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2016 Offensive Line thread
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And they are.
A couple thoughts:
Our drop in OL is definitely due to not having Brown in the line up as Clark is just mediocre, and not having Martin in the line up. I also think Allen's calf injury is effecting his play. If you've never had a calf strain, they suck big time.
I think these are factors driving us down more than losing Jones and Brooks. I think Martin would have been an upgrade over Jones, where's as Mancz at this point is a bit of a downgrade. Hopefully he improves as the season progresses
On another point, I watched Newton on a pass play replay where his man pressured Os. I noticed on the snap his first step with his RT foot was lateral (think towards 3 o'clock) vs diagonally back (think towards 5 o'clock). This allowed Morgan to blow by him. I noticed he did this a couple other times as well. I would think this would be an easy fix and improve his pass blocking quite a bit
Our drop in OL is definitely due to not having Brown in the line up as Clark is just mediocre, and not having Martin in the line up. I also think Allen's calf injury is effecting his play. If you've never had a calf strain, they suck big time.
I think these are factors driving us down more than losing Jones and Brooks. I think Martin would have been an upgrade over Jones, where's as Mancz at this point is a bit of a downgrade. Hopefully he improves as the season progresses
On another point, I watched Newton on a pass play replay where his man pressured Os. I noticed on the snap his first step with his RT foot was lateral (think towards 3 o'clock) vs diagonally back (think towards 5 o'clock). This allowed Morgan to blow by him. I noticed he did this a couple other times as well. I would think this would be an easy fix and improve his pass blocking quite a bit
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Didn't see any of the @folks you mentioned on that periscope link. Lots of folks I'd never heard of that had nothing to do with football.Pro Football Focus @PFF Oct 5
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It appears that @SNFonNBC, @si_nfl and @MMQB all disagree
There were a couple of Justin Bieber postings....
Is this where your info comes from, twitter??
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Typical I haven't read it, I haven't seen it so it didn't happen response. Carry On!Didn't see any of the @folks you mentioned on that periscope link. Lots of folks I'd never heard of that had nothing to do with football.
There were a couple of Justin Bieber postings....
Is this where your info comes from, twitter??
I know that Aboushi played well last year.
But I can understand the Texans wanting to let XSF play for the future.
Allen did not allow a single sack nor hurry last year.
It's good to have Aboushi as the swing guard to backup both positions.
His role is really important on the football team.
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Dre_80
Waterboy
He has already given up 2.5 sacks in 5 games so far and he was flagged for holding twice. Plus he's got a concussion now too and the O-Line hasn't been playing well when he was in there. I don't see why we should go back to that. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Don't be too rash. Allen played against the Patriots & Vikings. Aboushi played against the Colts.
They are struggling right now to find a good/healthy lineup for the O-line and I don't know if that will change for the near future. With Miller getting 160+ yards on the ground and Osweiler getting sacked only once it was a pretty good night for the O-line. So why am I not overjoyed at their play and what the future holds for the next 10 games? Because it was the Colts! We should have done this to the Colts who have one of the worst defenses in the league. If it had been the Vikings or the Pats I would feel a lot better, but it was the Colts. So where does this leave the Texans O-line? They have a big test coming up next Monday. If they, by some miracle, can come out of Denver with a win, that would be great. But, the O-line will have to play lights out against that defense.
No matter what they do the rest of the year I still believe they should draft at least 2 O-linemen next year within the first 3 rounds. Preferably 2 OT's. They need to replace Newton at RT for sure and then they could let XSF, Allen, and Newton battle it out at the Guard positions with the loser being the swing OG. Then they could draft Brown's replacement and start grooming him for the LT spot or move the new RT over to LT and put the 2nd drafted OT in at RT when Brown can no longer cut it. Either way the O-line will need a major overhaul in the offseason IMO. I think this has to happen if the Texans want to have any kind of a decent offense in the future. This patchwork O-line is just not cutting it against the stronger teams!
They are struggling right now to find a good/healthy lineup for the O-line and I don't know if that will change for the near future. With Miller getting 160+ yards on the ground and Osweiler getting sacked only once it was a pretty good night for the O-line. So why am I not overjoyed at their play and what the future holds for the next 10 games? Because it was the Colts! We should have done this to the Colts who have one of the worst defenses in the league. If it had been the Vikings or the Pats I would feel a lot better, but it was the Colts. So where does this leave the Texans O-line? They have a big test coming up next Monday. If they, by some miracle, can come out of Denver with a win, that would be great. But, the O-line will have to play lights out against that defense.
