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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

IDEXAN said:
Clowney would have had not just one but several sacks last night if not for the constant holding by the Saints offensive lineman he was dominating.
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Holding?
They flat tackled him on more than one occasion. And by my count they only called holding once or twice.
 
IDEXAN said:
Clowney would have had not just one but several sacks last night if not for the constant holding by the Saints offensive lineman he was dominating.
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If they would just call the holds, his impact on the game is much bigger.

I wonder what they were doing. I know teams get away with holding all the time, but these were just egregious. Back to back plays & nothing subtle about them at all.
 
IDEXAN said:
Clowney would have had not just one but several sacks last night if not for the constant holding by the Saints offensive lineman he was dominating.
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I agree about the holding, but Clowney was going against a reserve most of the night. He needs more reps to work on getting off lineman with his hands. Clowney is improving but not there yet.
 
Good game! When he figures out to incorporate a secondary rush move he may start acting a fool.
 
Lucky said:
I agree about the holding, but Clowney was going against a reserve most of the night. He needs more reps to work on getting off lineman with his hands. Clowney is improving but not there yet.
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His 2 most disruptive plays were against a 2015 1st round draft pick & starter for the saints in Andrus Peat, and a 2013 1st team all pro...& starter in Zach Strief....He pretty much ran over both them dudes on his way to a sack & qb hit. I'd say he more than held his own against the starters.
 
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Lucky said:
I agree about the holding, but Clowney was going against a reserve most of the night. He needs more reps to work on getting off lineman with his hands. Clowney is improving but not there yet.
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The cat taking him to the ground by the neck was about as obvious as any of them. Ref must've been watching the cheerleaders

I think most everyone knows how good Clowney can be. He's just got to stay on the field long enough to show it. I agree, he definitely needs to work on keeping hands off him. Although, he did have 1 play where he used some sort of wax on wax off move to keep the olineman from getting a grasp of him...and it worked. He chopped with his right hand off the ball, then with the left as he was beginning to round the edge. It was nice, but yes, he needs to keep improving
 
Mr teX said:
His 2 most disruptive plays were against a 2015 1st round draft pick & starter for the saints in Andrus Peat, and a 2013 1st team all pro...& starter in Zach Strief....He pretty much ran over both them dudes on his way to a sack & qb hit. I'd say he more than held his own against the starters.
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I was looking for that post post exactly what you just did. Good catch
 
After slamming his hands into the chest of New Orleans Saints offensive tackle Andrus Peat as he bull-rushed him into the backfield Saturday night, Texans outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney discarded him and closed in on his target: quarterback Drew Brees.

Clowney sacked the Pro Bowl quarterback for a 14-yard loss, displaying a glimpse of his vast potential after being sidelined for a week with a sore knee.


It was an encouraging moment for the former top overall pick, leaving the Texans coaching staff hoping to see more from Clowney going forward.

"I like the sack that he got," Texans defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel said. "I like that he was physical. It looks like his effort was good. Hopefully, we'll keep getting that."

At 6-5, 265 pounds with 4.53 speed in the 40-yard dash, Clowney is extremely athletic and strong. What he's been doing in games, though, to create penetration has primarily revolved around his strength and speed.
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http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Jadeveon-Clowney-s-progress-pleases-Texans-9179565.php
JD was really impressive on Saturday night ! I wonder, anybody know if Texian has been to Academy yet to get his own #90 jersey ?
 
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Things must be going good for JD if it's almost a week between thread bumps. What impressed me most about Clowney on Sunday against the Cards was his hustle. He must be feeling pretty good if he's chasing sideline to sideline, and that's really the most important aspect of where he is. Good things could be ahead, especially against a weak Bears O-line.
 
He was definitely getting winded but gotta give him props as he stayed in and keep playing. You could tell he was slowing down and was losing his quick first step once the winded part took over. I love seeing him out there making plays and causing havoc.
 
