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gwallaia said:
I'm just saying something does not look right about this team. They are playing with the same intensity in CUSA Championship game against Southern Miss a few years ago, under similar distractions.
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gwallaia said:
And Herman could have control by publicly stating that he is staying at UH to end any suspicions the players might have.
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Just going by your saying they're sending a message, didn't know what kind of message in particular.

And he could say that, but then there's a good chance that he'd be a liar and everyone would just take a giant turd on him at that point.
Damned, do, damned, don't.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I'm upset and not even thinking!

No Big 12. Horrible losses to bad teams.
We may end up with 3 or 4 losses this year.
#13 ranked going into tonight. Should be unranked now.
Adios Tom Herman. Say hello to Charlie Strong.

I posted that on my Twitter account just now.
I'm better off just posting shorter content.
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Just ribbing you. You said you wanted some levity.

And I'll sh*t an actual cougar if you start posting shorter content.
 
We have lost our last 2 good coaches to schools with unlimited amounts of money. It is nearly impossible for us to consistently compete when we face an opponent on the field and face other opponent's money.
 
38-14 SMU with 2:23 left in the game.
All they have to do is run the ball now.
You could have reversed the spread and SMU covered!

This is one of the worst losses in U of H history.
It stings and it hurts. I wasn't expecting this tonight.
 
SMU took a safety pinned back at their own end zone. They intentionally snapped the ball high on a punt. 38-16 game now with just under 50 seconds left. That is smart coaching actually.

Somebody is already giving me a hard time on Twitter. Telling me that the Houston Cougars are soft and they should try and join "The Little 12 Conference" with all the crappy schools out there that have weak football teams. The likes of Lamar and Texas State, which they like to schedule games against. Ouch!
 
Somebody might want to tap Houston on the shoulder and mention joining the soon-to-die Big 12 may be a blessing in disguise.
 
UH isn't going to hire Strong. They're going to go after a young innovative coordinator like Lincoln Riley (Oklahoma OC).
 
This is adversity. It happens. If Tom Herman can't get the situation under control then he's not the coach people think he is. Watching them under Herman has been fun but they've had almost unlimited success up until the Navy game. They had success and they dealt with it pretty well last year. This year they seemed to think these conference games were going to be gimmies and that's just not true for anybody, anywhere.

This is about injuries and distractions and right now the season is about bowl eligibility and trying to win out. That won't happen if the coaches can't convince the players that the rumors are bullshit. The talent level is going up every season with better recruiting and we know Herman can coach a football team. You can't control injuries, they happen to everyone eventually but the distractions can be managed. Herman needs to shut them down by making a "look right into the camera" kind of statement on this. Ideally he needs to stand by it but for now he's just gotta make those football players believe he's not going anywhere.
 
WolverineFan said:
UH isn't going to hire Strong. They're going to go after a young innovative coordinator like Lincoln Riley (Oklahoma OC).
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Charlie Strong knows the American Athletic Conference quite well and he's still a big name that will be looking to resurrect his coaching career. A pretty good recruiter as well. And our best players moving forward are freshman and sophomores on defense which is his expertise. It makes too much sense if he is indeed fired by Texas and they end up paying big money to lure Tom Herman away. I want an experienced and established head coach.

If only Art Briles wasn't such a scumbag involved in that terrible situation at Baylor (didn't help those rape victims), I would welcome his return to U of H but I wouldn't offer him a job if I were an athletic director.

I just don't want some young guy learning the ropes of head coaching otherwise we'll waste Ed Oliver's collegiate career. This kid is a future superstar at the next level. A top five pick in the NFL draft in two or three years. I hope we can keep him here for a full four years but he may only be here one more year (worst case scenario). What a stud he's been as a pure freshman. I want a head coach who knows defense and can get the most out of Oliver.

At any rate, I've lost faith in Tom Herman already. We'll probably end this season with three, four or five losses which is a crying shame. We were expected to win the conference title again. #5 Louisville will spank us if we play like we did the past two games (nearly lost at home to Tulsa as well), and I wouldn't be shocked if UCF beats us in our house on Saturday. I think we'll lose to Memphis on the road the final game. The day after Thanksgiving.