No matter what they do the rest of the year I still believe they should draft at least 2 O-linemen next year within the first 3 rounds. Preferably 2 OT's. They need to replace Newton at RT for sure and then they could let XSF, Allen, and Newton battle it out at the Guard positions with the loser being the swing OG. Then they could draft Brown's replacement and start grooming him for the LT spot or move the new RT over to LT and put the 2nd drafted OT in at RT when Brown can no longer cut it. Either way the O-line will need a major overhaul in the offseason IMO. I think this has to happen if the Texans want to have any kind of a decent offense in the future. This patchwork O-line is just not cutting it against the stronger teams!
The Broncos O-line has also been very flux.
Their starting Matt Paradis was a 6th round draft pick in 2014.
He became a starter last year.
When the 2016 season started, it was reported that he had accrued more snaps on the Broncos O-line than the rest of the starters COMBINED.
Their starting Matt Paradis was a 6th round draft pick in 2014.
He became a starter last year.
When the 2016 season started, it was reported that he had accrued more snaps on the Broncos O-line than the rest of the starters COMBINED.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
....and that was when I had the idea for the flux capacitor which is what makes time travel possible.
As soon as I can buy a DeLorean and find some plutonium I'm going back in time to stop the drafting of David Carr.
I've been pushing for Olinemen, but more specifically O-tackles in the Draft for several years now. They've used two vey high picks on interior OLineman and not a single Draft pick on a tackle which I've not been able to figure out with OLT Duane Brown injured and advancing towards the end of his NFL career ?
As we all know the primary pass rush comes off of the edge which is why we need tackles and why they are more valuable than guards/centers. So maybe they will make drafting tackle(s) the top priority in the 2017 NFL Draft ?
We all want to have a killer O-line, but not many teams can claim they have one.
With the structure of the new CBA in 2011, the league has been getting younger.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theringer.com/amp/p/7068825845e4
The good thing for players is that now they have insurance for life after leaving the NFL - but that also entices players to leave the game earlier.
I also read that each team also has a budget of over $30M a year for player benefits.
That bring the cap space to more than $180M in 2015 (not the $150M that we see in normal discussion).
Every team has to deal with this.
The better coaches adapt better.
At the same time, I still say that our O-line was not any worse than the Vikings O-line in the game we played them.
Many of the problems lie with the coaches and the QB, IMHO.
With the structure of the new CBA in 2011, the league has been getting younger.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theringer.com/amp/p/7068825845e4
The good thing for players is that now they have insurance for life after leaving the NFL - but that also entices players to leave the game earlier.
I also read that each team also has a budget of over $30M a year for player benefits.
That bring the cap space to more than $180M in 2015 (not the $150M that we see in normal discussion).
Every team has to deal with this.
The better coaches adapt better.
At the same time, I still say that our O-line was not any worse than the Vikings O-line in the game we played them.
Many of the problems lie with the coaches and the QB, IMHO.
St. Louis
NYJets
Baltimore
NYGiants
Arizona
Tampa Bay
Washington
Atlanta
Cinsinnati
New Orleans
Chicagoe
Dallas
Oakland
Pittsburgh
Carolina
These are the teams that gave up less sacks than the Texans last season.
Indy
Philly
New England
Denver
San Diego
Buffalo
Detroit
Miami
Minnesota
Kansas City
Seattle
Green Bay
Jacksonville
Cleveland
San Francisco
Tennessee
These are the teams that gave up more sacks than the Texans.
So far this season it looks similar, except even fewer teams have given up less sacks than the Houston Texans.
The point, no... our OL isn't perfect. But neither is any OL in the rest of the league. Some are better, some are worse. Sure, getting better would be a good thing. But... the OL is good enough for a QB to do what he needs to do. No reason for us to upgrade the OT position in lieu of other areas of more pressing needs.
You may not like Derek Newton. He probably doesn't tickle PFF fancies... but he's doing his job as good as just about anyone in the league.
NYJets
Baltimore
NYGiants
Arizona
Tampa Bay
Washington
Atlanta
Cinsinnati
New Orleans
Chicagoe
Dallas
Oakland
Pittsburgh
Carolina
These are the teams that gave up less sacks than the Texans last season.
