts. If we end up 8-8, does he keep BOB around? If he does and we're 8-8 again next year, does he still keep him around?
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Those are some hard questions to answer. Mainly because we really don't know McNair's mindset at this point.

Don Capers only got 4 years. Understandable , we were bad (18-46 record)

Kubiak was here for 8 seasons. We had some success but once the doors blew off the hinges, out the backdoor Kubiak went. Especially when he defied the owner by putting Pick 6 master back in the game.

So I believe O'Brien will have to go against the owners request or his teams will have to stank up the joint for him to get fired. Remember after that horrendous start last season Mr. McNair said that's enough, if changes aren't made, heads will start rolling. Paraphrasing of course.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
So I believe O'Brien will have to go against the owners request or his teams will have to stank up the joint for him to get fired. Remember after that horrendous start last season Mr. McNair said that's enough, if changes aren't made, heads will start rolling. Paraphrasing of course.
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As long as McNair thinks O'b can take us to that next step, he'll be here. As soon as McNair believe's we've gone as far as Bill can take us, he'll be sent on his way.

If O'b answers McNair's questions with that same, "I don't know." quip he gives reporters, O'b may be on his way out, but I don't think we're close to that yet.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's with Brock Osweiler taking a $20M cap hit. If he's proven to be a franchise QB by that time, it don't really matter what the cap space looks like. If he hasn't, that adds $20M to our free cap space, because he'll be gone. Or at least should be. That would put us in the middle of the pack.
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True good point. I think he still takes a $6m cap hit the year after we cut him, but still opens a lot
 
guichows6 said:
I say we bring back real Texan football. Lets go after Kyle Shanahan. Bring back the zone blocking scheme. Brock has experience in it. Change the D to a 4-3. Clowney goes back to his natural position. Watt can do any position. Merciless opposite clowney.
Anyway, I think Kyle is ready for the next step. When he was our offensive coordinator our offense was at its best in our history.
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Sign me up for this. Kyle's offense in Atlanta lights up the scoreboard. I think he is definitely the next up and coming head coach. If we can't pry a proven winner like John Harbaugh, that is the guy I want.
 
TexansFight said:
Sign me up for this. Kyle's offense in Atlanta lights up the scoreboard. I think he is definitely the next up and coming head coach. If we can't pry a proven winner like John Harbaugh, that is the guy I want.
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You're the worst kind of fan. Basically you'll sign up for anyone the Texans don't currently actually have on the team or part of the coaching staff at the moment.
 
Mr teX said:
You're the worst kind of fan. Basically you'll sign up for anyone the Texans don't currently actually have on the team or part of the coaching staff at the moment.
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The Texans are a loser franchise. I want a winner. I don't care who or what gets us there. What on earth have Rick Smith, Bill O'Brien and Brock Osweiler have done to gain anyone's support much less adoration. All of them deserve to be raked over the coals and skewered mercilessly for the crap product we have on the field. This team is light years away from being a real contender.
 
TexansFight said:
The Texans are a loser franchise. I want a winner. I don't care who or what gets us there. What on earth have Rick Smith, Bill O'Brien and Brock Osweiler have done to gain anyone's support much less adoration. All of them deserve to be raked over the coals and skewered mercilessly for the crap product we have on the field. This team is light years away from being a real contender.
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You should b!tch some more, McNair is on here listening.

You should've been a Patriots fan, still can be.

Although I'm still hoping for years of desolation from that franchise after Belichick and Brady leave.

We all have our dreams.
 
Max said:
Tom Landry started coaching in 1960 and in consecutive years went 0-11, 4-9, 5-8, 4-10, 5-8, 7-7. That kind of patience with your coach doesn't exist in the NFL anymore. I'm not as familiar w/ the McNair's as many of you and am curious to hear your thoughts. If we end up 8-8, does he keep BOB around? If he does and we're 8-8 again next year, does he still keep him around?
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McNair has created a dumpster fire with his desperation rush to judgement to sign Osweiler. IMO I think McNair knows he has now created a fluster cluck and bailing out now would only makes things worse. Therefore I thinks he keeps O'Brien thru 2017 when he can get rid of O'Brien and Osweiler both and start all over again (and this time MAYBE Smith gets reassigned). I'd be surprised if OB was fired now. As for O'Brien, the handwriting is on the wall, he continually makes poor decisions, constantly is out coached by more seasoned coaches and lacks the patience to be a head coach. I think McNair has figured this out also. That light bulb has illuminated.

