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Brock Osweiler agrees to 4 year 72 million

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Uncle Rico said:
Osweiler is just using the Texans to drive up the Broncos offer, which they will. Why exactly is this guy in a rush to leave Denver again? Disrespected about Manning getting reinserted? Doesnt like the QB friendly system Koobs employs? Maybe the HOF QB in the front office just doesnt connect with him? Rather wake up to the concrete mountains in Houston vs some of the most beautiful scenery in the country? Not sure why coming here seems like the much better option. Screams leverage move.

Hell I'd take Fitzy over Osweiler if the intent is to still draft the QB of the future this year and start the process.
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More money... preferred system (for whatever reason)... sales job by O'brien and company... chronic dry skin... who knows
 
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Double Barrel said:
Just curious, but what leverage do you think the Broncos have to not let him get away?

They don't have a choice in the matter. They made their offer, and now the ball is completely in Brock's court to either hit it back or check out other offers.

The Broncos have way too many players to sign right now to try to compete with other teams for Brock. They made their offer and most likely hope he gives them a so-called "hometown discount".

However, Brock could be looking at millions of dollars in difference between the Broncos offer and what other teams will offer him. And with a team like the Texans, there is a lot here that he could really be enticed by beyond the dollars.



If they sign Brock, it will be because of McNair, not in spite of him. And if they are chatting with Brock's agent right now, I have no doubt that it is directly related to McNair's QB mandate a month or so ago. He most likely has his GM and HC and staff figure out who they would like on some kind of evaluation scale, and then gives them the green light to make it happen within predetermined financial parameters.

McNair saw what we saw in Brock. Lots of talent and potential and a player that appears to be an almost perfect fit for what O'Brien has stated he wants in a QB.
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Bob McNair injecting himself in to finding a QB is directly related to OB's ability to only find some of the worst QBs possible. This situation is much like McNair injecting himself in to hiring a Defensive Coordinator (Wade Phillips) after Kubiak showed an ability to only hire some of the worst.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Osweiler is just using the Texans to drive up the Broncos offer, which they will. Why exactly is this guy in a rush to leave Denver again? Disrespected about Manning getting reinserted? Doesnt like the QB friendly system Koobs employs? Maybe the HOF QB in the front office just doesnt connect with him? Rather wake up to the concrete mountains in Houston vs some of the most beautiful scenery in the country? Not sure why coming here seems like the much better option. Screams leverage move.

Hell I'd take Fitzy over Osweiler if the intent is to still draft the QB of the future this year and start the process.
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This is why I won't get my hopes up.

You could be right about Brock using the Texans, but I'm just not sure that the Broncos will have much more to offer financially when you consider everyone else they need/want to sign right now. According to the Denver Post, "the Broncos have the lowest adjusted [cap] number in the NFL....Denver headed into free agency Monday with about $8.7 million in cap space, the second lowest figure, according to Spotrac."

And according to the talking heads on NFLN, the Broncos have a take it or leave it attitude about Brock. They rightly feel that they have the best team for his situation since he's been there and is familiar with the system, but what if the Texans offer a few million more a year? Crazy money, of course, but that kind of jack can sure diminish those intangibles like mountain views and a former QB GM.
 
Texian said:
Bob McNair injecting himself in to finding a QB is directly related to OB's ability to only find some of the worst QBs possible.
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Please Mallett and Hoyer had OB written all over them and Fitz was the Hoyer clone available the 1st season.

Double Barrel said:
Denver headed into free agency Monday with about $8.7 million in cap space, the second lowest figure, according to Spotrac."
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With their moves so far they have moved it up to about $28 mil.
 
Texian said:
Bob McNair injecting himself in to finding a QB is directly related to OB's ability to only find some of the worst QBs possible. This situation is much like McNair injecting himself in to hiring a Defensive Coordinator (Wade Phillips) after Kubiak showed an ability to only hire some of the worst.
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infantrycak said:
Please Mallett and Hoyer had OB written all over them and Fitz was the Hoyer clone available the 1st season.
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I think it came out a little funny, but I think that's what he meant there...That OB has been bad at finding QB's so McNair is now interjecting. I think.
 
