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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

paycheck71 said:
His beef with Clowney wasn't that his knee would get hurt, but that he was lazy. By all reports, he wasn't right about that.
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Time for a little refresher course. My beef with Clowney was in his Jr. year he only put up 3 sacks and his coach was not singing his praises (a tell tell sign). I said at the time I thought Clowney was a 4-3 DE who could only play with his hand in the dirt and his one single job was to rush the passer. In coverage he got killed. I did say that his lack of production was in part due to his lack of preparation (being lazy and his coach inauspiciously said the same) and after his monster Soph year SEC DC's game planned for him by chipping and double teaming him with TE and RB help and it worked well and was effective (as in only 3 sacks). I got the sense that Clowney was a good football player who didn't love football and therefore would never be great or really good. At best I thought he might have a 10 year career of being average and mediocre. That was and is my beef with Clowney.
 
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Texian said:
Time for a little refresher course. My beef with Clowney was in his Jr. year he only put up 3 sacks and his coach was not singing his praises (a tell tell sign). I said at the time I thought Clowney was a 4-3 DE who could only play with his hand in the dirt and his one single job was to rush the passer. In coverage he got killed. I did say that his lack of production was in part due to his lack of preparation (being lazy and his coach inauspiciously said the same) and after his monster Soph year SEC DC's game planned for him by chipping and double teaming him with TE and RB help and it worked well and was effective (as in only 3 sacks). I got the sense that Clowney was a good football who didn't love football and therefore would never be great or really good. At best I thought he might have a 10 year career of being average and mediocre. That was and is my beef with Clowney.
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Thanks for elaborating; I didn't remember all the details. The "lazy" comment stuck out to me. But I don't think any of this changes what the point of my original message was.
 
DBCooper said:
My problem is your enjoyment of the situation.

Congratulations.
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I can only imagine how you would feel if you had said and felt the same way. I'm not going to lie, yes there is some satisfaction knowing that you got it right. And that just doesn't apply to the Houston Texans. And I think your problem is not so much that I got it right but that you got wrong.
 
Texian said:
I can only imagine how you would feel if you had said and felt the same way. I'm not going to lie, yes there is some satisfaction knowing that you got it right. And that just doesn't apply to the Houston Texans. And I think your problem is not so much that I got it right but that you got wrong.
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Except you didn't get it right. Laziness has nothing to do with his knee or condition.

I also didn't want him because of the bone spurs. I was wrong too.
 
Texian said:
I can only imagine how you would feel if you had said and felt the same way. I'm not going to lie, yes there is some satisfaction knowing that you got it right. And that just doesn't apply to the Houston Texans. And I think your problem is not so much that I got it right but that you got wrong.
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See, you're wrong.

I want my team to win.

F&ck being right.
 
Texian said:
Yep, I think it was you, me and maybe one or two others in that camp. Also believe that it was just us that was all in for Blake Bortles.
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You tend to remember things that never happened. I'd say a good many of us wanted someone other than Clowney for several reasons. Some wanted Mack, I wanted Robinson. Some wanted Bortles.

Even after the pick I believe most said, "Not who I wanted, but I understand."
 
thunderkyss said:
You tend to remember things that never happened. I'd say a good many of us wanted someone other than Clowney for several reasons. Some wanted Mack, I wanted Robinson. Some wanted Bortles.

Even after the pick I believe most said, "Not who I wanted, but I understand."
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It's time to 'fess up. I wanted Jake Matthews.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Wanted to trade down if possible and hope to land Anthony Barr, but remained hopeful of the Clowney decision.
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There just wasn't a clear cut choice at 1-1. Clowney was the closest to consensus at that pick. I would have liked to trade down a bit for Watkins.
 
DBCooper said:
See, you're wrong.

I want my team to win.

F&ck being right.
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So you know that you used to be me too, I used to be a season ticket holder for 30 years, long enough to get seats on the 50. It finally dawned on me that these people are human beings and they're just as dumb as the rest if us, if not dumber. And all I was doing was supporting a bunch of dummies. What I saw with Rankin Smith and John Mecom Jr I am now seeing with Bob McNair, doing the same things, making similar same mistakes. I feel like I have already traveled down this road. If I seem like a bit of a know it all, it is because I am like Farmers Insurance, I know a thing or two because I have seen a thing or two.

thunderkyss said:
You tend to remember things that never happened. I'd say a good many of us wanted someone other than Clowney for several reasons. Some wanted Mack, I wanted Robinson. Some wanted Bortles.