Lucky said:
Things must be going good for JD if it's almost a week between thread bumps. What impressed me most about Clowney on Sunday against the Cards was his hustle. He must be feeling pretty good if he's chasing sideline to sideline, and that's really the most important aspect of where he is. Good things could be ahead, especially against a weak Bears O-line.
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Especially if "I" am the one bumping it. Lol!

I watched him a lot, and I saw a lot of plays where the lineman didn't block him, and the RB's assignment was to try and block him. It was way to difficult for them to stop him once he was able to get that downhill full speed with momentum. He was simply to big and quick for them, and they almost looked useless. The plays where he was being blocked, he still seems to struggle to get guys hands off of him. He needs to improve there, but his hustle was improved.
 
Lucky said:
Things must be going good for JD if it's almost a week between thread bumps.
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Maybe it's the fact that it's preseason and pretty much nobody gives a crap. It's not like teams are game planning or anything. We'll see how he does in the regular season and whether he manages to stay healthy for longer than 24 hours.
 
Texans' Jadeveon Clowney may get more snaps at defensive end

Don't be surprised if Jadeveon Clowney continues to play right defensive end rather than outside linebacker.

The coaches are being coy about how Clowney will be used against Kansas City, but he played well enough in the 23-14 victory over Chicago that the defense is better with him at end.

It was the first time Clowney has played exclusively at defensive end in coordinator Romeo Crennel's 3-4.http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-Jadeveon-Clowney-may-get-more-snaps-at-9225666.php
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If he can stay healthy (I know), I think the Clowney that we see now and the one that finishes the season will be noticeably different players. I wasn't big on drafting him, but JD flashed the type of ridiculousness that Charles Spencer did right out of the gate - a true 'wow' followed by a string of 4 letter words. Clowney blasted off the line like Lawrence Taylor and there were times that it looked like he had 15ft arms. Some of that is showing up again. Check out the videos that are popping up, he's able to put his hands on offensive linemen and move them at will quite often. He's got no hips and will probably always struggle to flatten and turn the corner, but if he can develop his hands and return even most of that athleticism he still has a VERY good chance of being a dominant player. Being able to apply coaching against real opponents, especially with his hands, is where he's going to get better every game.
 
Scooter said:
If he can stay healthy (I know), I think the Clowney that we see now and the one that finishes the season will be noticeably different players. I wasn't big on drafting him, but JD flashed the type of ridiculousness that Charles Spencer did right out of the gate - a true 'wow' followed by a string of 4 letter words. Clowney blasted off the line like Lawrence Taylor and there were times that it looked like he had 15ft arms. Some of that is showing up again. Check out the videos that are popping up, he's able to put his hands on offensive linemen and move them at will quite often. He's got no hips and will probably always struggle to flatten and turn the corner, but if he can develop his hands and return even most of that athleticism he still has a VERY good chance of being a dominant player. Being able to apply coaching against real opponents, especially with his hands, is where he's going to get better every game.
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Very good assessment. The Texans need to continue putting Clowney in positions to take advantage of the points you asserted.
 
gs27 said:
Very good assessment. The Texans need to continue putting Clowney in positions to take advantage of the points you asserted.
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IMO that is repetition. I don't think think Clowney should move too much across the line this season. I know that Romeo is trying to figure out how to creatively combine his rushers, but I would put Clowney's development at the forefront. Let him play on the right at 7 or 9, whether that's standing or in a 3 point stance, his progress can very well decide games later this year. That progress could also fall apart completely if asked to do too much and play the entire line.