We should roll over lowly Tulane in a few weeks. We'll be favored by 30+ points in that game. Then again we should have rolled over SMU as we were favored by 23.5 points. Sadly, I don't find any games as "easy wins" anymore with this team.

I want to rally behind this team and praise Tom Herman. It's been a fun ride while it lasted the past year and a half, but this team has no fight in them at all right now. The players seem to have quit. Isn't it the head coach's job to have the team ready to play? The same thing is happening with Charlie Strong at Texas. Funny enough, I think a change of scenery could do wonders for both of these men.

Losers make excuses and blame the injuries. We're not losers are we? I want to win no matter which kids we have on the field. Even if it's the second or third string offensive tackle or guard. It's easy to say we lost because our offensive line is decimated by injuries. It's football and that should be expected. I hate that type of "excuse talk" some of our coaches were talking about in their post-game interviews. We should have still spanked SMU. At worse, we lose a close game. 38-16 was embarrassing! Coach up all the kids we have as if they were going to be counted on and relied upon on gameday. Depth is important at any level of football.
 
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Tom Herman is 19-3 as UH head coach. His predecessor was 20-17. Kevin Sumlin was 35-17. Art Briles was 34-28.

To say you've already lost faith in Herman is one of the most ridiculous and entitled things I've heard in quite some time. If that's your outlook then I hope he does leave UH because frankly you don't deserve him.
 
WolverineFan said:
Tom Herman is 19-3 as UH head coach. His predecessor was 20-17. Kevin Sumlin was 35-17. Art Briles was 34-28.

To say you've already lost faith in Herman is one of the most ridiculous and entitled things I've heard in quite some time. If that's your outlook then I hope he does leave UH because frankly you don't deserve him.
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I hope I'm wrong and he keeps winning but you also have to take into account the type of weak schedule we have played during his time here. One of the reasons the national media always criticize us as never being a legitimate final four playoff team. Danny Kanell, ESPN analyst, would always laugh at the notion that the Houston Cougars had a shot at reaching the final four playoffs, last year and early on this year, because of our soft schedule.

I give him credit for beating Oklahoma, Florida State (Peach Bowl) and a couple other ranked teams. But I'm pretty sure we could have gone 19-3 with a lot of other good head coaches just the same. And this season is far form over. I expect us to lose at least one more game to Louisville, and maybe one or two more. I don't think the UCF and Memphis games will be easy wins.

Look, if we played in a major Conference I'm not sure if Tom Herman would be 19-3. The record looks pretty but some of those wins came against the likes of Lamar, Texas State, insert small conference school with bad football teams, etc... etc... Let's keep things in perspecitve.

Let's see how the Houston Cougars fare against UCF at 11 AM on Saturday morning. We're here at home and ESPN-U will be airing that game nationally.

And I should clarify that I've lost faith in Tom Herman given what I've been seeing over the last three games, in particular. It seems like the writing is on the wall that he's as good as gone after this season. My eyes don't lie and I'm not seeing a team giving it their best effort. We are lucky we pulled that game out of our ass against Tulsa or else we'd be on a three-game losing streak. We've been heavily favored in all of those games. Not that it matters. Why should I be supporting this train wreck that I'm seeing? A head coach that is going to leave us like all the others?
 
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Bulls on Parade said:
I hope I'm wrong and he keeps winning but you also have to take into account the type of weak schedule we have played during his time here. One of the reasons the national media always criticize us as never being a legitimate final four playoff team. Danny Kanell, ESPN analyst, would always laugh at the notion that the Houston Cougars had a shot of reaching the final four playoffs because of our soft schedule.

I give him credit for beating Oklahoma, Florida State (Peach Bowl) and a couple other ranked teams. But I'm pretty sure we could have gone 19-3 with a lot of other good head coaches just the same. And this season is far form over. I expect us to lose at least one more game to Louisville, and maybe one or two more. I don't think the UCF and Memphis games will be easy wins.

