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CloakNNNdagger said:
He was only 32 and left behind a wife and 2 kids. RIP, Quentin.
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Hey Doc, I went over to the Jags message board and they're saying he suffered from some medical condition (didn't say what it was)..do you know anything about that?

Very sad story though.. apparently he was with his wife in Trinidad celebrating his duaghter's birthday. Sad RIP
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
He was only 32 and left behind a wife and 2 kids. RIP, Quentin.
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Carr Bombed said:
Hey Doc, I went over to the Jags message board and they're saying he suffered from some medical condition (didn't say what it was)..do you know anything about that?

Very sad story though.. apparently he was with his wife in Trinidad celebrating his duaghter's birthday. Sad RIP
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I found it on Wikipedia..



Heart surgery
While undergoing medical tests at the NFL Combine, Groves was discovered to have Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome, which results in him having a rapid heartbeat because of electrical impulses in the heart taking extra pathways. Groves told the media, "It's an extra circuit in the heart, and it speeds up your heartbeat, it's nothing too critical, but you have to take care of it."

Often this condition can be treated with medication, however, not in all cases. Groves elected to have a surgical procedure called ablation, which is described as "minor". After the procedure Groves sent a letter to all NFL teams informing them that he was able to play, according to his doctors. "Some teams had questions so that's when my agent said to get it fixed," Groves said. "The letter said that the doctors said I was 100% healed, and I'm good.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Groves

Apparently he wasn't 100% healed or good.. do you know anything about this condition or the surgical procedure he had to correct it Doc? I don't really understand how any heart surgery can be described as "minor"? I mean.. it's HEART surgery.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
I found it on Wikipedia..




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Groves

Apparently he wasn't 100% healed or good.. do you know anything about this condition or the surgical procedure he had to correct it Doc? I don't really understand how any heart surgery can be described as "minor"? I mean.. it's HEART surgery.
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In my cardiovascular experience, I've treated quite a few of these patients. Normally, there is only one neural pathway that regulates the heart beat. In WPW (Wolff-Parkinson-White Syndrome) patients, there is an extra electrical path that actually creates a problem with making the heart beat intermittently irregular...........a conflict of these two pathways creating various problems from not feeling well to extreme anxiety to extremely rapid heart beat to heart failure and/or cardiac arrest. An ablation entails threading a catheter through a vein into the heart (not open heart surgery) and finding and "burning"/destroying the source of the abnormal pathway. A successful ablation will allow the patient to go on to have a perfectly normal life.

WPW is a congenital not hereditary condition. However, it may be associated with several hereditary cardiac anatomical and medical metabolic conditions. The anatomic cardiac abnormality and all but one metabolic abnormality that I can think of would have been clearly evident at the time of his WPW evaluation and would have precluded going on with his career. His ablation was performed in 2008 and was apparently entirely successful, as his career proceeded through 2014 without apparent problems. However, the one associated condition that would have set him up for a cardiac arrest is a condition called Pompe Disease, a disorder characterized by the buildup / storage of a complex sugar called glycogen. Pompe Disease is usually one of infants or youngsters, the late onset adult form (which is usually milder than the infantile form) if not diagnosed and treated in a timely fashion will lead to progressive muscle weakness, affecting the diaphragm muscle causing respiratory failure and secondary cardiac failure/arrest since not enough oxygen is delivered to the heart muscle.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
In my cardiovascular experience, I've treated quite a few of these patients. Normally, there is only one neural pathway that regulates the heart beat. In WPW (Wolff-Parkinson-White Syndrome) patients, there is an extra electrical path that actually creates a problem with making the heart beat intermittently irregular...........a conflict of these two pathways creating various problems from not feeling well to extreme anxiety to extremely rapid heart beat to heart failure and/or cardiac arrest. An ablation entails threading a catheter through a vein into the heart (not open heart surgery) and finding and "burning"/destroying the source of the abnormal pathway. A successful ablation will allow the patient to go on to have a perfectly normal life.

