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Robert Griffin III could be the Texans next quarterback

infantrycak said:
They were both FA signings but yes Mallett signed 1st. And damn wouldn't you like to know what he was told about Hoyer before doing so since he had a higher offer from the Jets?
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The only way this even matters is if OB told him that the job was definitely his....which i highly doubt OB did. Anything short of that doesn't matter. He should've been man enough and enough of a competitor to come in focused on him & his play not Hoyer possibly winning the job. That mentally weak **** is for the birds.
 
Mr teX said:
The only way this even matters is if OB told him that the job was definitely his....which i highly doubt OB did. Anything short of that doesn't matter. He should've been man enough and enough of a competitor to come in focused on him & his play not Hoyer possibly winning the job. That mentally weak **** is for the birds.
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Bull. If he was told it would be a heads up competition and then saw it clearly wasn't, it's called a lie and people who are lied to have every right to resent it.

Not going to change each other's minds. I think OB really screwed the pooch on this. His false drama of everything is equal and both guys are even was bunk and a crappy process. Carrying right up to the season (to have it on Hard Knocks?) was stupid.
 
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infantrycak said:
Bull. If he was told it would be a heads up competition and then saw it wasn't.., it's called a lie and people who are lied to have every right to resent it.
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This isn't general hospital dude. This is pro sports..competition is the name of the game..& guess what? it ain't always fair. Professionals put that **** to the side, deal & take advantage of opportunities when they arise. He chose to let his resentment manifest itself in unprofessional behavior that ultimately got his assed kicked off the team.

It wasn't as lopsided as you're trying to make it seem anyway ..Like he resigned here & then OB proceeded to give Hoyer all the 1st team reps in practice..all the 1st team reps in preseason.... that's just not what happened. Mallet had his opportunities. So again regardless of what OB may or may not have told him, the way Mallet handled the whole situation was just weak minded & he didn't take advantage of the situation when he did get his chances. That's not up for debate.

The fact that OB had to apologize to the team for even putting up with this dude's unprofessional behavior after he lost out on the job........& the subsequent response from the team throughout the rest of the season should say enough about Mallet & where he was at mentally. You can't have a guy like that on your team.
 
Mr teX said:
This isn't general hospital dude. This is pro sports..competition is the name of the game..& guess what? it ain't always fair. Professionals put that **** to the side, deal & take advantage of opportunities when they arise. He chose to let his resentment manifest itself in unprofessional behavior that ultimately got his assed kicked off the team.

It wasn't as lopsided as you're trying to make it seem anyway ..Like he resigned here & then OB proceeded to give Hoyer all the 1st team reps in practice..all the 1st team reps in preseason.... that's just not what happened. Mallet had his opportunities. So again regardless of what OB may or may not have told him, the way Mallet handled the whole situation was just weak minded & he didn't take advantage of the situation when he did get his chances. That's not up for debate.

The fact that OB had to apologize to the team for even putting up with this dude's unprofessional behavior after he lost out on the job........& the subsequent response from the team throughout the rest of the season should say enough about Mallet & where he was at mentally. You can't have a guy like that on your team.
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Prima Donnas only work where they are accepted. Houston is Blue Collar.

Good luck in Baltimore Mr. Mallett.

I'll take Weedon and Savage for 2016, even if Hoyer retires and none of the draft prospects fall to us. I really think either could be the shockingly improved QB of 2016 that takes charge and begrudgingly considered the franchise guy everyone has claimed we were missing.
 
Marshall said:
Prima Donnas only work where they are accepted. Houston is Blue Collar.

Good luck in Baltimore Mr. Mallett.

I'll take Weedon and Savage for 2016, even if Hoyer retires and none of the draft prospects fall to us. I really think either could be the shockingly improved QB of 2016 that takes charge and begrudgingly considered the franchise guy everyone has claimed we were missing.
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Da Weed Man and Doc Savage will conquer the universe! But we still have to find a real QB somewhere unless those two really do surprise us.
 
