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gwallaia said:
Sucks for the players that have busted their asses all season to have these distractions before the game tomorrow. I'll be surprised if Memphis does not blow us out.
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These kinds of things always seem to happen before the season has wrapped up. That's the only part that really pisses me off about it. They take a team that's had success (because this never happens to consistently bad teams. Nobody wants their coaches) and before that success is done they come along, announce their great new coaching hire and destroy some other teams stability. This is the kind of thing that should be made illegal.

There needs to be a date before which you cannot hire a new coach that is already employed or make any kind of coaching staff announcements that don't either involve only your school and/or only coaches who are not at that time employed by another school.

Maybe without permission or something from the school they're coming from and with a "promotion" clause saying you could hire someone's OC or DC for your new HC or hire a position coach away if you were promoting him. This total chaos thing though sucks.
 
Modern day journalism at its finest. Print whatever you want and when you are inevitably wrong just blame "sources".

I have a feeling ESPN is going to look silly in a few days.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
LSU and Tom Herman could have a deal in place by Saturday. This is basically a done deal from what people are saying. We shall see. I was hoping we could still sneak into a New Year's six bowl game and Herman would coach it. With two big wins over two top five ranked teams in Louisville #5 and Oklahoma #3, at the time they were defeated, we could still salvage a 2-loss season with a bowl win over another highly ranked team on New Year's day. The Cotton Bowl or Peach Bowl (like last year) are still realistic for us.
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Houston is not eligible for a New Year's Six bowl game. The mid-major selection has to be a conference champion and UH is not even going to win their division (Navy already clinched).
 
I just saw KXAN report Herman close to signing with LSU. My only hope is Austin sports journalism is as incompetent as always.

Fukin lying NCAA and coaches. I hate the college game.
 
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Houston is not eligible for a New Year's Six bowl game. The mid-major selection has to be a conference champion and UH is not even going to win their division (Navy already clinched).
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Well I stand corrected by the guy who hates me. Thanks again for dashing my hopes as a U of H fan. I didn't follow what Navy has been doing in their last few games hoping we still had a chance with the huge win over Louisville last Thursday Night.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Well I stand corrected by the guy who hates me. Thanks again for dashing my hopes as a U of H fan. I didn't follow what Navy has been doing in their last few games hoping we still had a chance with the huge win over Louisville last Thursday Night.
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I don't hate you man sorry to dash your hopes.

Take solace in the Louisville win. That was basically your bowl game and it was a phenomenal win.
 
Showtime100 said:
I just saw KXAN report Herman close to signing with LSU. My only hope is Austin sports journalism is as incompetent as always.

Fukin lying NCAA and coaches. I hate the college game.
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Chip Brown is one of the few who is almost always on the money with his reports and sources.
 
Showtime100 said:
I just saw KXAN report Herman close to signing with LSU. My only hope is Austin sports journalism is as incompetent as always.

Fukin lying NCAA and coaches. I hate the college game.
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Texas boosters are leaking this LSU stuff to the media to force Texas administration to make a move on Herman. Texas plans to fire Strong after TCU game and hire Herman. Herman has Texas by the balls and if they don't pony up they'll have Strong for another year.

I understand the frustration of the UH fans. But you guys knew this was coming eventually. I'm not sure how it makes Herman a liar.
 
Texian said:
Chip Brown is one of the few who is almost always on the money with his reports and sources.
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Coming from a Texas fan that is somewhat plugged in, Chip is wrong nearly 100% of the time.

You can choose not to believe that. But UT boosters decide what information goes public. Chip heard what they want him to hear, and that is rarely the truth.
 
bah007 said:
Coming from a Texas fan that is somewhat plugged in, Chip is wrong nearly 100% of the time.