Even after the pick I believe most said, "Not who I wanted, but I understand."
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OK OK so I missed counted by one or two. There was a very strong majority in the Clowney camp (probably not as many who will admit it today). It was pandemonium at the draft party
 
I believe with my whole heart that Bob McNair was a little bit gun shy taking another QB with the first pick and I also believe that Bob was still under the illusion that Case Keenum would be his QB of the future. And with Clowney being a player at McNair's Alma Mater is was an easy decision for Bob to say go get him Rick. Derek Carr was radioactive being David's brother and there was no way Bob having any of that.
 
Texian said:
So you know that you used to be me too, I used to be a season ticket holder for 30 years, long enough to get seats on the 50. It finally dawned on me that these people are human beings and they're just as dumb as the rest if us, if not dumber. And all I was doing was supporting a bunch of dummies. What I saw with Rankin Smith and John Mecom Jr I am now seeing with Bob McNair, doing the same things, making similar same mistakes. I feel like I have already traveled down this road. If I seem like a bit of a know it all, it is because I am like Farmers Insurance, I know a thing or two because I have seen a thing or two.



OK OK so I missed counted by one or two. There was a very strong majority in the Clowney camp (probably not as many who will admit it today). It was pandemonium at the draft party
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So you became an anti-fan.

And no one would ever mistake me for you.
 
DBCooper said:
So you became an anti-fan.

And no one would ever mistake me for you.
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No I am a fan, I just don't agree with every decision they make and I'm not shy about telling you why. If you experience 30 - 40 years of Texans being average and mediocre there is a good chance you will become like me. I was a lot like you in the luv ya blue days and the years after. Moving the Oilers to Tenn aside, Bud Adams and Bob McNair are similar in the way they run there teams, although McNair maybe a little more hands on.
 
Texian said:
No I am a fan, I just don't agree with every decision they make and I'm not shy about telling you why. If you experience 30 - 40 years of Texans being average and mediocre there is a good chance you will become like me. I was a lot like you in the luv ya blue days and the years after. Moving the Oilers to Tenn aside, Bud Adams and Bob McNair are similar in the way they run there teams, although McNair maybe a little more hands on.
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What are you like 100 years old?

Lol

I'll never be like you, I cheer for my team, not to be right.
 
Texian said:
I believe with my whole heart that Bob McNair was a little bit gun shy taking another QB with the first pick and I also believe that Bob was still under the illusion that Case Keenum would be his QB of the future. And with Clowney being a player at McNair's Alma Mater is was an easy decision for Bob to say go get him Rick. Derek Carr was radioactive being David's brother and there was no way Bob having any of that.
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I agree that Bob may have been gun shy about taking another QB 1-1 and Derek Carr was never going to be considered.
 
DBCooper said:
What are you like 100 years old?

Lol

I'll never be like you, I cheer for my team, not to be right.
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Nope, I'm 63. I want the Texans to win but when I see McNair make the decision to spend 3 years in salary cap hell trying to buy a championship I know they won't win and never be more than a 1 and done in the playoffs at best because all they can afford at their depth positions is vet minimums and rookies. Kind of like now. It's almost like a science and you come to know that if you do A then B is going to happen and that C is not going to happen.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Wanted to trade down if possible and hope to land Anthony Barr, but remained hopeful of the Clowney decision.
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That's what I wanted too, but it takes two to tango on trade-downs.

As Bill Maher says on HBO . ."New Rule" . . If you're gonna have the first pick, make sure you have it when there's an undisputable consensus top pick, like when the Colts got Andrew Luck. (f'kers)

Of the 3 times the Texans had the 1st pick, that wasn't the case. And being the draft being the crap-shoot as it is, you go with what you know at the time. You don't have the hindsight crystal ball in your pocket. And it cuts both ways. When we got JJ Watt with the the 11th pick, don't you think that the fans of 10 teams that picked before us are going, "and just think, we could have gotten Watt"?