I created a thread earlier just probing the concept of having a guy like rg3,geno,or even ej manuel as a reclamation project. I wouldnt have a problem with it and at the same time, they need to increase their offensive explosion players to boot.
 
leebigeztx said:
I created a thread earlier just probing the concept of having a guy like rg3,geno,or even ej manuel as a reclamation project. I wouldnt have a problem with it and at the same time, they need to increase their offensive explosion players to boot.
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On it's own, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Whether we find the next Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Carson Palmer, or Drew Brees... we need someone.

But Bryan Hoyer, & Weeden if he stays already fills the role of reclamation project.

Savage is still the prospect project.

We need to draft our heir apparent project.
 
Double Barrel said:
RGIII is a freakin' locker-room cancer. Avoid like the plague or more stupid QB drama will be expected in 2016.

I'd take Weeden over a self-absorbed me-first over-hyped QB, and then draft a young QB to develop over time.
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Um...Cancer? really? He has handled the redskins situation great this season. You have not heard anything from him. Coaches and players have both said he has made the best of his situation.
 
MistaRed said:
Houston is quickly becoming the land of misfit QBs
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I wonder if Hermey and Rudolph will land on our island next Christmas season?

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thunderkyss said:
On it's own, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Whether we find the next Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Carson Palmer, or Drew Brees... we need someone.

But Bryan Hoyer, & Weeden if he stays already fills the role of reclamation project.

Savage is still the prospect project.

We need to draft our heir apparent project.
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Weeden and Hoyer are 30,31. Savage is beyond a project, he's been ir'ed twice in two years. The other guys have age on their side. I'm one of those that have always said draft a qb and I stick to that. I'm saying that maybe they will look at a guy 26 or 27 who still has upside and has played in the nfl. Rg3,geno,manuel,and I would even throw foles and osweiler in that mix also.
 
Mr teX said:
This isn't general hospital dude. This is pro sports..competition is the name of the game..& guess what? it ain't always fair. Professionals put that **** to the side, deal & take advantage of opportunities when they arise. He chose to let his resentment manifest itself in unprofessional behavior that ultimately got his assed kicked off the team.

It wasn't as lopsided as you're trying to make it seem anyway ..Like he resigned here & then OB proceeded to give Hoyer all the 1st team reps in practice..all the 1st team reps in preseason.... that's just not what happened. Mallet had his opportunities. So again regardless of what OB may or may not have told him, the way Mallet handled the whole situation was just weak minded & he didn't take advantage of the situation when he did get his chances. That's not up for debate.

The fact that OB had to apologize to the team for even putting up with this dude's unprofessional behavior after he lost out on the job........& the subsequent response from the team throughout the rest of the season should say enough about Mallet & where he was at mentally. You can't have a guy like that on your team.
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I'm pretty certain that OB apologized to the team for the bad decisions he made and the way he handled the QB situation as the HC. I highly doubt that he went before the team and apologized for Mallet's behavior. The response from the team was due to his taking ownership of his own mistakes, not from apologizing for Mallet's mistakes.
 
sandman said:
I'm pretty certain that OB apologized to the team for the bad decisions he made and the way he handled the QB situation as the HC.
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yeah which could've been any number of things he addressed....like not fully addressing the Mallet situation much sooner than he did the same way he would've if it were anyone else if they'd fucked up as much and as badly as he had.or him rewarding a guy in Mallet with the starting gig even though it was apparent to him and the team that this guy wasn't sold out to be on this team once **** didn't go his way..

The apology for the way he handled the qb situation could've went any number of ways honestly and I don't think it was a coincidence that no one has come out and given any specifics about what he said.
 
Mr teX said:
yeah which could've been any number of things he addressed....like not fully addressing the Mallet situation much sooner than he did the same way he would've if it were anyone else if they'd fucked up as much and as badly as he had.or him rewarding a guy in Mallet with the starting gig even though it was apparent to him and the team that this guy wasn't sold out to be on this team once **** didn't go his way..

The apology for the way he handled the qb situation could've went any number of ways honestly and I don't think it was a coincidence that no one has come out and given any specifics about what he said.
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Not disagreeing with anything you say here. And you are right about no one saying anything so pure conjecture at this point. I personally don't believe that OB wins back the locker room just based on apologizing for subjecting the team to Mallet's behavior. Nor do I believe the team responded the way they did just because they cut Mallet. Like many here on TT, I am sure there were players in the locker room that attributed some of his behaviors to how he was treated by OB.