Indy
Philly
New England
Denver
San Diego
Buffalo
Detroit
Miami
Minnesota
Kansas City
Seattle
Green Bay
Jacksonville
Cleveland
San Francisco
Tennessee
These are the teams that gave up more sacks than the Texans.
So far this season it looks similar, except even fewer teams have given up less sacks than the Houston Texans.
The point, no... our OL isn't perfect. But neither is any OL in the rest of the league. Some are better, some are worse. Sure, getting better would be a good thing. But... the OL is good enough for a QB to do what he needs to do. No reason for us to upgrade the OT position in lieu of other areas of more pressing needs.
You may not like Derek Newton. He probably doesn't tickle PFF fancies... but he's doing his job as good as just about anyone in the league.
But you cannot have all the birds.
You draft Fuller to give the team long speed.
You draft Miller to give the team a playmaker in the short area.
These things are supposed to help the QB, and they did, at various time.
The QB needs to do his job, too.
Osweiler is far from trash, but he needs to get better.
I had reviewed the Colts game.
The O-line did a very good job throughout.
I don't have time to go into all the details of the whole game, but I'll give whatever I have at the moment.
I don't think I'll come back to this game any time soon.
(Will probably take a long look at the Vikings game.)
Obviously, they are just my observations.
As usual, everybody and anybody can have their own.
You draft Fuller to give the team long speed.
You draft Miller to give the team a playmaker in the short area.
These things are supposed to help the QB, and they did, at various time.
The QB needs to do his job, too.
Osweiler is far from trash, but he needs to get better.
I had reviewed the Colts game.
The O-line did a very good job throughout.
I don't have time to go into all the details of the whole game, but I'll give whatever I have at the moment.
I don't think I'll come back to this game any time soon.
(Will probably take a long look at the Vikings game.)
Obviously, they are just my observations.
As usual, everybody and anybody can have their own.
I don't have time to review the analysis to make it more coherent (nor in depth to catch my own misses), so here goes.
All formations with a receiver split wide to each side, unless otherwise noted.
1-10 14:54
11P, Single back shotgun (RB) offset right, Y tight left, X slot, Z slot, U flex right motion to tight right for balance look.
ZBS run (blocking) flow left, LG 71 pulls outside RT (on MLB), Z crashes SLB.
Miller runs right end for 12 yards.
Good blocking by all.
1-10 14:18
12P, Single back Under Center (UC), double TE left, X slot left, Z split right.
5-step drop from under center, quick pass on go route by Hopkins on the right side line to test the water early.
Pass deep right to Hopkins. Clean pocket (good blocking).
50/50 ball that was innacurate, tipped by CB V. Davis and nearly intercepted by the safety 26.
Hopkins outside release, outside position with plenty of room along the side line.
Pass was short and inside with CB trailing.
This is poor ball placement by both counts; ball needs to be long and outside.
2-10 14:10
11P, Single back SG, RB offset left, Y as HB left (lining up away from LT and behind the LOS),
X & F (slot receiver) as double slots left (both are inside the numbers), Z split right (ON - on the numbers)
Max protect.
3-step drop from shotgun play fake to Miller
Pass deep left to the Z (Hopkins) on a 15-yd crossing route from right to left in man coverage.
Clean Pocket.
Incomplete over Hopkins' outreach arms.
The play fake was to draw the LBs toward the LOS in order to gain more room between them and the single deep safety.
(Opening up the throwing window for the QB).
The throw was high, too much on a rope, not enough touch ==> difficult to catch.
3-10 14:05
11P, single back SG, RB offset right, Y strong left,
X off outside numbers, F left, Z outside numbers.
Osweiler had both the TE Y on a 5-yd out route and the X on the left side line (probably on a 10-15 yd fade route)
but for some reason, did not go with either.
It was probably because he didn't think he can step up the pocket
(the defender was pushed to the ground, but Osweiler didn't trust his blocking.)
So the decision was OK.
Around the 3-sec mark, sensing the pressure, Osweiler tried to escape from the pocket to make a run for it.
He was caught from behind; however, and fumbled the ball.
It was almost recovered by a defender.
95 tried to pick the ball up (at the 20 yard line) and run with it, but he let the ball go through his hands.
