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Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!

TxnsJuggernaut said:
Brian Hoyer got a whole season under our system and if we could put the playoff game out of our minds we would see that he would have made for a solid back up.

Yes we all are butt hurt over how the playoff game went but Brian did a adequate job when he played before then. Usually back ups come in for only a short period of time and Brian is plenty good enough to have done that for our team. Just an opinion I share with a limited few.
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HOyer largely looked good when we were already buried. HE was not able to really do it when teams had the pressure on. BAckup at best, but some guys need a new team and his head was scrambled enough to not take a flyer
 
Scooter said:
1. How does disliking decisions made by the team make someone less of a fan? If everybody left with bad coaching and quarterback hires, there would be 32 empty stadiums.

2. Rational has nothing to do with being a fan lol.
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Fair enough, was just curious. Continue hating who you want.
 
Scooter said:
There's nothing better for a jaded fan than to be proven wrong, and I hope that I am. I'll be here wearing my Osweiler jersey rooting for him. This isn't game day though, on the forum I'm going to post my thoughts on the the team and what I think of their decisions - especially the ones I don't believe are going to make us winners.
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That's all gravy and rice Scooter. I will be here as well posting my thoughts on each game. Fingers crossed on my gut feelings becoming reality. My gut feelings is saying, "THIS IS THE YEAR".
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Can't fix all holes at once.

The Texans HAVE invested in the Oline.

Brown 1st rounder signed to good contract.
Sua filo 32nd pick.

Nick Martin 2nd rounder

Allen Good FA signing.

Newton retained on a good deal.

Clark Traded for and retained.

Bergstrom FA signing.



The team has invested there. Sua filo hasn't done much and we've had a bunch of injuries. There's not going to be a bunch of studs waiting to back those guys up. Nobody has that luxury.

I'd say all things considered they've done pretty well filling the holes left by injured OLine starters up to this point.

But nobody loses 3 projected oline starters and doesn't feel that.
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Another ClutchCity Hall of Famer.

Agreed

We have invested plenty attention to the offensive line. Unfortanely the injury bug has attacked our line. I surely hope Brown is at least ready by week 3 and Newton is fully ready to go by week 1.
 
PapaL said:
They've invested in the interior, no doubt about that. Trading a 7th for a swing, drafting Nick Mondek with a 6th, Q with a 6th, and Newton with a 7th isn't investing IMO. We've all known that Brown is probably on the decline. Nevermind that we knew going into the off-season that he had a serious injury. 2013 is the last year we drafted/brought in a young tackle
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Where would we have drafted that guy and do we cut brown? I'm not a cap guy so how does that affect the cap?

If we are cutting brown do we feel tons better about the oline with a young guy at LT instead of Clark?

I dunno.

Just asking because these are the things I think about. Can't just add a young a guy to the roster. Have to give something and then weigh the reward against what you'd have had to give up instead.

I can tell you right now I'd rather have all the skill guys we drafted this year rather than replace them with a young OL at tackle that would likely struggle as a rookie protecting Brock anyways.

I think next draft we could see a tackle drafted pretty high if not in the first.
 
They will find Brown's replacement in next years draft.

They will continue to attempt/invest in the Offensive line until the holes are completely filled.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Another ClutchCity Hall of Famer.

Agreed

We have invested plenty attention to the offensive line. Unfortanely the injury bug has attacked our line. I surely hope Brown is at least ready by week 3 and Newton is fully ready to go by week 1.
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Who is?
 
WE had to remake the offense and their is only so many draft picks. I love the fact in FA we got the best YOUNG QB with upside for cash, we got the best FA RB, and solidified the line with Allen, Bergstrom not so sure yet.

THen we drafted weapons for the new QB and tried to solidify the line. PErsonally no matter where you were with Rick and OB, you have to applaud them having a vision and executing well to completely remake that mess we had against the Chiefs called an offense.

ALternatives, trade all picks for unproven GOff or Wentz and give them Blue and Dhop to work with? FUll rebuilding mode. I think we skipped rebuilding, and if Oz flames out after two years we are not that invested and we only then have to fill that QB hole as sure as heck next year we go oliNE
 
WE had to remake the offense and their is only so many draft picks. I love the fact in FA we got the best YOUNG QB with upside for cash, we got the best FA RB, and solidified the line with Allen, Bergstrom not so sure yet.

THen we drafted weapons for the new QB and tried to solidify the line. PErsonally no matter where you were with Rick and OB, you have to applaud them having a vision and executing well to completely remake that mess we had against the Chiefs called an offense.

