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Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!

Brock Osweiler Inside the Numbers

When most look at the Texans day concerning Brock Osweiler and the work he did, most will look at the big picture. Regardless of how one views the statistics, Osweiler made a sizable impact for the entire offense and, on third down, he was the difference maker.

Texans had 20 total 3rd down situations, Osweiler had 15 opportunities that kept the ball in his hands. He made good things happen by going 9 of 13 for 114 yards (69% completion) with 7 first downs and a touchdown, plus two drops in those situations. One of the drops came from RB Tyler Ervin, who would have been short of the first, and the second was a pass to WR DeAndre Hopkins, who had a rare drop in the end zone. Osweiler was also sacked on a drop back and had a scramble for 17 yards on a 3rd and 2 early in the game.

Osweiler showed, on third down, why he was a step above the rest on Sunday and a difference maker against the Chicago Bears.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Brock Osweiler Inside the Numbers

When most look at the Texans day concerning Brock Osweiler and the work he did, most will look at the big picture. Regardless of how one views the statistics, Osweiler made a sizable impact for the entire offense and, on third down, he was the difference maker.
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That's a pretty good article. I'm sitting here trying to act like yesterday's win wasn't no thang... reading that, I can't stop grinning from ear to ear.

That article is about a whole lot more than Oswieler.
 
The main thing I liked from him in this game was his command of the offense...he knew exactly what he was doing & where he was supposed to go with the ball. Also him showing emotion on the sideline b/c he missed fuller deep on that 1 play...that was also a welcome sight, I think we've been missing that fiery type of leader. He's got to get a little better with his accuracy though. his short game inaccuracy was the primary reason why he got intercepted & on more than a few occasions guys were reaching back for the ball (Braxton Miller pass over the middle...Nuk 2nd TD throw). I suspect with more live reps the timing will improve with everyone & it'll get better...but he could also stand to shorten up his stride when he steps forward to throw too....that would help him a bit. Would also like to see him get from under center a little faster as well..I-cak mentioned his playfakes...yeah those definitely need work too.

Overall a solid debut for him though..I liked what I saw.
 
JB said:
Tell me what QB that doesn't apply to? He supposed to catch his passes himself?
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Cute. Tell me he didn't look overmatched, erratic, hasty, off-balance, inaccurate & ugly. I agree he made a difference but there was nowhere to go but up. I expect Savage would have done better and regret that because of the huge money to OZ, Savage won't get a chance. But maybe Savage is not much either. Who knows. Was glad to get away with W.
 
First of all, I was pretty satisfied with Brock's performance yesterday given it's his first real start in this offensive scheme, and only his 8th NFL start. I do recognize that part of that reaction is how low the Texans QB bar has been set ever since the emergence of Bad Schaub, and part of it may have been a function of the competition (although the Bears D last season wasn't horrible, just no better than average).

I do put stock in that 8th NFL start thing. I don't care how much time you've had to be mentored by Peyton Manning, or how you've performed in those 8 starts, anyone who thinks that Brock can't get any better than right now isn't being fair.

Now the key word in that last sentence is "Can't" as opposed to "Won't". Of course it's not a given he'll get any better than he was yesterday, but under the circumstances, he should, and if he doesn't get better over the remainder of this season and next (and not just a little better), then the signing was a failure, and the Texans need to move on. The play fake comment is valid, and it's a good example of what can get better, but in terms of yesterday's flaws, I don't believe there's anything that matters that can't get better, it's just a matter if it does. For example, LZ made a comment this morning regarding Brock's progressions (specifically the instance where it appeared obvious that he was targeting Hopkins from even before the snap), and indicated something to the effect of "That's just the way he is, and it probably isn't going to change". While I'm one of LZ's biggest fans on this board, and seldom disagree with him, I think that's a load of crap. Or more correctly, since I'm making a big distinction between can and will in this post, I think it's something that can and should change. Maybe it won't, but the idea it can't strikes me as just kind of silly.

