Robert Griffin III could be the Texans next quarterback

[DocBar]

Kap got the contract after leading his team to a SB, Dalton has been a top 10 QB in the league for multiple years. Cutler got his contract awhile ago when he was young, and Chicago thought he had loads of potential and could be their answer to Rodgers.

Osweiler is coming off a half season of work in which he regressed, threw only 10tds to 6ints, completed 61.8% of his passes and finished as the 25th ranked passer. I dont want him on the Texans as i feel he would be a burden on the cap, he will give us more false hope allowing us to forgo drafting a QB. If the team that spent a high round pick on him, and multiple years developing him doesnt think he is worth that kind of money then i sure dont want my team thinking he is worth the money

I'm not an Osweiler fan nor a basher, but I think you're being a bit rough on him. The guy had all of 30 attempts, coming into this season and is in his 1st year under Kubiak's season. It's perfectly natural for a QB to "regress" a little when teams get more film on him.

if I could get Oz on a contract that was essentially a 2 year deal for $12 mil a year, I'm doing it. That won't kill the cap and it's enough time to see what he has. If he doesn't have "it", you can move on.

 

[DX-TEX]

I love me some Andy Dalton from his Katy High School days.
I'm with you on that one. Although, he hasn't won a playoff game.
There are still critics that think he's not a good pro quarterback.
You would be surprised how much negative flack this talented guy gets.

TJ's response when reading this. "Win a playoff game? Done and done. Try harder red Ryder"

 

[Shishkabob]

I'm not an Osweiler fan nor a basher, but I think you're being a bit rough on him. The guy had all of 30 attempts, coming into this season and is in his 1st year under Kubiak's season. It's perfectly natural for a QB to "regress" a little when teams get more film on him.

if I could get Oz on a contract that was essentially a 2 year deal for $12 mil a year, I'm doing it. That won't kill the cap and it's enough time to see what he has. If he doesn't have "it", you can move on.

thats i guess where we disagree, i would sign him on a 2 year deal, but probably around 6-8 mil a year, hell you could add in incentives to bring that number up but i wouldnt guarantee an unproven QB 12 mil a year. I honestly saw nothing that made me think Osweiler is a franchise QB and we would just be pushing the inevitable further down the road

 

[DocBar]

thats i guess where we disagree, i would sign him on a 2 year deal, but probably around 6-8 mil a year, hell you could add in incentives to bring that number up but i wouldnt guarantee an unproven QB 12 mil a year. I honestly saw nothing that made me think Osweiler is a franchise QB and we would just be pushing the inevitable further down the road

I never said guaranteed money, but you have to make the guaranteed money incentive enough to make him leave the reining SB champions.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

TJ's response when reading this. "Win a playoff game? Done and done. Try harder red Ryder"

LOL, you can make a case that T.J. Yates is better than Andy Dalton. At least in terms of their head-to-head games, Yates has played better and his team won those games.

If only some team would have enough faith to keep Yates around for the long haul. That kid hasn't had a chance to develop properly. Also that injury setback he had didn't help. But Yates can play the game. There's no doubt about that.

I'm actually in favor of keeping T.J. Yates and Brandon Weeden for depth purposes in 2016. As both have worked hard and actually played well under the circumstances (won games for us).

Ideally. I'd rather release Brian Hoyer altogether this off-season, and place Tom Savage on the practice squad (IR again if needed). And then go out and find our legitimate starter for 2016 and beyond, be it free agency or draft.

 

[ROO]

The Texans already have a Brock Osweiler. His name is Brandon Weeden.

 

[DocBar]

LOL, you can make a case that T.J. Yates is better than Andy Dalton. At least in terms of their head-to-head games, Yates has played better and his team won those games.

If only some team would have enough faith to keep Yates around for the long haul. That kid hasn't had a chance to develop properly. Also that injury setback he had didn't help. But Yates can play the game. There's no doubt about that.

I'm actually in favor of keeping T.J. Yates and Brandon Weeden for depth purposes in 2016. As both have worked hard and actually played well under the circumstances (won games for us).

Ideally. I'd rather release Brian Hoyer altogether this off-season, and place Tom Savage on the practice squad (IR again if needed). And then go out and find our legitimate starter for 2016 and beyond, be it free agency or draft.

The Texans aren't likely to keep 4 QB's and Savage likely wouldn't make it through waivers for the practice squad, so you'd have Savage, Weeden and Yates as the QB's and pass on drafting one?

