Report: Brian Hoyer to be named Texans starting QB

[CloakNNNdagger]

I've just finished watching all of his games from last year, and I think he performed not to shabby under pressure.

He did take plenty of hits.

I think he was playing close to the level of Good Schaub.

I didn't lose any game for the Browns.
He wasn't a big part in any loss.

At worst, he was shared that responsibility with his weapons and offensive line in a couple of losses.

If Howyer was on the Texans roster last year, they would have made the play-off, probably as the division winner.

If you replace the rest of the Browns with the Texans counterpart, that team probably would have won the AFC North as well.

Howyer is an upgrade over Fitz; that's for sure.

I think you better go back and at least watch the INDY game again. I watched that game. I don't think he could have done anymore to lose that game.

See what Browns QB Brian Hoyer had to say after Cleveland's 25-24 loss to the Indianapolis Colts

CLEVELAND -- The Browns fell in the final minute to the Indianapolis Colts, 25-24, at FirstEnergy Stadium on Sunday.


Browns quarterback Brian Hoyer had the worst game his season, completing only 14 of 31 passes for 140 yards, no touchdowns and two interceptions for a quarterback rating of 31.7.

Hoyer met with reporters following the game. Here are highlights of what he had to say:

On why the offense had so much trouble

"I don't know. It's just disappointing. Had a great opportunity, obviously, went down to the wire. I'm sure we'll watch the film and look at a bunch of plays we coulda done better at and sealed the deal. What a great opportunity we just blew. We gotta regroup and move on to next week. There's three games left, I don't know exactly what the situation is. Learn from it, find out what the mistakes are and fix them, that's all you can do."

On the interception in the end zone

"It's a play where I'm expecting Jordan to come underneath, and we've talked about it. And he didn't end up doing it. But I gotta see it and make sure I don't throw the ball. It's one of those things where it's a certain coverage, you're thinking this guy's going to win. We gotta figure out a way to get on the same page and have him thinking what I'm thinking."

On the two overthrows

"Yeah, that was frustrating because with Gabe, I know especially in windy conditions, I gotta throw it and let him run underneath it. He got held, I think he got stuck up by the safety a little bit so I gotta hold onto the ball a little longer. With the windy conditions I didn't expect it to come out as clean as it did. When I let it go from my hand I was like, 'I really got ahold of that.' Fortunately we were able to overcome it, connect on third down. The other one, I didn't get a chance to see, I threw it and I think I got hit. It's something I'll have to watch on film."

On how well the defense played

"The defense played really well, two scores, anytime your defense does that it's pretty good. I know we're going to go back and look at certain plays here or there that could have been the difference in the game. That's what's going to hurt the most, because it was so close. And obviously that was a really good team we were playing and when you play good teams you can't miss those opportunities."

How do you feel, after almost losing your job last week, coming out of this game?

"I'm disappointed that we lost. Moving on to Cincinnati, that's all we can do. There's three games left and we have to make the most of them. We can't let them slip through our hands when we're playing good teams and we have them beat. We'll sit there and watch the film and just realize that we have to play better, I have to play better. With each game that goes by, that's less and less opportunities to figure out how this season is going to go."

How do you think you played overall?

"I'd have to see the film. There were some throws I felt really good about, there were some other ones—not so good. It was kinda inconsistent and that's something I gotta be ale to fix, be more consistent."

 

[Lucky]

Do you play fantasy football? You'll see Eddie Lacy drafted before Aaron Rodgers in most leagues. Normally they'll say it's because the gap between Rodgers and the next tier QB isn't as great as the gap between Lacy and the next Tier RB.

The main reason is scarcity. In a 12 team league with one QB starting, QBs are plentiful. In the same league that has 2 starting RB slots plus a flex, RBs become scarce. In real football, the opposite is true. RBs are more plentiful and QBs are scarce. That's why QBs are valued higher than RBs in the actual draft.

