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Texans Training Camp 2016

PapaL said:
Wait, what? Blue got better at running?!? At running the ball?
Did I sleep through the season? I don't remember him improving. He's been consistently average to below average.
Made holes his own? As in running into his own OL? I'm seriously confused here.
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If you base improvement on YPC, then yes, he improved dramatically over the season.
 
The Texans will be in pads today for the first time of the 2016 season. Today we can get a look at both the offensive and defensive lines to see just what the Texans have in the trenches.
The running game will get looks as well.
How will our backs look when the bullets are flying?
Today will be a fun day of practice.
Let's see what positives come out of finally getting the pads on.
 
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Going by my Twitter feed this morning, it appears the defense absolutely crushed the offense on goal line 11 on 11s. Clowney, McKinnet, Cushing, Reader and K-Johnson all named with dominant plays.

Prosche did finally get one in. ONE!
 
Looks like Clowney is straight dominating the offense from the get go. I'm super excited about what he can do this year. Just caused a fumble on Akeem Hunt!
 
Reading the tweets from TC saying Savage looks like the best QB is a little concerning, but backup QB's tend to get lots and lots of praise in camp and preseason.

I am happy to read Clowney disrupting run plays and causing fumbles.

E: Wendell Williams is getting heaps of twitter praise for his speed. Supposedly returned a punt for a TD untouched.
 
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PapaL said:
I'd say dramatically is a stretch.

First 8 games:
4.7
1.2
4.5
2.8
3.7
0 - DNP
2.7
2.8

22.4/7 = 3.2 YPC

Last 8 games:
1.8
2.8
4.8
3.5
5.3
3.0
4.9
5.8

31.2/8 = 3.9 YPC

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/16921/alfred-blue

I would definitely still want his position upgraded.
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To be fair, you quoted the guy saying "over the season" then broke it into two halves.

In his last 6 games he averaged 4.55 YPC.

That's not a small improvement. Nor is it a endorsement that Blue should be anything other than a backup.
 
Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL 1h1 hour ago


Defense dominating goal-line drill so far

Brian Cushing and Benardrick McKinney stuffed Lamar Miller short of end zone, defense is fired up

Offensive line, down two tackles, not creating push here in goal-line drill. Bill O'Brien makes first offense do pushups

Backup offense having no more luck against the defense, dline defeating blocks and getting in backfield

Jay Prosch breaks the shutout, runs it in for a touchdown in goal-line drill


John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 45m45 minutes ago


DeAndre Hopkins great one handed catch over Johnathon Joseph in end zone

Hopkins and Joseph having some impressive one on one battles last two days
 
b0ng said:
Reading the tweets from TC saying Savage looks like the best QB is a little concerning, but backup QB's tend to get lots and lots of praise in camp and preseason.

I am happy to read Clowney disrupting run plays and causing fumbles.

E: Wendell Williams is getting heaps of twitter praise for his speed. Supposedly returned a punt for a TD untouched.
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Yea well he is also going on year 3 in this system so he should be ahead of Brock in some senses. It takes time to get the going in a new system especially if its as complicated as ours supposedly is. But glad Savage is looking good Ive been a fan of his he has the physical talent just has to stay on the field and grasp the mental things
 
Shishkabob said:
Yea well he is also going on year 3 in this system so he should be ahead of Brock in some senses. It takes time to get the going in a new system especially if its as complicated as ours supposedly is. But glad Savage is looking good Ive been a fan of his he has the physical talent just has to stay on the field and grasp the mental things
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This is true, but kind of like last preseason/TC both the QB'S looked about the same in terms of ability, and as it turned out both were not good. If we have the same show this year only it's Savage/Osweiler I have a bad feeling about the QB play for the upcoming season.
 
PapaL said:
I'd say dramatically is a stretch.

First 8 games:
4.7
1.2
4.5
2.8
3.7
0 - DNP
2.7
2.8

22.4/7 = 3.2 YPC

Last 8 games:
1.8
2.8
4.8
3.5
5.3
3.0
4.9
5.8

31.2/8 = 3.9 YPC

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/16921/alfred-blue

I would definitely still want his position upgraded.
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If you break it to first 10 and last 7 (including playoff game), then you'll see that dramatic improvement in YPC.

We did upgrade his position, though, in the offseason.
 
I am not too concerned about D dominating O honestly. Even with Watt out, we have a top flight secondary and some strong players other than Watt finally in Merciless, healthy Cushing, McKinney, and healthy Clowney. Unlike before, we actually have a top D in the league. The O on the other hand is FULL of new players, from OL to RB to WR to QB. It's basically a new team that needs to gel fast despite injuries everyone on the OL.

b0ng said:
This is true, but kind of like last preseason/TC both the QB'S looked about the same in terms of ability, and as it turned out both were not good. If we have the same show this year only it's Savage/Osweiler I have a bad feeling about the QB play for the upcoming season.
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It's all about expectations. Savage has been doing this for a while now. This is all new for Oz. The fact that they look comparable despite Oz just jumping in this offseason and having to learn everything, to me speaks to how much lower Savage's ability is.
 
