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3rd round pick Braxton Miller WR Houston texans

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Not feelin' this draft.
 
Fili said:
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At 2:14 they have Miller being handed the ball from the Zone read. I can see lining up with 4 WRs with an empty backfield.

Defenses will respond with a dime set. We can motion Miller to the backfield & run the zone read right up the middle.

Or... we can run a jet sweep.
 
Fred said:
Err, great, you just made my point. Texans still need a starter at DE, S, TE, and probably DT and OT but they just drafted someone to be be the #5 WR.
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Higbee & Adams are still out there.

Devon Still or Covington can start at DE.

I'm bummed about not taking Von Bell or Green.
 
If you dont have the TE threat, you supplement with a slot or a rb or both. There will be alot of times where the te is in the game, but he's really the blocker.
 
Fred said:
Err, great, you just made my point. Texans still need a starter at DE, S, TE, and probably DT and OT but they just drafted someone to be be the #5 WR.
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Exactly. Neither do I think we have the luxury of grabbing an exotic offensive weapon like Miller when we have much more basic needs like OTs & Dts ?
 
badboy said:
He ran 4.46 at pro day which teams do look at.
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That's fine and dandy but when running w his peers on a neutral site he put up 4.5's.

Don't get me wrong, I think 40s in shorts is BS. I'm sure he plays faster in pads.
 
Feels like BoB really didn't like his offense last year. This is beyond an offensive makeover; it's like a facelift at this point. I wonder if this means BoB is finally ready to open that mystic playbook we all have been hearing about, but our QB's have been too stupid or inept to run?
 
chenjy9 said:
Feels like BoB really didn't like his offense last year. This is beyond an offensive makeover; it's like a facelift at this point. I wonder if this means BoB is finally ready to open that mystic playbook we all have been hearing about, but our QB's have been too stupid or inept to run?
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DeAndre, DBROWN76, & maybe Newt are the only returnin starters. It's one heck of an overhaul.
 
I was expecting Billings however Braxton's complete package will put defenses on notice. Slot receiver with ability to pass will keep LB's heads spinning.
 
bah007 said:
The answer to the TE problem is apparently to take them off the field and go four wide.

I'm fine with Miller if that's the plan.
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Definitely does seem like BoB's not so subtle way of telling us fans that rather than try and fix the TE position, he will just abandon the position altogether beyond the occasional blocking TE.

Fans: We need better TE's!
BoB: Screw TE's!
 
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm actually ok with seeing what Ryan Griffin can do. I mean don't get me wrong the guy will never be confused with Gronk or Graham, but he seems like a capable pass catcher that doesn't drop many balls.

The Texans have had zero ability to keep the safeties honest during O'Brien's tenure. Shorts was our fastest guy, and he's lost quite a bit over the years. So if we finally give Griffin some room to work, he might be a guy that can catch 4-5 balls a game and move the chains enough. Then you have Fuller to launch the deep ball to, Braxton Miller to do anything and everything with on the field, Lamar Miller to run the ball and be incredibly dangerous with screen passes, and Hopkins to continue working his way to becoming the best WR in the game.

Don't know about anyone else, but I am absolutely loving this draft. Yes, I'm a little worried about DL. I'm a little worried about Duane Brown. But I love the mixture on offense of Osweiler, Lamar, Braxton, Fuller, and Martin on offense. I think we could go from a bottom half of the league offense to a top 10 offense if Osweiler turns out to be the right investment.
 