You can choose not to believe that. But UT boosters decide what information goes public. Chip heard what they want him to hear, and that is rarely the truth.
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Chip nailed it on Mack Brown. Agree Texas Boosters Joe Jamail (now deceased) and Red McCombs are a few of the BIG Boosters who pretty much call the shots and are just a couple Chip Brown's sources. On the morning when Mack was fired and everyone thought he was returning for another year, Chip said no he was out and he was right. My guess is Herman is using Texas in order to get LSU to pony up and much prefers the challenge of the SEC. I think the coaching fraternity knows that Texas is not the ideal situation. You may not believe that since you're plugged in and heavily committed. Charlie Strong wasn't going to take the Texas job until he was convinced to do so Lou Holtz. And last year Strong was actively seeking the Miami job in order to get out from the mess he was in in Austin. When you got Red McCombs calling you every week critiquing every misstep I can't say I blame him.
 
Texian said:
Chip nailed it on Mack Brown. Agree Texas Boosters Joe Jamail (now deceased) and Red McCombs are a few of the BIG Boosters who pretty much call the shots and are just a couple Chip Brown's sources. On the morning when Mack was fired and everyone thought he was returning for another year, Chip said no he was out and he was right. My guess is Herman is using Texas in order to get LSU to pony up and much prefers the challenge of the SEC. I think the coaching fraternity knows that Texas is not the ideal situation. You may not believe that since you're plugged in and heavily committed. Charlie Strong wasn't going to take the Texas job until he was convinced to do so Lou Holtz. And last year Strong was actively seeking the Miami job in order to get out from the mess he was in in Austin. When you got Red McCombs calling you every week critiquing every misstep I can't say I blame him.
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Nobody thought Mack was coming back. Literally everyone knew he was getting fired. It was well known for a full week. Chip didn't get some kind of scoop on that.

Based on what I've heard, Herman wants the Texas job and is using LSU to force Texas to make a decision. If Texas doesn't fire Strong then Herman will go to LSU.

I am very well aware of Strong's conversation with Holtz. He was apprehensive of taking the Texas job and I have to say he should have trusted his instincts. I'm embarrassed of the way the Texas fans have treated him. He is a fantastic coach.

Strong never flirted with Miami last year. Another time Chip was wrong. Texas boosters leaked all that stuff to make Strong look bad so they could dump him for Herman.

I'm not a typical Texas fan. I think most people would vouch for me on that. I'm embarrassed of the majority of Texas fans and boosters. I honestly have no idea why any coach would want to step into this mess. I'm hearing Herman wants the job. It's been his dream job ever since he worked for Mack. I have no idea why he would take Texas over LSU. But that's what I'm hearing.
 
bah007 said:
Texas boosters are leaking this LSU stuff to the media to force Texas administration to make a move on Herman. Texas plans to fire Strong after TCU game and hire Herman. Herman has Texas by the balls and if they don't pony up they'll have Strong for another year.

I understand the frustration of the UH fans. But you guys knew this was coming eventually. I'm not sure how it makes Herman a liar.
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Its not that I think he's a liar or whatever b/c he has an opportunity to move into a better situation.

My thing is something has to be done to keep these bigger programs from doing this to smaller programs...or at the very least make it much tougher for them to do this. I mean they're already at a tremendous disadvantage in terms of the conferences they play in and their ability to compete for national championships...and in the mindset of folks who vote in these biased as polls.

It just pisses me off how **** like this happens every time 1 of these smaller schools attempts to rise up.
 
They need to adopt a rule that prohibits any discussion with/of currently employed coaches during the current season

including bowls.
 
JB said:
They need to adopt a rule that prohibits any discussion with/of currently employed coaches during the current season

including bowls.
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They basically already have that. The issue is they have no control over agents so the agents just act as an intermediary and 3rd party between school and coach.
 
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JB said:
They need to adopt a rule that prohibits any discussion with/of currently employed coaches during the current season

including bowls.
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that'll just take the conversations that are already happening more underground imo. I honestly don't know what could be done, but a large part of why these programs are "have not" programs imo is b/c they're at such huge disadvantages when it comes to being able to compete and things like this with Briles/Sumlin & now Hermann reinforce all of those disadvantages they're already dealing with.