Look, if we played in a major Conference I'm not sure if Tom Herman would be 19-3. The record looks pretty but some of those wins came against the likes of Lamar, Texas State, insert small conference school with bad football teams, etc... etc... Let's keep things in perspecitve.

Let's see how the Houston Cougars do against UCF at 11 AM on Saturday morning. We're here at home and ESPN-U will be airing that game nationally.

And I should clarify that I've lost faith in Tom Herman given what I've been seeing over the last three games, in particular. My eyes don't lie and I'm not seeing a team giving it their best effort. We are lucky we pulled that game out of our ass against Tulsa or else we'd be on a three-game losing streak. We've been heavily favored in all of those games. Not that it matters.
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So you're saying UH under Sumlin and Briles faced much tougher competition and didn't face small conference schools?

And please name the 'lot of other good head coaches' that would have done just the same.
 
JB said:
he takes "wishy-washy fan" to a whole new level
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JB, I kindly disagree with you.
I have my reasons for feeling like I do.
I'm not liking the effort I've been seeing lately.
The last three games have been very disappointing.

From a guy that isn't going to receive his $5 million bonus if we had been accepted into the Big 12. A head coach that is likely leaving us after this season.

Tom Herman can win me over if he stays at U of H and starts to focus on this program becoming a national powerhouse. So far we've been taking several steps back over last year. All the rumors of him leaving hasn't helped.

I hope we win out to finish out this year. I'm thinking of attending the UCF game on Saturday. I want a head coach who wants to be here long term. He would have my support if he stays. I'm losing faith in him given what has gone on these past three weeks. He hasn't even denied the rumors.
 
Mollywhopper said:
So you're saying UH under Sumlin and Briles faced much tougher competition and didn't face small conference schools?

And please name the 'lot of other good head coaches' that would have done just the same.
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Molly. I'm not going to debate this. I already explained why I feel the way I do. It's more of a recent trend that I don't like. And once we lose Tom Herman after this season we'll be searching for a new head coach. So forgive me for losing faith in him. He can prove me wrong by staying and winning more games. Keep building up this promising program which seems to be falling apart right now.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Molly. I'm not going to debate this. I already explained why I feel the way I do. It's more of a recent trend that I don't like. And once we lose Tom Herman after this season we'll be searching for a new head coach. So forgive me for losing faith in him. He can prove me wrong by staying and winning more games. Keep building up this promising program which seems to be falling apart right now.
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Don't debate it, ok. Doesn't make it any less nonsensical to try and level Herman's performance with no good reason.
 
I love you guys like family. All I'm saying is I've been very disappointed with the last three games amidst the rumors of Tom Herman leaving U of H after this season. It didn't help that the Big 12 didn't invite us to join their conference. That would have netted Herman a $5 million bonus and perhaps given him more reasoning, especially financially, to stay.

All I know is I just purchased a $15 dollar ticket on-line to the Houston Cougars and Central Florida Knights game on Saturday morning. I'll be there supporting Tom Herman and the Cougs. I'm still here trying my best to support the team through some tough times. Forgive me for feeling a little frustrated. The coaches and players are also frustrated.

I just want to see good football being played again. We've slipped to 4th in the American Athletic West standings. At this point Navy has the inside track to play in the AAC championship game and not us.

UCF may give us a tough game on Saturday. I hope I'm not leaving that game poking my eyes out over another loss to a team we were heavily favored against (9 points this time). We were much bigger favorites against SMU and Navy on the road. Should I take a sign? "Commit to U of H long term, Tom Herman!" on a neon green poster. Maybe ESPN-U will flash me on screen during the game.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I hope I'm wrong and he keeps winning but you also have to take into account the type of weak schedule we have played during his time here. One of the reasons the national media always criticize us as never being a legitimate final four playoff team. Danny Kanell, ESPN analyst, would always laugh at the notion that the Houston Cougars had a shot at reaching the final four playoffs, last year and early on this year, because of our soft schedule.