Miller's injury history that led him to switch positions is an interesting one. There has purposely been little info presented re. the injuries. However, in essence he sustained a contact traumatic throwing shoulder labrum tear which was treated with a "minor" arthroscopic surgery.......evidently an excision/debridement of a segment of labrum. The unusual part of the story is that only 6 months following his surgery, he sustained a 2nd labral tear...........but this time noncontact...........extremely unusual. This led to a major shoulder labral repair (probably a surgery that should have been performed the first time. Labral tears/surgeries are especially concerning in an overhead movement position most readily appreciated in the context of QBs........but WR is also considered an overhead movement position. The good part of this story is that shoulder labral surgery is successful in 90% of cases and with a near 90% potential for return to pre-injury level. Contact shoulder trauma will probably always be somewhat of a concern for reinjury, less so at WR than QB (that not uncommonly gets driven to ground). However, it is a good sign that he was able to transition to a full year of success as a WR without apparent ongoing problems.

This article gives a good chronology to Miller's shoulder history.

'My eyebrows raised a little, too': Second shoulder surgery no easy road for
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Ohio State QB Braxton Miller, experts say

By Doug Lesmerises, Northeast Ohio Media Group
August 26, 2014 at 5:10 PM, updated August 26, 2014 at 6:21 PM
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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Braxton Miller's original surgery on his right shoulder in late February wasn't uncommon. Six months later, a second surgery on the same shoulder, required after the OSU QB reinjured it making a normal practice throw last Monday without taking a hit -- that raised some eyebrows.

"I think that's fair. My eyebrows raised a little, too, looking from the outside in," Dr. Mark Schickendantz, director of Cleveland Clinic Sports Health, told cleveland.com on Tuesday.

Schickendantz, the head team physician for the Indians and formerly the head team doctor for the Browns, spoke on the same day that Miller had surgery on his torn labrum in Florida performed by prominent sports surgeon Dr. James Andrews. Miller, in a post on his Instagram account, and Ohio State coach Urban Meyer, in a conference call with reporters, called the surgery a success.

"All the reports are that there are no surprises and everything went well," Meyer said.

It's not quite that simple. The surprise already happened – Miller needed a second surgery.

"Having an injury from throwing a single pass without any contact during a comeback from a labral repair, that would be unusual," said Dr. Orr Limpisvasti, an orthopaedic surgeon and sports medicine specialist at the Kerlin-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in California. "That's not typical."

In interviews with three orthopaedic surgeons from around the country, it was made clear that this second surgery means Miller is in for a longer recovery with a greater risk of having issues. All three also emphasized they had no details of Miller's injury. Some of the details from Ohio State have been hard to come by, starting with when the first surgery was called "minor." Reportedly both surgeries dealt with labral tears, though the degree of the injury wasn't specified.

None of the three doctors questioned Miller's care in any way, and Schickendantz praised the Ohio State medical team. But they provided a look at what, at this point, has to be considered a serious injury for any high-level quarterback.

The labrum is the ring of cartilage in which the shoulder joint rests. It's where the ligaments of the shoulder and biceps attach. As Dr. Schickendantz said, "a lot can go wrong with the labrum."

That's especially true for quarterbacks, who are basically unique among athletes in that they can hurt it two ways. The labrum can wear down and fray from overuse, as with other athletes who use an overhand motion, like baseball pitchers and tennis players. And it can be damaged if the shoulder takes a blow and dislocates or comes out of the socket and tears the labrum, as can happen to other football players. But they don't have to worry about throwing.

Miller's first injury came from taking a hit on the first drive of the Orange Bowl against Clemson, as Miller said he played through pain that was a 9.5 on a scale of 10. The second injury obviously came without contact, on what Meyer said was a 7-yard throw.

"I can tell you that the labrum doesn't heal particularly well," Dr. Schickendantz said. "The surgery is difficult, the blood supply is poor and it's hard to get these things to heal. It's a difficult thing to come back from.

"If you look across the board, successful return to play is not all that predictable. People don't understand how difficult it is to come back from that type of surgery. So I am not completely surprised he is having ongoing issues with the shoulder."

The fact that Miller was on his way back and had another problem helped show that difficulty. Miller's second injury occurred on Aug. 18, just short of six months from his original surgery on Feb. 21.

The first surgery could be described, for lack of a better word, as normal.