ALternatives, trade all picks for unproven GOff or Wentz and give them Blue and Dhop to work with? FUll rebuilding mode. I think we skipped rebuilding, and if Oz flames out after two years we are not that invested and we only then have to fill that QB hole as sure as heck next year we go oliNE
 
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sandman said:
Trying so hard not to derail this thread. Or get banned. :D #ThatsWhatSheSaid

Brock is MVP only if this Oline can give him time. Or keep him upright. Or keep him from getting killed. Not even sure where to set the expectation level for the minimum that they need to do as a group. Will be interesting to see how effective he will be with the patchwork in front of him.
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Just for shits and giggles, the Texans are tied for 2nd most sacks allowed in August games.
 
THETEXANATOR said:
Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!
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If this turns out like the "Hoyer Fan Club" thread, somebody gonna get crucified. Texanator, my prayers are with you.
 
JamTex said:
I wouldn't worry too much brother. The Texans didn't game plan the running game into this one. I think the coaches wanted to see Brock throw it and find out more about the receivers. The Texans only ran the ball 23 times. It was bombs away in this game. The running game will be improved and evolved as that first game against the Bears approaches. The O-line has allot to do with that. As these guys get more reps together, the O-line will get better, and as a result, the running game will get better.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the Texans threw the ball 45-50 times a game depending on TOP. With all our speed we may be better suited at spreading out the D. Use L. Miller in the run game to keep the D honest but this team has pass, pass, pass written all over it to me.


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xtruroyaltyx said:
Where would we have drafted that guy and do we cut brown? I'm not a cap guy so how does that affect the cap?

If we are cutting brown do we feel tons better about the oline with a young guy at LT instead of Clark?

I dunno.

Just asking because these are the things I think about. Can't just add a young a guy to the roster. Have to give something and then weigh the reward against what you'd have had to give up instead.

I can tell you right now I'd rather have all the skill guys we drafted this year rather than replace them with a young OL at tackle that would likely struggle as a rookie protecting Brock anyways.

I think next draft we could see a tackle drafted pretty high if not in the first.
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To add a first round left tackle you don't have to give up much of anything player wise. You can cut the least qualified OT or even possibly least qualified offensive line player. Brown's cap is already counted so cost of draft pick compared to lineman cut is looked at and should be no issue. Actually cut player can be at another position for example RB Alfred Blue & Grimes could be cut for cap savings of $1.5 m. There are several possibilities.

Also a rookie left tackle does not have to be your starter, but being groomed. Hopefully, if Brown cannot recover, you have Clark and rookie compete.
 
badboy said:
To add a first round left tackle you don't have to give up much of anything player wise. You can cut the least qualified OT or even possibly least qualified offensive line player. Brown's cap is already counted so cost of draft pick compared to lineman cut is looked at and should be no issue. Actually cut player can be at another position for example RB Alfred Blue & Grimes could be cut for cap savings of $1.5 m. There are several possibilities.

Also a rookie left tackle does not have to be your starter, but being groomed. Hopefully, if Brown cannot recover, you have Clark and rookie compete.
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Well we'd have to give up fuller. I like him. Most didn't have an issue going WR Rd 1. We did take a good center in Rd 2. He got hurt. So off we go tackle then center then you have a guy who may be playing now but not not be when brown returns and no fuller at wr.

If we're talking last draft then no kjo and I think most like that guy and you need at least three good corners.

I mean all things considered I don't think they're in terrible shape as a whole. Maybe had they known injuries would strike then maybe they invest even more heavily.

But so far In OB era they have resigned Newt, drafted 2 OL in second round brought in starting OL via FA. Traded for a solid back up in Clark...Bergstrom whatever he is....they like Lamm as a developmental guy...ditto Mancz....

I mean, other areas of the ten need love too. Not saying they could t have done more but it's not like they have neglected oline.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Well we'd have to give up fuller. I like him. Most didn't have an issue going WR Rd 1. We did take a good center in Rd 2. He got hurt. So off we go tackle then center then you have a guy who may be playing now but not not be when brown returns and no fuller at wr.

If we're talking last draft then no kjo and I think most like that guy and you need at least three good corners.

I mean all things considered I don't think they're in terrible shape as a whole. Maybe had they known injuries would strike then maybe they invest even more heavily.

But so far In OB era they have resigned Newt, drafted 2 OL in second round brought in starting OL via FA. Traded for a solid back up in Clark...Bergstrom whatever he is....they like Lamm as a developmental guy...ditto Mancz....