I give him credit for beating Oklahoma, Florida State (Peach Bowl) and a couple other ranked teams. But I'm pretty sure we could have gone 19-3 with a lot of other good head coaches just the same. And this season is far form over. I expect us to lose at least one more game to Louisville, and maybe one or two more. I don't think the UCF and Memphis games will be easy wins.

Look, if we played in a major Conference I'm not sure if Tom Herman would be 19-3. The record looks pretty but some of those wins came against the likes of Lamar, Texas State, insert small conference school with bad football teams, etc... etc... Let's keep things in perspecitve.

Let's see how the Houston Cougars fare against UCF at 11 AM on Saturday morning. We're here at home and ESPN-U will be airing that game nationally.

And I should clarify that I've lost faith in Tom Herman given what I've been seeing over the last three games, in particular. It seems like the writing is on the wall that he's as good as gone after this season. My eyes don't lie and I'm not seeing a team giving it their best effort. We are lucky we pulled that game out of our ass against Tulsa or else we'd be on a three-game losing streak. We've been heavily favored in all of those games. Not that it matters. Why should I be supporting this train wreck that I'm seeing? A head coach that is going to leave us like all the others?
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You could have just skipped the first 3 paragraphs and said "Tom Herman is probably leaving and that pisses me off".

I mean the guy put UH back on the map and actually put them into the national conversation for playoffs and Power 5 expansion. He went 13-1, won a conference championship, dismantled Florida State in a big bowl game, and finished with a top 10 ranking. The money he has made for the university is going toward improving facilities and improving the program's foundation for the guy that follows him.

And instead of being thankful for that you're jilted over the fact that he wants to move up in his profession. That's so ungrateful. You need to grab some perspective man. Tom Herman has been great for UH. GREAT. UH is in a better place now than it was 2 years ago. Be thankful for it instead of trying to throw the guy under the bus.
 
We are gun shy. We have lost our last two coaches who brought success to UH. We are getting tired of it.
 
WolverineFan said:
Tom Herman is 19-3 as UH head coach. His predecessor was 20-17. Kevin Sumlin was 35-17. Art Briles was 34-28.

To say you've already lost faith in Herman is one of the most ridiculous and entitled things I've heard in quite some time. If that's your outlook then I hope he does leave UH because frankly you don't deserve him.
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Dude sounds like a UT fan. And coming from a UT fan, that is not a compliment.
 
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I'm at the game right now posting on my smartphone. Sitting at the 40-yard line behind the Houston Cougars sideline. A lot of U of H fans near me are very quiet and bummed out just like I am.

Fourth straight game we're not bringing the juice. It's 21-3 UCF Knights at halftime. They're just outplaying us in our house. Their defense is legitimately fast and flying around the field making tackles and forcing turnovers.

And the UCF offense is exposing our defense with some big plays in the open field. Ed Oliver, I believe, has been called for a couple of personal fouls as well.

We're in danger of losing our third game in the past four games to a team we were favored to beat by two scores or more. And it could have been four losses in a row if we didn't escape that Tulsa game.

And we still play #5 ranked Louisville in a few Thursdays. I'll probably buy a ticket to that game as well. I love our U of H Cougars but this is sad to me. I'm not seeing a lot of effort out there against teams we should be spanking, much less beating.

If we lose four or five games this year...
I think Memphis will give us a tough game..
What type of bowl game we will make?

Hopefully we can come back in the second half.
Some Cougar fans are already leaving.
We're down 18 points at halftime. It's ain't over yet!
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I'm at the game right now posting on my smartphone. Sitting at the 40-yard line behind the Houston Cougars sideline. A lot of U of H fans near me are very quiet and bummed out just like I am.

Fourth straight game we're not bringing the juice. It's 21-3 UCF Knights at halftime. They're just outplaying us in our house. Their defense is legitimately fast and flying around the field making tackles and forcing turnovers.

