Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
So keep Daniels who was going through his set of injuries at the time huh?
Maybe they should keep Foster?
Maybe they should keep Foster?
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Texans Cutting Foster...
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dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I totally disagree. Hoyer will be gone, but cutting him before making their big move at QB (whatever that will be) could expose their plans and complicate their bargaining position.
Having Hoyer already shows the Texans don't have a qb at all. Nobody is fooled.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Doc, Arian's Instagram is worthy of it's own thread. Any chance you could post it as a stand alone so that everyone can have a chance to read it?
This move was expected, so this should not come as a shock to anyone. Foster was a great Texan and I'm sorry to see him go but this is a business and when you can't stay on the field you have no value to the team.
Anyone know how much extra money we now have in FA, or what's our total amount of free money for FA and draft now?
Anyone know how much extra money we now have in FA, or what's our total amount of free money for FA and draft now?
If Arian were a cell phone plan, sure.
I'm too sentimental about things like this. Players who've defined what a Houston Texans is.
I understand eventually he was going to have to go. & if we became a better team the minute we cut him, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
I'm not a big Schaub fan, but he set the bar. We became a better team the minute we let him go & the Texans appeared to be a classy organization the way they went about it. Even got a 7th round pick for him when none of us thought they would.
To me, this feels like firing Kubiak weeks after he suffered a mild stroke. This is the kind of thing I'd look down on, if I were a player looking for a new home. Not the kind of organization I want to invest my blood, sweat, tears, & my health on.
David Carr gets a golden handshake. Quessenberry is taken care of. Foster has done more for this team than they ever will, same as Andre & they get a golden shower.
& Hoyer is still on the team. Now that's a f'ckd up cell plan.
were over 40 million. Dont know the exact number.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Because the Texans needing a QB is a secret?
according to over the cap we are now at 42.8
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
No, because how and when they plan to address it is still unknown.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Not true... Plenty of fans are worried that the Texans plan to keep Hoyer. It stands to reason that NFL teams must consider that possibility as well. I think a lot of GMs expect that the big QB transaction by the Texans to be drafting Hackenburg. Cutting Hoyer now, signals to the NFL that the Texans are going after Goff/Wentz or they are aggressively moving before the draft: Osweiler, Kaepernick, RGIII, Garroppalo, etc...
Spoken like a true fan! And a good one, to boot. I feel your pain, but I'm not the sentimenstrual type very often.
Shishkabob
All Pro
We are probably in the best spot to lure a FA QB actually. None of them will see Hoyer as a threat, they will all see this as a great opportunity to come to a team and start. We have arguably the strongest roster out of the QB needy teams with an open starter spot(i.e. Cleveland, LA, 49ers) and we play in the weakest division out of them all. We made the playoffs with our roster and have a ton of cash to help fix holes outside of the QB position. We have one of the best young receivers in the game, and a defense that can bail you out of trouble if need be. If we want to lure a FA QB in here i dont see a problem with it
I lobe the smoke and mirrors side to the pre draft season, and the Texan's are usually pretty good at it. Is that by design or because even they don't know what they're going to do? A couple of bullseye's, a couple of very good picks and some gawdawful misses murk the picture for me. I just don't know.
I really, really, really want to know who made the case for JJ and what their reasoning was. Was it shrewd scouting or a blind squirrel finding the mother of all acorns?
EDIT: And who made the final call on the JJ pick.
michaelm
vox nihili
100% agree. Miller doesn't have the flashiest stats, but that guy has a ton of athletic talent.
Never averaged less than 4.0ypc in his career, and can give you 40-50 receptions per year as well.
Plus, he's played 16 games each of the past three seasons.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Nobody. Nobody believes the Texans are going to go into another season with Hoyer intended to play a significant role. The Texans will draft, sign or trade for a better option that Hoyer.
Fans are saying they'd rather not have him on the roster. No one believes the Texans intend to let him start.
Now savage, that's a different case. I don't believe they'll hand the reigns to him personally but I can see the Texans taking a rookie and then having another pre season competition between the two.
Rick Smith. He's in charge of the draft. They had a deal in place to move up & get Peterson, but Arizona took him earlier than expected. Rick thought about trading up to get Aldon Smith, but the group decided he wasn't worth the trade.
Maybe it was Wade who said he'd rather have Watt. But it was Rick who waited to take him, when he could have executed the trade & took Watt at the higher position.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Graham looked good enough under kubiak to warrant the contract he got.
Under OB he and every other TE has been bad.
michaelm
vox nihili
Hoyer - $0 dead money and $4,859,375 cap savings if cut according to Over The Cap.
