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Poll on O'Brien
- Thread starter TripleTap
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I am ready to punt him and his QB philosophy back to Penn State.
I think McNair keeps him around tho .... two years , two 9-7 records .... with crap for a quarterback buys him at least one more season.
EVOLVIST
Kid A
Yeah, I think what we have in Houston is a HC with a certain mojo to him that really works. OB has a winning record in back-to-back seasons. At the same time, OB is a HC on a learning curve, much like a rookie player coming in, and then his sophomore season he should get better, and then, better and better as time goes on.
Did we need and/or deserve a HC in Houston that really needs that learning curve like OB does? I would say no. We have what we have, though; be pissed or excited, or whatever you want to feel; nobody in here can change what is.
OB's handling of the QB situation in this town - especially bringing in Hoyer and dropping Fitz - is inexcusable; yet, he has managed some things with this team that is borderline miraculous.
That said (and I'm not even a fan of OB's), he gets one more year to earn my trust. But oh, what a difficult year it will be. Not only will OB have to have his future QB set and playing well in 2016, but he will also have to face a tougher schedule, in addition to contending in our division. Miracles will truly have to happen. I'm talking loaves and fishes type stuff here.
So, root for the guy to pull a paddle out of his ass, because if not we'll be up a creek with another agonizing rebuild.
Did we need and/or deserve a HC in Houston that really needs that learning curve like OB does? I would say no. We have what we have, though; be pissed or excited, or whatever you want to feel; nobody in here can change what is.
OB's handling of the QB situation in this town - especially bringing in Hoyer and dropping Fitz - is inexcusable; yet, he has managed some things with this team that is borderline miraculous.
That said (and I'm not even a fan of OB's), he gets one more year to earn my trust. But oh, what a difficult year it will be. Not only will OB have to have his future QB set and playing well in 2016, but he will also have to face a tougher schedule, in addition to contending in our division. Miracles will truly have to happen. I'm talking loaves and fishes type stuff here.
So, root for the guy to pull a paddle out of his ass, because if not we'll be up a creek with another agonizing rebuild.
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humblegeo
Guest
Two 9/7 seasons including one division championship and one wildcard appearance.
I dont care for his style but like the results.We are one player away from having a really good team.
I dont care for his style but like the results.We are one player away from having a really good team.
I'd vote for that one.
TD
Super Bowl Mascot
Torn on this. I have said since last year, he's been very suspect as a "game day" coach, but I have also noticed he seems to learn from his mistakes. Yesterday, he seemed to have learned "don't to pull your quarterback too early" to the point of stupidity. He may simply lack the sideline acumen needed to be HC to avoid mistakes before they happen or even correct in a timely manner.
That said, I voted keep.....unless a crazy good replacement opportunity pops up, he deserves a third year.
That said, I voted keep.....unless a crazy good replacement opportunity pops up, he deserves a third year.
It would overload the servers
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
I got off the OB train at the station last night but I'm not quite ready to derail the sucker just yet.
If he can put his pride and ego aside and address the QB situation like every other team does then I am willing to see what more he has to offer. However, if keeps up these shenanigans of just throwing any guy out there because the system will make it work for him then he needs to pack his bags and get out. If he thinks we can go into next season with Hoyer as our starting QB then he needs to be fired on the spot and forced to watch yesterday's game on an endless loop for the rest of eternity.
I can abide failure. I can't abide arrogant failure.
If he can put his pride and ego aside and address the QB situation like every other team does then I am willing to see what more he has to offer. However, if keeps up these shenanigans of just throwing any guy out there because the system will make it work for him then he needs to pack his bags and get out. If he thinks we can go into next season with Hoyer as our starting QB then he needs to be fired on the spot and forced to watch yesterday's game on an endless loop for the rest of eternity.
I can abide failure. I can't abide arrogant failure.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Allowing a DE and DT to showcase a run game on the goalling in the most important game of you pro career thus far was humiliating.
A DE with a groin injury carrying the ball.
But it's not just the QB situation. It's been the LG situation, the TE situation, the WR situation, & the RB situation.
XSF should have been our LG going into camp, ever since they decided to move Ben Jones to Center & get rid of Chris Myers. But no. He's playing around with guys who've never played the position before. After the bye he wises up & I'm imagining someone told him to put X at LG, put McKinney at ILB, stop playing Covington & Pagan so much.
Garrett Graham. The only TE who can block & catch is a healthy scratch all year??
Why is Nate Washington & Cecil Shorts starting? They've proven they can't get open & they can't catch. Every time we see Strong & Mumph... they look better.
Same with RB. Grimes & Akeem hunt have earned a lot more playing time.
Rick Smith has given OB options. He seems to be choosing the wrong one at every turn.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I thought it at least showed some imagination.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I think OB tanked the playoffs like Kubes tanked his last season here (but didn't last long enough to enjoy the good draft position.) The only conclusion I can draw is that OB tanked the playoffs knowing he couldn't advance far anyway, when he deliberately left in a QB performing worse than I would when he had one on the bench who had won a game for him. I think he did it to save a few draft positions. Let's hope he doesn't stay around long enough to enjoy it.
Incredible as it seems, his faux pas was too glaring to think otherwise. He left Hoyer is long enough to ensure the loss, then continued to leave him in so Weeden wouldn't expose the error in the time that was left.
stingray
Hall of Fame
Thats some tin foil hat stuff right there..
stingray
Hall of Fame
Everybody thinks that theres always a vince lombardi waiting in the wings to take over when you fire the coach.
OzzO
.. and then?
I'm good with O'B for a 2nd year to make it to the playoffs with everyone except Uncle Rico at QB - something to say for that. (Yeah AFCS is a cluster, but hey - we were at the top of that cluster). If the knowledge sinks into the chin dimple that you can't just plug anyone into the QB position and have success, then lesson learned. That one role is kinda vital and may want to focus on improving it, a quality of "knowing the system" can take a leap.