Miller finally recovered the ball to save disaster from happening.
I don't mind a player trying to make a play, but you've got to be extra careful on this side of the field, near the end zone.
Throw it to the TE or throw it away and live another day is the best choice early in the game.
Don't give the opponent a cheap early lead.
3 and out.
PUNT
Osweiler had two chances for long gains; the poor throws put him in 3rd and long.
This drive was definitely on him.
All formations with a receiver split wide to each side, unless otherwise noted.
1-10 14:54
11P, Single back shotgun (RB) offset right, Y tight left, X slot, Z slot, U flex right motion to tight right for balance look.
ZBS run (blocking) flow left, LG 71 pulls outside RT (on MLB), Z crashes SLB.
Miller runs right end for 12 yards.
Good blocking by all.
1-10 14:18
12P, Single back Under Center (UC), double TE left, X slot left, Z split right.
5-step drop from under center, quick pass on go route by Hopkins on the right side line to test the water early.
Pass deep right to Hopkins. Clean pocket (good blocking).
50/50 ball that was innacurate, tipped by CB V. Davis and nearly intercepted by the safety 26.
Hopkins outside release, outside position with plenty of room along the side line.
Pass was short and inside with CB trailing.
This is poor ball placement by both counts; ball needs to be long and outside.
2-10 14:10
11P, Single back SG, RB offset left, Y as HB left (lining up away from LT and behind the LOS),
X & F (slot receiver) as double slots left (both are inside the numbers), Z split right (ON - on the numbers)
Max protect.
3-step drop from shotgun play fake to Miller
Pass deep left to the Z (Hopkins) on a 15-yd crossing route from right to left in man coverage.
Clean Pocket.
Incomplete over Hopkins' outreach arms.
The play fake was to draw the LBs toward the LOS in order to gain more room between them and the single deep safety.
(Opening up the throwing window for the QB).
The throw was high, too much on a rope, not enough touch ==> difficult to catch.
3-10 14:05
11P, single back SG, RB offset right, Y strong left,
X off outside numbers, F left, Z outside numbers.
Osweiler had both the TE Y on a 5-yd out route and the X on the left side line (probably on a 10-15 yd fade route)
but for some reason, did not go with either.
It was probably because he didn't think he can step up the pocket
(the defender was pushed to the ground, but Osweiler didn't trust his blocking.)
So the decision was OK.
Around the 3-sec mark, sensing the pressure, Osweiler tried to escape from the pocket to make a run for it.
He was caught from behind; however, and fumbled the ball.
It was almost recovered by a defender.
95 tried to pick the ball up (at the 20 yard line) and run with it, but he let the ball go through his hands.
Miller finally recovered the ball to save disaster from happening.
I don't mind a player trying to make a play, but you've got to be extra careful on this side of the field, near the end zone.
Throw it to the TE or throw it away and live another day is the best choice early in the game.
Don't give the opponent a cheap early lead.
3 and out.
PUNT
Osweiler had two chances for long gains; the poor throws put him in 3rd and long.
This drive was definitely on him.
1-10 11:40
21P Straight I, TE Y motion to strong left
Colts show cover 2 zone, but walk SS up to check the run.
ZBS run flow left (strong side)
No push from combo LT/LG
Miller gained 1
2-9 11:07 Ball on left hash marks
11P SG RB offset left, Y left on LOS,
X on numbers, F slot right outside hash marks
Z Hopkins on LOS, outside numbers.
Colts 42 front, SS walk up on Y
RG pulls left
Miller should have followed him, but decided to bounce outside TE, poor choice.
1yd gain.
3-8 10:27 Ball on left HM
10P SG Y flex to just inside numbers left, X
double slot left X outside HM, F between HM and numbers, Z outside numbers
Colts in single deep, SS medium 12 yd off, nickel 8yd off, LCB 7 yd off
X (Hopkins) ran 5-yd out from inside right slot with nobody within 8 yards.
Plenty of room as F and Z were taking defenders with them downfield.
Ball is too far out in front of receiver, incomplete.
Yes, Osweiler had to scramble out of the pocket, but that was still an easy pass to complete.
Just a poor, poor throw - low and away.
3 and out.
PUNT.
Osweiler was put in 3rd and long, but again what shoulda been an easy throw resulted in an incomplete pass.