He gone.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
And the final image of him in a Texans uniform remains being carted off with a blown Achilles in a game that he was inexplicably left to play in by Bill O'Brien even though the team was down 40 points.
**** you Bill O'Brien.
**** you Bill O'Brien.
So, if Im reading this right, you're upset with the Texans for cutting a 30yr old RB, coming off an achilles injury, scheduled to make 6.5 mil? He's missed 23 games over the last 3 seasons:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14892113/arian-foster-released-houston-texans
Im not a fan of some of things we do, but every one had to see this coming. It's also tough to judge how the team will be until we see their plan for replacing him and how they use the cap space.
Your "not the kind of organization" doesn't make sense either. When a player wants to renegotiate a contract or switch teams for a better opportunity, it's just business, but when an organization (that has paid AF very well for his blood sweat and tears) wants to do the same it reflects poorly on the team?
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TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
Arian Foster's First NFL Touchdown
After thinking about it, I would sign Okung/Green in FA and draft Marshall in the 3rd/4th rd.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Are you implying that it's OB's fault all the TE's have stone hands?
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Not really. We have the room to do anything we want... The only issue is how the contracts affect the cap in future years. It appears to me that the Texans are about to take on a huge contract. My guess is that they are clearing the deck for Osweiler, or a trade for QB- Kaepernick or a surprise like Rivers.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I understand... That is my point. Hoyer on the roster signals something about their off-season plan (that they are going after one guy, probably a rookie). Hoyer cut signals the Texans will likely be aggressive before the draft.... And if they aren't, they are going all in after Goff.
Cushing?
Marshall
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Shishkabob
All Pro
maybe they are still planning on being aggressive before the draft, but wont cut Hoyer until someone is signed.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Delete. This is Arian's thread.
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I don't see that happening. NE doesn't need another injury prone player like Foster.
I could see him in Denver rejoining Kubiak. They just won a SB, they don't have any RB's that are great right now either. Just a typical committee situation. Maybe he could end up in Dallas.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I would say look at stats. In 2013 with Kubiak as the coach, Graham and Griffin didn't appear to have stone hands. 70 receptions, 800 yards, 6 TD's.
In 2014-15 with OB as the coach all of a sudden now they can't catch sh!t and have developed stone hands? Like as professional NFL players they simply forgot how to catch a ball? That the scheme, plays and turnstile of dumpster fire QB's had NOTHING to do with it?
Graham has a 50/550/5 season on his resume. He will have no issue catching on with another team and probably doing an OD 2.0 on us. While OB continues to trot out Fido as a starter.
I fully expect to see Graham end up in Denver. That will tell the tale.
I think Griffin could be special if our plays helped get him open, like the rub plays they get away with in New England, a staple of their offense.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Special? why? he is a below average blocker. He does not run particularly well and certainly isn't a threat after the catch... and you are saying that he would be special if only the Texans designed plays to get him open. So, is his skill set that makes him special?
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Griffin only played in 9 games and didn't meet the minimum qualifiers for catches to be included in NFL stat leaders, but here is the YPC and YAC for the top 10 TE's this past season:
1. Gronk - 16.3/7.85
2. Olsen - 14.3/4.72
3. Barnidge - 13.2/4.34
4. Miller - 12.9/6.76
5. Graham - 12.6/4.83
5. Griffin - 12.6/4.75
7. Gillmore - 12.5/7.67
8. Cook - 12.3/5.13
9. Kelce - 12.2/7.68
10. Eifert - 11.8/4.36
So even in an offensive scheme that forgot what a TE was, Griffin had the same YPC/YAC as Jimmy Graham in Seattle. Only 4 TE's had a higher YPC and only 5 had a higher YAC.
He has the same production and is no less a threat after the catch than several TE's we would all love to have on the roster. There are 3 guys on this list that caught less than 40 passes and two others were between 40-50, so Griffin's pro-rated 37 catches would compare very well to everyone not named Gronk, Olsen or Kelce.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
It was OBs regime that extended Graham. So, what does that mean? Did OB misjudge Graham? Or did Graham lay down after getting paid? I'd have to go with the former.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Probably a few factors involved from graham and the team. I'd also throw in that until OB shows he can get productivity from TE's not named Gronk or Hernandez with maybe the best qb ever throwing to them, Im a bit skeptical that ALL of the blame lies with the TE's here.
I agree. His first year at camp he caught a seam pass running full speed that was throw way behind him. He did a 360 caught the ball high and halfway around his turn and barely slowed down. Showed great balance and agility. It was impressive. Really expected more from him after seeing that.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
One of the problems was that in the past 2 years, our QBs had a big problem finding anyone in the middle of the field......a real detriment to getting your TEs involved.