For the record, I don't think any of them have had a legitimate shot to succeed. Weeden was a fairly highly touted player, coming out of college, but was cursed to be drafted by the suckage that is the Cleveland Browns.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

The Texans aren't likely to keep 4 QB's and Savage likely wouldn't make it through waivers for the practice squad, so you'd have Savage, Weeden and Yates as the QB's and pass on drafting one?

For the record, I don't think any of them have had a legitimate shot to succeed. Weeden was a fairly highly touted player, coming out of college, but was cursed to be drafted by the suckage that is the Cleveland Browns.

I would like to keep Tom Savage around, at least for another year, just to see if he can reach his potential. But by year four I would lose patience with him and just release him. Another third or fourth-round pick wasted by Rick Smith it would turn out to be. We had just released Louis Nix III during last year's camp. Don't even bring up Sam Montgomery! Another colossus mistake that seems recent to me.

The problem is he's entering his third NFL season in 2016 and can't seem to stay healthy. He didn't even have surgery on his sprained shoulder that got him placed on IR for all of last season. After he had hurt it against the Dallas Cowboys in the fourth pre-season game. What confidence do I have he's not going to have the same injury this year?

T.J. Yates is coming off the serious ACL injury and rehab. So he could be an ideal guy to have around for camp and then place on IR. Or he could just be signed at a later time (during the season).

Either way, there could be room to keep Brandon Weeden around for depth if we release Brian Hoyer. We could still sign a free agent quarterback and even draft a quarterback (two new quarterbacks added).

I'm not particularly committed to any of the four quarterbacks on our roster right now. Out of all of them I'd rather bring back the two most deserving guys. At least to me, Yates and Weeden played as hard as they could under the circumstances. I was proud of both of them. I can't say the same thing about Savage and Hoyer.

 

[DocBar]

I would like to keep Tom Savage around, at least for another year, just to see if he can reach his potential. But by year four I would lose patience with him and just release him. Another third or fourth-round pick wasted by Rick Smith it would turn out to be. We had just released Louis Nix III during last year's camp. Don't even bring up Sam Montgomery!

The problem is he's entering his third NFL season in 2016 and can't seem to stay healthy. He didn't even have surgery on his sprained shoulder that got him placed on IR for all of last season. After he had hurt it against the Dallas Cowboys in the fourth pre-season game. What confidence do I have he's not going to have the same injury this year?

T.J. Yates is coming off the serious ACL injury and rehab. So he could be an ideal guy to have around for camp and then place on IR. Or he could just be signed at a later time (during the season).

Either way, there could be room to keep Brandon Weeden around for depth if we release Brian Hoyer. We could still sign a free agent quarterback and even draft a quarterback (two new quarterback added).

The injury situation with Savage has been discussed ad nauseam. The injuries he endured, when he endured them, warranted IR. These were acute injuries, not recurrent ones.

For the record, I'm good with keeping Savage, Weeden and Yates and doing what it takes to draft Elliot in the 1st.

 

[Shishkabob]

I would like to keep Tom Savage around, at least for another year, just to see if he can reach his potential. But by year four I would lose patience with him and just release him. Another third or fourth-round pick wasted by Rick Smith it would turn out to be. We had just released Louis Nix III during last year's camp. Don't even bring up Sam Montgomery! Another colossus mistake that seems recent to me.

The problem is he's entering his third NFL season in 2016 and can't seem to stay healthy. He didn't even have surgery on his sprained shoulder that got him placed on IR for all of last season. After he had hurt it against the Dallas Cowboys in the fourth pre-season game. What confidence do I have he's not going to have the same injury this year?

T.J. Yates is coming off the serious ACL injury and rehab. So he could be an ideal guy to have around for camp and then place on IR. Or he could just be signed at a later time (during the season).

Either way, there could be room to keep Brandon Weeden around for depth if we release Brian Hoyer. We could still sign a free agent quarterback and even draft a quarterback (two new quarterbacks added).

I'm not particularly committed to any of the four quarterbacks on our roster right now. Out of all of them I'd rather bring back the two most deserving guys. At least to me, Yates and Weeden played as hard as they could under the circumstances. I was proud of both of them. I can't say the same thing about Savage and Hoyer.

First of all if you read CND's post on Savage's injury you know it doesnt require sugery, and also should have no reoccurring effects as long as it was given time to heal properly which it was. second we can say savage isnt deserving of a chance at a roster spot. He was in the building at 4:30 every morning last offseason to work with OB, he stayed late as well. He was put on IR this year, but was still very active in the meeting rooms, worked with other players coming back from injury that he was allowed to work with, and John Harris said he had never seen a Texans player work as hard as Savage while on IR. The kid is doing everything within his power to get his shot to be this teams QB. If OB really likes someone who works hard when the cameras arent around, a film junkie then he might as well give Savage a chance going into this next season to prove he belongs

 

[Bulls on Parade]

I believe all of what you guys say about Tom Savage. I don't question his work ethic at all. John McClain has told me he's one of the hardest workers on the team and one of the nicest guys I'll ever meet. He even promised me an autographed Tom Savage football. Whether I like Savage or not isn't the point.