But just for the fun of it, from the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, say we get a do-over, and instead of Clowney, I can't for the life of me understand why Blake Bortles would be the choice. I'd be all over Khallil Mack like a flies on sh!t!
 
I said it then and I'll say it again Aaron Donald was the best player in that draft.

there were six players that you could justify taking at number 1.
Barr Clowney Mack Robinson Donald and Bortles not because of talent but because of need.

I still think people are overreacting about him missing a few days in training camp. At this point he has to be treated like an older veteran because of his injury history. No reason to take any chances I'm expecting a big year from him.
 
Texian said:
I believe with my whole heart that Bob McNair was a little bit gun shy taking another QB with the first pick...
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I maintain none of the QBs were worthy of a first round pick. Jacksonville taking Bortles @ 3rd overall was met with a lot of criticism. Teddy Bridgewater fell to 32 & he was considered by most, the best QB of the class.
 
Texian said:
Nope, I'm 63. I want the Texans to win but when I see McNair make the decision to spend 3 years in salary cap hell trying to buy a championship I know they won't win and never be more than a 1 and done in the playoffs at best because all they can afford at their depth positions is vet minimums and rookies. Kind of like now. It's almost like a science and you come to know that if you do A then B is going to happen and that C is not going to happen.
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Except, that's the way it works. That's the way the system is & every team does it. Patriots, Broncos, Steelers..... all have seasons where they're maxed out, they all ask players to sign extensions or take pay cuts so they can afford whatever.

The Broncos just bought a Super Bowl. The only difference where the Texans were concerned is that the salary cap did not take the expected jump while they were negotiating the CBA. If not for that, we'd have kept Winston & Brizeil & continued to dominate on the offensive line.

Just this past season, the Texans signed a Guard, a RB, & a QB.... not vet minimums & rookies. It all goes in cycles.
 
ObsiWan said:
It wasn't just you. I was one of those who wanted Matthews or Robinson to start at RT but was beat down by the "you idiot, nobody drafts a RT at 1-1" crowd.
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& here we are wondering if Duane Brown will be ready for week one, much less return to form.
 
mussop said:
I still think people are overreacting about him missing a few days in training camp. At this point he has to be treated like an older veteran because of his injury history. No reason to take any chances I'm expecting a big year from him.
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He's started 11 whole games for the Texans (though he's played in 17) over his first two years in the league. I think it's more than a fair assessment to be worried about his training camp no-shows.

If he had a history of missing camp and playing well, the whole issue would be a (pardon the pun) non-starter. Right now, he doesn't have a history of actually playing, much less playing "well".

I wish him all the luck in the world, but it's awfully hard to see missing this time as boding well for the upcoming season.
 
thunderkyss said:
Except, that's the way it works. That's the way the system is & every team does it. Patriots, Broncos, Steelers..... all have seasons where they're maxed out, they all ask players to sign extensions or take pay cuts so they can afford whatever.

The Broncos just bought a Super Bowl. The only difference where the Texans were concerned is that the salary cap did not take the expected jump while they were negotiating the CBA. If not for that, we'd have kept Winston & Brizeil & continued to dominate on the offensive line.

Just this past season, the Texans signed a Guard, a RB, & a QB.... not vet minimums & rookies. It all goes in cycles.
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That's a very Utopian point of view.
 
Texian said:
That's a very Utopian point of view.
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Utopian: modeled on or aiming for a state in which everything is perfect; idealistic.

Sounds like he's describing a very imperfect, but often employed model to me.

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Texian said:
Was Jadeveon Clowney At A Louisiana Casino Last Night While The Texans Were In San Francisco?

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Hmmm...not good for PR. I can understand a guy wanting to get out of the grind for a night, but shouldn't he be in bright and early rehabbing that knee?

Maybe they don't do rehab on Saturdays...or the casino has rehab facilities...or he is playing Therapeutic Blackjack. :)

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frethack said:
Hmmm...not good for PR. I can understand a guy wanting to get out of the grind for a night, but shouldn't he be in bright and early rehabbing that knee?

Maybe they don't do rehab on Saturdays...or the casino has rehab facilities...or he is playing Therapeutic Blackjack. :)

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Maybe it's an off day and he can do anything he desires.
 