That was OB standing in front of a group of grown men and making amends for a lot of things related to the QB's. The farce of a competition, benching Hoyer in the first game, not going back to Hoyer to start the second game, the silliness of game time decisions for starter, pulling Mallet in the first half after getting the wind knocked out of him. None of those things have anything to do with Mallet's behaviors. Those are bad, bad, BAD football decisions by a head coach and had a much greater potential to lose the locker room than Mallet pouting and missing his alarm.
 
Mr.Scarface said:
Um...Cancer? really? He has handled the redskins situation great this season. You have not heard anything from him. Coaches and players have both said he has made the best of his situation.
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Yeah, a consistent lack of leadership and throwing teammates under the media bus = locker room cancer.

"The problem here for RG3 is this is a reflection on him. It's a continuation of a pattern where he simply doesn't get along with teammates," Cole says. "He's had problems with offensive linemen in the past, he's had problems with coaching staffs in the past. In other words, he has isolated himself from the rest of the team. That, to many people within the Washington organization, is an indication of his lack of leadership ability and his ultimate inability to become the starting quarterback and hold that position."

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Compare this attitude with what we have seen the past two seasons with the Texans. Most of our QBs have been team players and understood their roles based on coaching decsions. The ONLY one that did not was Mallett, and look how far that lasted with O'Brien.
 
One of the benefits of the Texans finally finding a QB (whenever that eventually happens) will be no longer having to discuss which reclamation project they'll jump into next. So tired of seeing articles suggesting Houston is one of a number of good landing places for every failed QB looking for another chance. Yes it's great when they come in and surprise us (and some of them have done so from time to time) but it seems like it must be fan-heaven to be a team with that QB box checked already.
 
Hervoyel said:
One of the benefits of the Texans finally finding a QB (whenever that eventually happens) will be no longer having to discuss which reclamation project they'll jump into next.
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Then we can start debating whether the guy we pick is elite or not.
 
2016

HOYER Stop gap VET
Savage-Project Rookster
Draft-Heir apperant ......IF they go that route if not then


Hoyer
Savage
if they wanna keep 3

Weeden or yates will battle it out
 
Eh, doesn't bother me. I know where DB comes from in regards to questioning RG3's locker room possible issues but there were also reports that he had changed earlier this season. Remains to be seen and sometimes a change in environment helps. Part of his issue was his overly close relationship with Snyder who meddled a bit in how he was handled. Don't think we have any worries about McNair doing that since he let's his guys do their thing and sometimes we have to remember these dudes are young when they get in the league. Still growing and maturing. Proper environment can help since at the same time he does a lot of good things community wise as well. If he is willing to look in the mirror and make that change in how he approaches his responsibilities then by all means.

So if he came cheap and was NOT our hope and future I see no issue. Meaning that we don't just sign him and leave the position lacking attention thinking signing him was significant. Let him come aboard for a reasonable cost and compete against someone we drafted, Savage, Hoyer, whatever. Have a Plan A and a Plan B. Heck, have a plan C too.
 
Why are people against bringing him in if he gets waived to see what he has to offer? It's not like we can't waive him if he doesn't work out right?
 
we were on hard knocks I don't care who we bring in or this "Circus" thingy

we could bring in Tebow Ray Rice and RG III all at the same Time NO Guy should Be looked over for training Camp
 
Lucky said:
I think Weeden should be re-signed. He should get a chance to compete against Hoyer while a rookie is groomed.
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I agree that I'd like to see Weeden back. With good coaching I think he can really be good especially once he learns the offense. Savage will be back though so with a rookie coming in one of Hoyer and Weeden most likely won't be here. Can't see us carrying 4 QBs past training camp. Savage if he doesn't show a lot though could be the odd man out as well.
 