I see it this way. Oz is still learning the system. He has alot of work to do. He knows that himself. Savage has been here 2 full years and knows the system inside and out.
At least we can finally feel confident that if Oz goes down, Savage can pick up the ball and play well.
 
sandman said:
To be fair, you quoted the guy saying "over the season" then broke it into two halves.

In his last 6 games he averaged 4.55 YPC.

That's not a small improvement. Nor is it a endorsement that Blue should be anything other than a backup.
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Small improvement I'll take, dramatic improvement is a stretch. The guy has problems hitting the hole and getting North/South. At times it looks like he doesn't know where to the play is designed to go. I will concede that he had some decent games at the end of the season and put up decent stats in the blowout.
 
JamTex said:
Hey guys. I have migrated to this forum from the Texans.com forum because of the new upgrade issues.
There I created a weekly thread the week before each game. I plan to do that here now. Starting with the up coming 49er's preseason game.
I do like the layout of this forum much better. This will be fun.
GO TEXANS!!!!
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Just remember that the weekly prediction thread belongs to EllisUnit.
 
Nothing new or anything to worry about.............at TC, it is almost universal that defenses are significantly ahead of the offenses.......even with teams with high-powered defenses. You just need to follow some of the TC notes of teams such as the Eagles.
 

  1. John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 3h3 hours ago
    Hopkins and Joseph having some impressive one on one battles last two days

  3. DeAndre Hopkins great one handed catch over Johnathon Joseph in end zone

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  1. Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL 2h2 hours ago
  2. Bill O'Brien on rookie tight end Stephen Anderson: 'A very, very smart kid. He’s got good hands. He’s got good route-running ability.'

  4. Bill O'Brien on Jaelen Strong: 'He nailed the conditioning test. He’s been able to really refine his skillset as a receiver.
Kareem Jackson on the first hit of camp: 'It’s kind of like getting that first kiss when you’re a kid. It’s a lot of fun.'

Quintin Demps: 'We’ve been in panties for OTAs, so the first day of pads is when you find out who the football players are'

Bill O'Brien on rookie Will Fuller: 'Will Fuller is doing good. He’s had a good early training camp.'

Benadrick McKinney on his goal-line tackle: 'I love hitting anyone. I love flying around and having fun.'
 
PapaL said:
I completely forgot about him! Hybrid LB/S
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Coming back after an ACL last year. Another concern, greater than his knee, may be the fact that he was trying to come back from multiple shoulder dislocations, shoulder surgery, then even another dislocation at the time the ACL rupture occurred..............and we really never found out how durable his shoulder was.

From my post in spring of 2015:

CloakNNNdagger said:
Our first 3 picks have basically free of significant injury history. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for Clett. During the 2013 season, he repeatedly dislocated his shoulder playing through it. December 2014, he underwent shoulder surgery. On October 2014, despite the surgical repair, he suffered a redislocation of his shoulder. Again, he continued to play through it and continued rehab thereafter in order to avoid further surgery.

My concern is that surgical failure (redislocation) for such shoulder surgery is 1-5 %, which he has already experienced may not be the end of the story. As with any shoulder dislocations, redislocations become more likely. Non operative treatment (conservative rehab alone) of a dislocated shoulder carries a high redislocation rate (especially in a young LB which would repeatedly exposed to shoulder trauma), some studies as high as 50% within 2 years. His next redislocation will likely meet the criteria for shoulder revision surgery.
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I hope that his shoulder holds up when well-tested over a significant period of time.
 
Offense has to do pushups three days into camp because of redzone failures? That's bush league, that's not Professional coaching. How will that improve the offense? The coaching staff had a chance to coach the offense up, take some time to direct guys about the mistakes they made, but instead they make them do pushups. That's not coaching.
 
Oldtimer said:
Offense has to do pushups three days into camp because of redzone failures? That's bush league, that's not Professional coaching. How will that improve the offense? The coaching staff had a chance to coach the offense up, take some time to direct guys about the mistakes they made, but instead they make them do pushups. That's not coaching.
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Yeah, the coach staff totally decided against giving them any kind of direction or coaching.

:kubepalm:
 
Oldtimer said:
Offense has to do pushups three days into camp because of redzone failures? That's bush league, that's not Professional coaching. How will that improve the offense? The coaching staff had a chance to coach the offense up, take some time to direct guys about the mistakes they made, but instead they make them do pushups. That's not coaching.
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Chillax bruh, they'll get plenty of 'coaching'.

Being called out with immediate consequences no matter how trivial gets a message through that failure is not ok. Same as running laps for false starts. Not coaching but sends a message its no acceptable and also provides social pressure not to fail.
 
Just watching the Day 3 highlight tape on HT.com and I gotta say I HATE the so called 'tackling' technique DBs have where they casually throw a shoulder in the general direction of the opponent. Admittedly this was aimed at a tackling donut but I'm not even sure it managed to put the donut down.
 
Oldtimer said:
Offense has to do pushups three days into camp because of redzone failures? That's bush league, that's not Professional coaching. How will that improve the offense? The coaching staff had a chance to coach the offense up, take some time to direct guys about the mistakes they made, but instead they make them do pushups. That's not coaching.
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Coaches had to do push-ups too.
 