It's his toughness (for lack of better word), more like his ability to stay on the field, I'm worried about. What happens if he goes down with another injury in training camp this year? Or gets hurt in a preseason game? He can't seem to stay in a game for long. Even in the two regular-season games he has played in, guess what, he had to leave both of them with injuries. It's a sad common theme for him. Somebody else on here mentioned his body was made of glass. It's hard for me to disagree.

But like you say, he's one of the hardest workers on the team, which is why I've warmed up to the idea of him still being here for the 2016 season. But if we're still talking about the same things next year at this time I'd have lost patience by then. He'd be a prime candidate to be released at that point. Going into year three is a critical season for most rookies. This season is an important one for Jadeveon Clowney as well.

The NFL is a business. You want to win games. If a guy isn't on the active roster he's not really helping the team win, at least physically speaking. He could be the greatest cheerleader (I can do that for free), helping the team win games off the field. Even helping the team prepare for games like an assistant coach. We should be paying him for that instead of a fourth-round pick with dreams of becoming our franchise quarterback.

Do I need to remind anybody of a man named Bennie Joppru? All the talent in the world. He could have been one of the all-time greats at tight end. Unfortunately he could never stay healthy. By year four, you have to bite the bullet and cut ties. Like I said, going into year three, this is a critical year for Tom Savage.

As one of my friends would say, "It's put up or shut up time." Show me what you're worth! All that other stuff of being a great guy and working hard isn't enough sometimes. We have to see the results on the field.

 

[Norg]

Hoyer is a nice guy and hardworker just saying

 

[thunderkyss]

I wish the Texans organization would demonstrate as much faith in Yom Savage as some here do.

 

[Mollywhopper]

I wish the Texans organization would demonstrate as much faith in Yom Savage as some here do.

How could anyone not have faith in a guy named Yom Savage?

 

[Shishkabob]

I wish the Texans organization would demonstrate as much faith in Yom Savage as some here do.

Honestly if I were OB I would sit Tom down and say look we are drafting a QB early, rd 1 or 2(which we all believe they most likely will) however that doesnt mean you wont have a chance to start here. You will go into camp #1 on the depth chart, but you will still have to compete. If you prove the job should be yours, you'll be our starter this season. I wouldnt tell him he's on any kind of leash as I feel that would make him play nervous. However if he does poorly you can go to the rookie at some point throughout the season

 

[Wolf]

Reading all this struck a spark in the ole brain.i knew it but denied it.. we dont have **** for a qb . Not first string, not second, not third.

 

[Texecutioner]

Why is Tom Savage still being debated? He won't ever be the long term starter here. He was a 4th round pick just so we could say we picked a QB. He was nothing but a roll of the dice.

Texan fans seem to love average QB's, but then whine like hell when the results show up on game day.

 

[WolverineFan]

Kap got the contract after leading his team to a SB, Dalton has been a top 10 QB in the league for multiple years. Cutler got his contract awhile ago when he was young, and Chicago thought he had loads of potential and could be their answer to Rodgers.

Osweiler is coming off a half season of work in which he regressed, threw only 10tds to 6ints, completed 61.8% of his passes and finished as the 25th ranked passer. I dont want him on the Texans as i feel he would be a burden on the cap, he will give us more false hope allowing us to forgo drafting a QB. If the team that spent a high round pick on him, and multiple years developing him doesnt think he is worth that kind of money then i sure dont want my team thinking he is worth the money

That 49ers team got to the conference championship game the year before with a different QB. Hard to give Kap credit for that. Especially since his play fell off a cliff once the QB guru HC left and that team is now trying to unload his salary. Dalton plays on an absolutely loaded team and has been one of the worst playoff QB's of the last decade (0-4 record with a 57.8 QB Rating; 1 TD pass in 158 playoff pass attempts). Cutler has zero playoff wins in 10 years as a starter.

I don't think Osweiler is anything special and I don't want the Texans to pay him, but he's going to get paid by somebody. This is a league where Alex Smith gets paid $17M to throw 19 TD's a year.