To the weak godfather and Kirby FO: work on the offense side of the ball this off season and draft, I think we're good on the D side for a while.
Keep the Weed, drop Hoyer. Weed & Savage are front runners to start next year unless your 1st round QB picked this year just impresses all in practice and pre-season. If you wanna replace Weed with a FA vet, same thing applies.
Get an OT, RB and another WR as well.
To the weak godfather and Kirby FO: work on the offense side of the ball this off season and draft, I think we're good on the D side for a while.
Keep the Weed, drop Hoyer. Weed & Savage are front runners to start next year unless your 1st round QB picked this year just impresses all in practice and pre-season. If you wanna replace Weed with a FA vet, same thing applies.
Get an OT, RB and another WR as well.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yep, everybody loves the creativity until it doesn't work...
Rick Smith has given BOB below avg talent on the offensive side of the ball and the team is lacking in speed in general.
Rick Smith has given BOB below avg talent on the offensive side of the ball and the team is lacking in speed in general.
That's been the case for how many years? 11 now?
TripleTap
Dead Wood
If you gotta do this thing with Watt at the goal line you get him outside a little where his raw power is matched against fewer people with less power. You don't run him off tackle where it's crowded with huge bodies and great strength. That is, if you think it's a good idea in the first place.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Why do we have to do it? Already down 13-0, 1st & goal at the 2, and we chose this as the time to let Watt take his first snap at QB? I was honestly surprised Watt didn't fumble. It was an atrocious play call.
If JJ would have thrown a pass to DHop it might have worked... or not
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
If Watt had lined up at FB with Grimes behind him, I bet either one could have taken a handoff and scored.
I can't believe that there are 40% that want him gone. Honestly the HBO thing lessened my opinion of him however the season brought it back up. The guy is a solid coach. What this season proved is that you simply cannot compete in this league without at least an average QB. The Texans not only competed but won the division (albeit a horrible division) with smelly hot garbage at the QB position. They also did it without Arian Foster and not much else outside of DeAndre Hopkins on the offensive side.
The Texans royally screwed the pooch with the Clowney pick. I was thinking the other day where they would be had they drafted Bridgewater or Derek Carr instead. This season probably at 11 or 12 wins and they would be one of the up and coming powerhouses in the league.
Is BOB to blame for not having a NFL caliber QB on the roster or does that fall on Rick Smith? It falls on Smith and he is the one that should be gone.
The Texans royally screwed the pooch with the Clowney pick. I was thinking the other day where they would be had they drafted Bridgewater or Derek Carr instead. This season probably at 11 or 12 wins and they would be one of the up and coming powerhouses in the league.
Is BOB to blame for not having a NFL caliber QB on the roster or does that fall on Rick Smith? It falls on Smith and he is the one that should be gone.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Touche.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
But bah007 may be right. OB may need to be fired to become that "good coach." His personnel decisions ... really can't come up with a charitable description.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
This **** again? 32 of 32 teams pick Clowney #1 in that draft. Any of them that say they wouldnt have are lying.
He had a half decent hot garbage QB with Fitz. He dumped Fitz & acquired Hoyer.
Grimes & Hunt look like they can play. He forces Blue & Polk in as starters.
Washington can't catch, Shorts can't get open. Strong & Mumph has looked better every opportunity they got.
Fido can't catch or block. Garrett Graham isn't even active on game day.
Tj Yates & Brandon Weeden looked better in this "system" after weeks of preparation than Hoyer does after years.
Blue stepped it up Saturday, so he got that one right. But there's no reason Nate the drop Washington should have been playing over strong. He should have been yanked sooner, but at the very least Hoyer should have been yanked at that almost INT in the first drive of the 2nd half. But he didn't do it because something other than winning a win or go home game was more important to him. He stuck it to the players, he stuck it to the owner, he stuck it to the fans. He needs to GTFO.
If the QBs we've been wasting time with weren't from New England, I'd agree with you. But these QBs are Bill O'Brien.
If O'Brien had won something, if he were a Billichick, Parcells, Coughlin, Payton, then he'd' have earned the right to piss away that game to "prove a point" but he didn't, he hadn't.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
We don't know if Bob or Rick is to blame for the Texans not having a decent QB on the roster. Just not enough information to say definitely one way or the other. All we can do is look at the circumstantial evidence and try to figure it out and IMO the Brian Hoyer signing has Bob's fingerprints all over it. At the very least it is clearly something that has his approval.
If you accept that then you have to say that sending Fitz packing to make room for Hoyer was also Bob move or one that he approved of.
Letting his offense go to a gimmick play with an injured Watt during a playoff game that his QB is losing is all on him. That should never have been allowed to take place. If they thought that it was going to take something like that to get the ball into the end zone after a whole season to get that perfected then that's on him too.
Clowney was an awful pick. No doubt about it. The Texans have no choice but to roll with it and make the best of it that they can. In my opinion that's transitioning to a 4-3 (and frankly if RAC can't do that then it's time for a change but I don't think it would come to that) and getting started on a young QB's development. If it's Savage then so be it. If it isn't Savage then the Texans brain trust of OB and Slick-Rick have some explaining to do.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
No, that's just "tarded". All 32 teams aren't that stupid. The ones with capable GM's would see that there were clearly 3-5 players who could have been taken there and would have focused on the one that could have helped them the most. The thing is those GM's teams are generally doing well and so they don't draft anywhere near 1-1. Instead you get a bunch of inept stooges and insecure new GM's trying to get it right and they're buffaloed into taking "The Consensus #1 Pick" out of fear that they'll get it wrong and look stupid.