WPW is a congenital not hereditary condition. However, it may be associated with several hereditary cardiac anatomical and medical metabolic conditions. The anatomic cardiac abnormality and all but one metabolic abnormality that I can think of would have been clearly evident at the time of his WPW evaluation and would have precluded going on with his career. His ablation was performed in 2008 and was apparently entirely successful, as his career proceeded through 2014 without apparent problems. However, the one associated condition that would have set him up for a cardiac arrest is a condition called Pompe Disease, a disorder characterized by the buildup / storage of a complex sugar called glycogen. Pompe Disease is usually one of infants or youngsters, the late onset adult form (which is usually milder than the infantile form) if not diagnosed and treated in a timely fashion will lead to progressive muscle weakness, affecting the diaphragm muscle causing respiratory failure and secondary cardiac failure/arrest since not enough oxygen is delivered to the heart muscle.
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Thanks, as a cancer survivor I just wanted to let you know what you bring to this board is invaluable, **** the haters for not liking you telling it like it is (truth/bad news/reality).. I like your perspective/insight and appreciate it, just whish you were on the medical staff, because they suck
 
Big Ben has a torn meniscus. Missed a series, played 2nd half. Surgery scheduled for today.

Source: Ben Roethlisberger will undergo surgery on torn left meniscus; timetable uncertain
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...go-surgery-torn-left-meniscus-table-uncertain

The source said doctors expect the procedure on Roethlisberger's knee to be a "cleanup," not a full repair of the meniscus, and this generally favors a quicker recovery.

The Steelers won't know how long Roethlisberger will be sidelined until after the surgery, but he will definitely miss at least next Sunday's game against the New England Patriots, according to the source.
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DBCooper said:
The Cowboys should start Dak the rest of the next 10 years.

Are ya listening Jerrah?
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He's going to hit the rookie wall.

Garrett has to be able to see when that is, bench him & get Romo back in the game. Romo will probably get hurt before the playoffs, or maybe in the playoffs. Then Dak gets put back in & start his amazing season over.

Basically I'm saying there will come a time this season where Dak is going to need a break. Best thing for the Cowboys will be for Garrett to give him that break, instead of forcing him to play through it.
 
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thunderkyss said:
He's going to hit the rookie wall.

Garrett had to be able to see when that is, bench him & get Romo back in the game. Romo will probably get hurt before the playoffs, or maybe in the playoffs. Then Dak gets put back in & start his amazing season over.

Basically I'm saying there will come a time this season where Dak is going to need a break. Best thing for the Cowboys will be for Garrett to give him that break, instead of forcing him to play through it.
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When you're rollin, keep on rollin!
 
30. Chicago Bears
2016 record: 1-5
Week 6 ranking: 28
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Zero: Probably nobody is paying attention to what the Bears are doing after their 1-5 start, but Brian Hoyer has yet to throw an interception since taking over for Jay Cutler. His 189 passes are the most in the NFL without a pick this season.
 
Poyer released from hospital, isn’t pleased that Andrews celebrated vicious hit online
Posted by Zac Jackson on October 18, 2016, 8:26 PM EDT

Browns safety Jordan Poyer has been released from a Nashville hospital and was on his way home Tuesday after suffering a lacerated kidney from a big hit by Titans running back Antonio Andrews.

Andrews posted video of the play on his Instagram account, and Poyer took to his own social media account Tuesday to show his displeasure with the post, writing that it was “wild” to him that Andrews seemed to be celebrating a play on which Poyer was seriously injured.

Andrews tagged his video, “Relentless.” Poyer wrote that he wasn’t complaining about the hit but seemed surprised that Andrews posted about it.

Andrews was flagged 15 yards for an illegal blindside block. Titans Coach Mike Mularkey told reporters he thought Andrews delivered a clean hit and did not intend to injure Poyer.

The Browns placed Poyer on injured reserve Tuesday, the same day he was sent home after being hospitalized for two nights. Poyer tweeted that he wasn’t medically cleared to fly and had to make an eight-hour drive back to Cleveland. LINK



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We're going to face this piece of............work.................soon.
 
