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Brock Osweiler agrees to 4 year 72 million

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Say Watt said:
You have yet to provide a rebuttal to the certainty that trading away future draft picks for a MAYBE franchise QB does not align with your philosophy of patience. Your argument is completely illogical.
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Patience is we're still waiting for the draft to happen. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

infantrycak said:
Dude got run out of the NSZ because his 'facts' didn't meet history. If you're looking for logic you're digging the wrong hole
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I left NSZ on my own accord because it was full of left wing Socialist and Communist propaganda and revisionist history that you're confusing with facts and any attempt in civil conversation was an exercise in futility
 
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Again I will say this again, Arguing with Texian is like arguing with a yellow brick wall.


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DBCooper said:
Done that before, she wasn't too happy
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Rolodex of jokes...

Texian said:
I left NSZ on my own accord because it was full of left wing Socialist and Communist propaganda and revisionist history that you're confusing with facts and any attempt in civil conversation was an exercise in futility
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You left the NSZ because you got spanked on Reagan facts. I know because I was the one who did it. Stick to your draft stuff because you're pretty good at that
 
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"We didn't just study the seven games," O'Brien told NFL Network's Steve Wyche on Sunday. "We studied all of the snaps he had. He is tough. He is an accurate passer. I like his leadership. Of all the people who have coached him, everybody spoke highly of him."

Said O'Brien: "We are really happy with our decision to sign him."

The coach then went on to confirm that last year's starter, Brian Hoyer, still has a place as "our backup," but emphasized: "The best move in that position was to go get Brock."
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FuzzyLogic said:
Common reply for people of your ilk, you can't comprehend it so it is asinine. I stand by the comment, and in the context it made sense, this is an open forum so I don't feel the need to justify my post to you. I'm done with you.
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If you're going to quote "my ilk" as you put it then prepare to defend your position especially when youre trying to justify a comparison between Elway who has been extremely successful in just 5 years as a GM to Smith who has been a walking disaster that most Texans fans want ran out of town. There isn't any rich history for you to even fall back on here. You're just a fan of a franchise that has been a losing one for the most part and you're piping off as if there has been a lot of success around here. Elway just won a SB with our old coach who we ran out of town because his roster was that good that even Kubes couldn't screw it up. And you want to waste people's time comparing Smith all because we got their QB they didn't want? Because we have Watt? Get lost man. This is laughable.
 
infantrycak said:
Dude got run out of the NSZ because his 'facts' didn't meet history. If you're looking for logic you're digging the wrong hole
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Yeah, pretty much the only conclusion I am left with. Seems like an otherwise nice guy, at least as far as I can tell. But Ronald Reagan's famous quote applies perfectly: it's not that he's ignorant; he just knows so many things that aren't so.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't remember it happening that way.
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Can you even name the topic?

I thought not.

Don't step into the tall weeds.

Say Watt said:
Yeah, pretty much the only conclusion I am left with. Seems like an otherwise nice guy, at least as far as I can tell. But Ronald Reagan's famous quote applies perfectly: it's not that he's ignorant; he just knows so many things that aren't so.
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He's good on player scouting. Get outside that and he's an area 51 yeti sighter.
 
infantrycak said:
Can you even name the topic?

I thought not.

Don't step into the tall weeds.



He's good on player scouting. Get outside that and he's an area 51 yeti sighter.
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I dont remember the topic, can you point me to it so I can come to my own conclusions?

I will say this Tex is great at finding unknown QB's and probably has more salary cap knowledge than Rick Smith does.

I just want to say for the record I disagree with Tex alot of the time.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't remember it happening that way.
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It didn't, it was a very brief encounter of an onslaught of Liberal propaganda mixed in with some Marxism, revising history and a what they didn't know they simply made up by a few who were not even old to vote for President Reagan. It was a complete waste of time and 30 minutes on of my life that I will never get back.

or as Ronald Reagan would say, "The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
 
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corytx8 said:
Again I will say this again, Arguing with Texian is like arguing with a yellow brick wall.


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I don't know about a yellow brick wall, I am familiar with a yellow brick road and yes for the most part I'm usually steadfast in my opinions. Like I've told others it's OK to disagree, there is nothing wrong with that. And if you want me to comment less then don't respond to my comments because I will show you the courtesy to respond.