 

[Shishkabob]

That 49ers team got to the conference championship game the year before with a different QB. Hard to give Kap credit for that. Especially since his play fell off a cliff once the QB guru HC left and that team is now trying to unload his salary. Dalton plays on an absolutely loaded team and has been one of the worst playoff QB's of the last decade (0-4 record with a 57.8 QB Rating; 1 TD pass in 158 playoff pass attempts). Cutler has zero playoff wins in 10 years as a starter.

I don't think Osweiler is anything special and I don't want the Texans to pay him, but he's going to get paid by somebody. This is a league where Alex Smith gets paid $17M to throw 19 TD's a year.

All I was saying at the time of their contracts all of those qbs had shown more and done more than Osweiler has, thus I could justify their team giving them that money since that's the going rate for qbs who might be a franchise guy. I don't believe Osweiler should get anywhere near it. Let some other team do that just not us

 

[sandman]

All I was saying at the time of their contracts all of those qbs had shown more and done more than Osweiler has, thus I could justify their team giving them that money since that's the going rate for qbs who might be a franchise guy. I don't believe Osweiler should get anywhere near it. Let some other team do that just not us

So then high draft pick on the rookie scale? Because Osweiler is going to get that kind of money. And $11.5MM is no where close to franchise level. That would have made him the 21st highest paid QB in the league this last year according to Over The Cap. And there isn't anything else out there in FA this year that is better than Osweiler. And Osweiler is better than any QB the Texans had on their roster in 2015.

And I'm fine with going the draft route, TBH. I personally would rather have the type of player with some NFL experience instead of one of the Savage-like projects that will realistically be available to the Texans in their current draft placement. But I'm on the Anyone But Hoyer bandwagon. It just sounds like you are using the salary aspect to say you don't want a player you don't like.

 

[Showtime100]

Hoyer is a nice guy and hardworker just saying

So F'ing what.

 

[sandman]

So F'ing what.

That is slogan material for the Brian Hoyer led 2016 Houston Texans right there...

 

[DocBar]

Why is Tom Savage still being debated? He won't ever be the long term starter here. He was a 4th round pick just so we could say we picked a QB. He was nothing but a roll of the dice.

Texan fans seem to love average QB's, but then whine like hell when the results show up on game day.

Every single pick, in every single draft is a roll of the dice. It's all a gamble.

Savage falling to the 4th round is more of a function of some bad decisions he made by transferring schools than his ability to play QB. He's admitted that he made a mistake and has, by all reports, worked very hard to be a good pro player.

You don't think he has the talent or ability to be a starter based purely on draft position, or by the play he's shown on the field?

 

[DocBar]

I believe all of what you guys say about Tom Savage. I don't question his work ethic at all. John McClain has told me he's one of the hardest workers on the team and one of the nicest guys I'll ever meet. He even promised me an autographed Tom Savage football. Whether I like Savage or not isn't the point.

It's his toughness (for lack of better word), more like his ability to stay on the field, I'm worried about. What happens if he goes down with another injury in training camp this year? Or gets hurt in a preseason game? He can't seem to stay in a game for long. Even in the two regular-season games he has played in, guess what, he had to leave both of them with injuries. It's a sad common theme for him. Somebody else on here mentioned his body was made of glass. It's hard for me to disagree.

But like you say, he's one of the hardest workers on the team, which is why I've warmed up to the idea of him still being here for the 2016 season. But if we're still talking about the same things next year at this time I'd have lost patience by then. He'd be a prime candidate to be released at that point. Going into year three is a critical season for most rookies. This season is an important one for Jadeveon Clowney as well.

The NFL is a business. You want to win games. If a guy isn't on the active roster he's not really helping the team win, at least physically speaking. He could be the greatest cheerleader (I can do that for free), helping the team win games off the field. Even helping the team prepare for games like an assistant coach. We should be paying him for that instead of a fourth-round pick with dreams of becoming our franchise quarterback.

Do I need to remind anybody of a man named Bennie Joppru? All the talent in the world. He could have been one of the all-time greats at tight end. Unfortunately he could never stay healthy. By year four, you have to bite the bullet and cut ties. Like I said, going into year three, this is a critical year for Tom Savage.

As one of my friends would say, "It's put up or shut up time." Show me what you're worth! All that other stuff of being a great guy and working hard isn't enough sometimes. We have to see the results on the field.

You must think that NFL players are like the Black Knight in Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail. You're arm getting cut off is just a flesh wound.

 

[thunderkyss]

You must think that NFL players are like the Black Knight in Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail. You're arm getting cut off is just a flesh wound.

I think Savage got a raw deal on both injuries. He came back to finish the game after the knee injury didn't he? But to be safe (which isn't the Texans M.O.) they IR'd him. Then the shoulder thing, no way would they have IR'd him if we didn't already have two knuckleheads the Texans wanted to see.