I think brock is just following the advice of his agent dine around and make Denver raise dat price up

Houston is just getting played along with any other team
 
Perhaps. Or, maybe he isn't ignorant and sees all the guys that are packing their stuff and going where the money is since Denver has all these cap issues. If all these TexansTalk "experts" know about their cap problems you think he doesn't know what's going on? I'm sure he knows Denver won't be in another super bowl anytime soon, so why not move around and head to a team who'll still have a good defense intact and in need of a starting QB, and has a legitimate chance to be a serious contender?

I don't really care for Osweiler, but I doubt it's just a show. What's the incentive for staying in Denver without having all the guys that played a major role in the Broncos getting to Super Bowl 50?
 
This guy scares me. Very little track record and was subbed for an absolutely
mediocre Manning.

Why pay this guy so much? Seems like a risky move.

Besides, I thought BoB wanted to get rid of Kubiak system guys?
 
speedfreek said:
This guy scares me. Very little track record and was subbed for an absolutely
mediocre Manning.

Why pay this guy so much? Seems like a risky move.

Besides, I thought BoB wanted to get rid of Kubiak system guys?
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Did Kubiak draft him?
 
speedfreek said:
This guy scares me. Very little track record and was subbed for an absolutely
mediocre Manning.

Why pay this guy so much? Seems like a risky move.

Besides, I thought BoB wanted to get rid of Kubiak system guys?
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Apparently he hates kubiaks offense.
 
Can't help but notice that Lardass (McClain) all over the Internet shooting down all the Osweiler rumors. He just posted
"Texans have too many needs at other positions to be spending that kind of money on Osweiler"

Does this dude have any real inside scoop, or is he just a blowhard? He has spent the last couple of days saying the Texans will not sign Osweiler.
 
Mangler said:
Can't help but notice that Lardass (McClain) all over the Internet shooting down all the Osweiler rumors. He just posted
"Texans have too many needs at other positions to be spending that kind of money on Osweiler"

Does this dude have any real inside scoop, or is he just a blowhard? He has spent the last couple of days saying the Texans will not sign Osweiler.
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It is his system: play the odds and come out strong against a rumor/report, claim credit if he is correct... if the rumor proves true, then he presents a story about how things changed after his initial report.
 
Mangler said:
Can't help but notice that Lardass (McClain) all over the Internet shooting down all the Osweiler rumors. He just posted
"Texans have too many needs at other positions to be spending that kind of money on Osweiler"

Does this dude have any real inside scoop, or is he just a blowhard? He has spent the last couple of days saying the Texans will not sign Osweiler.
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There ya go. Welcome to Houston, Brock.
 
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Mangler said:
Does this dude have any real inside scoop, or is he just a blowhard? He has spent the last couple of days saying the Texans will not sign Osweiler.
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No scoop. He makes it up as he goes and says it with authority. His credibility is left over from the 90's oilers and he's made a career of it. Rarely does he reveal anything news worthy related to the Texans. I still tune in from time to time on the radio wanting him to say something worthwhile but it always reverts back to old oilers stories or movies. Click. 790. Click. 1560. Damn commercials. Click. 610. Rinse and repeat.
 
Double Barrel said:
Well said, man. I'm trying not to get my hopes up right now about Brock, but man, I'd be pretty excited about 2016 if it happened.
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I don't think oz or miller are great players but i think both can be better then average. The prospect of getting both and how much it would free up our draft this year are exciting to me. Sign our guys. Sign those guys. Follow it up with a legit draft...we might be in the conversation for contender.

If the draft is football's Christmas, free agency is Christmas eve. I'm tired of getting coals.
 
Mangler said:
Can't help but notice that Lardass (McClain) all over the Internet shooting down all the Osweiler rumors. He just posted
"Texans have too many needs at other positions to be spending that kind of money on Osweiler"

Does this dude have any real inside scoop, or is he just a blowhard? He has spent the last couple of days saying the Texans will not sign Osweiler.
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Can't find that - you got a link?
 
Qbs always get paid on potential. They could look brilliant by signing Brock to 15 per year and he produces like Romo or Schaub before pick 6s or they could look foolish by paying that amount and he plays badly and regresses. Either way, I've never met a safe millionaire. You don't succeed by working a job 40 years and get a gold watch and retire. If you want to jump in the nfl superbowl carousel,you have to get a qb.
 
thunderkyss said:
Right... if only the draft was before free agency right? The Texans don't have the luxury to sleep on a possible franchise QB. They need to be turning over every stone. If we picked in the top 5, chances are we wouldn't be as aggressive going after Os. But at 22, there's no guarantee that even Cook will be there.