DBCooper said:
Maybe it's an off day and he can do anything he desires.
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Possibly, but I'd lay money that Watt was in bed early and in rehab early this morning

Of course Watt is a standard that is hard to live up to. I don't blame Clowney or think he's lazy. It just doesn't look good on the surface.

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frethack said:
Possibly, but I'd lay money that Watt was in bed early and in rehab early this morning

Of course Watt is a standard that is hard to live up to. I don't blame Clowney or think he's lazy. It just doesn't look good on the surface.

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And I bet if Watt was standing next to Clowney at the craps table some people would only report that JD was there.
 
I seriously doubt that LOL. Mike Florio would be tripping over himself to report that...lots of JJ haters out there who want to break his Captain America persona.

I'm only saying that this doesn't play well for Clowneys public image. Nothing personal against him, but as a fan, I'd like for his focus to be staying on the field right now. If he accomplishes that, the casino trip is forgotten. If not, the casino trip will still be forgotten after he is cut.



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frethack said:
I seriously doubt that LOL. Mike Florio would be tripping over himself to report that...lots of JJ haters out there who want to break his Captain America persona.

I'm only saying that this doesn't play well for Clowneys public image. Nothing personal against him, but as a fan, I'd like for his focus to be staying on the field right now. If he accomplishes that, the casino trip is forgotten. If not, the casino trip will still be forgotten after he is cut.



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It looks like a doctored photo to me, but even if not, it's supposedly taken at 9:00 on a Friday night... you think all the other players were still in the weight room?
 
JB said:
It looks like a doctored photo to me, but even if not, it's supposedly taken at 9:00 on a Friday night... you think all the other players were still in the weight room?
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No, I dont...the vast majority who are going to have long careers in the NFL were taking care of their bodies and studying film and their playbook.

If the photo is doctored or is some guy that looks kinda looks like Clowney, then awesome. This whole conversation is a nothing sandwich. Again, nothing against Clowney at all...I WANT him to succeed and be great.

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frethack said:
Hmmm...not good for PR. I can understand a guy wanting to get out of the grind for a night, but shouldn't he be in bright and early rehabbing that knee?
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Not good for PR, I'll give you that, but what's to say he won't make rehab early anyway?

Maybe he couldn't sleep.

Maybe Watt kicked him out of his all night poker game.
 
frethack said:
Possibly, but I'd lay money that Watt was in bed early and in rehab early this morning

Of course Watt is a standard that is hard to live up to. I don't blame Clowney or think he's lazy. It just doesn't look good on the surface.

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Yup ... with a skier , actress , or tennis player . All hail JJ .
 
frethack said:
Possibly, but I'd lay money that Watt was in bed early and in rehab early this morning

Of course Watt is a standard that is hard to live up to. I don't blame Clowney or think he's lazy. It just doesn't look good on the surface.

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LoL
HE34 and TK had the same thought I did. They were a few seconds quicker to post than I.
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Here we go again with Texans' Jadeveon Clowney
He may yet become the best thing since Lawrence Taylor, but until he gets on the field, we can only wait to find out
By Brian T. Smith
August 13, 2016 Updated: August 13, 2016 7:31pm


We didn't even make it to the first preseason game. Of course. I mean, that's how it goes, right? That's everything we've come to expect from the Texan who was supposed to be a once-in-a-generation defender. When Bill O'Brien's crew opens its 2016 preseason slate Sunday at San Francisco and every Texans-obsessed soul in this city begins to put their oft-broken heart in Brock Osweiler's hands, guess who's not scheduled to take the field? Come on. This is an easy one. You already know the answer. That's right: Jadeveon Clowney.

His knee is sore. He's being rested. He might start practicing again next week.

The Texans haven't really said anything, and the linebacker's absence is supposed to be cautionary. But Clowney was held out of the second week of training camp and did not suit up versus the 49ers in a joint session Friday.

And here we are all over again, for the third year in a row.

Clowney, the next Lawrence Taylor. Clowney, the perfect complement to J.J. Watt. Clowney, the no-brainer No. 1 overall pick who was going to help define Romeo Crennel's defense, provide O'Brien with a massive building block to annual postseason runs and unleash the bulls on Kirby Drive again.