21P Straight I, TE Y motion to strong left
Colts show cover 2 zone, but walk SS up to check the run.
ZBS run flow left (strong side)
No push from combo LT/LG
Miller gained 1
2-9 11:07 Ball on left hash marks
11P SG RB offset left, Y left on LOS,
X on numbers, F slot right outside hash marks
Z Hopkins on LOS, outside numbers.
Colts 42 front, SS walk up on Y
RG pulls left
Miller should have followed him, but decided to bounce outside TE, poor choice.
1yd gain.
3-8 10:27 Ball on left HM
10P SG Y flex to just inside numbers left, X
double slot left X outside HM, F between HM and numbers, Z outside numbers
Colts in single deep, SS medium 12 yd off, nickel 8yd off, LCB 7 yd off
X (Hopkins) ran 5-yd out from inside right slot with nobody within 8 yards.
Plenty of room as F and Z were taking defenders with them downfield.
Ball is too far out in front of receiver, incomplete.
Yes, Osweiler had to scramble out of the pocket, but that was still an easy pass to complete.
Just a poor, poor throw - low and away.
3 and out.
PUNT.
Osweiler was put in 3rd and long, but again what shoulda been an easy throw resulted in an incomplete pass.
Colts lead 3-0
1-10 @HTN 25 - 5:56 Ball on right HM
20P offset I,
X just inside numbers on LOS, F just inside him, Z (Hopkins) just inside numbers on LOS
Colts in 42 front, single deep safety, CBs press man, nickel off.
Power run. FB misses block, no gain.
2-10 @HTN 25 - 5:23 Ball on right HM
11 SG, RB offset left, Y right
X outside numbers on LOS, F between N & left HM, Z outside numbers on LOS
Colts SS dropped back into two deep before the snap.
Osweiler locked onto X (Hopkins) on a 5-yd in route from outside numbers, in tight coverage.
Ball slightly behind, Hopkins shields off defender to make the catch for 4
3-6 @ HTN 29 - 4:44 Ball on left HM
11P SG, RB offset left, Y in motion and settle as HB right
X outside numbers on LOS, F outside right HM on LOS, Z just to his right off LOS
Osweiler never looked to his right; his reads was just the left half.
X (Hopkins) ran a 10-yd out and was well-covered.
RB Miller ran a flat route to the short left flat, underneath Hopkins - possibly open (he beats the LB slightly)
The only thing Osweiler can see was the Z (Strong) on a shallow crossing route across the middle.
He was well covered. Pass was defended by No. 30
Not much else Osweiler can do here.
It's another 3 and out, nevertheless.
Probably not on Osweiler, but he had the choice between a well-covered receiver and an "open" RB.
No real blame here, except for the FB on first down.
Osweiler was likely to have a completion if he had thrown to the RB.
There's no guarantee he will catch it, nor will he be able to make a first down, but it was a better percentage play, IMO.
1-10 @HTN 25 - 5:56 Ball on right HM
20P offset I,
X just inside numbers on LOS, F just inside him, Z (Hopkins) just inside numbers on LOS
Colts in 42 front, single deep safety, CBs press man, nickel off.
Power run. FB misses block, no gain.
2-10 @HTN 25 - 5:23 Ball on right HM
11 SG, RB offset left, Y right
X outside numbers on LOS, F between N & left HM, Z outside numbers on LOS
Colts SS dropped back into two deep before the snap.
Osweiler locked onto X (Hopkins) on a 5-yd in route from outside numbers, in tight coverage.
Ball slightly behind, Hopkins shields off defender to make the catch for 4
3-6 @ HTN 29 - 4:44 Ball on left HM
11P SG, RB offset left, Y in motion and settle as HB right
X outside numbers on LOS, F outside right HM on LOS, Z just to his right off LOS
Osweiler never looked to his right; his reads was just the left half.
X (Hopkins) ran a 10-yd out and was well-covered.
RB Miller ran a flat route to the short left flat, underneath Hopkins - possibly open (he beats the LB slightly)
The only thing Osweiler can see was the Z (Strong) on a shallow crossing route across the middle.
He was well covered. Pass was defended by No. 30
Not much else Osweiler can do here.
It's another 3 and out, nevertheless.
Probably not on Osweiler, but he had the choice between a well-covered receiver and an "open" RB.