Something just has to be done to give these lesser programs a fighting chance to compete & remain stable. Perhaps said coach has to be in place a minimum of 4 years before any of these power 5 programs can come poach...perhaps some kind of massive compensation to the non-power 5 school if they want to come & get the coach before that 4 years is up. Whatever it is it just needs to be something that gives these blue blood programs at least a little pause for poaching these coaches from smaller programs; especially the ones that happen mid-contract.
 
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Something just has to be done to give these lesser programs a fighting chance to compete or at the very least remain stable or some kind of compensation if they poach their coaches. & on the flip side of that, give these blue blood programs at least a little pause for poaching these coaches from lesser programs; especially the ones that happen mid-contract.
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There's nothing to be done. The blue blood programs make all the money. The public schools in the AAC generate an average of $51M per year. Texas and Oklahoma generate an average of $159M per year. There's no way to compete with that.

The big schools have all the money and all the power. That's why the NCAA protects them. Because if they don't then they get left out of the money loop too and if there's one thing the NCAA loves it's money.
 
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Well the Defense that stuffed Lamar Jackson and Louisville last week obviously does not give a damn today.
 
Yeah the team has clearly quit on him. Also doesn't help that the media is drooling over the story and constantly pushing it. It's the only question he got pre-game and it's all they've talked about during the actual game. UH is basically the appetizer today while Herman's job status is the main course as far as the media is concerned. I feel for all the UH guys.
 
WolverineFan said:
Yeah the team has clearly quit on him. Also doesn't help that the media is drooling over the story and constantly pushing it. It's the only question he got pre-game and it's all they've talked about during the actual game. UH is basically the appetizer today while Herman's job status is the main course as far as the media is concerned. I feel for all the UH guys.
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Sumlin did the same thing.

History is repeating itself.
 
I'm still hoping for a comeback win but down 34-17 to start the second half on the road is a tough one. Woah, nice play by Greg Ward Jr. 7 plays and 65 yards. Good way to start the second half. Only down 34-24 now! Plenty of game left. Our defense just needs to get into a flow and make some plays. Our offense could score points in bunches now that they are rolling.
 
bah007 said:
Nobody thought Mack was coming back. Literally everyone knew he was getting fired. It was well known for a full week. Chip didn't get some kind of scoop on that.

Based on what I've heard, Herman wants the Texas job and is using LSU to force Texas to make a decision. If Texas doesn't fire Strong then Herman will go to LSU.

I am very well aware of Strong's conversation with Holtz. He was apprehensive of taking the Texas job and I have to say he should have trusted his instincts. I'm embarrassed of the way the Texas fans have treated him. He is a fantastic coach.

Strong never flirted with Miami last year. Another time Chip was wrong. Texas boosters leaked all that stuff to make Strong look bad so they could dump him for Herman.

I'm not a typical Texas fan. I think most people would vouch for me on that. I'm embarrassed of the majority of Texas fans and boosters. I honestly have no idea why any coach would want to step into this mess. I'm hearing Herman wants the job. It's been his dream job ever since he worked for Mack. I have no idea why he would take Texas over LSU. But that's what I'm hearing.
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There are dozens stories out there and to be honest it really doesn't matter what story you choose to believe. I agree that it was a forgone conclusion that Mack was gone but all of a sudden (I think it was a Kirk Bohls story) it broke on Friday night that Powers and Patterson were bringing Mack back for another year. Early Saturday AM there was news of a 1PM press conference to announce it. By the 11AM Mack announced he was retiring. One thing I do know, I'm not going to argue about what Chip Brown. Kirk Bohls or what anyone else said. It certainly not worth my time or yours.
 
The comeback continues. From down 34-17 at halftime to trailing 34-30 early in the fourth quarter. We may be able to pull off a nice road win at Memphis. A nationally televised game on ABC as well.

This would be a solid comeback win for us, keeping us ranked in the top 20 (#20 now) prior to our bowl game. If we win whatever bowl game we can end this year on a good note with an 11-2 record and perhaps a a top 15 ranked team, new head coach and all looking ahead to next year.