There was somebody (Bran T. Smith maybe?) who made the comment on radio this past week that "There was no way the Texans were ever going to take Bridgewater". He didn't give any details, but basically said when the time is right (whatever that means), he'll write an article telling what he knows.

Probably has to wait until his source is no longer employed by the Texans.

 

[thunderkyss]

Even Shaub's first year as a starter on a bad team.

66% 7.8 avg 87.20 passer rating 3% TD & INT Schaub was a bit better than Hoyer on a very comparable team in 2007.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

I may be different from most, but I believe if there was truly any consideration of Bridgewater vs Clowney at 1-1, we wouldn't have waited for Bridgewater to drop to 33.
We'd have gone got him last 19 or so.

I also believe if you believe a particular QB is the future of your franchise, he's in that conversation at 1-1.

I wasn't a fan of Bridgewater during the draft. I still don't believe he should have been a consideration at 1-1. But looking over his game log from last year & watching him this preseason, it's getting harder to justify not going up to get him.

It doesn't help that we're not able to see these other guys against #1 defenses. But Bridgewater looks good.

Teddy was my guy and I'd have taken him at 1.1.

When we drafted clowney and TB fell to 32 I was in heaven. I just knew that TB would be our guy. When the Vikings jumped to get him it hurt.

At first I refused to believe that he was nowhere on our radar. But the longer it's Been the more I have come around and I agree with you completely.

The Texans were never interested in him because it's take some unbelievable incompetence otherwise.

 

[thunderkyss]

The main reason is scarcity. In a 12 team league with one QB starting, QBs are plentiful. In the same league that has 2 starting RB slots plus a flex, RBs become scarce. In real football, the opposite is true. RBs are more plentiful and QBs are scarce. That's why QBs are valued higher than RBs in the actual draft.
.

Makes more sense.

 

[Lucky]

I think you better go back and at least watch the INDY game again. I watched that game. I don't think he could have done anymore to lose that game.

Not to mention the Jags game, where Hoyer completes less than 40% of his passes and the offense generates 2 field goals for the game? Or the Bills game, where the Browns score one FG while Hoyer tosses 2 picks? And how can a starting QB that leads an offense to 7 total points (Texans game) no contribute to the loss?

It's only the preseason, but this board is already in mid-season form for WTF posts.

 

[ChampionTexan]

Probably has to wait until his source is no longer employed by the Texans.

That thought crossed my mind.

 

[76Texan]

I think you better go back and at least watch the INDY game again. I watched that game. I don't think he could have done anymore to lose that game.

That was definitely a team loss.

Afterall, the defense did give up 25 points.
There were 3 long drives of 55, 70, and 90 yards; the last one was the killer since it was the game winning drive.

The ST played a part in the two FG drives given up:
A 41 yard return allowed and a short punt of 31 yd giving the Colts good field position.

The Browns kicker missed a 40yd FG.

So, no.
Howyer did not lose that game for the Browns.

On the other hand, had Cundiff make the FG or the defense had stopped the Colts last drive, Andrew Luck would have been the true goat.

 

[76Texan]

Not to mention the Jags game, where Hoyer completes less than 40% of his passes and the offense generates 2 field goals for the game? Or the Bills game, where the Browns score one FG while Hoyer tosses 2 picks? And how can a starting QB that leads an offense to 7 total points (Texans game) no contribute to the loss?

It's only the preseason, but this board is already in mid-season form for WTF posts.

Did I ever say he didn't contribute to the losses?

NO!

 

[Runner]

It's only the preseason, but this board is already in mid-season form for WTF posts.

As the saying goes, "It will all come out in the wash".

Right now we are on the spin cycle.

 

[DX-TEX]

Greg Bailey ‏@GregBailey13 · 6m6 minutes ago
JJ Watt and S Lechler try to throw a ball and hit the crossbar. It's hard from 20 yds. JJ just hit from 40. Then from 50. Unreal. #Texans

Do it BOB! Put 99 at QB!

#SaveUsJJ

 

[EllisUnit]

That was definitely a team loss.