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Max said:
9-7, 9-7, 4-3 so far under BoB. I would have thought we would have had to have lost more games than we won to be a loser but what do I know.
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9-7 going to the playoffs with an up and coming team that wins a playoff game is a lot different than a 9-7 team that got blown out 30-0 at home and signed the worst starting QB in the league to a $72 million contract. Excuse me for calling garbage for what it is.
 
TexansFight said:
9-7 going to the playoffs with an up and coming team that wins a playoff game is a lot different than a 9-7 team that got blown out 30-0 at home and signed the worst starting QB in the league to a $72 million contract. Excuse me for calling garbage for what it is.
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20 teams had the same record or worse than the Texans last year -- all garbage I guess. Is there a distinction between the 11 garbage teams that were 6-10 or worse and the Texans. Maybe super garbage? I'm just trying to get my bearings w/ your pejoratives.
 
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DBCooper said:
You should b!tch some more, McNair is on here listening.

You should've been a Patriots fan, still can be.

Although I'm still hoping for years of desolation from that franchise after Belichick and Brady leave.

We all have our dreams.
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What do the Patriots have to do with this discussion?

Why all of the BB/Brady hate? You hate excellence?
 
I'm no Obrien apologist .... BUT I'm going to defend him here.


Its not his fault that his quarterback is highly inaccurate. If that guy could put a ball where it needs to be rather than anywhere but ... this team probably plays a lot better.
For the most part he makes the right reads ... he just isn't anything resembling accurate. Maybe he gets better with time .... we'll have the rest of this season and all of next at the least to find out.

I place the blame squarely on Rick Smith. We should have never been in that situation ,they had several seasons to draft capable quarterbacks including in the last draft and just didn't pull the trigger.

And the defense would look a lot fvcking better if JJ wasn't sitting on the sidelines or making commercials .... That one I blame on the Texans medical staff , they suck now and have sucked for years. Kinda strange when the team is based in a city with the best doctors in the world.
 
steelbtexan said:
Most overrated QB in NFL history. Never even reached an AFC championship game. Had the Buffalo debacle. The offense lead by Moon had leads in the last 3 playoff game losses he played in. Loss Denver/Loss Buffalo/Loss/K.C. the offense had trouble scoring points in the 2nd halves of playoff games.

Great regular season QB though.
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Moon gives the team a 28 pt lead and the defense can't hold it.
You blame the QB.
Seriously??
 
Ooookay. I'm not one to give up on a coach/player so quickly. It takes alot over a long period of time for me to want someone gone. But I'm now done with Bill O Brien and Brock Osweiler.

OB first. I actually like him as a coach, at least for everything except his offensive scheme and game management. This offensive scheme needs too many things to go right in order to complete a pass. The WR has to read the defense correctly and make the right cut. The QB has to read the defense correctly and throw the right spot. The QB has to anticipate the cut and throw the ball early (Brocks biggest problem besides accuracy). And finally the WR has to make the catch. Way too many variables, and probably only 1 out of 50 QBs can do this on a consistent basis.
What sucks is I like our defense, and I like our STs. I really don't want to blow up those parts of the team. But I just don't see this offense going where we need it unless we get extremely lucky at QB. I know RC has a bad history as Head Coach, but I don't see how we keep him and this defense unless we make this move (Vrabel can move up to DC). We'd need to hand the offense completely over to a new OC if this happened.

Brock Osweiler. I was fully prepared to give the guy 2 years. But not after that nice soft floater to the defense for the easiest INT I have ever seen in my life. Maybe the guy just needs a simpler offensive scheme, because he hesitates and waits too long like he's afraid to make a decision before the WR cuts (this also attributes to him staring down WRs). I also think that's why he fires rockets on short distance passes, because he waiting to see where the WR cuts instead of anticipating, so he tries to get the ball to the spot as fast as possible.
 
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