I really don't know how tough, injury prone the kid is. If he were the starter/backup, I doubt they would have IR'd him either time.

 

[DocBar]

The knee injury was on the last play of the game, I believe.


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[welsh texan]

You must think that NFL players are like the Black Knight in Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail. You're arm getting cut off is just a flesh wound.

If the above image is Tom Savage, Here's RGIII;

 

[HOU-TEX]

That 49ers team got to the conference championship game the year before with a different QB. Hard to give Kap credit for that. Especially since his play fell off a cliff once the QB guru HC left and that team is now trying to unload his salary. Dalton plays on an absolutely loaded team and has been one of the worst playoff QB's of the last decade (0-4 record with a 57.8 QB Rating; 1 TD pass in 158 playoff pass attempts). Cutler has zero playoff wins in 10 years as a starter.

I don't think Osweiler is anything special and I don't want the Texans to pay him, but he's going to get paid by somebody. This is a league where Alex Smith gets paid $17M to throw 19 TD's a year.

I'm on the fence with Osweiller, but if the clowns running the Texans personnel think he might be the answer then you're going to have to pay him. Considering what rookie QBs used to get paid, I wouldn't have an issue with $12 mill for a 3 year deal. Extend him after year two if he's good. Cut him if he's bad......along with all involved with bringing him here.

I'm not really a fan of any QBs in the draft, so I think they're going to draft another "project" a bit earlier than the last one and bring in another FA. Hopefully the FA works out better than they have the past couple years. Don't ask me why, but I've kinda been on the Bradford bandwagon the past month or so. I just see him fitting into OBs "game-plan" scheme better than the rest.

 

[GoCoogs]

Isn't Bradford's agent looking for 25 million per year?

I wouldn't want to make a financial commitment like that to someone with his injury history.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Isn't Bradford's agent looking for 25 million per year?

I wouldn't want to make a financial commitment like that to someone with his injury history.

He might be asking for that amount, but everyone plus his dog knows he ain't going to get it

 

[Shishkabob]

So then high draft pick on the rookie scale? Because Osweiler is going to get that kind of money. And $11.5MM is no where close to franchise level. That would have made him the 21st highest paid QB in the league this last year according to Over The Cap. And there isn't anything else out there in FA this year that is better than Osweiler. And Osweiler is better than any QB the Texans had on their roster in 2015.

And I'm fine with going the draft route, TBH. I personally would rather have the type of player with some NFL experience instead of one of the Savage-like projects that will realistically be available to the Texans in their current draft placement. But I'm on the Anyone But Hoyer bandwagon. It just sounds like you are using the salary aspect to say you don't want a player you don't like.

you are right i am not a fan of Osweiler therefor i definitely dont want to see us over pay for him. I wasnt saying 11.5 mm was a franchise level contract i said the contracts that Dalton, Kaep, and Cutler have are near it. Brock wants around 12.5 guaranteed probably with incentives in there that could boost it further. I wouldnt bring him in for that, i think somewhere between 6-8 mil a year on a 2 or 3 year deal that could have performance boosters to get it up to 12 mil a year could be nice, but if he could be had for that why would the Broncos let him walk? They are in win now mode starting over with a new QB does the opposite of that

edit also the rookie scale is really reasonable for instance last year Winston the number 1 pick got 22.3 mil for his whole 4 year contract so a little over 5 mil a season. Bud dupree the 22nd pick got just over 8 mil , so around 2 mil a season

 

[Shishkabob]

He might be asking for that amount, but everyone plus his dog knows he ain't going to get it

he should have to pay to play next year with all the money he's already gotten for not playing

 

[sandman]

you are right i am not a fan of Osweiler therefor i definitely dont want to see us over pay for him. I wasnt saying 11.5 mm was a franchise level contract i said the contracts that Dalton, Kaep, and Cutler have are near it. Brock wants around 12.5 guaranteed probably with incentives in there that could boost it further. I wouldnt bring him in for that, i think somewhere between 6-8 mil a year on a 2 or 3 year deal that could have performance boosters to get it up to 12 mil a year could be nice, but if he could be had for that why would the Broncos let him walk? They are in win now mode starting over with a new QB does the opposite of that

edit also the rookie scale is really reasonable for instance last year Winston the number 1 pick got 22.3 mil for his whole 4 year contract so a little over 5 mil a season. Bud dupree the 22nd pick got just over 8 mil , so around 2 mil a season

You make the point. If he could be had for that cheap then the Broncos have a no-brainer on their hands. Their dilemma is that he is going to ask for $12MM and someone is going to pay it. The question isn't whether he is worth it. It's all about potential at this point. The question is who is going to pay to find out. I'm OK if the Texans don't. I'm not going to become a San Antonio Raiders fan if they do. Any QB decision comes with a risk.