And the UCF offense is exposing our defense with some big plays in the open field. Ed Oliver, I believe, has been called for a couple of personal fouls as well.

We're in danger of losing our third game in the past four games to a team we were favored to beat by two scores or more. And it could have been four losses in a row if we didn't escape that Tulsa game.

And we still play #5 ranked Louisville in a few Thursdays. I'll probably buy a ticket to that game as well. I love our U of H Cougars but this is sad to me. I'm not seeing a lot of effort out there against teams we should be spanking, much less beating.

If we lose four or five games this year...
I think Memphis will give us a tough game..
What type of bowl game we will make?

Hopefully we can come back in the second half.
Some Cougar fans are already leaving.
We're down 18 points at halftime. It's ain't over yet!
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And this is why people shouldn't leave before halftime ;) Cougs back in the game
 
There's a rumor starting to go around that Herman has a severe drinking problem and he is already out of the running for the LSU job. I have no idea about the validity of the rumor, but it could help UH hang on to Herman for a little while longer.

Keep in mind that the rumor was started on a UT website, so it could be something totally false that was put out there by someone who wants UT to keep Strong.
 
bah007 said:
There's a rumor starting to go around that Herman has a severe drinking problem and he is already out of the running for the LSU job. I have no idea about the validity of the rumor, but it could help UH hang on to Herman for a little while longer.

Keep in mind that the rumor was started on a UT website, so it could be something totally false that was put out there by someone who wants UT to keep Strong.
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Baylor has him #1 on their board regardless and we all know they could care less about something like drinking.
 
WolverineFan said:
Baylor has him #1 on their board regardless and we all know they could care less about something like drinking.
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I've heard that Baylor is taking a long look at Philip Montgomery, who is from the Briles coaching tree. Seems like a move they would make.
 
Paul Finebaum covers the SEC and he was on ESPN yesterday saying that if Texas A&M loses to LSU on Thanksgiving, there's a good chance that the Aggies will fire Kevin Sumlin and Tom Herman will be their top choice.

The Aggies would have lost 4 out of their last 6 games if that happens. Assuming they hold on and win today against lowly UTSA. It's only 23-10 Aggies midway in the fourth quarter. UTSA has the ball at midfield and could make it interesting with a Touchdown. They haven't played inspiring football today against a weaker opponent. They have only scored 7 points total in the second half so far.

But nevertheless, I would hate to lose Tom Herman to Texas A&M. The Aggies were still positioned nicely in the top four CFP playoff rankings (#4) after losing their first game at #1 Alabama not too long ago. Even with two more losses after that they've been able to stay ranked in the coach's poll (#25). That is how fast things can change.

I wonder where Kevin Sumlin would end up if Texas A&M fires him? He's a pretty good head coach. I doubt he'd be in consideration to come back here? LOL, I love Sumlin though. He was one of my favorites when he coached here in 2008 to 2011.
 
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I would hate it if Sumlin came back to Houston. He's already left once for greener pastures and, like Gwallaia, I'm sick of that sheeit.
 
Showtime100 said:
I would hate it if Sumlin came back to Houston. He's already left once for greener pastures and, like Gwallaia, I'm sick of that sheeit.
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No way Sumlin would ever be welcomed back at UH, he has burned his bridges here. No one has an ounce of respect for him.
 
Well Texas lost to Kansas today so Strong is gone. Herman to UT is almost a certainty at this point.

As for Sumlin, if he does get fired his alma mater (Purdue) is looking for a coach.
 
WolverineFan said:
Well Texas lost to Kansas today so Strong is gone. Herman to UT is almost a certainty at this point.

As for Sumlin, if he does get fired his alma mater (Purdue) is looking for a coach.
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Please explain how you almost know this about Herman. You could be right, but I think it's 50/50 at this point. I take this stand because I think Herman sees Houston as a place to build a true legacy much like Bill Yeomen did. I have only my thoughts to support this assertion, but I believe it as I type. Herman has better character that either Briles or Sumlin. Just me , but it is what I think.
 