One of the reasons why I am steadfast in my opinions is I've watched and studied 50-60 hours of Carson Wents and the same for Jared Goff. Most of those who disagree with me haven't.
 
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Texian said:
One of the reasons why I am steadfast in my opinions is I've watched and studied 50-60 hours of Carson Wents and the same for Jared Goff. Most of those who disagree with me haven't.
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I was with you until that last little bolded part at the end. Basically you're saying if you haven't watched 50-60 hours of both you can't possibly see something & think differently about them...& be right about it.

You tend to accentuate the positives about your guys & downplay their weaknesses or just flat out don't give them any credence when folks criticize your guys...You're too invested man. Doesn't mean you're wrong, but at least for me it's hard to take you seriously at times.
 
Mr teX said:
I was with you until that last little bolded part at the end. Basically you're saying if you haven't watched 50-60 hours of both you can't possibly see something & think differently about them...& be right about it.

You tend to accentuate the positives about your guys & downplay their weaknesses or just flat out don't give them any credence when folks criticize your guys...You're too invested man. Doesn't mean you're wrong, but at least for me it's hard to take you seriously at times.
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What you fail to mention or possibly not understand is there are many more players who I do similar research and study that I don't check the same boxes. You act as if I spent the last year watching a couple of games on two players and then fell madly in love. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact I started 2015 with Trevon Boykin on the Top of my list and today he's no where to be found.

This past Summer I spent a good amount of time studying and researching roughly 10 QBs. There were two that I thought would make a difference for the Texans, the other 8 or so were JAGs. I then established Threads for what I believed were the Top 5 that many followed and read through out the season. I believe if you had put in a similar amount of time researching and studying. you too would be as steadfast in your opinions and thoughts.
 
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Texian said:
What you fail to mention or possibly not understand is there are many more players who I do similar research and study that I don't check the same boxes. You act as if I spent the last year watching a couple of games on two players and then fell madly in love. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact I started 2015 with Trevon Boykin on the Top of my list and today he's no where to be found.

This past Summer I spent a good amount of time studying and researching roughly 10 QBs. There were two that I thought would make a difference for the Texans, the other 8 or so were JAGs. I then established Threads for what I believed were the Top 5 that many followed and read through out the season. I believe if you had put in a similar amount of time researching and studying. you too would be as steadfast in your opinions and thoughts.
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don't have a problem with you being steadfast in your thoughts..what I take issue with you at times is how you dismiss thoses who don't spend as much time as you.
 
I think all this trade up and draft X QB is just nonsense after the Titans GM gave a hint of the price tag. I think the Tacks are perfectly willing to sit there and take Tunsil at 1.1 to protect their shiny, new QB. Mariotta took a beating last season. That's a surefire way to ruin a promising young QB and there's no way Tunsil makes it past the Chargers if the Tacks trade down.
 
Mr teX said:
don't have a problem with you being steadfast in your thoughts..what I take issue with you at times is how you dismiss thoses who don't spend as much time as you.
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I respond in kind with same respect folks show me. There are times I will respond to Snark and Belligerence with Snark and Belligerence, that's not likely to change. If you find it troubling then best you stop reading.
 
DocBar said:
I think all this trade up and draft X QB is just nonsense after the Titans GM gave a hint of the price tag. I think the Tacks are perfectly willing to sit there and take Tunsil at 1.1 to protect their shiny, new QB. Mariotta took a beating last season. That's a surefire way to ruin a promising young QB and there's no way Tunsil makes it past the Chargers if the Tacks trade down.
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What do you think about trading up to the third spot... Chargers, or 4th Cowboys?
 
thunderkyss said:
What do you think about trading up to the third spot... Chargers, or 4th Cowboys?
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The Texans doing that? I think they would be nucking futs if they did that. Who is worth that kind move, since the Texans paid Os. I can't think of a player the Texans could possibly value to move up that far. Elliot is the only player that I would be ok with moving up to get, but I'd rather they didn't.

I'm for Spriggs or a DT in the 1st. I have no faith in Brown making a successful comeback and the team needs to get it's NT of the future ASAP.
 
DocBar said:
The Texans doing that? I think they would be nucking futs if they did that. Who is worth that kind move, since the Texans paid Os. I can't think of a player the Texans could possibly value to move up that far. Elliot is the only player that I would be ok with moving up to get, but I'd rather they didn't.