And from a financial perspective, the risk is less with a draft pick because the rookie scale. It is ridiculous how little some of these guys (like Luck)are making because they are still on their rookie contract. But you place a bigger bet on unrealized potential because the kid has never played a down as a pro. I wish those can't-miss sure things came along more often than they do.

 

[infantrycak]

I suspect the hanging point between the Broncos and Oz, if there is one, is the length of the contract rather than the 2 mil between 10 and 12 - or more to the point how quickly they can get out.

Nick Foles got $12.27 mil per on a 2 year deal but he can be cut after the 1st year with basically no penalty (and very well may). Hoyer is structured the same way with lower numbers.

 

[thunderkyss]

you are right i am not a fan of Osweiler therefor i definitely dont want to see us over pay for him. I wasnt saying 11.5 mm was a franchise level contract i said the contracts that Dalton, Kaep, and Cutler have are near it. Brock wants around 12.5 guaranteed probably with incentives in there that could boost it further. I wouldnt bring him in for that, i think somewhere between 6-8 mil a year on a 2 or 3 year deal that could have performance boosters to get it up to 12 mil a year could be nice, but if he could be had for that why would the Broncos let him walk? They are in win now mode starting over with a new QB does the opposite of that

edit also the rookie scale is really reasonable for instance last year Winston the number 1 pick got 22.3 mil for his whole 4 year contract so a little over 5 mil a season. Bud dupree the 22nd pick got just over 8 mil , so around 2 mil a season

Not only that, but where is Osweiler going to go & have as good a chance to win? Not just Super Bowls, but win period. I think he'll come down from his asking price the closer we get to FA & he's probably more concerned with the term of the contract. If I were him, I don't want anything longer than 3 years. Then I'll have enough tape to show that I'm worth franchise money.

But yeah, I think he'll get signed closer to $8M than $12M

 

[Bulls on Parade]

Any idea why Kirk Cousins and the Redskins broke off contract negotiation talks? They could always franchise tag him but Adam Schefter was on the NFL Network saying that's not a guarantee at this point. There's a bit of a falling out with Cousins and the Redskins front office.

If Kirk Cousins becomes available would the Texans have any interest in him? And what would the Redskins do? Would they try to make nice with Robert Griffin III out of desperation? LOL, although I'm pretty sure the RG3 ship has long sailed away from the D.C. area.

Between Brock Osweiler and Kirk Cousins, I take it we all see more upside in Osweiler even though Cousins has a little more body of work to evaluate.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Any idea why Kirk Cousins and the Redskins broke off contract negotiation talks? They could always franchise tag him but Adam Schefter was on the NFL Network saying that's not a guarantee at this point. There's a bit of a falling out with Cousins and the Redskins front office.

If Kirk Cousins becomes available would the Texans have any interest in him? And what would the Redskins do? Would they try to make nice with Robert Griffin III out of desperation? LOL, although I'm pretty sure the RG3 ship has long sailed away from the D.C. area.

Between Brock Osweiler and Kirk Cousins, I take it we all see more upside in Osweiler even though Cousins has a little more body of work to evaluate.

- He wants more guaranteed money/years, they want to give less.
- The franchise tag is expensive and they really want to avoid it.
- Of course the Texans would have some level of interest in him.
- Who knows?
- Doubt it.
- Why do you see more upside in Osweiler over Cousins?

 

[Shishkabob]

Any idea why Kirk Cousins and the Redskins broke off contract negotiation talks? They could always franchise tag him but Adam Schefter was on the NFL Network saying that's not a guarantee at this point. There's a bit of a falling out with Cousins and the Redskins front office.

If Kirk Cousins becomes available would the Texans have any interest in him? And what would the Redskins do? Would they try to make nice with Robert Griffin III out of desperation? LOL, although I'm pretty sure the RG3 ship has long sailed away from the D.C. area.

Between Brock Osweiler and Kirk Cousins, I take it we all see more upside in Osweiler even though Cousins has a little more body of work to evaluate.

Talks havent really broken off, but neither side is in much of a hurry to get something done as they shouldnt be. Cousins who is 27 wants to get paid like a franchise guy, probably not a top tier one but somewhere along the lines of 16-18 mil a year, multi year with most of it guaranteed. The Redskins wisely dont want to spend that much on someone who until the later half of this season didnt prove much of anything. I dont think a long term deal will come unless Cousins comes back down to Earth, that might take hime actually going and seeing his market value which I see being around 10-12 a year from another team. Idk it might be in the Skins best interest to just tag him, pony up the 20 mil this season and say if you think you are worth it do it again and then you get your contract.