Afterall, the defense did give up 25 points.
There were 3 long drives of 55, 70, and 90 yards; the last one was the killer since it was the game winning drive.

The ST played a part in the two FG drives given up:
A 41 yard return allowed and a short punt of 31 yd giving the Colts good field position.

The Browns kicker missed a 40yd FG.

So, no.
Howyer did not lose that game for the Browns.

On the other hand, had Cundiff make the FG or the defense had stopped the Colts last drive, Andrew Luck would have been the true goat.

So Hoyer is good is what your saying ? So his entire career has been mostly failure because why ? I think it's easy to assume his failure is not due to everyone else...

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

That was definitely a team loss.

Afterall, the defense did give up 25 points.
There were 3 long drives of 55, 70, and 90 yards; the last one was the killer since it was the game winning drive.

The ST played a part in the two FG drives given up:
A 41 yard return allowed and a short punt of 31 yd giving the Colts good field position.

The Browns kicker missed a 40yd FG.

So, no.
Howyer did not lose that game for the Browns.

On the other hand, had Cundiff make the FG or the defense had stopped the Colts last drive, Andrew Luck would have been the true goat.

Sorry, if that's your way of weighting a loss, then additional response on my part would be fruitless.

 

[infantrycak]

Afterall, the defense did give up 25 points.
There were 3 long drives of 55, 70, and 90 yards; the last one was the killer since it was the game winning drive.

Your lack of objectivity pervades. By any reasonable description that's 1 long drive, 1 average and 1 short.

If you're going to skew something so mundane it casts a pall over the remainder.

 

[76Texan]

Sorry, if that's your way of weighting a loss, then additional response on my part would be fruitless.

So you think the defense shouldn't be blamed for failing to stop a 90-yd drive when it matters the most?
Around here, I'm sure at least one name would be called out.

You never called out a kicker that missed a 40-yd FG?
You're OK with a punter on a 31-yd punt (from his 21-yd line), giving the ball right near midfield? This resulted in a FG.

And another punt from the same spot that netted 33 yards, again giving the opponent the ball near midfield - where they went on to score a TD.

You're OK with the ST allowing a 41-yd return?

(I think that was why Frank Bush was fired, wasn't it?)

But it's the QB that lost the game.
Come on, Doc.

 

[76Texan]

Your lack of objectivity pervades. By any reasonable description that's 1 long drive, 1 average and 1 short.

If you're going to skew something so mundane it casts a pall over the remainder.

You really ought to put things together, and not singling out a single detail, Cak.

 

[76Texan]

So Hoyer is good is what your saying ? So his entire career has been mostly failure because why ? I think it's easy to assume his failure is not due to everyone else...

Don't ever A.S.S.U.ME, Ellis, LOL!

 

[76Texan]

Funky definition of close you have there:

55.3% vs. 67.9%
2.7 TD% vs. 5 TD%
3 INT% vs. 2.6%
7.6 ypa vs. 8.2 ypa
76.5 rating vs. 98.6 rating
43.08 QBR vs. 72.56 QBR

with

17th in rushing vs. 30th in rushing

That's miles apart. Or put another way:

No offer made to keep vs. pro-bowl

As always, stats need to be within certain context.

A QB that completes 6 out of 10 passes has a 60% completion percentage.

Given all else being equal, the second QB that completes 5 balls out of 10, is just the same if his receiver drops a pass.

Or does the QB has to catch the ball too?

 

[Lucky]

As always, stats need to be within certain context.

A QB that completes 6 out of 10 passes has a 60% completion percentage.

Given all else being equal, the second QB that completes 5 balls out of 10, is just the same if his receiver drops a pass.

Or does the QB has to catch the ball too?

Why are Hoyer's passes so much more uncatchable? Could it be their proximity to the receiver?

 

[infantrycak]

As always, stats need to be within certain context.

A QB that completes 6 out of 10 passes has a 60% completion percentage.

Given all else being equal, the second QB that completes 5 balls out of 10, is just the same if his receiver drops a pass.

Or does the QB has to catch the ball too?