The usual "faces of the NFL" aren't doing so hot.
Rodgers is having performance issues (I mean on the football field).
Brees is putting up numbers but the Saints suck as do Luck's Colts.
OBJr is talented but mentally unstable.
Brady just got out of Goodell jail.
Watt is down for the year.
And Thursday night games have mainly been dogs.

Goodell must be having headaches.
 
ObsiWan said:
The usual "faces of the NFL" aren't doing so hot.
Rodgers is having performance issues (I mean on the football field).
Brees is putting up numbers but the Saints suck as do Luck's Colts.
OBJr is talented but mentally unstable.
Brady just got out of Goodell jail.
Watt is down for the year.
And Thursday night games have mainly been dogs.

Goodell must be having headaches.
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And McDonough (ESPN) called out the officiating on Monday night football as the reason the NFL has become "unwatchable" this year.
 
Last night, Kyle Long suffered what seems to be a serious arm injury. He suffered a left shoulder labrum injury in preseason (aug 18) which he has been trying to play through until the end of the season when he planned to undergo repair. His recent injury has not been identified in reports as to exact nature or side. But, if it is on the left, it can only hasten the decision to proceed with the left labrum repair...............and, if it is the right side, he will be left even more "impotent" on the field.

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Bears right guard Kyle Long says arm injury is significant

Dan Wiederer Chicago Tribune


Chicago Bears guard Kyle Long had a blunt description for the injury that chased him from Thursday night’s 26-10 loss to the Green Bay Packers at Lambeau Field.

“I (expletive) my arm up pretty good,” Long said. “I was ready if need be for an emergency situation. But we were just trying to be careful. … My arm’s (expletive) up. It’s just a tough spot to be in.”

Long, who has been battling a labrum injury in his left shoulder all season, injured one of his arms, he said, some time in the first quarter against the Packers. He came out of the game late in the first half and was unable to return in the second half, replaced up front by Ted Larsen.

Long couldn’t detail the severity of the setback or how long it might keep him out.

“I don’t stay out,” he said. “So we’ll see.”
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
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Gruden telling an incomplete story. This chronic recurrence of his Achilles tendon problem is classic for Achilles tendinosis...........the result of overuse creating a degeneration (not necessarily a structural disruption) of the tendon structure which is a part of a prodome commonly experienced prior to an overt rupture of the Achilles tendon.
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Now this condition has embedded itself in both Achilles tendon.

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Redskins remain perplexed by Josh Doctson and the pain in both Achilles’ tendons


By Mike Jones October 20 at 5:24 PM


The Washington Redskins had just picked up their fourth victory in as many weeks, and the same amount of time had passed since first-round pick Josh Doctson had set foot on the field. A reporter asked Coach Jay Gruden on Monday whether he thought the wide receiver might return this week.

Without hesitation, Gruden offered a definitive “no.”

It’s a weekly question at Redskins Park and has been since the spring, when the wideout strained his left Achilles’ tendon during rookie minicamp and lasted one full-squad practice before he missed the rest of the offseason, training camp and the preseason.

The Redskins have become even more perplexed by the rookie’s health. Rest and treatment aren’t helping the debilitating pain in his left leg go away. And people familiar with the situation say that as of late, Doctson’s right Achilles’ tendon has started bothering him significantly as well, and no one knows why.

Tests and scans conducted by multiple doctors haven’t turned up even microtears in either of the Achilles’ tendons. The lack of any evident structural damage is among the reasons why the Redskins decided not to place Doctson on the physically-unable-to-perform list to start the regular season, a move that would have kept him out at least six weeks. And it’s why team officials hesitate about putting him on the injured reserve list, which could end his season. But uncertainty remains about the course of action beyond getting Doctson off his feet and revisiting the situation in a few weeks.