The real-life Clowney: 15 missed games, 11 starts, 41/2 sacks and 47 combined tackles to his 23-year-old name.

The time is now

If the "Wheel of Fortune" was spinning, the pick the Texans couldn't miss on is one letter away from being a B-U-S-_.

Not making it through the second week of camp isn't the best way to keep the dreaded "T" off the board.

The Texans' defense did fine without Clowney last year. The defense saved the team and season, and carried O'Brien's crew to the AFC South title plus a home playoff game.

The Texans' defense can live the good life without No. 90 again this year, if that's what it comes to and the one-person MASH unit once affectionately known as JD fails for the third consecutive season.

But for Clowney, this is the year The season. The time. And he knows it.

"My teammates are counting on me, and I'm counting on myself to come out here and perform," said Clowney on the second day of camp.

If he can't do it now - Watt on the mend and a Week 1 question mark; a clean slate staring Clowney straight in the face - then it becomes impossible to think he's ever going to.

And that could be a major problem for these Texans.

They can be good without Clowney. Heck, if Osweiler is the real thing, Lamar Miller makes us forget Arian Foster and DeAndre Hopkins has another All-Pro outburst, I can easily see a second consecutive division banner hanging from NRG Stadium's rafters after this campaign.


Spotlight gets brighter

But we don't settle for wild-card games and just making the playoffs in this city, remember? We believe in the real thing: Super Bowls. And way back when the Texans passed on several young stars to make Clowney theirs, the franchise-changing idea was that the young man who delivered The Hit would be the crazy type of talent (paired with Watt) who could create a true contender in Houston for the first time since the Oilers last peaked.

Two injury-devastated seasons later?

If you invested in Clowney rookie cards, you either traded them all for a single Will Fuller or you're nervously sitting on the stack, hoping No. 90's act will one day come back in style.

And if your favorite team drafted Blake Bortles, Sammy Watkins, Khalil Mack, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham or Aaron Donald - all went in the top 13 in 2014 - you're feeling pretty lucky two years after what more than ever appears to be a major Texans mistake.

We let a lot of things go this offseason. Brian Hoyer. Ryan Mallett's ghost. Not having a quarterback and only having an offense when the season was on the line.

But Clowney? The spotlight will only zoom in brighter during Year Three.

"Clowney has a presence when he's on the field," Osweiler said. "You know when No. 90 is out there."

On the field. Out there. Those are the magic words.


Only seeing is believing

After two years of being protected, defended and sometimes coddled, there won't be any more hiding for JD.

He has worked his butt off and been a goofball at the same time.

He has done everything the teams has asked of him but rarely made a dent when it mattered.

He has had bad luck, bad timing and bad games, yet also flashed enough to make you go wide-eyed like it was 2013 at South Carolina all over again.

None of that matters in 2016. It's put-up-or-shut-up time for the Texans and Clowney. It's go big or fade away for a 6-5, 265-pound linebacker who has to finally start carrying real NFL weight now that Watt is potentially MIA.

"He really did a great job in the conditioning tests. He's had a good offseason, been here a lot," O'Brien said when camp began. "Even during the time off, when (the players) don't have to be here, he's been around. He's working hard. … He came out ready to go."

Publicly, O'Brien always has had Clowney's back. But those words could have been said of any Texan in uniform during the grand early days of camp, when optimism shines and renewed hope defines all 32 teams.

Will O'Brien still be talking about Clowney in Week 8? Twelve? Seventeen?

"I know what I can do. … I'm going to come back and dominate the league."

Clowney declared that just seven months ago. Now he's sitting out practices again.

Dominate? Clowney?

We've never seen anything close to it. And we won't believe the words until it finally happens - if it ever does.
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JB said:
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What if the picture was taken prior to the start of camp? Or last year? Or an off day?
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This "incident" itself should not really be a big deal................but it is certainly terrible optics with all the negativity swirling about his lackluster previous 2 seasons marred by.cumulative injuries. It would be nice though to help calm the waters somewhat by finding out that the photo in question was indeed taken before training camp instead of last night.

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Has anyone confirmed the date on the Clowney/casino pic? Asking because I can confirm he was at Nugget week before camp. (Because so was I)
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