Classic - an argument constructed on a low sample size having nothing whatsoever to do with a 438 attempt season. Hoyer was not the victim of 55 extra dropped balls last season.

There's you're context.

You want some more context? - Hoyer was a 55.8% college passer too. And wait for it, Schaub was a 67.0% college passer.

Edit: LOL, Cleveland had the 2nd lowest % of dropped passes last season:

 

[76Texan]

Classic - an argument constructed on a low sample size having nothing whatsoever to do with a 438 attempt season. Hoyer was not the victim of 55 extra dropped balls last season.

There's you're context.

You want some more conext - Hoyer was a 55.8% college passer too. And wait for it, Schaub was a 67.0 college passer.

But all else wasn't equal.

 

[76Texan]

Why are Hoyer's passes so much more uncatchable? Could it be their proximity to the receiver?

Hoyer isn't the most accurate passer, but he's not too bad either.

I'm breaking down about a dozen passes in the Bills game so far.
Will have to finish it up some other time.

You will have (hopefully) a better glimpse why his completion percentage isn't to your liking.
(Or you can just chalk it up to "I see what I like to see" and discount my view entirely.)

Won't bother me none.
At least I know I try to watch the game.

 

[infantrycak]

But all else wasn't equal.

Yeah, one wasn't being represented by you.

 

[76Texan]

Yeah, one wasn't being represented by you.

This post has no merrit.
Nothing to do with the discussion.

 

[infantrycak]

I'm breaking down about a dozen passes in the Bills game so far.
Will have to finish it up some other time.

You will have (hopefully) a better glimpse why his completion percentage isn't to your liking.
(Or you can just chalk it up to "I see what I like to see" and discount my view entirely.)

Won't bother me none.
At least I know I try to watch the game.

This post has no merrit.
Nothing to do with the discussion.

Yeah it does because it doesn't matter how many plays you watch as an advocate. You're throwing out meritless nonsense.

 

[76Texan]

Yeah it does because it doesn't matter how many plays you watch as an advocate. You're throwing out meritless nonsense.

Sorry, but if you can't point out why my post(s) is (are) nonsense, this would be your second nonsense post and I promise not to bother you again.

Have a good day.

 

[infantrycak]

Sorry, but if you can't point out why my post(s) is (are) nonsense, this would be your second nonsense post and I promise not to bother you again.

Have a good day.

Try reading since I just did twice. Your length of drive characterization was not realistic and your drop rationalization is demonstrably wrong. All of which goes to your assertion Hoyer was anywhere close to as good as healthy Schaub being way, way off base.

You're not being a bit objective in your review of Hoyer.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Prime Schaub >>> Prime Hoyer

 

[Dan B.]

The real question that has to be asked then is, in the end, how much positive impact did his being "the best QB the modern Browns have ever had" in actuality have (and leave) on the present state of the Browns.............and the answer is perfectly clear to me.............NONE! And, with your assertion that "it's not like our history is much better," in addition to the recent injuries, players coming off of previous injuries/surgeries and all the question marks with the OL............I find it difficult to imagine that Hoyer will leave any more of a positive mark on THIS franchise than he did in Cleveland.

I'm not claiming Hoyer is better than Schaub. I'm only saying that Hoyer is a bit of an unknown as well, and there are distinct positives as well as negatives to take from his one year leading a team. I don't agree with the narrative that compares him to Fitzy. Fitzpatrick had 2,000 more attempts and six years as a starter when he came to Houston. Hoyer basically got 2/3 of one season last year. They were 7-4 with him and 0-5 without. And he did it without their best offensive playmaker Josh Gordon and the constant distraction of the media, owner, and fans clamoring for Manziel looming over him. While not a large sample that's a pretty distinct positive impact, no?

 

[76Texan]

Your lack of objectivity pervades. By any reasonable description that's 1 long drive, 1 average and 1 short.

If you're going to skew something so mundane it casts a pall over the remainder.

So 3 TD drives of 55, 70, and 90 yards by the opponents are OK with you?