I'm for Spriggs or a DT in the 1st. I have no faith in Brown making a successful comeback and the team needs to get it's NT of the future ASAP.
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I only asked since you referenced the Titans' asking price.
 
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Osweiler looks a lot like Marco Rubio
 
I know there are some guys who have the ability and time to watch hours and hours of tape on guys. But it's like watching hours and hours of a TV show. That doesn't really qualify you for becoming an actor on that show, or for writing or directing an episode, because just watching the show doesn't give you enough insight on what actually goes into making it.

I remember someone who watched a lot of tape (could have been Texian, could have been Three Toed Pete, or someone else) making a comment about someone rolling out and holding the ball angled away from the line of scrimmage that showed pretty clearly that he didn't understand the mechanics of throwing on the run. And then there have been those times when we've gotten into dissecting a tape of this or that because we've disagreed on who made a mistake.

But if we're looking at an offensive line and discussing who made a mistake, I'm going to trust someone like Thunderkyss more than most people because he's played those positions at a fairly high level and understand more of what he's looking at. But even then, he doesn't really know all the assignments that were called on that play and he has to guess about who made a mistake.

Even professional scouts watch tons of tape on guys, and understand much more about what they're seeing and studying, still get invested in guys they think are good, and they're wrong about them.

So, for me, some duffer sitting at his computer watching a game over and over doesn't give him that much more credibility than someone who hasn't. I applaud him on his efforts and I realize that he'll occasionally be right, but he will just as often be wrong.
 
chenjy9 said:
The way he acts reminds me of the stucked up kid in high school that thought he knew it all and was too stupid or stubborn to get why people disliked him and why he was getting picked on all the time...
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You assume that I care whether you like me or not, I don't.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I know there are some guys who have the ability and time to watch hours and hours of tape on guys. But it's like watching hours and hours of a TV show. That doesn't really qualify you for becoming an actor on that show, or for writing or directing an episode, because just watching the show doesn't give you enough insight on what actually goes into making it.

I remember someone who watched a lot of tape (could have been Texian, could have been Three Toed Pete, or someone else) making a comment about someone rolling out and holding the ball angled away from the line of scrimmage that showed pretty clearly that he didn't understand the mechanics of throwing on the run. And then there have been those times when we've gotten into dissecting a tape of this or that because we've disagreed on who made a mistake.

But if we're looking at an offensive line and discussing who made a mistake, I'm going to trust someone like Thunderkyss more than most people because he's played those positions at a fairly high level and understand more of what he's looking at. But even then, he doesn't really know all the assignments that were called on that play and he has to guess about who made a mistake.

Even professional scouts watch tons of tape on guys, and understand much more about what they're seeing and studying, still get invested in guys they think are good, and they're wrong about them.

So, for me, some duffer sitting at his computer watching a game over and over doesn't give him that much more credibility than someone who hasn't. I applaud him on his efforts and I realize that he'll occasionally be right, but he will just as often be wrong.
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Until you have actually walked in those shoes you have no idea what you are talking about....until then you are just guessing....making it up as you go along.

According to your ramblings, a person could indulge himself in 8 hours of Alex Gibbs teachings and instructions in the Zone Blocking System, take notes and review it multiple times and they would be no smarter than before they started.




Or you could read and study a half dozen books on West Coast Offense, how it works and how to coach it, along with a dozen Bill Walsh articles about WCO and according to you, a person would be no smarter or better informed than when he picked up the first book.

https://www.google.com/search?q=zon...&oe=utf-8#q=books+west+coast+offense&tbm=shop

I don't think that's how it works, in this case, you couldn't be more wrong.
 
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Texian said:
Until you have actually walked in those shoes you have no idea what you are talking about....until then you are just guessing....making it up as you go along.

According to your ramblings, a person could indulge himself in 8 hours of Alex Gibbs teachings and instructions in the Zone Blocking System, take notes and review it multiple times and they would be no smarter than before they started.

I don't think that's how it works, in this case, you couldn't be more wrong.
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One of the biggest dangers in learning a little bit about something is to think you know it all. You can watch hundreds of hours of Alex Gibbs video and still not know it like you'd have to know it as a coach. And a player has a different perspective on it and a different understanding of it than a coach does; neither understanding is wrong, but neither understanding is complete. You can study all the books on the WCO you want, but that doesn't give you the real knowledge of implementing the system and finding the right players to fill it. Even coaches who know their system better than you could possibly imagine, and know how to implement that system, fail when evaluating talent and figuring out the right pieces to make their team go. The knowledge required is related, but not all encompassing.