Imagine they get to the draft & can't work a deal to get the guy they want. Then end up missing on the QBs they give a first round grade to. Should they reach & take their next highest graded QB in the first? Maybe that's Driskel, can you imagine taking Driskel in the first? If there's a run in the first, Driskel may not be there for us in the 2nd. Or we end up having to give away more than we wanted to trade up to get him.

I'm not sold on Osweiler either, but I can't imagine the Texans not trying to make this team better, exploring all possibilities.
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thunderkyss said:
Right... if only the draft was before free agency right? The Texans don't have the luxury to sleep on a possible franchise QB. They need to be turning over every stone. If we picked in the top 5, chances are we wouldn't be as aggressive going after Os. But at 22, there's no guarantee that even Cook will be there.

Imagine they get to the draft & can't work a deal to get the guy they want. Then end up missing on the QBs they give a first round grade to. Should they reach & take their next highest graded QB in the first? Maybe that's Driskel, can you imagine taking Driskel in the first? If there's a run in the first, Driskel may not be there for us in the 2nd. Or we end up having to give away more than we wanted to trade up to get him.

I'm not sold on Osweiler either, but I can't imagine the Texans not trying to make this team better, exploring all possibilities.
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I'll take a QB with NFL experience, that only costs the owner money, over trading a butt load of draft picks for a complete unknown at the NFL level.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Right... if only the draft was before free agency right? The Texans don't have the luxury to sleep on a possible franchise QB. They need to be turning over every stone. If we picked in the top 5, chances are we wouldn't be as aggressive going after Os. But at 22, there's no guarantee that even Cook will be there.

Imagine they get to the draft & can't work a deal to get the guy they want. Then end up missing on the QBs they give a first round grade to. Should they reach & take their next highest graded QB in the first? Maybe that's Driskel, can you imagine taking Driskel in the first? If there's a run in the first, Driskel may not be there for us in the 2nd. Or we end up having to give away more than we wanted to trade up to get him.

I'm not sold on Osweiler either, but I can't imagine the Texans not trying to make this team better, exploring all possibilities.
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thunderkyss said:
Right... if only the draft was before free agency right? The Texans don't have the luxury to sleep on a possible franchise QB. They need to be turning over every stone. If we picked in the top 5, chances are we wouldn't be as aggressive going after Os. But at 22, there's no guarantee that even Cook will be there.

Imagine they get to the draft & can't work a deal to get the guy they want. Then end up missing on the QBs they give a first round grade to. Should they reach & take their next highest graded QB in the first? Maybe that's Driskel, can you imagine taking Driskel in the first? If there's a run in the first, Driskel may not be there for us in the 2nd. Or we end up having to give away more than we wanted to trade up to get him.

I'm not sold on Osweiler either, but I can't imagine the Texans not trying to make this team better, exploring all possibilities.
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I'll take a QB with NFL experience, that only costs the owner money, over trading a butt load of draft picks for a complete unknown at the NFL level.
 
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Additionally, if you want a top guy you'll have to trade up, which will take a boat load of picks. In recent history, I can't think of one instance where a team gave up a boat load of picks for a player and it actually worked out well.

Herschel Walker - didn't work for the Vikes

Ricky Williams - not the Saints

RG3 - not the Redskins
 
Qbs always get paid on potential. They could look brilliant by signing Brock to 15 per year and he produces like Romo or Schaub before pick 6s or they could look foolish by paying that amount and he plays badly and regresses. Either way, I've never met a safe millionaire. You don't succeed by working a job 40 years and get a gold watch and retire. If you want to jump in the nfl superbowl carousel,you have to get a qb.
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ent-negotiated-since-team-made-opening-offer/
With Peyton Manning retired, an ominous note arrives from James Palmer of NFL Media, who reports that the Broncos have not negotiated with Osweiler’s representatives since making an initial offer to Osweiler several days ago.

It’s not known whether the offer from the Broncos was made in response to a demand from Osweiler’s agent, Jimmy Sexton, or whether the Broncos made the first move. The safer guess is that Osweiler stated an opening position, the Broncos responded, and now Denver is waiting to hear back from Sexton.
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I heard somewhere that Denver offer was a take it or leave it. If thats truly the case he's a Texan tomorrow.
 
mussop said:
I heard somewhere that Denver offer was a take it or leave it. If thats truly the case he's a Texan tomorrow.
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That appears to be correct. NFLN said they've stopped negotiating. Note that doesn't mean they aren't in contact anymore. It just means that Denver isn't re-negotiating the original price. We have a chance to outbid them here and it seems Denver is trying to hardball a little here and sell him on taking a discount to play with the defending champs.
 