Idk if Os has more upside, he is bigger, more mobile but his arm strength looked really weak this year

 

[WolverineFan]

I suspect the hanging point between the Broncos and Oz, if there is one, is the length of the contract rather than the 2 mil between 10 and 12 - or more to the point how quickly they can get out.

Nick Foles got $12.27 mil per on a 2 year deal but he can be cut after the 1st year with basically no penalty (and very well may). Hoyer is structured the same way with lower numbers.

Yes. The Denver Post guy who reported on it said he was looking for Nick Foles money but long term. He wants 4-5 years, not 2.

I can understand the Broncos balking at that kind of investment. He hasn't done anything to deserve it. At the same time, they don't really have much of a choice either because if he hits the open market a desperate team with cap space will throw money at him.

 

[WolverineFan]

Talks havent really broken off, but neither side is in much of a hurry to get something done as they shouldnt be. Cousins who is 27 wants to get paid like a franchise guy, probably not a top tier one but somewhere along the lines of 16-18 mil a year, multi year with most of it guaranteed. The Redskins wisely dont want to spend that much on someone who until the later half of this season didnt prove much of anything. I dont think a long term deal will come unless Cousins comes back down to Earth, that might take hime actually going and seeing his market value which I see being around 10-12 a year from another team. Idk it might be in the Skins best interest to just tag him, pony up the 20 mil this season and say if you think you are worth it do it again and then you get your contract.

Cousins is looking for $20M a year over a long term deal. The Redskins are allegedly willing to go into Dalton territory ($15-17M) but they aren't interested in making him a top 5 paid QB because he frankly hasn't earned it yet. Giving him the tender and making him produce for another year is the safer option.

His market is well beyond $10-12M though. Ryan Tannehill signed a 6-year, $96M deal this summer and I wouldn't put much difference between those two guys. Both play on weak rosters and have similar production.

 

[thunderkyss]

Cousins is looking for $20M a year over a long term deal. The Redskins are allegedly willing to go into Dalton territory ($15-17M) but they aren't interested in making him a top 5 paid QB because he frankly hasn't earned it yet. Giving him the tender and making him produce for another year is the safer option.

His market is well beyond $10-12M though. Ryan Tannehill signed a 6-year, $96M deal this summer and I wouldn't put much difference between those two guys. Both play on weak rosters and have similar production.

I have a hard time putting Cousins in the same value group as Tannehill. Tannehill has been solid for what, five years now? The Redskins tried to give Cousins the job before & he fell on his face. 2015 looked good, good enough to build on... but I'd look at him more like Winston, Mariota, even Luck. Young guys with promise, but they've got to prove it.

Andrew Luck is going to get paid, but that's because he outperformed his rookie contract... $5M average, $7M last year.

That said... I can see $10M~$12M per year, but I'd question Rick Smith if he were doing it. That may be the market, but I don't think Cousins is a franchise QB, nor will he ever be. I think he's what Brian Hoyer was supposed to be for $5M/yr. He's younger & while chances are slim, he's got a chance to get better, so I can see as much as $8M/yr.

Bottom line, whether we sign Cousins or not (I'm talking like I'm the Redskins) I'm still looking for another QB. If one of the top 3 were to fall, chances of him making it to 22 ('skins pick at 21) is not very likely.

 

[JB]

Bottom line, whether we sign Cousins or not (I'm talking like I'm the Redskins) I'm still looking for another QB. If one of the top 3 were to fall, chances of him making it to 22 ('skins pick at 21) is not very likely.

But how often do teams do what you would do if you were them?

 

[WolverineFan]

I have a hard time putting Cousins in the same value group as Tannehill. Tannehill has been solid for what, five years now? The Redskins tried to give Cousins the job before & he fell on his face. 2015 looked good, good enough to build on... but I'd look at him more like Winston, Mariota, even Luck. Young guys with promise, but they've got to prove it.

Andrew Luck is going to get paid, but that's because he outperformed his rookie contract... $5M average, $7M last year.

That said... I can see $10M~$12M per year, but I'd question Rick Smith if he were doing it. That may be the market, but I don't think Cousins is a franchise QB, nor will he ever be. I think he's what Brian Hoyer was supposed to be for $5M/yr. He's younger & while chances are slim, he's got a chance to get better, so I can see as much as $8M/yr.

Bottom line, whether we sign Cousins or not (I'm talking like I'm the Redskins) I'm still looking for another QB. If one of the top 3 were to fall, chances of him making it to 22 ('skins pick at 21) is not very likely.