Doctson mysteriously began feeling pain early in the offseason following the draft, and rest and treatment haven’t helped. Team doctors remain baffled, and officials aren’t sure whether to end his season or not.

“You know, it’s important for him to get well, and I think he understands that,” Gruden said Wednesday. “I think there’s a bigger picture here with Josh, and the bigger picture is ‘Let’s get him well, 100 percent. Figure out how.’ And if it’s immobilizing him for a little bit of time, maybe that’ll give him some relief to get to the bottom of this, then so be it, let’s do it. So we’ll have to wait and see what we’re going to do with him from a long-term perspective, but short term, let him get off of it for a while and see where that takes us.”

Gruden’s blunt assessments were a change from the routine, holding-out-hope answers the coach often has given.

Doctson hasn’t put on a uniform since Week 2, when he played 19 snaps and made one catch — a 57-yarder — on five targets against the Cowboys. He played in that game and the regular season opener against Pittsburgh despite admitting he didn’t feel 100 percent healthy.

Then in Week 3, pain kept Doctson from pushing off during pregame warmups, and he’s been held out ever since.

The injury has baffled team doctors, trainers and coaches, and independent specialists.

Doctson in the spring attributed it to training too hard for the NFL combine and draft. But time and rest haven’t helped his condition improve.

The Redskins had hoped that a few weeks of rest and treatment would correct the flare-up from Week 3. But Gruden revealed Monday that Doctson wasn’t close to returning, and team officials have begun wrestling with the decision of whether to place their top rookie acquisition on season-ending injured reserve.

Doctson’s treatment in recent weeks has included electric shock therapy, the player revealed earlier this month. And a person familiar with the situation also said Doctson has begun receiving platelet-rich plasma treatments.

The latest reports on Doctson’s condition coincide with Week 7, the first possible week in which the wide receiver would have been able to practice if he had been placed on the PUP list. It’s impossible to avoid the “What if?”

Late in the preseason, with Doctson still sidelined, team officials contemplated placing him on the PUP list to open the regular season but then decided against it and got Doctson ready to play in the season opener.

Asked Wednesday whether the Redskins had any regret over not just placing Doctson on the PUP list to start with, and what went into the decision not to do so, Gruden gave a long explanation.

“Well, he was a first-round draft pick, and he’s very talented, number one,” the coach began. “Number two, we wouldn’t have activated him if we didn’t think he was good enough to play or healthy enough to play and I think he felt good enough at that time where he could maybe fight through it, fight through some of the issues that he was having.

“After thinking about it, maybe we should have shut him down sooner. But being that we had the MRIs and the X-rays and we really didn’t have any physical evidence or any evidence to say this is going to do more damage to your Achilles’, we tried to see if he could fight through it or maybe it was going to get better.

“We just didn’t know. We still don’t know. But we’re going to rest him for a little while, and hopefully that’ll help.”

Doctson didn’t watch his teammates practice Wednesday or Thursday as he often does, and he didn’t hang out in the locker room during the 45-minute post-practice period open to reporters.

But in an interview with The Post two weeks ago, he said, “I’m gonna stay out ’til I feel like my body is ready to get back in there 100 percent. This last time I jumped in there, I was probably 70, 75. That was my decision [to play against Dallas]. It was a rookie mistake, so I learned from that.”

Learning when to play through pain and when to rest takes time, and it often comes through trial and error, Redskins veterans say.

“You learn the longer time you spend in the league,” fellow wide receiver Pierre Garcon said. “You see guys that play for 13 years or guys that play for five years. You see how they take care of their bodies and learn what they do to play for a long time. At the end of the day, you have to get healthy and stay healthy. If your body makes any kind of little sound, you’ve got to jump on top of it before it gets worse.

“It sucks not being out there,” Garcon continued. “I’m sure he had a lot of high anticipation going into this year, but setbacks happen. . . . He doesn’t talk much about it. He’s a quiet guy. It sucks. He wants to be out on the field. We want to see him out there as well. But it’s part of the game.”