"You wouldn't think twice," Dr. Limpisvasti said. "It's not uncommon for elite quarterbacks to suffer a labral tear. And if there's good tissue to repair and enough time to rehab, they should do well."

Quarterbacks ranging from NFL players like Drew Brees, Mark Sanchez and Blaine Gabbert, to college players like West Virginia's Clint Trickett, who remains on track to start the season after his surgery in January, have undergone some type of labrum repair.

If examined, most quarterbacks would probably show some fraying of the labrum, or what Dr. Schickendantz called "normal wear and tear." But it's now that Miller, who smiled in a photo with Dr. Andrews after the procedure, is entering more serious territory.

Dr. Schickendatz said there is no thorough study, to his knowledge, of college football quarterbacks and torn labrums. But, in general, the doctors cited about a 10 to 15 percent rate of failure when it comes to these surgeries, in terms of the player getting back to his previous level.

And a second surgery on the same area is always more difficult than the first.

"For a lot of different injuries, we know the success rates are not quite as good the second time," said Dr. David Geier, an orthopaedic surgeon and sports medicine specialist in South Carolina. "But we don't have a lot of date of revision labral surgeries. It's just not all that common."

As Dr. Schickendatz said, take 100 patients off a first surgery and 100 off a second surgery, and the second group will have fewer coming back to full health.

That's what Miller will face. His injury came six months after the first surgery, but Meyer said the second recovery time will be more like nine months to 12 months. That timetable made sense to the doctors, who were, while unsure of the severity of the initial Miller surgery, a little surprised he was throwing after six months.

Everything from Miller's throwing mechanics, to his approach to rehab to the natural thickness of his labrum to the size of the tear will help determine how and when he gets back to football.

If the Buckeyes characterized Tuesday's news as good news, then there's reason for Ohio State and Miller to be optimistic. But as this second injury shows, nothing can be taken for granted, especially with the natural stress Miller will be putting on his labrum whenever he starts throwing again months down the line.

"The sweeping statement is it's never not a big deal," Dr. Limpisvasti said. "He may still do very well and get back and have terrific arm function. But that's two labral surgeries in six months in an elite quarterback in his throwing arm. So he's going to be asking a lot of it. And it's going to make it that much harder from a rehab standpoint to get the same outcome."
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22 (85) Houston Texans: Braxton Miller | Grade: B
Miller was getting second-round hype, but this is good value for him at this point. He’s a raw route runner but once he gets the ball in his hands, he’s a dynamic threat. He showed his shiftiness in his routes at times during Senior Bowl practice, but he just has to show that he can do it on a more consistent basis. He ran 88.1 percent of his routes from the slot last season
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...ft-pick-by-pick-grades-and-analysis-of-day-2/
 
I LOVE THIS PICK!

For the first time, BoB has a player he has to fit his system
around (with a lot of talent) -- instead of just looking for
players that "fit his system".

Guy would be great on trick pass plays too..
 
Pick up Greg Ward next year as a UDFA and you have two guys that
can make plays in the field out of the slot or with sweeps, shovels, etc.

--Kill our division foes with speed.
 
bah007 said:
The answer to the TE problem is apparently to take them off the field and go four wide.

I'm fine with Miller if that's the plan.
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With all the speed on the field now, graham should be able to do a little something...
 
People always have a tendency to ink draft picks in as starters - when the Reality is that most 3d rounders won't start their rookie Season. I don't think the Plan is for Braxton to be our 3d Receiver this year. I think the Plan is for him to be in on every ST play (including full returner Duties), get a couple of Chances at the wildcat and get a couple of snaps in the Slot. And that's all he Need to do to be a solid pick.

Remember he has only been a WR for 1 season And he doesn't have the Route tree down yet. I fully expect our usual WR set to be Hopkins And Fuller on the outside And Strong in as the Slot. That doesn't mean that this could change in the Future.