So in the spirit of this thread, while I don't exactly see Brock being under consideration for MVP at the end of the season, I'm pretty satisfied with the way things have started, and where we are right now but it's a process, and there's a ways to go. Instant gratification would be fun, but long term gratification is more....well, gratifying.
 
TripleTap said:
Cute. Tell me he didn't look overmatched, erratic, hasty, off-balance, inaccurate & ugly. I agree he made a difference but there was nowhere to go but up. I expect Savage would have done better and regret that because of the huge money to OZ, Savage won't get a chance. But maybe Savage is not much either. Who knows. Was glad to get away with W.
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Okay, just in case you weren't recognizing other posters, he didn't. And to think Savage would have played better is pretty laughable as he has done nothing to instill that kind of confidence, unless you're maybe a family member of his?
 
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Os is not as good as I had hoped, he is a lot better than the "experts" thought, he is better than what we had last year, he will get better as the season progresses and can end up being a top 10 QB which is a whole lot better than just being a game manager.

I saw too many passes that needed to be thrown more quickly than they were. All in all our offense is a work in progress but my mid season we should be scoring a lot of points.

I like where this team is headed.
 
I love the way Brock slides and moves around in the pocket.

So unexpected from a tall lanky dude.

And quick throws when he needs to get the ball away.

Directing his players, commanding the offense.

I'm very happy with this signing so far, I think he will only get better and better!
 
BYDS said:
...I saw too many passes that needed to be thrown more quickly than they were...
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I saw this also.Particularly one play where the replay showed the receiver open immediately after his break. By the time Brock threw the ball, he was covered for an incompletion.
 
My only concern with Brock, and I hate to say but IDK if it will ever get corrected, is he get locked on one receiver and waits for the right moment. I don't mind that he threw the INT behind Hopkins a little that happens, but when you have time and you have 2 receiver that have space, go somewhere else. He says he will adjust but it's hard to deviate away from that during the game.
 
Mr teX said:
The main thing I liked from him in this game was his command of the offense...he knew exactly what he was doing & where he was supposed to go with the ball. Also him showing emotion on the sideline b/c he missed fuller deep on that 1 play...that was also a welcome sight, I think we've been missing that fiery type of leader. He's got to get a little better with his accuracy though. his short game inaccuracy was the primary reason why he got intercepted & on more than a few occasions guys were reaching back for the ball (Braxton Miller pass over the middle...Nuk 2nd TD throw). I suspect with more live reps the timing will improve with everyone & it'll get better...but he could also stand to shorten up his stride when he steps forward to throw too....that would help him a bit. Would also like to see him get from under center a little faster as well..I-cak mentioned his playfakes...yeah those definitely need work too.

Overall a solid debut for him though..I liked what I saw.
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We can't expect perfection or high accuracy when recievers are dropping beautiful on the money passes.
 
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ObsiWan said:
Link? This is an interesting data set and I'd like to read the article that accompanies this graph.
(and find out why FitzMagic got an extra big dot... :hmmm: LoL)
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On a scatterplot, you can see the line of Newton/Wentz/Wilson that acts as a natural demarcation for the lower quadrant. Fitz is the only QB in that lower quadrant. That earns him something special, even if it is just a one game sample size.
 
sandman said:
On a scatterplot, you can see the line of Newton/Wentz/Wilson that acts as a natural demarcation for the lower quadrant. Fitz is the only QB in that lower quadrant. That earns him something special, even if it is just a one game sample size.
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Yeah.... maybe.
I suspect this was posted by an irate Jets fan/media guy who wanted to illustrate how FitzMagic sucked this week
 
ObsiWan said:
Link? This is an interesting data set and I'd like to read the article that accompanies this graph.
(and find out why FitzMagic got an extra big dot... :hmmm: LoL)
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@fbgchase on Twitter. No accompanying article I could see
 
Until he proves otherwise he's just "Taller David Carr"

He better not vow to not cut his hair until the Texans clinch the division or some stupid BS like that.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm not seeing Osweiler=Carr... He was throwing some pretty good balls last night. Didn't run into any sacks. He wasn't checking down all day...