There are all these guys on the TV who have worked in the business, as players, as coaches, and scouts, and they disagree about how good or bad players are. They've studied more tape than you. They've listened to more lectures from coaches than you.

But YOU? No, you've watched some videos and read some books and so you're the best talent evaluator and capologist who's ever walked the face of the planet.

People do this all the time. They get a little bit of knowledge and think they have it all. They overestimate their own competence.

So, good on you for taking the time to learn more about football. Believe it or not, I've listened to lectures, read books, and studied film, too. And I know it's very satisfying to watch a game and see more and more of the intricacies and the strategies involved. I've got no doubt that you've watched and studied more than I have and so recognize more of the intricacies than I do. However, you overestimate your competence.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
One of the biggest dangers in learning a little bit about something is to think you know it all. You can watch hundreds of hours of Alex Gibbs video and still not know it like you'd have to know it as a coach. And a player has a different perspective on it and a different understanding of it than a coach does; neither understanding is wrong, but neither understanding is complete. You can study all the books on the WCO you want, but that doesn't give you the real knowledge of implementing the system and finding the right players to fill it. Even coaches who know their system better than you could possibly imagine, and know how to implement that system, fail when evaluating talent and figuring out the right pieces to make their team go. The knowledge required is related, but not all encompassing.

There are all these guys on the TV who have worked in the business, as players, as coaches, and scouts, and they disagree about how good or bad players are. They've studied more tape than you. They've listened to more lectures from coaches than you.

But YOU? No, you've watched some videos and read some books and so you're the best talent evaluator and capologist who's ever walked the face of the planet.

People do this all the time. They get a little bit of knowledge and think they have it all. They overestimate their own competence.

So, good on you for taking the time to learn more about football. Believe it or not, I've listened to lectures, read books, and studied film, too. And I know it's very satisfying to watch a game and see more and more of the intricacies and the strategies involved. I've got no doubt that you've watched and studied more than I have and so recognize more of the intricacies than I do. However, you overestimate your competence.
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That's a lot of words!

I think he needs to see that's there's more than one way to skin a cat!
 
Touching on Brock's side arm throwing motion and what was done while he was at Denver to work on it.

"He was more of a side arm guy coming out of Arizona State and he was really working mechanically to become more of an over-the-top, three-quarters passer," Gase said. "Just to see his development during that time, we felt really good with his throws and his accuracy. And I know it was kind of like a pro-day type mentality, but he showed us enough to where we saw he was making progress."
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http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-tex...w-a-future-starter-in-texan-qb-brock-osweiler
 
Texans owner: Brock Osweiler wanted to get out of Elway and Manning's shadow
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BOCA RATON, Fla. -- During his introduction to Houston, Texans quarterback Brock Osweiler said he felt the Texans gave him the best chance to succeed. Today at the NFL owners meetings, Texans owner Bob McNair shed a little more light on what exactly that meant.

In part, it was a chance to create his own legacy, away from the shadow of two of the best quarterbacks ever to play the game.

"I guess the thing that really helped us is that he does like our offense, and Coach [Bill] O'Brien gives the quarterback a little more leeway at the line of scrimmage and all quarterbacks like that," McNair said. "I think that helped. And then of course he had played behind Peyton [Manning] and with [executive vice president of football operations/general manager] John Elway there. Their shadows were quite large. He was still going to be under that and compared to them. He has a chance to be a real hero in Houston. And we’ve got a good ball club so I think all those things entered into it."

McNair said Osweiler's agent told the Texans those factors were important.

Osweiler signed with Houston on a four-year deal worth $72 million, with $37 million guaranteed. His agents had little communication with the Broncos after their initial offer, and didn't allow a counter offer once the Texans reached the number Osweiler ultimately signed for. There is some feeling that Osweiler might have left Denver even if the money were the same, and this aligns with that thinking.

One might assume a signing like this is one to which the general manager and head coach tie themselves. If the player fails, they suffer the consequences. McNair isn't seeing it that simplistically. He first answered with a simple no.

