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Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!

Hervoyel said:
The only thing I don't agree with here is that you don't know that yet. You think you know that (I think I do too) but we don't know it yet. It's still early. I'm spooked as hell by what I'm seeing but it's still early.

I keep telling myself it's still too early. The pessimist in my just sees the negative though.
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Hervoyel that's my point as well. I am by no means an Osweiler fanboy but there are good things there along with bad things. No one, not even Bill Belichick or Ron Wolf can definitely say Osweiler will or won't be talented enough to win a championship. He is absolutely a work in progress. I actually agree with 76 that his eyes and delivery are far from what we would typically look/scout for, yet he has the "it" factor of leader and short term memory loss after interceptions. Some of the greatest deliveries and best eye manipulation doesn't instantly equate to success. I remember ESPN and NFL Network harped on Hoyer and his compact delivery and quick release when he was leading Cleveland, and how did that experiment turn out.

76 as far as money goes we had no chance to get Goff or Wentz but I will anxiously watch Lynch's development. He's quirky and definitely has some plus traits but again so does Bortles and how does he look. Winston was lauded as the best football "thrower" since Marino and how is that working out. 18 million per on a short term deal isn't team crippling. Our offensive line injuries and lack of depth drafting in rounds 4-7 is a major issue in regards to our offense, and that is the bigger issue with me, lack of drafting offensive lineman for depth.

Is Osweiler perfect, absolutely not. Was he our best chance to win in the next 2-4 years, when rookies RARELY succeed deep into the postseason, absolutely.

Side note: I like Savage but unless an injury occurred and he was to receive significant playing time he may as well be placed in rookie/first year development category with limited real time experience. The Texans were trying to capitalize on Watt, Cushing, Wilfork, Joseph, etc while we have them.
 
Brisco_County said:
Osweiler is near that pace with 959 yards, 5 touchdowns, and 6 interceptions after 4 games. He has the physical ability to achieve elite status, and demonstrates more accuracy and power than Schaub ever did.
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More arm strength than Schaub but I must disagree on accuracy. Oz is wildly inaccurate.
 
disaacks3 said:
I'm honestly wondering what percentage of Osweiler's picks are passes intended for Hopkins? It feels like the most forced passes he makes are in Nuk's direction.

I get that all QBs need a go-to guy, but it sure feels telegraphed.

Hopkins has 17 total receptions, and at least 4 picks thrown when he was targeted. That's an insanely high number...even at my best-case estimate.
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It's because Oz throws it in Hop's general direction even when he isn't open, expecting him to win a wrestling match.
 
Hervoyel said:
The only thing I don't agree with here is that you don't know that yet. You think you know that (I think I do too) but we don't know it yet. It's still early. I'm spooked as hell by what I'm seeing but it's still early.

I keep telling myself it's still too early. The pessimist in my just sees the negative though.
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I use Bill Walsh's manual.
To me, Lynch grades out higher in college than Osweiler.
That remains the same today, even though Lynch only had over one half of NFL football.

The way they play look totally different to me.

http://www.sportsxchange.com/ds97/walsh/walsh2qb.htm

GWL.
I never liked Bottles as a prospect too much and had said so in the draft forum.
He was not a bad prospect, but he doesn't tick all the boxes in Walsh's manual - for me.
 
If the pressure comes up the middle, a mobile QB will escape to the outside and run for a light years before they stop him.
 
76Texan said:
I use Bill Walsh's manual.
To me, Lynch grades out higher in college than Osweiler.
That remains the same today, even though Lynch only had over one half of NFL football.

The way they play look totally different to me.

http://www.sportsxchange.com/ds97/walsh/walsh2qb.htm

GWL.
I never liked Bottles as a prospect too much and had said so in the draft forum.
He was not a bad prospect, but he doesn't tick all the boxes in Walsh's manual - for me.
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I enjoyed that read, thank you 76. My favorite QB this year is Cooper Rush but after the investment in Oz and my believed trajectory for him once off-season starts I feel Rush moves up boards quickly ala Wentz. Give him a look and let me know your thoughts. I've been high on him for two years.
 
76Texan said:
I use Bill Walsh's manual.
To me, Lynch grades out higher in college than Osweiler.
That remains the same today, even though Lynch only had over one half of NFL football.
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None of us wanted Lynch. During the draft season, not many people here were on the Lynch wagon. Even if it came down to our pick (at the time) I think most would have wanted us to pass. Maybe you were different. I can't remember that. But the talk was pretty much how high we'd have to trade up to get Goff or Wentz.

There wasn't a lot of talk about Osweiler either, before the news was out that the Texans were interested. I (for one) didn't like Osweiler coming out of college & when I found out we were pursuing him, I was like, "Eh..."

You'll see a lot of people argue for Osweiler now, but that's because he is a Texans. If he were in Denver & we had Lynch, I doubt too many people would be distraught.

It is what it is. Can't change the past & no matter how many, "I told you so" or "We should have" is going to change that.
 
JWLCASPER said:
I enjoyed that read, thank you 76. My favorite QB this year is Cooper Rush but after the investment in Oz and my believed trajectory for him once off-season starts I feel Rush moves up boards quickly ala Wentz. Give him a look and let me know your thoughts. I've been high on him for two years.
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I was only able to watch a dozen or so clips of his plays (including 3 Ints).
Good first impressions.
I will need to watch some of his full games.
Thanks for the head-up.