No real blame here, except for the FB on first down.
Osweiler was likely to have a completion if he had thrown to the RB.
There's no guarantee he will catch it, nor will he be able to make a first down, but it was a better percentage play, IMO.
Colts led 10-0 beginning 2nd QTR
1-10 @ HTN 25 - 14:55 Ball in the middle of the field
20P straight I, X on, F slot right, Z on.
Colts in 42 nickel, cover 2
ZBS run flow left
Good blocking, esp from LT and FB inside tackle run for 14.
1-10 @ HTN 39 - 14:24 Ball on left HM
01P SG, RB offset right, Y motion strong right from bunch formation right
X just inside the number On, F inside right slot On, Z outside right slot
Power run.
Good blocking with good hole inside LT, but Miller decided to cut all the way back to outside TE on the right.
Not the best choice IMO, but he still gained 2.
2-8 @HTN 41 - 14:02 Ball on rHM
11P SG, RB offset right, Y strong right
X just outside numbers On, F left slot, Z outside numbers On
Colts in 42 Front
Option run fake right to lure the 2 LBsa and SS up.
F 13 ran shallow crossing route left to right and waw wide open due to the fake.
His man had played off and couldn't catch up.
10yd gain on an easy pass.
1-10 @ IND 49 - 13:23 Ball on rHM
12P UC, double TE left.
X motion to just behind outside TE, Z on the numbers On
False start RT 78 Aboushi
2-15 & HTN 46
11P SG, RB offset left, Y strong right
X outside numbers On, Z right slot off, Z on the numbers On
Colts in 42, cover 2 off man.
LG left double team block early looking to help LT, allowing the RDT to enter the backfield.
Osweiler didn't have a lot of time and hurry a throw off target to 87 incomplete.
2-15 @HTN 46 - Ball on lHM at 13:01
11P SG, RB offset left
Y strong right, X outside numbers On, F left slot, Z in motion to the numbers on the right.
(He was not set when the ball was snapped - The Texans get away with Illegal Motion there)
Colts in 42 front
LG pulls to outside RT, Y blocks out, run between RT and Y
RT and RG combo block not effective.
When RT leaves the combo block, RG allows LDT to slice through to RB
RG recovered, but only after Miller was able to bounce off the tackle.
Good thing that the rest of the blocking was very good, giving Miller time to advance for 7
3-8 @HTN 42.5 - 12:24 Ball on lHM
20P SG, RB offset right, FB offset left
X On between numbers and left HM, F Off in left slot, between him and rHM
Z On on left numbers.
Colts in 42
With 4 seconds, Osweiler still had the ball.
He hesitated.
Z (Hopkins) ran a 5-yd in. The ball should have gone to him, with the SS pedaling back and the LCB trailing Hopkins.
I don't have the All 22 view, so can't tell how "open" Hopkins was.
Regardless, that was Osweiler's best chance to convert, but he didn't take it.
Osweiler was able to escape the rush and finally threw the ball away.
PUNT.
Not entirely on Osweiler (since he had to face third and 8), but it sure looks like he had a chance with Hopkins.
It would have been an easier throw than the one he tried to Strong on the previous drive
1-10 @ HTN 25 - 14:55 Ball in the middle of the field
20P straight I, X on, F slot right, Z on.
Colts in 42 nickel, cover 2
ZBS run flow left
Good blocking, esp from LT and FB inside tackle run for 14.
1-10 @ HTN 39 - 14:24 Ball on left HM
01P SG, RB offset right, Y motion strong right from bunch formation right
X just inside the number On, F inside right slot On, Z outside right slot
Power run.
Good blocking with good hole inside LT, but Miller decided to cut all the way back to outside TE on the right.
Not the best choice IMO, but he still gained 2.
2-8 @HTN 41 - 14:02 Ball on rHM
11P SG, RB offset right, Y strong right
X just outside numbers On, F left slot, Z outside numbers On
Colts in 42 Front
Option run fake right to lure the 2 LBsa and SS up.
F 13 ran shallow crossing route left to right and waw wide open due to the fake.
His man had played off and couldn't catch up.
10yd gain on an easy pass.
1-10 @ IND 49 - 13:23 Ball on rHM
12P UC, double TE left.