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When the tendon is simply inflamed and not severely damaged, the problem may or may not be visible on MRI. It depends upon the severity of the condition. The bilaterality of his problem makes me concerned beyond concerns of Doctson's athletic activities and ability to perform.....................it brings the concern to a higher level that I am not sure his doctors are entertaining............especially in light of not only the continuance, but also the progression of his condition during intensive rehab therapy............that is the potential for the association with an underlying autoimmune disease. I've already come across 2 such cases in my career.


Disabil Rehabil. 2008;30(20-22):1646-50. doi: 10.1080/09638280701785882.
Achilles tendon problems: not just an orthopaedic issue.
Ames PR1, Longo UG, Denaro V, Maffulli N.
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Abstract
PURPOSE:
To review the current concepts on Achilles tendon involvement in various pathological conditions.

METHOD:
A literature search was conducted to trace relevant literature on Achilles tendon problems in general pathologies.

RESULTS:
The Achilles tendon can be involved in inflammatory and autoimmune conditions, genetically determined collagen abnormalities, infectious diseases, tumours, and neurological conditions which are not of a primary surgical nature.

CONCLUSIONS:
Although Achilles tendon problems are classically considered frequent in active individuals from overuse or a single acute episode, problems in the Achilles tendon can be a consequence of several conditions.
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ESPN article summing up Ryan Grigson's ineptitude as Colts GM and highlighting the idiocy of his statement that Luck's contract is the reason the rest of the team sucks.

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Re. Achilles Tendinopathy, there has been an underlying cause for which the FDA has presented bulletins to alert physicians. This is the original warning submitted in 2008:

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FDA Warning: Cipro May Rupture Tendons

Agency Issues 'Black Box' Warning for Antibiotics Known as Fluroquinolones




July 8, 2008 -- Federal regulators are ordering new warnings on Cipro and similar antibioticsbecause of increased risk of tendinitis and tendon rupture.

The new warnings apply to fluoroquinolones, a class of antibiotics that includes the popular drug Cipro. The FDA has told companies that the drugs must now carry "black box" warnings alerting doctors and patients that the drugs can increase risk of tendinitis and tendon rupture in some patients.

Fluoroquinolones have carried similar warnings for years, but officials say they continue to receive reports of safety problems. A "black box" warning is the FDA's sternest warning.

"We have seen continuing reports of tendon rupture so we are trying to increase awareness," says Edward Cox, MD, director of the FDA's Office of Antimicrobial Products.

The warning applies to drugs of the fluoroquinolone class, including Cipro, Cipro XR, Proquin XR, Levaquin, Floxin, Noroxin, Avelox, Factive, and marketed generics.

Renata Albrecht, MD, who heads the FDA's Division of Special Pathogen and Transplant Products, estimates that spontaneous ruptures occur in about one in 100,000 people. The agency says taking the drugs appears to triple or quadruple the risk.

Most of the tendinitis and tendon ruptures affect the Achilles tendon, behind the ankle. But the agency has also received reports of tendinitis and ruptures in the shoulder and hand. Tendons connect muscle to bone.

Officials also say they are adding new warnings cautioning that patients over 60, those taking corticosteroids, and those who've undergone heart, lung, or kidney transplants are also at increased risk of tendon rupture or tendinitis if they take fluoroquinolones.

Researchers don't know exactly what fluoroquinolones do that promotes tendon rupturing. Theories suggest the drug may impede collagen formation or interrupt blood supply in joints, Albrecht says.

She says patients taking the drugs should tell their doctors immediately if they experience soreness or inflammation in muscles or tendons and that they should not exercise affected joints.

A consumer watchdog group sued the FDA in January asking for the new warnings. The agency has received more than 400 reports of tendon ruptures in fluoroquinolone patients since 1997, according to Public Citizen's Health Research Group, which filed the suit.

FDA officials would not confirm the number of reports of ruptures it has received, citing the ongoing litigation.

"There are several hundred, I would say," says Ann McMahon, MD, acting director of FDA's Division of Adverse Event Analysis II.