Tannehill had a tough rookie year and then 3 solid starting seasons. But that's all they were...solid. He played above average for the position. And that earned him $17M per year. Cousins was a spot starter over that time who started a grand total of 9 games until this year. He finally got extended run as the starter and started every game this year and ended up being the 5th ranked QB in the league.

The season before getting that extension, Tannehill completed 66.4% of his passes for 4,045 yards with 27 TD's and 12 INT's. This year, Cousins completed 69.8% of his passes for 4,166 yards with 29 TD's and 11 INT's.

I don't think Cousins is a centerpiece. But that's not the point. A lot of you guys are projecting a salary on a guy based on how talented you think he is. That's not how it works. If Ryan Tannehill and Andy Dalton are getting $17M a year and Kirk Cousins is playing at or above their level when he becomes a FA then someone is going to give him that kind of money. That's just how it is.

 

[ChampionTexan]

Here's the thing on both Cousins and Osweiler.

Right now the Redskins/Broncos have exclusive negotiating rights. They have the ability (even if it's via the franchise tag) to keep both players off the FA market and on their rosters. Given their backup situations and draft positions (and in the case of the Broncos Peyton Manning's almost definite upcoming departure), if they don't take advantage of where they are right now, their QB situations literally become identical to the current Texans situation.

What would you do if you were them?

 

[DocBar]

Here's the thing on both Cousins and Osweiler.

Right now the Redskins/Broncos have exclusive negotiating rights. They have the ability (even if it's via the franchise tag) to keep both players off the FA market and on their rosters. Given their backup situations and draft positions (and in the case of the Broncos Peyton Manning's almost definite upcoming departure), if they don't take advantage of where they are right now, their QB situations literally become identical to the current Texans situation.

What would you do if you were them?

I would've already gotten a deal done during the season on both of them. Good enough to get them to sign but definitely top tier money.

 

[thunderkyss]

I don't think Cousins is a centerpiece. But that's not the point. A lot of you guys are projecting a salary on a guy based on how talented you think he is. That's not how it works. If Ryan Tannehill and Andy Dalton are getting $17M a year and Kirk Cousins is playing at or above their level when he becomes a FA then someone is going to give him that kind of money. That's just how it is.

Remember when Nick Foles looked like an all pro? Or when Kevin Kolb looked like a starter? Or when Fitzpatrick earned his big contract?

My projection has nothing to do with talent.it's more of a not believing what I clearly saw & wanting to see it again.

Maybe someone will pay him that much, I hope they do, just hope it's not us.

Heck, I hope Savage can be our Cousins.

 

[thunderkyss]

...if they don't take advantage of where they are right now, their QB situations literally become identical to the current Texans situation.

What would you do if you were them?

That's a good question. If you had your pick, who would you take; Cousins, Cook, Hackenberg, or Prescott?

 

[ChampionTexan]

That's a good question. If you had your pick, who would you take; Cousins, Cook, Hackenberg, or Prescott?

Osweiler, but that's just me.

 

[DocBar]

I have a hard time putting Cousins in the same value group as Tannehill. Tannehill has been solid for what, five years now? The Redskins tried to give Cousins the job before & he fell on his face. 2015 looked good, good enough to build on... but I'd look at him more like Winston, Mariota, even Luck. Young guys with promise, but they've got to prove it.

Andrew Luck is going to get paid, but that's because he outperformed his rookie contract... $5M average, $7M last year.

That said... I can see $10M~$12M per year, but I'd question Rick Smith if he were doing it. That may be the market, but I don't think Cousins is a franchise QB, nor will he ever be. I think he's what Brian Hoyer was supposed to be for $5M/yr. He's younger & while chances are slim, he's got a chance to get better, so I can see as much as $8M/yr.

Bottom line, whether we sign Cousins or not (I'm talking like I'm the Redskins) I'm still looking for another QB. If one of the top 3 were to fall, chances of him making it to 22 ('skins pick at 21) is not very likely.

Tannehill has had two "solid" seasons in four years. He got overpaid in my opinion
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Here's the thing on both Cousins and Osweiler.

Right now the Redskins/Broncos have exclusive negotiating rights. They have the ability (even if it's via the franchise tag) to keep both players off the FA market and on their rosters. Given their backup situations and draft positions (and in the case of the Broncos Peyton Manning's almost definite upcoming departure), if they don't take advantage of where they are right now, their QB situations literally become identical to the current Texans situation.

What would you do if you were them?

Von Miller may just be the complicating factor for the Broncos in their quest for Osweiler.