I mean, other areas of the ten need love too. Not saying they could t have done more but it's not like they have neglected oline.
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I misunderstood what you said I guess. I thought you were asking what we would have to eliminate from roster to add a starting LT in a trade. You were saying what we would lose if we had drafted a LT in 2016? IIRC there were LTs I would have taken in third round over Braxton Miller.
 
My bad... but you're all welcome. HEH

I was just cbanneling my inner admin. I don't care if threads leave subject. We're all reading most threads/posts anyway.
That said.. let's stay focused on CnD's threads. Let's not lose his expertise.
 
Not saying you're wrong, but Brax is a high ceiling slot guy. He's basically a starter. Can return and can line up in the backfield if really needed.

Does a third Rd. Olinemen who may or may not play make you feel better about this offense rather than having a guy who'll see plenty of snaps?

Not saying you're wrong. Just asking.

From my perspective I'd rather have Brax there as he allows for some quick/intermediate passes with run after the catch ability right now. Whereas an a rookie 3rd rounder may not play much and if he does would likely take a while to develop anyways.

I think that Brax helps Brock more at this point than a third Rd olineman would be right now. Jmo.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Not saying you're wrong, but Brax is a high ceiling slot guy. He's basically a starter. Can return and can line up in the backfield if really needed.

Does a third Rd. Olinemen who may or may not play make you feel better about this offense rather than having a guy who'll see plenty of snaps?

Not saying you're wrong. Just asking.

From my perspective I'd rather have Brax there as he allows for some quick/intermediate passes with run after the catch ability right now. Whereas an a rookie 3rd rounder may not play much and if he does would likely take a while to develop anyways.

I think that Brax helps Brock more at this point than a third Rd olineman would be right now. Jmo.
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Although I agree with you,

I wish they would've used Bergstrom's $$$$ and some of the existing cap room to sign a vet OT like the Broncos did with Donald Stephenson at 3 mil in cap space.
 
steelbtexan said:
Although I agree with you,

I wish they would've used Bergstrom's $$$$ and some of the existing cap room to sign a vet OT like the Broncos did with Donald Stephenson at 3 mil in cap space.
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I hear what you're saying. & more talent is always better than less talent. But we have to have a plan to get from A to B. The Texans appear to have stacked the deck with interior OL. They've got a group they feel pretty good about. XSF, Martin, Allen then Aboushi, Mancz, & Bergstrum

I like Clark, I can see them liking Lamm. So we got Brown, Clark, Newton, Lamm.

With the additions we did make; QB, RB, WR2, WR3... our OL may end up looking a lot better than they really are.
 
Sonny said:
Why is this thread mostly about O-line and not O-sweiler?
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austins23 said:
Because they keep looking at your avatar and lose track.....
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Austin is right. I know I totally forget what you posted when I look at your avatar.
What's worse is I forget what *I* was about to post.
LoL

Seriously, to your point, this is another case where pertinent O-line discussion/info won't be searchable because it's happening in the wrong thread. Like you, I'm not trying to be a thread mod, just pointing out an obvious disadvantage to spinning off topic.
 
ObsiWan said:
Austin is right. I know I totally forget what you posted when I look at your avatar.
What's worse is I forget what *I* was about to post.
LoL

Seriously, to your point, this is another case where pertinent O-line discussion/info won't be searchable because it's happening in the wrong thread. Like you, I'm not trying to be a thread mod, just pointing out an obvious disadvantage to spinning off topic.
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I mean to me Brock and the O-line actually go hand in hand. How can we "expect" him to be MVP unless his o-line is solid. See the two relate...
 
ObsiWan said:
Austin is right. I know I totally forget what you posted when I look at your avatar.
What's worse is I forget what *I* was about to post.
LoL

Seriously, to your point, this is another case where pertinent O-line discussion/info won't be searchable because it's happening in the wrong thread. Like you, I'm not trying to be a thread mod, just pointing out an obvious disadvantage to spinning off topic.
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MODERATORS, DO YOUR JOB!
 
ROO said:

If this turns out like the "Hoyer Fan Club" thread, somebody gonna get crucified. Texanator, my prayers are with you.
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I am not part of the Hoyer fan club but to me he did as well during the regular season as I expected. Average to sub-par. I never expected him to be our savior and despite what others think I never thought OB did either. He may not have expected the S**t sandwhich that was Brian Hoyer in the playoffs but he got pretty much what he expected out of a healthy Brian Hoyer during the regular season.

I thank Brian for his services during the regular season and hope he serves as a competent back up going forward.
 
I hope Os is all we think he will be, with all the negativity towards him by anyone not a Texan fan, I was able to trade him for a late 2nd round rookie draft pick next year.