Don't quote this, I'm about to say something potentially stupid, but I worry that Watt may be almost a hindrance this season. I've said for years that he's most suited to play inside, that's where his hands and moves and talent can truly change games. Part of that was contingent on having guys outside who could take advantage, which we didn't before and needed him everywhere but now we finally have. If Watt were able to play inside at that level he'd have both Mercilus and Clowney running free to the quarterback. Between the groin and back and other undisclosed core issues, I worry that Watt may not be that player this year - he was manhandled in game 1 and looked hurt/weak. A front four of Clowney, Wilfork, Watt, Mercilus would be how the Giants won a Superbowl - but Watt may need to play outside to prevent re-injury as well as give him a chance to use talent over hindered physical ability. That forces subs and/or stunts in the middle to keep our rushers on the field. With the way Mercilus and Clowney played in game 1 compared to Watt, combined with Covington's emergence, our best front 4 may not include Watt.
 
Scooter said:
IMO that is repetition. I don't think think Clowney should move too much across the line this season. I know that Romeo is trying to figure out how to creatively combine his rushers, but I would put Clowney's development at the forefront. Let him play on the right at 7 or 9, whether that's standing or in a 3 point stance, his progress can very well decide games later this year. That progress could also fall apart completely if asked to do too much and play the entire line.

Don't quote this, I'm about to say something potentially stupid, but I worry that Watt may be almost a hindrance this season. I've said for years that he's most suited to play inside, that's where his hands and moves and talent can truly change games. Part of that was contingent on having guys outside who could take advantage, which we didn't before and needed him everywhere but now we finally have. If Watt were able to play inside at that level he'd have both Mercilus and Clowney running free to the quarterback. Between the groin and back and other undisclosed core issues, I worry that Watt may not be that player this year - he was manhandled in game 1 and looked hurt/weak. A front four of Clowney, Wilfork, Watt, Mercilus would be how the Giants won a Superbowl - but Watt may need to play outside to prevent re-injury as well as give him a chance to use talent over hindered physical ability. That forces subs and/or stunts in the middle to keep our rushers on the field. With the way Mercilus and Clowney played in game 1 compared to Watt, combined with Covington's emergence, our best front 4 may not include Watt.
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I know this is heresy, but I don't Watt to be that 20-sack season guy anymore. He was doing that because he had to do EVERYTHING and was grinding himself down because of it. This off-season was case in point. Now that they have Mercilus and Clowney that appear to be establishing themselves, I want Watt to be around 13-15 sacks, take a series off, get back to being JJ Swatt on his batted balls, create the general havoc he is known for and not be all about getting the sack. He doesn't HAVE to do everything now, but he can show that he CAN do everything and not ruin his body in the process.
 
sandman said:
I know this is heresy, but I don't Watt to be that 20-sack season guy anymore. He was doing that because he had to do EVERYTHING and was grinding himself down because of it. This off-season was case in point. Now that they have Mercilus and Clowney that appear to be establishing themselves, I want Watt to be around 13-15 sacks, take a series off, get back to being JJ Swatt on his batted balls, create the general havoc he is known for and not be all about getting the sack. He doesn't HAVE to do everything now, but he can show that he CAN do everything and not ruin his body in the process.
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I'm with you 100%. I just don't think Watt has the physical ability left to be that phenom this year. I worry that we could spend the entire season sacrificing Mercilus and Clowney to the greater good of Watt ... and it's a 300lb defensive end with a bad back and broken core. I would rather spend our time building Mercilus and Clowney, and ease Watt into a role where he can make a mess between those two (because Watt on one leg vs a guard is still usually a win) - if our outside rush is as nasty as it looks, Watt could hit 15 sacks on crippled effort.
 
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Watt's play picked up in the 2nd half. In the 1st half he was playing alot of snaps in 1-3 then moved out to playing mostly 5-7 similar to last year in the 2nd half. IMO he was playing stiff and mechanical early on, not sure if that was rust or because he was playing inside.

The way B-Mac and Bullough played in the 2nd half allowed us alot more freedom to get Merci, Clowney, Simon and Watt in advantageous alignments without so much concern for gap discipline. If we keep getting that kind of play from our ILBs it will be a really long season for opposing offenses.