JamTex said:
Thank brother. Duly noted.
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Hey Jam welcome! Suggest you spend a bit of time perusing several threads including the NFL, college and draft forums. It will give you insight on several things including posters and IMO lots of info you might not see other forums. We have several who go to TC and offer insight as well as pictures, one of our own Stephanie Stradley an attorney contributes here under Texans Chic and to Houston Chronicle http://www.chron.com/author/stephanie-stradley/

We have a surgeon CnnnD (cloak and dagger) not only a Texans fan but who has offered opinion that often contradicts medical reports from team doctors & almost uncannily is more accurate in his prognoses.

We have several lost souls ..er draftniks who spend hours watching college football and game film, monitoring other news sources to bring info to that forum as well as mock drafts.

Looking forward to your input.
 
dream_team said:
If you base improvement on YPC, then yes, he improved dramatically over the season.
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I must disagree. His stats see link show that he seems to rotate between average, to horrible to pretty good. He looked good versus Chiefs.

http://www.nfl.com/player/alfredblue/2543600/gamelogs



1 KC L 20-27 4.7
2 CAR L 17-24 1.2
3 TB W 19-9 4.5
4 ATL L 21-48 2.8
5 IND L 20-27 3.7
6 JAC W 31-20 none
7 MIA L 26-44 2.7
8 TEN W 20-6 2.8
9 Bye -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
10 CIN W 10-6 1.8
11 NYJ W 24-17 2.8
12 NO W 24-6 4.8
13 BUF L 21-30 3.5
14 NE L 6-27 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
15 IND W 16-10 5.4
16 TEN W 34-6 3.0
17 KC 5.8

I think the best that can be said he did have time (plays) on field that ate up clock..and that was not always a good thing.

edit: Papa L you be first!
 
badboy said:
Hey Jam welcome! Suggest you spend a bit of time perusing several threads including the NFL, college and draft forums. It will give you insight on several things including posters and IMO lots of info you might not see other forums. We have several who go to TC and offer insight as well as pictures, one of our own Stephanie Stradley an attorney contributes here under Texans Chic and to Houston Chronicle http://www.chron.com/author/stephanie-stradley/

We have a surgeon CnnnD (cloak and dagger) not only a Texans fan but who has offered opinion that often contradicts medical reports from team doctors & almost uncannily is more accurate in his prognoses.

We have several lost souls ..er draftniks who spend hours watching college football and game film, monitoring other news sources to bring info to that forum as well as mock drafts.

Looking forward to your input.
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Some guys might go on and on about their opinions also. However, a lot of good group of posters including those who are stubborn like a mule with their strong opinions.



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Yeah as every player from the starter to the undrafted. As they have to always keep earning their keep.
 
badboy said:
I must disagree. His stats see link show that he seems to rotate between average, to horrible to pretty good. He looked good versus Chiefs.
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It is what it is.... I think we're digging way deeper into this thing than we really ought to. Regardless what O'b saI'd, or Harris or whoever... they went out & signed a new starter then drafted a guy who will make the roster.

Arguing about what Blue did, didn't do, was or will be is like arguing Mumphry's ability to step into the #1 WR spot.
 
badboy said:
Absolutely not. You think any of the projected starters or many backups have to be on field to make roster? Come on DocBar..:bat: :bubbles:
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You don't think the competition is real? Projected is just that. In my mind, there are less than 22 spots that are guaranteed. No back up has a guaranteed spot to me. You've gotta bring it every day.
 
Texans' Tom Savage displaying quick release at camp

Among the qualities Texans reserve quarterback Tom Savage has displayed at training camp is a quick release.

Savage has identified his reads in rapid fashion by scanning the field and made decisive, accurate throws with zip through three practices.

Savage continues to make improvements, upgrading his skills since being drafted in the fourth round two years ago out of Pitt and spending all of last season on injured reserve with a sprained shoulder.


"Just getting the ball out quicker," Savage said. "That's big in the preseason. You have to get the ball out of your hands and be consistent."

A strong-armed, 6-4, 228-pound third-year pro, Savage played in two games as a rookie and completed 10 of 19 passes for 127 yards, no touchdowns and one interception. Savage passed for 5,690 yards, 37 touchdowns and 19 interceptions in college while playing for Rutgers, Arizona and Pitt.

Healthy again, the Texans quarterback is competing with Brandon Weeden for backup duties behind new starter Brock Osweiler.

"I'm competing every day," Savage said. "I'll never sit there and say I'm competing to be the backup. I'm going to be competing every day and prep like I'm the starter every week.
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did not see this, just in case someone missed it
Due to a scheduling change, tomorrow’s practice is now closed to the public. Tickets for tomorrow’s practice may be used on one of the following four dates:

August 4th, August 6th, August 7th or August 18th
 
Oldtimer said:
Offense has to do pushups three days into camp because of redzone failures? That's bush league, that's not Professional coaching. How will that improve the offense? The coaching staff had a chance to coach the offense up, take some time to direct guys about the mistakes they made, but instead they make them do pushups. That's not coaching.
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Your paragraph and logic is all wrong, drop and give me 10
 
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