What did I miss here?

 

[76Texan]

As always, stats need to be within certain context.

A QB that completes 6 out of 10 passes has a 60% completion percentage.

Given all else being equal, the second QB that completes 5 balls out of 10, is just the same if his receiver drops a pass.

Or does the QB has to catch the ball too?

What did I say here that is wrong, ICak?

 

[infantrycak]

So 3 TD drives of 55, 70, and 90 yards by the opponents are OK with you?

What did I miss here?

English class. I said my point very clearly - your characterization of those as "3 long drives" shows you have lost objectivity.

On the larger point it doesn't matter if other parts of the team failed also. Hoyer had a **** game in Indy and contributed significantly to the loss. 43.33% 0 TDs, 2 INTs, 29.3 rating = he sucked.

 

[76Texan]

English class. I said my point very clearly - your characterization of those as "3 long drives" shows you have lost objectivity.

On the larger point it doesn't matter if other parts of the team failed also. Hoyer had a **** game in Indy and contributed significantly to the loss. 43.33% 0 TDs, 2 INTs, 29.3 rating = he sucked.

This is football, not English.

Any drive longer than 50 yards that results in a TD for the opponent is a fail.

If you're OK with it, then you will need a very explosive offense.

Good luck with that.

You can call Hoyer suck all day long, but when it matters, he took the team to a score; only to watch the defense give up a TD on a 90'yd drive at the end of the game.

An INT on a hail Mary with the game over by all means figures in your valuation?

I rest my case.

 

[infantrycak]

 

[Dan B.]

English class. I said my point very clearly - your characterization of those as "3 long drives" shows you have lost objectivity.

On the larger point it doesn't matter if other parts of the team failed also. Hoyer had a **** game in Indy and contributed significantly to the loss. 43.33% 0 TDs, 2 INTs, 29.3 rating = he sucked.

?? I didn't say that. I agree that Hoyer had some awful games last year. Indy and Jacksonville are the two best examples. I just can see why OBrien thinks he can get something out of him. He has some history with Hoyer, and Brian only had one real shot in an abnormally difficult situation. Maybe he won't improve and fix what he did wrong then, but I'm not writing "he sucks" in Sharpie on his tombstone yet.

 

[infantrycak]

Dan I had posted the below and then edited it to respond to 76 and screwed it up somehow. Sorry.

They were 7-4 with him and 0-5 without.

Officially it was:

Hoyer 13 starts, 7-6
Manziel 2 starts, 0-2
Shaw 1 start, 0-1

. While not a large sample that's a pretty distinct positive impact, no?

Depends on your reference point, positive from what? League avg. QB, no. His 2 rookie teammates, yes.

 

[Dan B.]

Dan I had posted the below and then edited it to respond to 76 and screwed it up somehow. Sorry.



Officially it was:

Hoyer 13 starts, 7-6
Manziel 2 starts, 0-2
Shaw 1 start, 0-1



Depends on your reference point, positive from what? League avg. QB, no. His 2 rookie teammates, yes.

For some reason I remembered them pulling Hoyer after he stunk for three games straight and the last wheel came off against Buffalo. I assumed he didn't start after that. My fault.

I think he showed some true promise. He fought it out and was successful there with no support from upper management and limited talent surrounding him on offense. Again, he wasn't perfect. I agree he wasn't a top 10 QB or anything last year, but I don't think he was bad. I just don't think he's a finished product yet. As far as the elusive buzzword "potential" goes I think he's closer to Mallett than he is to Fitzpatrick.

 

[infantrycak]

For the record, I don't think Hoyer sucks. I expect some statistical improvement from him this year. But I think at the end of the day he is a Rosenfels, Fitz, level player - a really good backup who is tantalizingly close to starter and has all the smart, hard worker qualities coaches love.

 

[thunderkyss]

All of which goes to your assertion Hoyer was anywhere close to as good as healthy Schaub being way, way off base.

You're not being a bit objective in your review of Hoyer.