There is still a lot to play for. We're playing for next year, IMO. A lot of momentum we can hopefully carry over with our underclassmen throughout the off-season and spring practices. The only problem is the uncertainty of our recruiting class. I hope we don't lose any transfers as well.
 
We did it guys! What a comeback!!!!!!!
U of H made us all proud today. Tears of joy!
So much heart, effort and tenacity in the second half.
I couldn't be happier for this team right now.
The future may be uncertain but I think we'll be alright.
 
What kind of defensive calls were that, Mr. Todd Orlando? Even Tom Herman was seen having a few choice words with him on the side line after Memphis scores a quick Touchdown to win the game, 48-44. Not sure we can do much with 19 seconds left.

Unbelievable. I'm speechless. After all that hard work we allow the game to get away in the final minute. Now I'm crying but not tears of joy. I went from an emotional high to an emotional low. The life of a dedicated Houston sports fan.

So this is how Tom Herman's final game with U of H will end? A heartbreaking loss. I doubt he'll be here past tomorrow. So who will coach our bowl game? Todd Orlando?
 
WolverineFan said:
There's nothing to be done. The blue blood programs make all the money. The public schools in the AAC generate an average of $51M per year. Texas and Oklahoma generate an average of $159M per year. There's no way to compete with that.

The big schools have all the money and all the power. That's why the NCAA protects them. Because if they don't then they get left out of the money loop too and if there's one thing the NCAA loves it's money.
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they make all the money and have all the power b/c shits been rigged for them to have it since forever. Making a half way decent attempt at trying to level the playing field might change it a little.
 
WolverineFan said:
That game was a kick in the nuts to UH fans. Sorry fellas.
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I thought the win over Louisville was the kick in the nuts game. You know, a shit the bed against Navy and SMU, what does it really matter to put it all together against Louisville type of deal.

Oh well, the only good thing is that we should get another "stepping stone" coach in here to keep the winning going. Right?
 
So Texas should "officially" fire Charlie Strong after their meeting later today. Any chance that he'd be, at the very least, in consideration to coach the Houston Cougars?

He did coach Louisville when they still played in our American Athletic Conference prior to coaching the Texas Longhorns. He has some experience coaching big-time programs and some familiarity when it comes to recruiting in our conference as well as in state.

Or is the plan to just hand the job over to Todd Orlando or seek a younger, fresh coordinator? I just feel like recruiting is essential for us. I want a guy with experience who knows how to recruit some good young men to our campus.

I guess we'll see what happens. Speedy mentioned our next head coaching hire as a "stepping stone" to keep winning games. I'd like to think of it as a legitimate hiring though. Especially if we can bring in a guy like Charlie Strong. I know it's not likely but I can feel for the guy.

I watched Charlie Strong's press conference after the Longhorns latest loss. Class act all the way through and through. I love his attitude and I felt he was under-appreciated at Texas. Wins are wins, losses are losses, but the quality of your head coach says a lot about your program when it comes to things that actually matter, like improving the quality of your life and graduating and earning a degree. He truly cares about the future of his players.

I want our next head coach to appreciate actually being here and living in Houston, Texas, and wants to settle down here for the long haul (a decade or longer). And he won't leave us after a couple of years. He already has that "moving on to a bigger school and conference" out of his system already. Charlie Strong fits a lot what I would like our next head coach to be.

Recruiting is the most important thing to me as well...
As I posted before, he's got great experience doing that
In state and also within our conference. A lot of good ties there.

If it's some young guy, the flavor of the year hot-shot coordinator, just using us as a stepping stone for bigger and better things... No thanks. A lot of us are tired of that BS. We've been there and done that. I want a dedicated commitment from a head coach that is excited to build our program for the long haul. Not just for a couple of years...

Just for once, I want the Houston Cougars to bow down to nobody. I want our school to become the best in the country. I'm tired of being looked down upon as a second-rate university playing in a second-rate conference. Hopefully one of the power five conferences will invite us to join in the near future. In the mean time I just want a head coach who will lead us into that brighter future. And he won't ditch us just because the Big 12 didn't invite us and he didn't earn a $5 million salary bonus.
 