I am Not in Love with the pick since I would have preffered someone on the DLine, But it is a Real exciting pick. We sure got some exciting new toys on the Team. And Braxton is a guy, that will always Need the attention from the other team because of his skillset.
 
Braxton very well could be used in the Wildcat but don't expect him to do much of anything with his arm.

The rumors coming out of Ohio St after his second shoulder injury were that he literally cannot throw a football anymore. He only switched to WR because of that. If he could still throw he would still be trying to play QB.

That doesn't affect his versatility for me at all though. I care about what he can do from the slot and out of the backfield. Not gonna draft or not draft a guy based on the ability or possibility of performing maybe 3 or 4 trick plays per year.
 
MistaRed said:
UntamedFeline?
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Now that would be funny, name it something difficult for the announcers:

'On 3rd and 12 the Texans have their feral kitty formation on the field. Big risk they're short on time and the kitty normally needs warming up. But OB isn't one to overuse the kitty. He's going for it. It's ok as soon as this play is spent he can sleep til tomorrow.'
 
bah007 said:
Braxton very well could be used in the Wildcat but don't expect him to do much of anything with his arm.

The rumors coming out of Ohio St after his second shoulder injury were that he literally cannot throw a football anymore. He only switched to WR because of that. If he could still throw he would still be trying to play QB.

That doesn't affect his versatility for me at all though. I care about what he can do from the slot and out of the backfield. Not gonna draft or not draft a guy based on the ability or possibility of performing maybe 3 or 4 trick plays per year.
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That's actually only part of the story. Shoulder labral surgery in a quarterback where a repetitive forceful overhead motion mandatory, can take 2 years to really tell what skills he may finally be left with. As the 2015 season loomed, Miller actually was actually able to throw a very crisp accurate ball and at a still very impressive hard velocity of ~70 mph. The problem was that this velocity was attainable when he thew closer to a distance of 20 yds. By the time he attempted 40 yds, his velocity and accuracy plummeted. Ohio St was not willing to take the chance of coddling a QB while they found out if Miller was ever going to be able to return to his pre-injury level..........i.e., a complete collegiate QB.

Going into the NFL, now with NFL trainers and support systems, the Texans may discover that by increasing his strength and range of motion (which probably accounts for his distance restriction factor) he may have lesser limitations than last year. Certainly, I believe that Miller still probably possesses more than adequate passing abilities to function well as at least as a wildcat threat if the Texans chose to do so............certainly if called upon to deliver a ball 20 yds............now possibly maybe even farther.

All-in-all, it will be interesting to see how the Texans ultimately use him.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
That's actually only part of the story. Shoulder labral surgery in a quarterback where a repetitive forceful overhead motion mandatory, can take 2 years to really tell what skills he may finally be left with. As the 2015 season loomed, Miller actually was actually able to throw a very crisp accurate ball and at a still very impressive hard velocity of ~70 mph. The problem was that this velocity was attainable when he thew closer to a distance of 20 yds. By the time he attempted 40 yds, his velocity and accuracy plummeted. Ohio St was not willing to take the chance of coddling a QB while they found out if Miller was ever going to be able to return to his pre-injury level..........i.e., a complete collegiate QB.

Going into the NFL, now with NFL trainers and support system, the Texans may discover that by increasing his strength and range of motion (which probably accounts for his distance restriction factor) he may have lesser limitations than last year. Certainly, I believe that Miller still probably posses more than adequate passing abilities to function well as at least as a wildcat threat if the Texans chose to do so............certainly if called upon to deliver a ball 20 yds............now possibly maybe even farther.

All-in-all, it will be interesting to see how the Texans ultimately use him.
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If I am reading this right, then Miller could be a legit option to run the offense in certain situations? For example, many offenses have troubles in tight to the end zone; I think Miller would be an interesting option to run the offense in such situations (as long as he can throw) due to his legit passing ability and top-notch athleticism.
 
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