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Since this FDA bulletin, there have been several thousand reports.

This is a recent article concerning the association and is geared towards the athlete that some may find worth reading, somewhat technical, but not so much so that most can't take away the important points. For treatment to be successful, one of the main points is that this drug-induced tendinopathy in athletes must be treated in an approach that is not classic for the condition .:

J Athl Train. 2014 May-Jun; 49(3): 422–427.
doi: 10.4085/1062-6050-49.2.09
PMCID: PMC4080593
Fluoroquinolones and Tendinopathy: A Guide for Athletes and Sports Clinicians and a Systematic Review of the Literature
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VERY good read. I like Richard Sherman. I know some do not, but I do. He may act and look a certain way but he is a very educated man. I wonder how much he'll be fined for this OP piece.

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/richard-sherman-nfl-celebrations-personal-conduct-policy/
Common Sense
by Richard Sherman

Welcome to Tuesdays with Richard on Thursdays, a weekly multimedia series featuring Seahawks All-Pro cornerback Richard Sherman. Throughout the 2016 season, Richard will provide a unique and intimate glance at his life behind-the-scenes and on the field, and share his thoughts on current issues around the league.

Did you see what Andrew Hawkins did after he scored against the Patriots recently? It was one of the best post-touchdown moves I’ve seen in awhile. He caught a pass in the corner of the end zone to tie the game, and then promptly placed the ball on the ground, stood up straight like a soldier and marched away like a robot.

I don’t mean he celebrated by doing the robot dance — he literally just walked away, like a robot.

I thought it was hilarious because, as the saying goes, In jest, there is truth.

This is what the NFL wants, right? It wants players who score a touchdown to hand the ball to the official and walk away. To act like they’ve been there before.

Which is really just another example of the inconsistency — and to a degree, the hypocrisy — of the NFL.

Antonio Brown can’t twerk after a touchdown because it’s “sexually suggestive.” But every Sunday, on most sidelines, there are rows of cheerleaders doing the same types of moves to entertain the crowd.

The NFL doesn’t want players to do anything that might set a bad example for the kids in its audience — such as showboat, or celebrate excessively — yet it features beer ads in all of its stadiums and in almost every commercial break. Josh Norman can’t shoot an imaginary bow and arrow after a big pick because the NFL says that it depicts a “violent act.” Meanwhile, the name of the team he plays for depicts Native Americans in a way that many people consider offensive.
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PapaL said:
VERY good read. I like Richard Sherman. I know some do not, but I do. He may act and look a certain way but he is a very educated man. I wonder how much he'll be fined for this OP piece.

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/richard-sherman-nfl-celebrations-personal-conduct-policy/
Common Sense
by Richard Sherman
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Sorry, I like Sherman & actually thought more of him before reading that piece. it's lazy journalism to me.

the nfl doesn't want their players to act like robots. for every flagged celebration there are a dozen that are not, in fact I would think something like the Lambeau leap is encouraged. nobody says anything about Superman giving every football of every TD he throws to a fan... home, or away. Namaste? no problem.

yes, they have standards. standards are usually a good thing. especially in a world where standards are consistently slipping lower & lower.

Sorry, I don't want to see Antonio Brown twerk. I thought it was funny as hell, I laughed... but I'd tell the parent of the kid who does that on Friday night, "that's out of line."

shooting the bow & arrow... yeah, I'd like an intelligent conversation to move the line between what is acceptable & what is not... deflecting to some PC bullsht isn't the way to get that conversation started.

I think Richard Sherman is smart. this article does not support that belief.
 
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Why are you posting pics of cheerleaders? are you arguing there's a double standard? that the NFL are hypocrites?

I agree.
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Yes, I'm agreeing with Sherman's argument.

Suppose we (you and I) just differ in that I don't care if there are sexually suggestive cheerleaders or players celebrating in a similar silly way. But ultimately if there can be one then there should be the other, that's all.
 
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