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Right now, the University of Houston should be in one of the so-called Power 5 Conferences. Despite yesterday's loss, the Coogs are better than many Power 5 teams and have nicer facilities than many Power 5 schools.

There are outside influences keeping us out.
 
gwallaia said:
Right now, the University of Houston should be in one of the so-called Power 5 Conferences. Despite yesterday's loss, the Coogs are better than many Power 5 teams and have nicer facilities than many Power 5 schools.

There are outside influences keeping us out.
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The funny thing is EVERYONE knows this. Look at our last 3 head coaches..All have been poached by Texas schools. With all the money and resources they supposedly have, you'd think that letting lil' ol' UH in the big 12 wouldn't be a big deal. But apparently we're more of a threat than they really are letting on.

Supposedly Texas voted for us to get into the big 12...it was the other schools who declined. I don't really buy that considering how much power UT supposedly has. but even if it were true, the fact that they wound up being the latest school to poach our coach makes them look like this whole thing was an elaborate hoax spearheaded by them.

Sick of this **** and hope they continue to wallow in mediocrity.
 
I'm sick to my stomach with Tom Herman leaving to coach the Texas Longhorns. But like I posted before I see a really good candidate and a great man available right now. You take our guy then I want your guy.

Although I'm worried we're just going to hire another coordinator, possibly even in house with Todd Orlando, who will ditch us in two or three years for a bigger school, conference and money. The cycle just continues. No stability or consistency to really build a solid program for the long haul, as in one or two decades.

Let's see how our second-rate bowl game goes, whichever one we end up accepting. I'm assuming Todd Orlando will be our head coach for that game. If he has a good showing I'll feel a little better. He was awesome in the big win over Louisville but I was let down by his defensive playcalling yesterday in the loss at Memphis.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
If it's some young guy, the flavor of the year hot-shot coordinator, just using us as a stepping stone for bigger and better things... No thanks. A lot of us are tired of that BS. We've been there and done that. I want a dedicated commitment from a head coach that is excited to build our program for the long haul. Not just for a couple of years...
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The only way to get continuity at head coach is to get into a power 5 conference. And the best way to do that is by winning and keeping the program excited. And if that means a hot shot young guy, then so be it. UH has done an outstanding job of hiring coaches. I trust their judgement.
 
gwallaia said:
Right now, the University of Houston should be in one of the so-called Power 5 Conferences. Despite yesterday's loss, the Coogs are better than many Power 5 teams and have nicer facilities than many Power 5 schools.

There are outside influences keeping us out.
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If you ran for President of the United States I would vote for you. :tiphat:
 
I saw an ESPN report that UH reached out to Holgorsen but he is not interested. I've heard talk that he could be a candidate at Oregon and even if not, he is expecting West Virginia to pony up and pay him this off-season.

However, they have reached out to both Les Miles and Lane Kiffin and each showed interest. Both of those guys would only be using the UH job to build the resume back up for a return to a bigger job, but they would be very good stop-gaps in the short term, especially Miles.

Say what you want about Miles but he can coach. And he can recruit too. His name also carries big time weight, and excitement in the program would explode if he took the job.
 
bah007 said:
I saw an ESPN report that UH reached out to Holgorsen but he is not interested. I've heard talk that he could be a candidate at Oregon and even if not, he is expecting West Virginia to pony up and pay him this off-season.

However, they have reached out to both Les Miles and Lane Kiffin and each showed interest. Both of those guys would only be using the UH job to build the resume back up for a return to a bigger job, but they would be very good stop-gaps in the short term, especially Miles.

Say what you want about Miles but he can coach. And he can recruit too. His name also carries big time weight, and excitement in the program would explode if he took the job.
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Uh has been doing a great job bringing in lesser known coaches that excel. I hope they continue that
 
bah007 said:
I saw an ESPN report that UH reached out to Holgorsen but he is not interested. I've heard talk that he could be a candidate at Oregon and even if not, he is expecting West Virginia to pony up and pay him this off-season.