I agree Clowney is best at 7-9 and I would keep his hand in the dirt, play the same as JPP in Giants run, particularly against the Pats! Key to being able to do this is B-Mac and Bullough's ability to play cleanup.
 
gs27 said:
Watt's play picked up in the 2nd half. In the 1st half he was playing alot of snaps in 1-3 then moved out to playing mostly 5-7 similar to last year in the 2nd half. IMO he was playing stiff and mechanical early on, not sure if that was rust or because he was playing inside.
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He'd probably never say it, but i think he himself wasn't even sure of how his body would respond after the back surgery. As such he took the whole 1st half against the beats to ease himself into the game while also shaking off rust and getting his wind back. I honestly don't think we'll see him back to his normal self again until about week 4 or 8 when he has truly gained the confidence back that he won't reinjure his back again. By that time, he will have played through a short & long week (NE/DEN) and gotten an idea of how his body will respond to both. Overall though i was happy with what i saw from him sunday. Anyone thinking he was gonna come back & destroy everything like he usually does, well they were just being unrealistic.
 
Mr teX said:
He'd probably never say it, but i think he himself wasn't even sure of how his body would respond after the back surgery. As such he took the whole 1st half against the beats to ease himself into the game while also shaking off rust and getting his wind back. I honestly don't think we'll see him back to his normal self again until about week 4 or 8 when he has truly gained the confidence back that he won't reinjure his back again. By that time, he will have played through a short & long week (NE/DEN) and gotten an idea of how his body will respond to both. Overall though i was happy with what i saw from him sunday. Anyone thinking he was gonna come back & destroy everything like he usually does, well they were just being unrealistic.
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Toward the end of the game when the Bears were in throw-it-all-the-time comeback mode he was able to just tee off on them and he seemed to really be starting to get a rhythm going and looked much more like himself. Sure he was tired and he won't be himself for quite a while but I think what you're saying is very true. Watt just didn't start that game with the kind of confidence in his body that he's always had. Those injuries piling up on him like that may have robbed him of that "invincibility" feeling he always seemed to carry around. Totally apart from how long it will take him to really be physically ready to play football (much less play like J.J. Watt) he's got to get his head back to right and that confidence back. I agree with Scooter for the most part in that he needs to be playing inside and not trying to (seemingly) do it all himself all the time. Him and Wilfork inside, that's kind of scary. That's a recipe for a QB never being able to step up into a pocket in a game (even once).

Mercilus and Clowney (and Simon to some extent) should be able to feast on that and with them coming Watt should get his 13-15 sacks a season too. Hell if Clowney does what he's capable of doing Watt might see 20 sacks again before it's all over. It might even be easier than some of his earlier 20 sacks seasons if he's in the right place at the right time and not playing himself into a wheelchair that year.
 
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ObsiWan said:
Anyone recall if Watt used that back brace in the game? I couldn't tell.
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It wasn't visible to me, but Doc said that he would be wearing a brace as part of his rehab. I'm fairly sure that he did, but like you I wasn't able to tell definitively.
 
I'd rather Watt sit a game or two. Come back when he is fully healthy, because he is a lot more likely to get injured again or to cause another injury. I'd rather have a healthy full Watt for 12 or 13 games, then an off and on nagging injuries Watt that is less effective with a higher % of getting injured somewhere else.
 
Texecutioner said:
I'd rather Watt sit a game or two. Come back when he is fully healthy, because he is a lot more likely to get injured again or to cause another injury. I'd rather have a healthy full Watt for 12 or 13 games, then an off and on nagging injuries Watt that is less effective with a higher % of getting injured somewhere else.
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What would they use to say he is fully healthy? I'm not trying to be argumentative but the man says he's fully healthy & ready to play.

He participated fully in Wednesday's practice but limited Thursday & Friday. I wonder if they are being overly cautious, or if he's experiencing pain or swelling.

If there was something concrete, pain & swelling, I could see & would support sitting him out this week. & follow that same protocol until he's 100% through the whole week. But then, he'll probably try to hide any pain he's experiencing, if he were experiencing pain.
 