"Number 1, I don't expect that to happen," McNair said of Osweiler failing. "If we didn't think he had the ability and the attitude to be a winner for us we wouldn't have signed him to that kind of contract. I have every confidence he will succeed. How good will he be remains to be seen. Will he be average or will he be a superstar? But I think he'll be more than adequate in any case. That's what we were looking for in the past. If the quarterback doesn't turn the ball over with our defense and our running game, we've got a chance to beat anybody. But when the quarterback turns the ball over, anybody can beat you if they don't turn it over."

The Texans saw that firsthand in the playoffs when Brian Hoyer turned the ball over five times on the way to a 30-0 Texans loss to Kansas City.
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Texecutioner said:
If you're going to quote "my ilk" as you put it then prepare to defend your position especially when youre trying to justify a comparison between Elway who has been extremely successful in just 5 years as a GM to Smith who has been a walking disaster that most Texans fans want ran out of town. There isn't any rich history for you to even fall back on here. You're just a fan of a franchise that has been a losing one for the most part and you're piping off as if there has been a lot of success around here. Elway just won a SB with our old coach who we ran out of town because his roster was that good that even Kubes couldn't screw it up. And you want to waste people's time comparing Smith all because we got their QB they didn't want? Because we have Watt? Get lost man. This is laughable.
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At least Texian only bases half of his evaluation of Oz on his hatred of Rick Smith and his love of John Elway - for you it seems to be 100%. If Oz had re-signed with Denver, then he would be a great QB, and the brillant Elway would have outfoxed the dunce Smith. But since Oz signed with Houston, then by definition, Elway didn't want him and he is a terrible QB, and Elway outfoxed Smith.

Although I agree that the overall evaluation of Elway is better than Smith, I can see that in this case Rick outfoxed Johnny and stole his starting QB. You can't admit that even in one case that Smith could ever get the best of Elway, but it happened.

Enjoy wearing your Broncos "Sanchez" jersey.
 

That Os had enough moxie to bring the Broncos back and defeat the NE Patriots showed me enough to know he was worth snagging if we could. A 4th qtr, two-minutes left, comeback to beat the reigning champs is nothing to sneeze at. I don't believe any QB on our 2014/2015 rosters would have pulled that off. I'm not sure any other 2015 F/A QB has that on his recent resume'.

Even if you don't think this was the right move for us, you have to admit, he made big time throws against big time competition. (did I mention those were the reigning champs he came back on?)
 
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Hi folks - first time poster, thanks for having me. I've been reading this thread the past couple days and I think I agree with most here (all but one as far as I can tell) in that signing Os was the best move available to the Texans. I'm not sold on him becoming an elite level QB, but I do think he is almost a lock to be at the very least a second tier, top half of the league type talent that they can win with. I also have a good bit of faith in BoB's ability to get the most out of him. He's pulled career years out of the two guys he's had, and I see no reason to think he can't do the same with this guy. While Goff and Wentz might project to ultimately be more, I don't think the Texans had any realistic chance of landing either of them. I think had they decided to get their QB via this draft, we most likely would be looking at Cook or maybe Lynch. I think Os projects better than either of them, at least in the near future. Anyway, for my two cents, I believe they made the best move available to them and I'm feeling better about our team's future fortunes than I have in quite a long time.
 
Bane said:
...signing Os was the best move available to the Texans. I'm not sold on him becoming an elite level QB...

While Goff and Wentz might project to ultimately be more...
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Who is elite? Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger?

No matter where you draw the line, only one of those guys was "projected" to be elite. The rest of them had their flaws & at best, projected to be tier 2 QBs.

I personally don't believe you can project who will be elite, at least not with any accuracy. I look for tier two guys with the right mental make up & hope our staff provide the right environment. Mix it up & see what happens.

Welcome to TexansTalk.
 
thunderkyss said:
I personally don't believe you can project who will be elite, at least not with any accuracy. I look for tier two guys with the right mental make up & hope our staff provide the right environment. Mix it up & see what happens.
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I agree with that philosophy. The draft is always a gamble. I think the signing of Os is much less of one. He's shown me enough in big NFL games to make me think he's got the stuff to be very good eventually. He's got some work to do, he definitely has his flaws, but I think he has the tools to play well for this team.
 
Lucky said:
Then I'll continue to quote your weak, unsupported posts and prove that you're an anti-Texan troll. So that's where we stand.
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That's your prerogative but I'm not going to tell what you can and can't say or to shut up and move on. Do what you must. anti-Texan troll is an oxymoron, I think what you meant to say is a Texan Troll
 
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