Texans will have to overpay to get him to leave I would assume everyone knows that, and it just shows the Smith regime in a nutshell. We blow picks in 2-4 rounds go out and overpay to cover the holes in free agency get in salary cap hell, cut starters to align cap and rinse and repeat cycle again.
 
Let's get it done with a big offer!
Brock Osweiler as a Texan excites me.

Nuk Hopkins would become the best WR in the league.
He's already top five with the mediocre QBs we've had.
 
mussop said:
I heard somewhere that Denver offer was a take it or leave it. If thats truly the case he's a Texan tomorrow.
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Well, during the end of the week (weekend) is fine too. We won't have enough cap space to sign Lamar Miller after we land Brock Osweiler. That's what the #22 pick is for.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
We'll see. I heard the Cowboys are hard on Lamar Miller. I'm more focused on getting our QB situation settled first and foremost.
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If they don't sign him it won't be because they don't have the cap room, regardless of if they sign Osweiler or not

The Cowboys don't have squat for cap room... they are in true cap hell
 
Where are you guys getting the cap space to sign Brock and Miller though? Or am I looking at an outdated salary cap list? Send me a new link to an updated one.

I see the Jaguars have the most cap space...
And they've been busy today using some of it.
 
Oh, I see. Adam Schefter is on NFL Network right now saying the Texans are the frontrunners for Lamar Miller offering a little over $6 million a year.

Silly me. I was thinking he was looking for bigger money. That seems like a bargin. I thought teams were offering him a lot more than that.

It makes sense then if the Cowboys were in the hunt with their limited cap space. Please forgive me then guys. Maybe I confused Lamar Miller with somebody else.
 
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DX-TEX said:
42 million to be exact. If they sign Brock I fully expect Hoyer to be cut and that would add another 5 million to that
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Equally important, is their cap situation in future years: 2017-18. The Texans are currently about $60 million under the 2017 cap (assuming it remains the same)... with room to maneuver (JJoseph can be cut and save $7 million, for instance)... and, they don't have many significant players becoming free agents. So, they have a wealth of cap room to build a team aggressively.
 
dalemurphy said:
Equally important, is their cap situation in future years: 2017-18. The Texans are currently about $60 million under the 2017 cap (assuming it remains the same)... with room to maneuver (JJoseph can be cut and save $7 million, for instance)... and, they don't have many significant players becoming free agents. So, they have a wealth of cap room to build a team aggressively.
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Well there it is.

Cap will only keep rising due to the new TV deals. Its ok to roll the dice on Brock and just be happy they are finally trying to address it. Personally I believe tomorrow they will announce Brock, Miller, Benjamin and Brooks all at the same time as your newest Texans
 
dalemurphy said:
Equally important, is their cap situation in future years: 2017-18. The Texans are currently about $60 million under the 2017 cap (assuming it remains the same)...
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The Broncos are currently about $74 mil under in 2017.

These future years are kind of irrelevant to examine this early in the offseason.
 
For what it's worth, Pancakes says that Denver offered Oz 3 yrs / $39M. Can go up to $45M if he hits all the incentives. They are willing to go up to $15M at the highest.

Brock's agent wants $18M like Bradford just got. I expect his market to fall around $16-17M. If Texans offer $17M I think he will choose Houston.
 
I found this while googling news about Osweiler. Granted, the writer is pulling this out of his ass, but the idea is still amusing.

One of the teams that is expected to make an offer for Manziel is the Denver Broncos...
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Link

What a penance to pay for a Super Bowl... Book-ended by entire seasons of Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel.

Of course, this is not happening since 1) Elway is not a freakinig idiot, and 2) Elway rather likes Kubiak, and is uninterested in strapping led boots to him.
 
Brisco_County said:
I found this while googling news about Osweiler. Granted, the writer is pulling this out of his ass, but the idea is still amusing.



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What a penance to pay for a Super Bowl... Book-ended by entire seasons of Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel.

Of course, this is not happening since 1) Elway is not a freakinig idiot, and 2) Elway rather likes Kubiak, and is uninterested in strapping led boots to him.
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I think I lost 10 IQ points after reading what is in that link.
 
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