I will start him week 1 against Da Bears instead of starting Brees, yes I will.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Not saying you're wrong, but Brax is a high ceiling slot guy. He's basically a starter. Can return and can line up in the backfield if really needed.

Does a third Rd. Olinemen who may or may not play make you feel better about this offense rather than having a guy who'll see plenty of snaps?

Not saying you're wrong. Just asking.

From my perspective I'd rather have Brax there as he allows for some quick/intermediate passes with run after the catch ability right now. Whereas an a rookie 3rd rounder may not play much and if he does would likely take a while to develop anyways.

I think that Brax helps Brock more at this point than a third Rd olineman would be right now. Jmo.
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Game 1 Clark goes out for season with injury, Brown not ready for weeks. A third round left tackle could look much better than Brax Miller.
 
thunderkyss said:
I hear what you're saying. & more talent is always better than less talent. But we have to have a plan to get from A to B. The Texans appear to have stacked the deck with interior OL. They've got a group they feel pretty good about. XSF, Martin, Allen then Aboushi, Mancz, & Bergstrum

I like Clark, I can see them liking Lamm. So we got Brown, Clark, Newton, Lamm.

With the additions we did make; QB, RB, WR2, WR3... our OL may end up looking a lot better than they really are.
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uh..WR3 was already on roster.. Jalen Strong :bat:
 
badboy said:
Game 1 Clark goes out for season with injury, Brown not ready for weeks. A third round left tackle could look much better than Brax Miller.
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You could literally say that about any position.

I'm not going to name any players in particular, but you could literally say what if blank gets hurt, then a draft pick ready to step in would be cool.

In your scenario you are still talking about a third string player vs a starter. You're talking about a guy that would step in if the backup gets hurt.

A starting player with immediate impact potential vs. a third string tackle? Come on.
 
Just imagine what would be said if we drafted that 3rd strong tackle & Braxton Miller was right there!!! Can't please everyone.

& badboy, I'm not making light of your concern. I wanted to draft Greg Robinson in 2014, instead of that once in a generation talent.

I am concerned about our OL, but I'm looking for our coaching staff to develop that depth, but it doesn't appear they're doing that either.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You could literally say that about any position.

I'm not going to name any players in particular, but you could literally say what if blank gets hurt, then a draft pick ready to step in would be cool.

In your scenario you are still talking about a third string player vs a starter. You're talking about a guy that would step in if the backup gets hurt.

A starting player with immediate impact potential vs. a third string tackle? Come on.
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Ok let's go with your scenario, if Brax goes out Strong can play inside as can Fuller as can Mumphery . You could line up with two TEs with Anderson in slot or 3 WRs set plus Anderson. You can have Blue or Griffin at half back and either Lamar Miller or Tyler Ervin in the slot.

At left tackle our back up Clark is starting then we have .. Lamm who has not looked good at right tackle but IMO he was average for one quarter versus Dallas at left. At WR 4, we have many, many more options. Again, I think Brax will be a very good player if he doesn't have issues with shoulder.

Willie Beavers was there at our 4th round; we could have taken Brax in third and with Hunt gone LT in Beavers. I think Bergstrum was a mistake but if Brown can return or Clark keeps improving we could be alright. Would it not be fantastic if our line became a strength?
 
thunderkyss said:
Just imagine what would be said if we drafted that 3rd strong tackle & Braxton Miller was right there!!! Can't please everyone.

& badboy, I'm not making light of your concern. I wanted to draft Greg Robinson in 2014, instead of that once in a generation talent.

I am concerned about our OL, but I'm looking for our coaching staff to develop that depth, but it doesn't appear they're doing that either.
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My concern TK is there is no depth to develop! We have passing targets for Os out the wazoo but only Lamm as depth for OT. We have two Oline starters with lower limb injuries who may or may not return healthy. We know from Doc's info these type injuries can and often do recur. If we shiver thinking about Clark starting on left for season, I get down right :freakout: pondering Lamm on right. :thinking:

As I stated in a response to Royalty, we could have Miller in third and Willie Beavers in fourth. I am going to try to not get caught up in woulda, coulda, shoulda and focus on now.
 
Another thread devolves into a discussion about the offensive line.

Perhaps there should be an offensive line thread.

Os won't win MVP because he's not a commercial property. He needs to have a break out season, gain national notoriety, then he'll be MVP.

Pro Bowl this year, MVP next year.
 
badboy said:
My concern TK is there is no depth to develop!
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That's what I meant. However we've got two OL on the practice squade. Slade who makes Lamm look like Okung in his prime, & some other dude who's got a little buzz about him.
 