He had a bad day. Not denying that.
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And he didn't run out of bounds behind the LOS even once
 
I never played the game obviously but staring down the receiver seems to me to be like one of the easiest things in the world to spot a QB doing if you're scouting him (for an upcoming game or because you're thinking of handing him one of those giant cardboard novelty $72 million dollar checks) so I don't even understand how a HC or an OC worth having could not know that a particular player has a problem with this if they took the time to look. Now maybe they saw that he had that problem but talked to him and thought they could work that out but I just don't get it.

It also seems like something that a QB who was in the habit of doing it but who wanted to improve could shake if he put the effort into it. At this level you have think that any QB still doing it isn't going to lose the habit without great effort and probably will still fall back to doing it if he gets rattled.
 
Hervoyel said:
I never played the game obviously but staring down the receiver seems to me to be like one of the easiest things in the world to spot a QB doing if you're scouting him (for an upcoming game or because you're thinking of handing him one of those giant cardboard novelty $72 million dollar checks) so I don't even understand how a HC or an OC worth having could not know that a particular player has a problem with this if they took the time to look. Now maybe they saw that he had that problem but talked to him and thought they could work that out but I just don't get it.

It also seems like something that a QB who was in the habit of doing it but who wanted to improve could shake if he put the effort into it. At this level you have think that any QB still doing it isn't going to lose the habit without great effort and probably will still fall back to doing it if he gets rattled.
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You have to consider the agenda of the person who said that's what he was doing.
 
its not brocks fault. the oline sucksssssss. they had so many defenders playing the pass. our run game sucked and they were playing the pass. the only thing they were giving us is the throw to the te. its on the playcalling not brock. not brock. how about some rb screen passes and crossing routes underneath. bad playcalling.
 
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ChampionTexan said:
First of all, I was pretty satisfied with Brock's performance yesterday given it's his first real start in this offensive scheme, and only his 8th NFL start. I do recognize that part of that reaction is how low the Texans QB bar has been set ever since the emergence of Bad Schaub, and part of it may have been a function of the competition (although the Bears D last season wasn't horrible, just no better than average).

I do put stock in that 8th NFL start thing. I don't care how much time you've had to be mentored by Peyton Manning, or how you've performed in those 8 starts, anyone who thinks that Brock can't get any better than right now isn't being fair.

Now the key word in that last sentence is "Can't" as opposed to "Won't". Of course it's not a given he'll get any better than he was yesterday, but under the circumstances, he should, and if he doesn't get better over the remainder of this season and next (and not just a little better), then the signing was a failure, and the Texans need to move on. The play fake comment is valid, and it's a good example of what can get better, but in terms of yesterday's flaws, I don't believe there's anything that matters that can't get better, it's just a matter if it does. For example, LZ made a comment this morning regarding Brock's progressions (specifically the instance where it appeared obvious that he was targeting Hopkins from even before the snap), and indicated something to the effect of "That's just the way he is, and it probably isn't going to change". While I'm one of LZ's biggest fans on this board, and seldom disagree with him, I think that's a load of crap. Or more correctly, since I'm making a big distinction between can and will in this post, I think it's something that can and should change. Maybe it won't, but the idea it can't strikes me as just kind of silly.

So in the spirit of this thread, while I don't exactly see Brock being under consideration for MVP at the end of the season, I'm pretty satisfied with the way things have started, and where we are right now but it's a process, and there's a ways to go. Instant gratification would be fun, but long term gratification is more....well, gratifying.
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Sounds to me like LZ is correct in his assessment.

I don't hate any player (never did).
I still don't see Osweiler to be any more than a mediocre QB.
ChampionTexan said:
First of all, I was pretty satisfied with Brock's performance yesterday given it's his first real start in this offensive scheme, and only his 8th NFL start. I do recognize that part of that reaction is how low the Texans QB bar has been set ever since the emergence of Bad Schaub, and part of it may have been a function of the competition (although the Bears D last season wasn't horrible, just no better than average).