As hilarious and enjoyable as this UT loss was, it will only intensify their insatiable greed to pour out even more money for Herman.
 
Showtime100 said:
Please explain how you almost know this about Herman. You could be right, but I think it's 50/50 at this point. I take this stand because I think Herman sees Houston as a place to build a true legacy much like Bill Yeomen did. I have only my thoughts to support this assertion, but I believe it as I type. Herman has better character that either Briles or Sumlin. Just me , but it is what I think.
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1) Herman to UT has been heavy in the rumor mill for 3 weeks now. Typically where there's smoke there's fire. He's going to get big offers from every big program that fires their coach this year and it won't be middling offers like South Carolina last year. It will be Texas and LSU and maybe A&M and Florida State.

2) Herman leaving has absolutely nothing to do with his "character". It's a promotion. Texas is a more prestigious football program, plays in a power conference, and can offer endless amounts of money. If you leave your job for a higher paying and more prestigious job is that a flaw in your character or are you just making a business decision?


I should add it's the Texas boosters who want Herman and they pony up most of the money for these types of moves. The Texas AD may look at more established guys like Petrino at Louisville or Gundy at Oklahoma State but Herman is the early favorite.
 
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Yeah, I was surprised by the Texas loss to Kansas. I can't believe Texas and Texas A&M may both be in search of a head coach at the same time. Both schools recruit a lot of the top talent in state and both are in big conferences (Big 12 and SEC). They are both dream jobs but I hope Tom Herman decides to stay at U of H even though I know it's unlikely.

We can't pony up the type of cash that the billionaire boosters seem to shell out for Texas and Texas A&M. I remember seeing both schools ranked at the top (in the entire country) in terms of the massive donation money they receive each year, partly from boosters, from a Forbes magazine a few years ago.

But you never know. We can always hope. The University of Houston does indeed have rich boosters just the same. Tom Herman kicked them off their first-class seats on a flight one time. LOL, so his offensive linemen could sit there instead.

Maybe if every U of H fan chipped in their fair share.
We should go rally and form an on-line tip jar to keep Herman.
I'll throw in a measly $15k. That's all I have in my bank account. LOL. 4th largest city in the U.S. We have to find a way to keep our man!

Sigh, but I digress. We can't compete with the cash cow that is Texas and Texas A&M. We don't even play in a major power five conference. I wish we had gotten invited into the Big 12. That would have netted Tom Herman a $5 million bonus and it would have given him more incentive to stay.

That is what ruined my excitement this year. The Big 12 declining us hurt me the most, and then we played some shitty football for about a month's time, four straight games of looking lousy on network TV, losing twice, and barely escaping a couple of others. We had key injuries also. But man what could have been an awesome year! Beating #3 OU and #5 Louisville. We proved when healthy we were as good as any team in the country this year.

If Tom Herman stays we can continue to build this program up. We're so close to having a consistently solid powerhouse in football. We can land blue chip recruits if Herman stays. We're becoming a national sensation and big draw to the high school kids, not just in state but around the country.

I'm frustrated and hopeful at the same time. We'll see what happens...
 
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WolverineFan said:
1) Herman to UT has been heavy in the rumor mill for 3 weeks now. Typically where there's smoke there's fire. He's going to get big offers from every big program that fires their coach this year and it won't be middling offers like South Carolina last year. It will be Texas and LSU and maybe A&M and Florida State.

2) Herman leaving has absolutely nothing to do with his "character". It's a promotion. Texas is a more prestigious football program, plays in a power conference, and can offer endless amounts of money. If you leave your job for a higher paying and more prestigious job is that a flaw in your character or are you just making a business decision?


I should add it's the Texas boosters who want Herman and they pony up most of the money for these types of moves. The Texas AD may look at more established guys like Petrino at Louisville or Gundy at Oklahoma State but Herman is the early favorite.
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I simply disagree.
 