I'm curious to see how lil'shanahan does in Atlanta as OC? Most of us agree a big part of Shaub's success was Gary Kubiak, pretty much the same way we're crediting O'Brien for Fitz's above average season. I know Shanahan had been an OC previously, but wasn't last year his first without Daddy or Kubiak as a crutch/safety net/sounding board.

 

[sandman]

I spent my day out in the English countryside at a safari drive where a gang of capuchin monkeys literally tried to dismantle my car. I thought I was having a weird day until I catch up on this thread and find someone is claiming that Hoyer's performance last year was on par with Good Schaub.

Think I'll have an easier time getting the Ford guy to understand why I'm missing parts on my new car than rebut that level of fanboy.

Y'all have a good night. I'm not staying up for the second half.

 

[76Texan]

I spent my day out in the English countryside at a safari drive where a gang of capuchin monkeys literally tried to dismantle my car. I thought I was having a weird day until I catch up on this thread and find someone is claiming that Hoyer's performance last year was on par with Good Schaub.

Think I'll have an easier time getting the Ford guy to understand why I'm missing parts on my new car than rebut that level of fanboy.

Y'all have a good night. I'm not staying up for the second half.

I said near/close, not "on par".

One needs to compare things as closely as possible.
Simulate the lab condition, so to speak.

Schaub:
O-line was fairly highly regarded; a few guys got recognized.

The Texans generated 400 yards more on the ground for Schaub.
That has to help the QB, no doubt.

You look at the different O-line configuration that Hoyer had to deal with, you know it's another disadvantage.

The Browns defense allowed some 700 yards more than the Texans D.

You know that gives Hoyer less time on the field to move the offense; there's a thing called rythm.

Schaub had AJ and a trio of TEs that can create mis-matches for some team.
What did Hoyer have?

Can Hawkins be in the same room as AJ?
Gordon was out for a long time and came back rusted.
Austin and Walter were close to a draw.

Schaub had a boat full of talent out of the backfield, from Foster, to Tate, to Casey.

What did Hoyer have?

Think about those things.

 

[thunderkyss]

I said near/close, not "on par".

You're wasting your time once he breaks out bunny pancakes.

 

[Texecutioner]

Again man, Foles in his second season did not perform up to his first year. His QBR, TD:Int came back down to earth. Mark freaking Sanchez performed well with chip system. If Sanchez can come in play well, to me that's the system. I am basing that on what I have Sanchez do in this prior till signing with the Eagles. It's the reason why Sanchez choose to resign with the Eagles before last season. I have good feeling the Bradford will perform well under chip.

Stop it with this Sanchez nonsense. Sanchez didn't do jack last season. He improved some from what he looked like in NY, but that is because the offense is better for one, and he had better weapons to work with. Sanchez was still a below average QB, and nothing about his play proves anything about the success that Foles had. And did you forget about Michael Vick? If Chip's system was s great, then why didn't Vick have a breakout year in it? Why did Vick struggle to where Foles had to take over the job and Foles immediately took off running having an immaculate season? Interesting how you managed to gloss over Vick's failures to play well under Chip Kelly.

And Foles did not play poorly last season. He got hurt about 8 games in, and the only thing that you could really knock on him was the INT's he had which were 10 at that time. What he would have done for the rest of the season is a mystery, but he was on pace to go over 4,000 yards and throw close to or around 30 TD's. Don't forget that Luck and Manning both threw close to 20 INT's a piece last season and were still considered great QB's.

Do you have any idea what Chip spread offense is all about? His offense very QB friendly. Just like how a WCO is very QB friendly. Sometimes a system can make a QB look better, sometimes, a QB is just pretty damn good. Like Rodgers who is a pretty damn good QB and is not a product of the system.

Yes it can, but that doesn't mean that it "makes a QB." Foles has only played long term for one guy, so there is no evidence to suggest that he isn't just a very good QB for the NFL that could do well with several coaches. The bottom line is that he played well when he got his chance.

Who knows about Hoyer. He was with the Browns and he got benched, I hope that he succeeds here under under a better situation here in Houston.