I must be missing something. I still don't see the appeal of T.J. Yates.
I'd rather roll into OTAs/training camp with Hoyer (most time in this system), Weeden (he seems to have picked it up), Savage (fish or cut bait time for him), and whoever we get in the draft.
 
i would think savage is running out of chances IMO hes got 2 years left on his rookie deal or 1 ..??? he would don't pick up 5th year option
 
ObsiWan said:
I must be missing something. I still don't see the appeal of T.J. Yates.
I'd rather roll into OTAs/training camp with Hoyer (most time in this system), Weeden (he seems to have picked it up), Savage (fish or cut bait time for him), and whoever we get in the draft.
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Just speaking for myself, since I already ruled out Hoyer & there was a slash "/" between Weeden & Tj (Weeden/Tj) that means it don't matter. It's not about fascination, it just doesn't matter.
 
Norg said:
i would think savage is running out of chances IMO hes got 2 years left on his rookie deal or 1 ..??? he would don't pick up 5th year option
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1st rounders get 5th year options. That's why many believe the Vikings traded into the first to get Bridgewater.

Supplemental picks after the fourth round don't get 5th year options.
 
Texn4life said:
I agree that I'd like to see Weeden back. With good coaching I think he can really be good especially once he learns the offense. Savage will be back though so with a rookie coming in one of Hoyer and Weeden most likely won't be here. Can't see us carrying 4 QBs past training camp. Savage if he doesn't show a lot though could be the odd man out as well.
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Savage hasn't shown anything to keep him over Weeden. There's nothing about Weeden that's inferior to Savage other than mystery.
 
Lucky said:
Savage hasn't shown anything to keep him over Weeden. There's nothing about Weeden that's inferior to Savage other than mystery.
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Well, fortunately for the Texans they get all off-season and training camp to look at them both if they're so inclined so we got that going for us.
 
steelbtexan said:
Anybody else think BOB keeps 2 QB's and Daniels?
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Depends how much he likes th wildcat. Draft a guy like Prescott, you can keep the defense honest by not for example take Hoyer out to put Daniels in, imo a mobile QB would keep a defense more on their toes. Right now its "well Daniels is coming in, gonna be wildcat"
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Well I think with the Texans the policy is to give everyone who has ever thrown a pass a turn, so I'm sure RGIII will get his turn too.
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I like the injury prone bastard. Vugg-it I say give him a shot. He can't be any worse than the no-name chumps we've had under center thus far. Let's see what he can do.
 
ChampionTexan said:
I haven't seen any reason he should keep Daniels to this point, but we'll see what happens.
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Hey, if Daniels wants to go all-out at WR and compete for a spot I say bring him to camp but that's about it. His value at QB is (I think) fairly questionable. He could however serve as an emergency QB. He'd be an improvement over a "Shane Lechler Moment" should it come down to that.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
Even though griffin may be talented he is mentally soft. He can't handle scrutiny or harsh criticism and obrien isn't one to mince words. I think he has ability but he acts like a star instead of playing like one. With those that say target a qb in the draft and do what you can to develop him into a good player. If all else fails and your only option is kaepernick or griffin I'd say kaepernick. Even then it's short term at best.
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He MIGHT be hungry to prove what he actually CAN do...and wants to prove to Washington that they were wrong to bench him.
 
Dread-Head said:
I like the injury prone bastard. Vugg-it I say give him a shot. He can't be any worse than the no-name chumps we've had under center thus far. Let's see what he can do.
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I honestly think continuity at the position would do much better for our offense than "trying" someone out.

Sure, bring him into camp, see what he's got, but he's got to show that he's miles better than 91.4 passer rating Brian Hoyer before we make the switch.

I'd just as soon say, "Screw it, Hoyer's our guy until we develop our draft pick." Savage is just here as insurance, so that we don't have to force our young QB on the field before he's ready.
 
Dread-Head said:
He MIGHT be hungry to prove what he actually CAN do...and wants to prove to Washington that they were wrong to bench him.
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We all saw what he could do (which was pretty badass year 1), but he regressed big time. Part of that is on him and part of that was on the Shanahan for putting out there on a gimpy knee. He has the skill set now we'll see if he has the hunger like you said.
 
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