WolverineFan said:
2) Herman leaving has absolutely nothing to do with his "character". It's a promotion. Texas is a more prestigious football program, plays in a power conference, and can offer endless amounts of money. If you leave your job for a higher paying and more prestigious job is that a flaw in your character or are you just making a business decision?


I should add it's the Texas boosters who want Herman and they pony up most of the money for these types of moves. The Texas AD may look at more established guys like Petrino at Louisville or Gundy at Oklahoma State but Herman is the early favorite.
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Coaching at a Power 5 school gives Herman a legit chance at a national championship. Had UH got the Big 12 (which is only 10) invite, I believe Herman would have stayed. Not surprisingly, UT didn't wield it's powerful influence to help a fellow state university. Go figure.

I think the best choice to replace Herman would be from inside the program, either Todd Orlando or Major Applewhite. The culture remains intact and both are very good X and Os guys. Herman at UT is the obvious choice and I'm sure Herman believes he will have success in Austin. And I agree. But, I would at least wonder why a good coach like Strong couldn't get the job done there. There's something wrong surrounding that program, and that might give Herman pause.
 
Lucky said:
I think the best choice to replace Herman would be from inside the program, either Todd Orlando or Major Applewhite. The culture remains intact and both are very good X and Os guys. Herman at UT is the obvious choice and I'm sure Herman believes he will have success in Austin. And I agree. But, I would at least wonder why a good coach like Strong couldn't get the job done there. There's something wrong surrounding that program, and that might give Herman pause.
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It reminds me of Michigan when Rich Rodriguez was there. From the jump he didn't have 100% support behind the scenes and it clearly affected the program. I think Strong knew he was always walking a fine line with a lot of the boosters and the pressure just got to him. I feel bad for him. At the same time, the product on the field is bad and that's on him.

As for UH, they've done a tremendous job hiring Head Coaches. Briles, Sumlin, and Herman were all great hires. Levine was an awful hire and he was hired from within. If I'm UH I don't automatically look within. I do a search and look for another hot young coordinator. Both Orlando and Applewhite fit that but so do guys like Lincoln Riley at OU and Dave Aranda at LSU.
 
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Both Orlando and Applewhite fit that but so do guys like Lincoln Riley at OU and Dave Aranda at LSU.
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I'm sure these are good X&O guys, but both are from underachieving programs. I don't know what culture they would bring with them. I know what UH has now is working .
 
Lucky said:
I'm sure these are good X&O guys, but both are from underachieving programs. I don't know what culture they would bring with them. I know what UH has now is working .
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Riley's offense is not the problem at OU and Aranda's defense is not the problem at LSU. Both are top 5 units nationally. But I agree that if Applewhite or Orlando can carry over the culture then they should be a good fit.

IMO, if Herman does take the UT job, I think he takes Applewhite as OC and hires Aranda as DC while Orlando gets the UH job.
 
I know he's most likely gone just b/c that's the way this college football **** works....I just don't want him to go to UT or A&M....If/when he leaves, anywhere but those 2. Both those fuckers need to sit and stew in their own **** for a while..
 
Charlie Strong and Kevin Sumlin would be two great head coaches on the market. I'm a big fan of both of those guys even though they have been much maligned this year. They are going to do great things with the next program they become the head coach of.

I wonder if they will receive any NFL opportunities? Not as a head coach, as I doubt they have that type of value right now, but a coordinator or position job in the NFL. I always considered Kevin Sumlin to be the next Mike Tomlin. He has that type of intensity and wits about him. It seemed like they may be a little frustrated and fed up with the college game right now. I saw Strong's reaction after yesterday's game and he looked dejected and fatigued. I still can't believe Texas lost to Kansas. I expected Texas to romp 'em with ease but it was a tough game all throughout.
 
Lucky said:
Coaching at a Power 5 school gives Herman a legit chance at a national championship. Had UH got the Big 12 (which is only 10) invite, I believe Herman would have stayed. Not surprisingly, UT didn't wield it's powerful influence to help a fellow state university. Go figure.