X motion to just behind outside TE, Z on the numbers On
False start RT 78 Aboushi
2-15 & HTN 46
11P SG, RB offset left, Y strong right
X outside numbers On, Z right slot off, Z on the numbers On
Colts in 42, cover 2 off man.
LG left double team block early looking to help LT, allowing the RDT to enter the backfield.
Osweiler didn't have a lot of time and hurry a throw off target to 87 incomplete.
2-15 @HTN 46 - Ball on lHM at 13:01
11P SG, RB offset left
Y strong right, X outside numbers On, F left slot, Z in motion to the numbers on the right.
(He was not set when the ball was snapped - The Texans get away with Illegal Motion there)
Colts in 42 front
LG pulls to outside RT, Y blocks out, run between RT and Y
RT and RG combo block not effective.
When RT leaves the combo block, RG allows LDT to slice through to RB
RG recovered, but only after Miller was able to bounce off the tackle.
Good thing that the rest of the blocking was very good, giving Miller time to advance for 7
3-8 @HTN 42.5 - 12:24 Ball on lHM
20P SG, RB offset right, FB offset left
X On between numbers and left HM, F Off in left slot, between him and rHM
Z On on left numbers.
Colts in 42
With 4 seconds, Osweiler still had the ball.
He hesitated.
Z (Hopkins) ran a 5-yd in. The ball should have gone to him, with the SS pedaling back and the LCB trailing Hopkins.
I don't have the All 22 view, so can't tell how "open" Hopkins was.
Regardless, that was Osweiler's best chance to convert, but he didn't take it.
Osweiler was able to escape the rush and finally threw the ball away.
PUNT.
Not entirely on Osweiler (since he had to face third and 8), but it sure looks like he had a chance with Hopkins.
It would have been an easier throw than the one he tried to Strong on the previous drive
Next drive
1-10. An uncatchable pass to 13 Miller. Could have gotten a PI with a better throw.
3-8. Fido had little chance to make the TD unless he's Gronk.
Not a bad decision (unless... can't see if the other 2 receivers had any chance further downfield.)
If neither had a real shot early, then the decision was OK.
Last drive of the half.
Stupid OB for trying to do something there.
Coulda been disaster if something happened.
1-10. An uncatchable pass to 13 Miller. Could have gotten a PI with a better throw.
3-8. Fido had little chance to make the TD unless he's Gronk.
Not a bad decision (unless... can't see if the other 2 receivers had any chance further downfield.)
If neither had a real shot early, then the decision was OK.
Last drive of the half.
Stupid OB for trying to do something there.
Coulda been disaster if something happened.
13:57 fourth quarter
Incomplete pass deep right to Hopkins.
Defender had position deep and inside.
That ball should have been thrown shorter, with the defender playing 8-10 yd off.
Hopkins was never going to run past him.
The Holding Penalty afterward made it hard to extend the drive.
PUNT
Incomplete pass deep right to Hopkins.
Defender had position deep and inside.
That ball should have been thrown shorter, with the defender playing 8-10 yd off.
Hopkins was never going to run past him.
The Holding Penalty afterward made it hard to extend the drive.
PUNT
Scooter
Funky
I've been saying this for years. Look what Dallas is doing. They had someone tell Jerrah to sit down while they built an offensive line. Done. THEN they could start drafting the fun pieces - this year they took the top RB and are watching a 4th round QB and a quick outside receiver wreck defenses. Or, look at the Colts and Texans ... desperately add a bunch of inadequate fun pieces and wonder why they cant do the job. That only works if you have Peyton F'n Manning. For all the changes to the game over the past 50 years, one thing hasn't changed - you win and lose at the line of scrimmage.
Last season Dallas' offensive line gave up 33 sacks.
We gave up 36.
Last season Dallas rushed for 118 ypg.
We ran for 108 ypg. With Alfred Blue as our leading rusher.
Scooter
Funky
I ... **** I don't even know how to respond. I know it's just bait, I know you don't actually think we have a better line than Dallas, and yet I want so bad to make an ass of myself writing a huge post replying to this.
Definitely not what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that maybe things aren't as bad as you think they are.
Point is, if Osweiler couldn't get "comfortable" against the Colts minimal pass rush I'm not sure if he ever will.
I'm rewatching the game and I'm seeing most of the same things 76 pointed out.
There were lots of first half opportunities left on the field by Osweiler's imprecise passes.