@TK
I had Golf, Wentz, and Lynch at the top (no particular order) in one of the threads I created in the draft forum.

There were few responses.
 
Marcus said:
They need to bring back David Carr and his dink-and-dunk. It was a hell of a lot more entertaining.
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...folks have been strung up for less
 
i absolutely told you guys. only 2 of the interceptions are on brock. the rest are on the receivers. and remember, hes working with the worst ol in the nfl. he is absolutely the truth. making will fuler look like a pro bowler.
 
I've been meaning to say that first quarter we saw from Brock this past Sunday is what I envisioned O'b to get out of him. Hopefully O'b can get two or three quarters like that consistently in the next few weeks.


By play off time, hopefully he'll be able to get three or four qtrs like that.
 
thunderkyss said:
I've been meaning to say that first quarter we saw from Brock this past Sunday is what I envisioned O'b to get out of him. Hopefully O'b can get two or three quarters like that consistently in the next few weeks.


By play off time, hopefully he'll be able to get three or four qtrs like that.
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Problem is that I've never seen a team that had a horrible Oline in the beginning of the season where is got better as the season went on. It always gets worse.
 
Osweiler needs no excuse because of the Oline yada yada.

He has good physical skills; though, like any QB, he can definitely improve on it.

The better he learns the intricacy of the QB position in the NFL, not just on the field, the better his career.

He needs to stop the Woe Me attitude.
His ceiling is higher than Schaub; whether he can reach it is on him.
 
Hervoyel said:
Pity it put us off his brother though. He's everything David Carr was supposed to be.
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Put any QB past and present coming out of the draft when the Texans first started and you most likely would have ruined thier careers as well. There was practically no offensive line to speak of.

Sure they got an injured to the point of retirement Tony Boselli and he was supposed to the the top lineman.

I feel bad for David Carr. He really never had a fighters chance of succeeding.
 
76Texan said:
Osweiler needs no excuse because of the Oline yada yada.

He has good physical skills; though, like any QB, he can definitely improve on it.

The better he learns the intricacy of the QB position in the NFL, not just on the field, the better his career.

He needs to stop the Woe Me attitude.
His ceiling is higher than Schaub; whether he can reach it is on him.
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When has Brock ever shown a "woe is me" attitude? I've never heard him say anything other than he needs to clean up his mistakes
 
otisbean said:
When has Brock ever shown a "woe is me" attitude? I've never heard him say anything other than he needs to clean up his mistakes
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I have to agree. Brock has never thrown a pitty party for himself or the team. Where did this "Woe is me" thing come from any ways?
Brock says they need to make better decisions, work on not making mistakes..etc..etc..etc
But never seems down or deflated in his attitude. On the contrary, he says he has confidence in himself and this team.
He promises to clean it up and get better, and he does every week. He continues to get a little better every week.
The one thing he needs to do is stop trying to force the ball to Hop.
Allow Hop to go through his progressions on the field and get open instead of trying to force it to him. Have more patience and Hop will prove to be the best weapon on the field.
 
76Texan said:
Osweiler needs no excuse because of the Oline yada yada.

He has good physical skills; though, like any QB, he can definitely improve on it.

The better he learns the intricacy of the QB position in the NFL, not just on the field, the better his career.

He needs to stop the Woe Me attitude.
His ceiling is higher than Schaub; whether he can reach it is on him.
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Brock has never had a "woe is me attitude" or blamed anyone else.

He gets back in and plays his game.
 
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I agree with JamTex and DB. I just haven't seen anything like that with Brock. I really like his attitude towards the game. I'd love for him to clean up the Ints and stop forcing the ball to Hop though. I think as the season progresses and he becomes more comfortable in game situations he'll get better and better.
 
Wait. Somebody on the internets said Brock has 'woe is me' moments then checked out of the conversation when called out, so it must be true.
 
seriously, what did the texans staff see in this guy to think he could be a franchise qb?

his height?

his hair?

just breathing the same air as peyton manning?
 
Thorsson said:
It's now time to pad Osweiler's stats to make the front office look good.
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The only reason for padding stats is because Minnesotta kicked our tail at every position and level and have the ability to turn it down a few notches.

It is easy scapegoat Brock Osweiler but from the start he had problems getting adequate time and passing lanes and our defense got hammered early on and it only got worse with the special teams touchdown we gave up.

This was a total loss and I am not so sure putting one of our backups in under the circumstances would have made much if any kind of improvement at all. Maybe we see minimal improvement but this game was over after the first 10 minutes of quarter 1. Our coaches also were outcoached. There is plenty of blame to go around.
 
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I haven't given up on Brock yet. I saw him play twice last year and he had one good game and one horrible game. He hasn't played enough to know if he is really going to stink. After what we have gone through with QB's I was glad they pulled the trigger. If BO stinks after next year, throw him away. Maybe it would help to simplify the offense.
 
Mr. Texan said:
seriously, what did the texans staff see in this guy to think he could be a franchise qb?

his height?

his hair?

just breathing the same air as peyton manning?
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OB liked the way he played against the Patriots and gave his thumbs up before shuffling off to Wisconsin's Pro Day.

in other news Brian Hoyer had a good day for the Chicago Bears.
 
I don't have to see much more. Oz is not the guy. He needs an absolutely clean pocket to succeed. We can't provide that. I already see the PTSD from a handful of games. Whaddya think he's gonna look like by the end of the season?
 
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