Jimmy G is different, he actually reminds me of Romo with his quick release.
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Trade Hopkins and 2nd rounder for Jimmy G
- Thread starter Supertoad
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Jimmy G is different, he actually reminds me of Romo with his quick release.
Jimmy G is different, he actually reminds me of Romo with his quick release.
I'm not prepared to give that up... yet
fiasco west
All Pro
I said they have a history of one year rentals. They certainly on top of that have a history of taken risks when it comes to if the the player is talented or not.
The do not have a history of trading "Known" (how is he known? He played two games and a half? That's known?) for a prime superstar rental because no team in their right mind is making that trade in the first place. Texans seem to be the only team though that has fallen in love with backup retread QBs though. I know the guy has skill but we are talking about a QB that's played 2 games. Matt Cassel played most of the season IIRC and our own Osweiler proved more to the NFL than he did. Enough about the pats...why do we do this trade?
If i'm the Texans I target a QB in the draft next year if Osweiler hasn't turned it around. At least put some pressure on him. They should be drafting QBs until they find the guy. I don't understand how this team continues to just think that any old backup QB will be good enough to win. It's like our history is focus on the d-line, put all the chips there and hope the defense is great enough so an average QB will be good enough. Sad thing is this team has never really had that great great defense. That defense that wins games 6-0 defense. What the Vikings have now...
Max
Veteran
If I'm understanding this correct, trade one of the league' best wr's to a team that has a history of making average qb's look great (Matt Cassel anyone?) so that we don't take a hit on the salary cap for a proven commodity (Hop), for a qb that we know less about than we knew about Brock and very well may be another Brock on our team and in the process taking a hit on the salary cap by eating Brock's contract and hamstringing our efforts to build the team in other areas of need such as OT, LB and DE. I feel like I'm on candid camera -- am I missing something?
Jimmy G isn't some old backup QB. If he was coming out in this draft, he would be my #1 QB in this draft.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
At least this is a better idea than the "trade for Romo" craziness
- He's likely pretty known to them. I can't assume they don't like him.
- Why bother ... I never said we should do it and I don't think they'd do it do begin with.
Romo'd look a helluva lot better than what we've been seeing
driller80545
Noob
Johnny Manzeil is just the kinda crazy this team needs to fire it up. And you can't deny that we need a scrambling gunslinger. lol
I need some
I sure hope that's drugs talking... but I ain't ever had any that twisted
I sure hope that's drugs talking... but I ain't ever had any that twisted
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
We're all hoping this sarcasm. The odds manziel ever sees the field as a QB in the NFL are about as slim as john elway offering von miller in a straight up trade for Brock osweiler.
driller80545
Noob
Sarcasm? Sure it is. Be more entertaining than the giraffe though.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Hell having lechler play QB would be more entertaining than watching Brockamole. He is a 2 year albatross.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
After watching Brock's full presser yesterday I'm definitely still cheering for him. He'll bounce back. I love his positive attitude and at least he's willing to work hard to improve. This is still a first place team with playoff aspirations. We must move on. I wouldn't be shocked if Brock Osweiler has a huge game against the Lions on Sunday.
Supertoad
Rookie
The sad thing is a huge game for Brock would be him just not turning the ball over for once.... it could.happen.
Osweiler can really use an off-season to work on his throwing mechanics.
I just hate the freaking wait; and there's no telling how much he can improve on that.
Wasted time.
A draft pick can be waited.
The Texans are just meandering in Mediocre land.
I think Brock is a two year experiment for this franchise.
Hopefully they learn something from this one...
IKR, but if the rest of the team would get it's share of the scrutiny, it would be apparent that Os hasn't been alone in the suckitude.
Man, I hope so, too. But for whatever reason(s), this owner/FO seem averse to developing a QB through the draft.
It's bizarre, tbh, because the majority of your SB winning QBs were drafted by the team they took to the championship game. The are a couple of recent ones that I can recall that didn't draft like Denver with Manning and New Orleans with Brees. And I guess go back far enough and you can get Kurt Warner, Trent Dilfer, and Brad Johnson. But it's a short list when compared to the drafted QBs.
I would like to see a QB drafted that actually had a chance to play in a few years... a 2nd or 3rd rounder with lots of promise. We seem to get the 6th round nobody if we do draft one. Or one like Savage that may have what it takes but will take 4 years for the game to slow down at all
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I would. Not to say stunned. A decent game may be possible but it hasn't happened yet. A great game is beyond his capability.
I agree. I also hate to see people acting like they "knew". I'm not saying that he's not the answer, in my opinion the jury is still out. But finding a QB is a crapshoot and sure, you might have been right about Brock and it's fine to toot your horn; just don't forget about the 95% you are wrong about.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
If Brock or Savage don't work can they please draft a guy? Please?
not just any guy (Dave Ragone)...
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
When I say a guy, I actually mean A GUY.
Someome they really like because apparently they didn't really like Savage.
Someome they really like because apparently they didn't really like Savage.
I think they liked Savage, but he hasn't become who they thought he would
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Maybe. They see him more than we do. He's never really been given a shot though. Was never in contention to start last year. Put him on season long IR for an injury he got over in season I think. And OB never mentioned him as starter or backup. Plainly said mallet and hoyer would be starter and backup.
Then they go out and sign Brock.
I dunno. Doesn't seem like they loved the guy.
Being on IR his first two years didn't help his cause and if they didn't feel he was ready to start this year, McNair didn't leave them much choice
False Start
On # 69
Too bad Alex Brink never did work out. 