Hoyer was with like 4 or 5 teams, not just the Browns. He was waived from 4 teams all together. You are trying to make it seem as if he had one bad situation in Cleveland that held him back when he couldn't even make it on the roster of two other teams after his stint in NE.

Btw, Not all QBs are a product of a system. Which what I am not trying to say. I am arguing about Foles, I based that of what he had done with the Eagles and how Sanchez was able to come in not miss a beat.

If Foles is all that, why didn't chip keep him?

This might be the funniest question in this entire post considering the source you are asking about. We're talking about Chip freaking Kelly! The same guy who didn't want Desean Jackson and let him go for nothing. The same guy who let go of Lesean McCoy. The same guy who then didn't want Maclin even. Chip doesn't give a damn about anyone's success there if they weren't some guy that he hand picked. There has not been any rhyme or reason for a lot of Chip's decisions despite the fact that his offenses still seem to play well. That doesn't make players who played well for him only successful because of him though. Doyou think that Maclin, Jackson, and McCoy were all a product of Chip's system too?

 

[Uncle Rico]

If anything today showed that the QB situation isnt nearly as settled. Hoyer may be the starter, but judging by both performances it could easily be Mallet. Age old adage holds true. 'if you have two good QB's on your roster, then you really have none'

 

[Texecutioner]

If anything today showed that the QB situation isnt nearly as settled. Hoyer may be the starter, but judging by both performances it could easily be Mallet. Age old adage holds true. 'if you have two good QB's on your roster, then you really have none'

Very true statement unfortunately.

 

[infantrycak]

You're wasting your time once he breaks out bunny pancakes.

No let's have some bunny fun.

I said near/close, not "on par".

One needs to compare things as closely as possible.
Simulate the lab condition, so to speak.

The stats for Schaub were easily identifiable - 2009.

Schaub:
O-line was fairly highly regarded; a few guys got recognized.

LT to the pro bowl and all pro for Browns. Nobody for the Texans. Brown and Myers hadn't been to a pro bowl yet (Brown was in his 2nd year when people were deciding he didn't totally suck). White and Studdard at G not long for the league.

The Texans generated 400 yards more on the ground for Schaub.
That has to help the QB, no doubt.

1728 Browns at 3.6 ypc vs. 1425 Texans at 3.5 ypc.

You look at the different O-line configuration that Hoyer had to deal with, you know it's another disadvantage.

Studdard and White became starters due to injury.

The Browns defense allowed some 700 yards more than the Texans D.

5857 vs 5197 yds
337 vs 333 pts

Points say tie.

Schaub had AJ and a trio of TEs that can create mis-matches for some team.
What did Hoyer have?

Schaub had OD for 8 games. The TEs combined for 900 yds. Cleveland TEs had 820 yds.

Schaub had a boat full of talent out of the backfield, from Foster, to Tate, to Casey.

Schaub had Slaton, Moats and 1 start from Foster.

Think about those things.

Please do.

 

[Vance87]

If anything today showed that the QB situation isnt nearly as settled. Hoyer may be the starter, but judging by both performances it could easily be Mallet. Age old adage holds true. 'if you have two good QB's on your roster, then you really have none'

Hoyer - 7/11 82 yards
Mallet - 9/17 77 yards

Yeah, easily could be Mallet.

 

[Nitrofish]

Interesting video featuring Heath Evans and Jamie Dukes after last nights performances.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-netwo...reaking-down-the-Texans-quarterback-situation

 

[Seegara]

It's clear now. Hoyer can't exploit an all-out blitz. I guess he doesn't think fast enough. Other teams are going to realize this and keep him under a heavy rush, and he's going to be helpless.

 

[santo]

It's clear now. Hoyer can't exploit an all-out blitz. I guess he doesn't think fast enough. Other teams are going to realize this and keep him under a heavy rush, and he's going to be helpless.

Which is something people here were saying. If he doesn't make the quick read and get the ball out fast to the right receiver, he's in for a long season.