I do put stock in that 8th NFL start thing. I don't care how much time you've had to be mentored by Peyton Manning, or how you've performed in those 8 starts, anyone who thinks that Brock can't get any better than right now isn't being fair.

Now the key word in that last sentence is "Can't" as opposed to "Won't". Of course it's not a given he'll get any better than he was yesterday, but under the circumstances, he should, and if he doesn't get better over the remainder of this season and next (and not just a little better), then the signing was a failure, and the Texans need to move on. The play fake comment is valid, and it's a good example of what can get better, but in terms of yesterday's flaws, I don't believe there's anything that matters that can't get better, it's just a matter if it does. For example, LZ made a comment this morning regarding Brock's progressions (specifically the instance where it appeared obvious that he was targeting Hopkins from even before the snap), and indicated something to the effect of "That's just the way he is, and it probably isn't going to change". While I'm one of LZ's biggest fans on this board, and seldom disagree with him, I think that's a load of crap. Or more correctly, since I'm making a big distinction between can and will in this post, I think it's something that can and should change. Maybe it won't, but the idea it can't strikes me as just kind of silly.

So in the spirit of this thread, while I don't exactly see Brock being under consideration for MVP at the end of the season, I'm pretty satisfied with the way things have started, and where we are right now but it's a process, and there's a ways to go. Instant gratification would be fun, but long term gratification is more....well, gratifying.
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I'd like to hear your take today.

BTW, that play fake looks as bad as ever.
That and his long windup didn't help him at all, I don't think.
 
76Texan said:
Sounds to me like LZ is correct in his assessment.
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I'd like to hear your take today.
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Because if I believe that he's still a work in process after 8 starts, I should also believe that process ends after 2 more starts?

1. The fact that you come in two games later with a post like this tells me the only two things you care about are a.) being right, and b.) shoving it in other folks faces when (you believe) they are wrong.

While that in and of itself is kind of pathetic, let's go back to my post that you appeared to take such joy in quoting:
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Now the key word in that last sentence is "Can't" as opposed to "Won't". Of course it's not a given he'll get any better than he was yesterday, but under the circumstances, he should, and if he doesn't get better over the remainder of this season and next (and not just a little better), then the signing was a failure, and the Texans need to move on.
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For some silly reason (perhaps call it hoping for the best but understanding it doesn't always work out that way), I don't feel much different about my post that when I wrote it, and I don't really feel like games 9 and 10 gave us all the remaining insight that games 1-8 didn't. I didn't predict he'd be great, I just said he had to get better, but that he could get better (all the while making a point to distinguish the difference between could and would). I don't feel even a teeny bit different today (and newsflash 76 - there is no possible outcome for the Brock Osweiler experiment that could make my post wrong!)
 
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I'm not seeing Osweiler=Carr... He was throwing some pretty good balls last night. Didn't run into any sacks. He wasn't checking down all day...

He had a bad day. Not denying that.
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Agreed.

My thing is why did the coaching staff set him up to fail in this game with that BS vanilla game plan.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Because if I believe that he's still a work in process after 8 starts, I should also believe that process ends after 2 more starts?

1. The fact that you come in two games later with a post like this tells me the only two things you care about are a.) being right, and b.) shoving it in other folks faces when (you believe) they are wrong.

While that in and of itself is kind of pathetic, let's go back to my post that you appeared to take such joy in quoting:


For some silly reason (perhaps call it hoping for the best but understanding it doesn't always work out that way), I don't feel much different about my post that when I wrote it, and I don't really feel like games 9 and 10 gave us all the remaining insight that games 1-8 didn't. I didn't predict he'd be great, I just said he had to get better, but that he could get better (all the while making a point to distinguish the difference between could and would). I don't feel even a teeny bit different today (and newsflash 76 - there is no possible outcome for the Brock Osweiler experiment that could make my post wrong!)
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You're taking it the wrong way, CT.

I'm just interested in your up-to-date assessment, especially regarding what LZ said that you disagreed with.

I'm thinking more in the line "whether you're seeing a hint of a change here and there" on Osweiler's process to become a better QB.

That's all.
 
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