However, they have reached out to both Les Miles and Lane Kiffin and each showed interest. Both of those guys would only be using the UH job to build the resume back up for a return to a bigger job, but they would be very good stop-gaps in the short term, especially Miles.

Say what you want about Miles but he can coach. And he can recruit too. His name also carries big time weight, and excitement in the program would explode if he took the job.
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I actually think the game has passed Miles by. He's a big name and that name would excite a lot of folks but he's still living in the 90s-00s with his offensive philosophy and refuses to adapt. His refusal to adapt to modern football is what got him fired at LSU. Even an old school guy like Saban has adapted and incorporated modern principles into his offense even though he's on the record as hating them.

Miles reminds me a lot of Lloyd Carr. Good coach, but he refused to adapt as football kept moving forward and Michigan got left behind. All great coaches adapt and Miles hasn't. Really the only thing that kept him afloat at LSU for so long was how loaded with talent they were year in and out and most of that talent was under-utilized.
 
bah007 said:
I saw an ESPN report that UH reached out to Holgorsen but he is not interested. I've heard talk that he could be a candidate at Oregon and even if not, he is expecting West Virginia to pony up and pay him this off-season.

However, they have reached out to both Les Miles and Lane Kiffin and each showed interest. Both of those guys would only be using the UH job to build the resume back up for a return to a bigger job, but they would be very good stop-gaps in the short term, especially Miles.

Say what you want about Miles but he can coach. And he can recruit too. His name also carries big time weight, and excitement in the program would explode if he took the job.
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Miles also heavily recruited the Houston area with success. So he's very familiar with the territory.
 
JB said:
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If we go in that direction he'll just leave for a power five conference in two or three years. I really don't want to keep losing our head coaches anymore. I'm tired of being a stepping stone for guys to better their careers and financial status.

I want a head coach who is willing to stay here ten or more years. It's important that whoever we sign is willing to sign a very long contract and not a two-year deal like Tom Herman had.

And I don't see a power five conference inviting us anytime soon, likely not in this decade. Hopefully sometime in the 2020's. So this next head coach we hire will hopefully be here for the long haul and bridge us into that new beginning.

Truth be told we didn't even reach the American Athletic Conference championship game this year! We should be trying to win our conference in the mean time. We can't even beat the likes of Memphis, SMU and especially Navy. We should be worried about dominating our conference before we worry about joining a power five conference.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
If we go in that direction he'll just leave for a power five conference in two or three years. I really don't want to keep losing our head coaches anymore. I'm tired of being a stepping stone for guys to better their careers and financial status.

I want a head coach who is willing to stay here ten or more years. It's important that whoever we sign is willing to sign a very long contract and not a two-year deal like Tom Herman had.

And I don't see a power five conference inviting us anytime soon, likely not in this decade. Hopefully sometime in the 2020's. So this next head coach we hire will hopefully be here for the long haul and bridge us into that new beginning.

Truth be told we didn't even reach the American Athletic Conference championship game this year! We should be trying to win our conference in the mean time. We can't even beat the likes of Memphis, SMU and especially Navy. We should be worried about dominating our conference before we worry about joining a power five conference.
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meh, if you want a ten + year commitment out of a coach you are begging for mediocrity. I would rather have a rising star than a falling one. If you lose coaches every 2-3 years, especially to power 5 schools they must be doing something right and that's what I want. Things done right and a winning program moreso than a stable one. Winning & stable would be great but not likely in this day.
 
Art Briles wanted to coach U of H again.
The nerve of that guy! Thanks but NO THANKS!
Good luck finding another coaching job you scumbag.
I'm sorry but I have zero respect for Art Briles...
What he did at Baylor is hard to forgive.

Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26 6 hours ago
Houston AD Hunter Yurachek issues statement saying fmr Baylor coach Art Briles expressed interest but will not be considered for job.

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