I think the best choice to replace Herman would be from inside the program, either Todd Orlando or Major Applewhite. The culture remains intact and both are very good X and Os guys. Herman at UT is the obvious choice and I'm sure Herman believes he will have success in Austin. And I agree. But, I would at least wonder why a good coach like Strong couldn't get the job done there. There's something wrong surrounding that program, and that might give Herman pause.
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UT actually did try to get UH into the conference. They got voted down by the other schools.

And yes, any coach should have pause about taking that job. It's about more than just football. It's the type of job where you can only succeed if you're a total ass-kisser (Mack Brown) or you're the type not to take sh*t from anybody and not afraid to let the boosters with massive egos know that either.

Strong was neither of those and he was sabotaged from the start. He didn't help himself on the field but he was always going to be coaching one year at a time.

The list of guys that could succeed at Texas is small, which is very discouraging as a fan of the program. I think Herman could make it. He'd have to come in guns blazing, put the loudmouth boosters in their place, and then back it up on the field though.
 
WolverineFan said:
Riley's offense is not the problem at OU and Aranda's defense is not the problem at LSU. Both are top 5 units nationally. But I agree that if Applewhite or Orlando can carry over the culture then they should be a good fit.

IMO, if Herman does take the UT job, I think he takes Applewhite as OC and hires Aranda as DC while Orlando gets the UH job.
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Applewhite is black listed at Texas. Nobody wants him back anytime soon.

Although, Herman might just have the balls to tell them to suck it and bring him anyway.
 
Mark Schlabach ‏@Mark_Schlabach 26 minutes agoThomasville, GA
Sources: LSU, Houston's Herman close to deal

I saw it on ESPN's score ticker during the LSU versus Texas A&M game right now. Apparently LSU had a very productive meeting with Tom Herman, in Houston, earlier this afternoon. They weren't far from Houston (College Station) for tonight's game.

LSU, Houston coach Tom Herman close to deal, per sources

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...y-close-deal-houston-cougars-coach-tom-herman

So what now guys? On to our next head coach...
Texas A&M and Texas will both lose out on Tom Herman also.

Maybe A&M will fire Kevin Sumlin after losing to LSU tonight.
But none of you want him back. Fair enough, so who?

Also Texas may end up keeping Charlie Strong now.
Their rich boosters wanted Tom Herman and only him.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Mark Schlabach ‏@Mark_Schlabach 26 minutes agoThomasville, GA
Sources: LSU, Houston's Herman close to deal

I saw it on ESPN's score ticker during the LSU versus Texas A&M game right now. Apparently LSU had a very productive meeting with Tom Herman, in Houston, earlier this afternoon. They weren't far from Houston (College Station) for tonight's game.

LSU, Houston coach Tom Herman close to deal, per sources

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...y-close-deal-houston-cougars-coach-tom-herman

So what now guys? On to our next head coach...
Texas A&M and Texas will both lose out on Tom Herman also.

Maybe A&M will fire Kevin Sumlin after losing to LSU tonight.
But none of you want him back. Fair enough, so who?

Also Texas may end up keeping Charlie Strong now.
Their rich boosters wanted Tom Herman and only him.
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This time last season it was "South Carolina, Houston coach Tom herman close to deal, per sources"

If he leaves he leaves. We'll find another great coach and keep moving forward. It's not our first rodeo when it comes to head coaches.

I wonder if Applewhite is ready? Continuity being a pretty valuable commodity I'd be interested in talking to him.
 
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LSU and Tom Herman could have a deal in place by Saturday. This is basically a done deal from what people are saying. We shall see. I was hoping we could still sneak into a New Year's six bowl game and Herman would coach it. With two big wins over two top five ranked teams in Louisville #5 and Oklahoma #3, at the time they were defeated, we could still salvage a 2-loss season with a bowl win over another highly ranked team on New Year's day. The Cotton Bowl or Peach Bowl (like last year) are still realistic for us.
 
Sucks for the players that have busted their asses all season to have these distractions before the game tomorrow. I'll be surprised if Memphis does not blow us out.
 
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