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What would they use to say he is fully healthy? I'm not trying to be argumentative but the man says he's fully healthy & ready to play.

He participated fully in Wednesday's practice but limited Thursday & Friday. I wonder if they are being overly cautious, or if he's experiencing pain or swelling.

If there was something concrete, pain & swelling, I could see & would support sitting him out this week. & follow that same protocol until he's 100% through the whole week. But then, he'll probably try to hide any pain he's experiencing, if he were experiencing pain.
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Well I don't know. I'm just basing this off of pure speculation since he wasn't going to play before, and then decided to. He didn't look 100% to me last week either. Could he be? Sure. I'm just basing this off of what led up to game one and the eye test. If he is fully healthy, then of course I want him out there.
 
Texecutioner said:
Well I don't know. I'm just basing this off of pure speculation since he wasn't going to play before, and then decided to. He didn't look 100% to me last week either. Could he be? Sure. I'm just basing this off of what led up to game one and the eye test. If he is fully healthy, then of course I want him out there.
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Jj said he was going to play three weeks before the season started. O'b tried to play it off, didn't want to get everyone's hopes up, just in case.

As far as the eyeball... hard to say. He only had a week of practice where everyone else had been practicing since May.
 
Texecutioner said:
Well I don't know. I'm just basing this off of pure speculation since he wasn't going to play before, and then decided to. He didn't look 100% to me last week either. Could he be? Sure. I'm just basing this off of what led up to game one and the eye test. If he is fully healthy, then of course I want him out there.
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Here's the problem with that. If he's coming back prematurely (and I wouldn't put that past J.J. for a minute), he's not going to look 100% because he's not. If he's coming back not prematurely (for lack of a better way of putting it), he's still not going to look 100% because of a laundry list of reasons stemming from both the complete lack of an off-season/training camp, and the mental aspect of coming back from such an injury (and I guess "injury" should actually be "injuries"). Even J.J. can't be sharp, and he can't be in football shape at this point in time.

I do wonder - under those circumstances - about limiting his practice on Thursday, but I've got to believe J.J.'s the one driving this train, and for those of us hoping for big things from the D this season, all we can do is hope that he's not premature, and the sharpness and stamina and mental confidence come around quickly. We can also hope that guys like Mercilus, Clowney, and Kevin Johnson show enough growth/continued growth that it's a strong Defense regardless of J.J.'s status.
 
thunderkyss said:
75 was supposed to wham Clowney. But Clowney was soooo fast, he didn't have a chance.
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More like Reid was so slow that he didn't have a chance. For the Chiefs, he has a sum total of 1 1/2 games under his belt as an OG. He is unathletic, slow, and has some of the worse footwork on any current OL.........more so after his turf toe surgery. He was a last-minute desperation OG sub for the Chiefs. He's a castoff of the Ravens who was shown absolutely no interest except by the Chiefs because of his quickly down-turning performance.
 
When a Texan makes a good play... is it always because the other player sucked or was injured? Looked to me like Clowney got off the ball and up field pretty fast.

Probably what will always be saddest about Clowney, he will flash just enough to always make you wonder what kind of career he could have had.
 
I didn't say it ended, but it has been pretty well derailed by injuries up to this point, with a significant chance that he never regains his pre-injury ability (consistently) and/or has a shortened career due to the micro fracture.

Very slim chance he ever lives up to the 1st overall pick status, doesn't prevent him from becoming a solid player for the Texans for however long he can go.

If he proves any of that wrong and becomes a perennial all pro, well all the better, but highly unlikely.
 
He's looking pretty good so far and flashing some of the talent that made him a #1 overall. I really like the speed he offers when QB's have to break contain, he ran down Smith on one play that is usually a good gain for them.

Needs to stay on the field and break the "injury prone" stigma he carries so far.
 
if Clowney had caught that lateral Pass and took it back for six the place would of went nutz

IDK he kinda disappeared in the 3rd n 4th what happened ..???
 
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