False Start said:
I think Brock will turn out to be a top tier QB but not in the elite category. Maybe next year we can talk MVP.
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If he makes it through 16 games as our starter, I'm going to be calling him a top tier QB regardless. He'll most likely have the stats to back it up. It's going to be hard not to, with the nature of the game now & the weapons he'll have.

Look at Blake Bortles. 35 TDS & people act like he's someone to be feared. It's like throwing for 500 yards in a bowl game & still lose.

I think Brock did a good job last season answering the call when the chips were down. I want to see more of that. When we play the Patriots in the playoffs, I want them to say "Brock Osweiler & the Texans vs Tom Brady & the Patriots"

Not Jj Watt, or DeAndre Hopkins.
 
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thunderkyss said:
If he makes it through 16 games as our starter, I'm going to be calling him a top teir QB regardless. He'll most likely have the stats to back it up. It's going to be hard not to, with the nature of the game now & the weapons he'll have.

Look at Blake Bortles. 35 TDS & people act like he's someone to be feared. It's like throwing for 500 yards in a bowl game & still lose.

I think he did a good job last season answering the call when the chips were down. I want to see more of that. When we play the Patriots in the playoffs, I want them to say "Brock Osweiler & the Texans vs Tom Brady & the Patriots"
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I feel a dude. That would be bad ass, and I would enjoy the hell out of it. I was impressed with Brock in Denver last year. He did pretty good, and I ain't gonna lie, I was praying the Texans could somehow get him, lol. The third preseason game got me really excited. I guess you could say I'm cautious when it comes to giving praise to a player. I really do think that Os will be a top tier QB is this league, but I just dont think he will reach that level this season. I'm not saying he's going to be average this year, I could see him ranked in the lower to 10. :cool: :jam:
 
False Start said:
I feel a dude. That would be bad ass, and I would enjoy the hell out of it. I was impressed with Brock in Denver last year. He did pretty good, and I ain't gonna lie, I was praying the Texans could somehow get him, lol. The third preseason game got me really excited. I guess you could say I'm cautious when it comes to giving praise to a player. I really do think that Os will be a top tier QB is this league, but I just dont think he will reach that level this season. I'm not saying he's going to be average this year, I could see him ranked in the lower to 10. :cool: :jam:
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Definitely get what your are saying, for me if he is an average NFL QB ranked around # 16 with this team, Houston can go at least to game one of playoffs like last season regardless of improvement. Having one QB leading this roster will be a strong step of progress; adding our new players + vets returning who appear ready to have better seasons like Clowney, McKinney, Su'a-Fila, Prosch and Strong..I am very excited.

If he does end up in top ten? Whooeee!
 
False Start said:
I was impressed with Brock in Denver last year. He did pretty good, and I ain't gonna lie, I was praying the Texans could somehow get him, lol. The third preseason game got me really excited. I guess you could say I'm cautious when it comes to giving praise to a player. I really do think that Os will be a top tier QB is this league, but I just dont think he will reach that level this season. I'm not saying he's going to be average this year, I could see him ranked in the lower to 10. :cool: :jam:
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As was I. I remember watching him play all 7 starts last season and thinking to myself... "Man, why is this guy playing backup? He's better than all the starters we've ever had. (except for prime Schaub) Why is it that our organization seem to not be able to find a decent QB? And here are these teams with better backup QBs than the trash we always try to pass as starting QBs."

Needless to say, the night we signed Brock is probably up there with the rest of my happiest sports moments. I'm just hoping this indeed ends up being a good move!
 
Decent day for Oz but he has an absolutely miserable play fake. Should say they. Miller wasn't running close to him either. The only fake to it was in not dropping straight back. That's coaching.
 
The thing I love about Brock that I don't believe we've seen in Houston much--maybe, early Carr or Fitz--is that when he gets pressure in the pocket and even when defenders are free and get a hand on him, it's not automatically a negative play.

His mobility and ability to get away from defenders and still make a play from the pocket is such a welcome sight.
 
infantrycak said:
Decent day for Oz but he has an absolutely miserable play fake. Should say they. Miller wasn't running close to him either. The only fake to it was in not dropping straight back. That's coaching.
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Yeah, I was hoping for some play action deep ball scenario at the end but it's not something he seems to proficient at.

It is something that Schaub was elite at.
 
Unimpressed with BOZ. Slow afoot and awful throwing motion, misses a lot. Maybe it's early days and he'll settle in, but for now he's going to rely on receivers to make his days.
 
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