I know people do thier homework, I used to be one of them. I wanted Schaub the year before we got him and was thrilled when we landed him but I could have just as easily been wrong because there are thousands of possible things that. can go wrong. I mean is Brady an amazing QB or is he lucky to be in NE? What if he was with Tony Dingy?FuunniiestthingIeverheard.
If picking a QB was that easy then nobody would ever get fired, I mean let's be honest who thought the Colts would have an above average QB with luck? We've even seen QBs come out and tear the league up one year and then turn into nothing (Rick Mier anyone?). I wasnt trying to insult anyone, I was just saying that we all talk about how we knew it... and in reality our knowing it was at least half luck, probably more. How else do you explain Rich Gannon?
What would you say if the Texans drafted a QB in every round but the first?
Of course it's the first two years (2016-2017) of his contract before they work their way thru the guaranteed money and emerge into (2018) and the post cap-hit period which suggests they will give him the 2016-17 period but I'd guess it's also subject to Broc's performances in the remaining games of this year and then the 2017 preseason performances before they determine who's the starter for the 2017 season opener.
The way this is going, obviously so disappointing at this point, right now I think there's tremendous uncertainty about the identity of the Texans' QB starter in Sept, 2017 ?
You of all people should know that data integrity is important for an analysis.
It improves your probability of success, not Luck.
BTW, I actually tried to stop people from putting Luck in the HOF when he got drafted, after one year, and then after two years, and so on.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
4-3 and in first place in the AFC South.
The way it's going, I'll still take it...
Brock Osweiler has a chance to win over the fans.
We still have a lot of football left to play this season.
Texian
Hall of Fame
He will be a FA next year.I wouldn't get rid of Hopkins, but I'd trade Braxton Miller and a 5th for Matt McGloin.
A 5th of whisky.
well another possibility is that OB likes Savage but Os was forced on him, so Savage won't get a shot until he can bench Os
Porky
Hall of Fame
Savage has the physical traits to be a starter, and a decent one. I'm more worried about the mental side. Guys like Brady and Manning can make snap judgements, and usually its the correct one. To me, Savage looks slow in his progressions and reads and it ends up in him holding the ball too long and not delivering it in prime spots and taking sacks as well.
That COULD get better with more PT and if it were my decision I'd give the golden boy a last chance with Detroit (not an especially good D) and if he isn't at least average then I'm taking the bye week to get Savage ready.
But let's face it. OB and RS and even BM are tied to Brock like an anchor and they are going to stick with Brock until the ship goes down...and it probably will. And it probably should because OB's QB whisperer act has gotten stale. Gary Kubiak with a much lesser talent, ran rings around the Texans offense. I hate to say it - but give me Brock and Kubiak and this is a much better offense and QB.
I guess the question is twofold - why does Brock look worse here then he did in Denver? He appears to have regressed.
And why isn't the QB position treated the same as any other? I thought the best man played. I guess not.
That COULD get better with more PT and if it were my decision I'd give the golden boy a last chance with Detroit (not an especially good D) and if he isn't at least average then I'm taking the bye week to get Savage ready.
But let's face it. OB and RS and even BM are tied to Brock like an anchor and they are going to stick with Brock until the ship goes down...and it probably will. And it probably should because OB's QB whisperer act has gotten stale. Gary Kubiak with a much lesser talent, ran rings around the Texans offense. I hate to say it - but give me Brock and Kubiak and this is a much better offense and QB.
I guess the question is twofold - why does Brock look worse here then he did in Denver? He appears to have regressed.
And why isn't the QB position treated the same as any other? I thought the best man played. I guess not.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
I disagree with this - at least most of the time.
Look at the bad 1st round QB picks - even under the current CBA - and see what happened.
Jake Locker was drafted in 2011, and still starting games for the Titans in his fourth season (2014), Blaine Gabbert was drafted the same year, and was still the starter on opening day of his third season. Christian Ponder went into his third season in the league as the Vikings starter, and ended up starting most of the games that he was healthy enough to do so. I'm more and more thinking that Blake Bortles may end up in this same category, but it's a virtual certainty that even if that's the case, he'll go into his fourth season as the Jags starter. RGIII would have been the same in DC if they hadn't been smart or lucky enough to draft Cousins - and the jury is still somewhat out on that one. Assuming Jared Goff is ultimately a wash-out for the Rams, is that something they'll end up moving on from after the 2017 season? My guess is it's not.
The one thing that should be certain with Osweiler is what to do with him after year two. That's why I'm against starting Savage or Weeden any time soon, because even though it's looking more and more like a risk that won't pan out, the Texans have put themselves in a position where two years is the max this can go on, and I simply don't believe that would be the case with most high first round QB picks.
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
One of the best posts on the subject in a while. Coaches and front offices get chained to certain picks at certain positions because of investment, from the investment of a high pick, financially, emotionally, and potentially their job. Luckily we are now getting a return on Clowney because the same rules applied for him being 1.1 just like Carr being 1.1. The organization will stick with these players for far too long if they don't pan out really keeping certain teams in talent defencies for years because they won't move on. Again why I stress that the Brock contract is actually a good deal for the team. If he pans out we have a good/great quarterback for 4 years on the cheap. If he doesn't then we cut ties after 2 years and probably will cut ties with B.OB at the same time. It is why I find their rift humorous because they are essentially tied together from here on out.