BUT....
He got hot at the end so maybe he'll build on that fast finish
I'm rewatching the game and I'm seeing most of the same things 76 pointed out.
There were lots of first half opportunities left on the field by Osweiler's imprecise passes.
BUT....
He got hot at the end so maybe he'll build on that fast finish
badboy
Hall of Fame
well it may be just me but I don't want to see you shaking your baby ass again...
dream_team
Hall of Fame
So we should be more like the team that has only one winning season and one playoff win in the last six seasons? The team that went 4-12 last season? Got it.
Scooter
Funky
A team that is setting themselves up for an extended run, certainly.
Scooter
Funky
well it may be just me but I don't want to see you shaking your baby ass again...
Lol don't lie, I know you and everyone here miss it. I still feel naked(?) without my avatar, though big thanks to FS69 for helping me out again.
Scooter
Funky
Well, they do have Jerry running things, so that's certainly possible.
Until they do... ain't you jealous
I wanted both Elliot and Prescott bad! See there, listen to me next time RS!
Me too. But I knew (everyone did I suppose) that Elliott would be gone waaay before we picked but I figured we had a decent shot at Prescott since everyone was ga-ga about Wentz, Goff, and Lynch.
I was scared to death that O'Brien would snag Hackenberg after he let Lynch slide by, so I was actually relieved when we picked some speed at WR.
On the contrary, I think Prescott could play anywhere. The knock on him was that Miss. St. didn't run anything like a pro-style offense. It was a run option offense. Well, in just one off-season, he's picked up Dallas' "pro style offense" pretty damned well. That tells me the guy is smart, adaptable, and will do what it takes to learn whatever system he's put into.
Who wouldn't want that on their team? Oh, all the other teams in the NFL that passed on him. LOL
And if Derek Carr keeps ballin' like he is now, Cook may be trade bait at the end of his rookie contract. So there's still a chance.
I'm not knocking Prescott. But one of the reasons he appears to be doing so well now, is because Romo got hurt early in the preseason & Dak's been the #1 guy for most of the year, really.
Had he gone to Miami, or Baltimore, or San Diego... we wouldn't think twice about him now... kinda like no one is thinking about Connor Cook but me. Heck, he could have been drafted by the Raiders or Jets & sitting on the bench.
If he came here, he most likely wouldn't have been in the QB competition with Weeden & Savage (if we didn't sign Osweiler).
Then maybe he gets thrown to the wolves on a bad team after running the scout team for weeks.
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-transition-aided-by-familiarity-with-offense
Even though MSU based their offense around the shotgun option the offense is very similar schematically in the passing game with the key difference coming that most of MSU's offense was operated out of shotgun where Dallas utilizes both Shotgun and Singleback especially 11 personnel.
Texian
Hall of Fame
and because he's playing behind the best OL in the NFL.
For some reason, Prescott was a guy that I didn't get to study.
I watched a few of his games, and put him on the back burner; too busy doing other things.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
A lot of teams wanted Elliot. We had no chance at getting him. I don't know why it's being discussed as a guy "we should've gotten".
I agree with you about Dak. I believe the success of a QB has a lot to do with the fit he has with the situation he's in. If Aaron Rodgers was drafted by the Browns and was rushed into the starting role... would he really still be as successful?
Dak has the luxury of having the 2nd best running game in the league. Makes his job a lot easier if he can rely a lot on just handing the ball off to move the chains. He would probably be looked at as a bust if he was starting for the Texans right now.
He still has to make the throws. When Osweiler has good protection (check out the Colts game), his throws are off or late or both. Top flight O-line or not, he STILL has to execute.
Then there's the fact that Prescott can run effectively should the pocket protection break down.
Dak has the luxury of having the 2nd best running game in the league. Makes his job a lot easier if he can rely a lot on just handing the ball off to move the chains. He would probably be looked at as a bust if he was starting for the Texans right now.[/QUOTE]
To me this speaks to the fact that Dallas is doing the right thing by tailoring their playbook to highlight what Prescott already knows/is used to and what he does well. They aren't making him play Tony Romo's offense (not exclusively anyway), they built an offense for Prescott.
Shouldn't we be doing that with Osweiler instead of force-feeding him what O'Brien/Godsey want to see done whether those things play to his strengths or not?