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Report: Brian Hoyer to be named Texans starting QB
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Scooter
Funky
You get the ****'n **** off of this ****'n website right ****'n now you ****'n piece of **** who wears ************!!!!!!
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
How is this not moved into the No-Spin Zone and Dutchrudder banned immediately?
Schaub was physically damaged .... that foot issue was degenerative and would get worse with continued use.
There was no fixing Schaub.
Keenum , Savage ... what's the difference ..... They are just guy's who may be but probably aren't any better than the guy in front of them and many fans would rather have their unknown over the known failure of a broke Schaub or Ryan FitzCraprick.
Damn , I miss Good Schaub. This team would have a real shot with him .....
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
No, he must release the Kraken!
That's wrong in so many ways and yet hilarious.
At least she's not cussing.
noxiousdog
Rookie
When it occurred, I was really happy that Mallett looked so good.
When I re-watched the game a couple weeks ago, I came to a completely different conclusion. The defense and Blue/OL was fantastic. Mallet was average at best.
Weird how perception changes how you view a game.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
For a 1st start?
Hoyer's 1st start, also 4th year in the league:
55.9%, 225 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 73.8 rating, 6.25 ypa
Mallett
66.7%, 211 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 95.3 rating, 7.03 ypa
Hoyer's 1st start, also 4th year in the league:
55.9%, 225 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 73.8 rating, 6.25 ypa
Mallett
66.7%, 211 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 95.3 rating, 7.03 ypa
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Mallett to Blame for Hoyer Starting, No One Else
HOUSTON (CBS HOUSTON) – There is one person to blame if you don’t like the Texans decision to start Brian Hoyer at quarterback against the Chiefs in a few weeks.
Ryan Mallett.
The fan favorite in the quarterback competition has been relegated to the backup spot on the depth chart much to the chagrin of fans of the Texans. Brian Hoyer will start under center and, should he play well, stay there.
It’s certainly not Bill O’Brien’s fault. He simply let the two battle it out from OTAs to the first few weeks of training camp and then picked a quarterback at the conclusion. Make no mistake, one guy didn’t blow the other one away. O’Brien himself commented at how tough it was to choose, likely because he was just trying to pick the lesser of two mediocre situations.
Brian Hoyer is QB1. That’s not because Brian Hoyer won the competition.
It’s because Ryan Mallett lost it.
Look, I’m a Ryan Mallett guy.
I like him. I thoroughly enjoyed his work in college for the Razorbacks. I was disappointed when on draft night 2014 the Texans didn’t somehow end up with the 6’6″ gunslinger. I knew there was a glimmer of hope when he arrived via trade towards the end of training camp last year. I felt the despair when an injury cut short his season.
He went out there and flat out blew it.
Momentum was on Mallett’s side. The team kept him. His teammates know him. They didn’t bring in a star to compete with him, they brought in a journeyman quarterback who was playing for his fifth team since he was undrafted in 2009.
He wasn’t good enough.
I wasn’t at every Texans training camp, but I was at most. I didn’t see every quarterback throw from Hoyer and Mallett, but I saw a lot. Hoyer was better. He wasn’t blow you away good, but he wasn’t bad either. Mallett had great days, sure. He also had horrible days where he looked like it wasn’t even close between he and his competition.
Mallett’s ceiling very well might be higher, but that doesn’t mean much right now. Potential doesn’t mean anything if you can’t tap into it.
When it mattered, Mallett did cut it. Don’t believe me? Ask the decision-maker.
“I don’t put a whole lot of stock in the games,” O’Brien said Monday after the starter announcement. “I put more stock in what’s been going on in practice and things like that.”
Practice was where the competition was decided, and if you watched enough you would know who to pick too.
Tuesday Ryan Mallett faced the media and said a lot of the right things. He was disappointed, hurt, and mad. He didn’t agree with the decision. And he shouldn’t by the way.
He did say one thing that irked me, though.
“I thought I had a pretty good camp. I thought I was consistent. My completion percentage every day, didn’t turn the ball over a lot, had three incompletions so far in the preseason so I thought I was playing alright.”
Alright doesn’t win you the job and the preseason games matter little to none. If you have to think you were consistent, you weren’t.
The Texans are trying to win football games now. Right now, as in week one against the Chiefs at NRG stadium, they have a better chance to win with Hoyer. That’s why he is the quarterback and that’s why Mallett isn’t.
Blame Ryan Mallett for Brian Hoyer starting, not anyone else.
Ryan Mallett.
The fan favorite in the quarterback competition has been relegated to the backup spot on the depth chart much to the chagrin of fans of the Texans. Brian Hoyer will start under center and, should he play well, stay there.
It’s certainly not Bill O’Brien’s fault. He simply let the two battle it out from OTAs to the first few weeks of training camp and then picked a quarterback at the conclusion. Make no mistake, one guy didn’t blow the other one away. O’Brien himself commented at how tough it was to choose, likely because he was just trying to pick the lesser of two mediocre situations.
Brian Hoyer is QB1. That’s not because Brian Hoyer won the competition.
It’s because Ryan Mallett lost it.
Look, I’m a Ryan Mallett guy.
I like him. I thoroughly enjoyed his work in college for the Razorbacks. I was disappointed when on draft night 2014 the Texans didn’t somehow end up with the 6’6″ gunslinger. I knew there was a glimmer of hope when he arrived via trade towards the end of training camp last year. I felt the despair when an injury cut short his season.
He went out there and flat out blew it.
Momentum was on Mallett’s side. The team kept him. His teammates know him. They didn’t bring in a star to compete with him, they brought in a journeyman quarterback who was playing for his fifth team since he was undrafted in 2009.
He wasn’t good enough.
I wasn’t at every Texans training camp, but I was at most. I didn’t see every quarterback throw from Hoyer and Mallett, but I saw a lot. Hoyer was better. He wasn’t blow you away good, but he wasn’t bad either. Mallett had great days, sure. He also had horrible days where he looked like it wasn’t even close between he and his competition.
Mallett’s ceiling very well might be higher, but that doesn’t mean much right now. Potential doesn’t mean anything if you can’t tap into it.
When it mattered, Mallett did cut it. Don’t believe me? Ask the decision-maker.
“I don’t put a whole lot of stock in the games,” O’Brien said Monday after the starter announcement. “I put more stock in what’s been going on in practice and things like that.”
Practice was where the competition was decided, and if you watched enough you would know who to pick too.
Tuesday Ryan Mallett faced the media and said a lot of the right things. He was disappointed, hurt, and mad. He didn’t agree with the decision. And he shouldn’t by the way.
He did say one thing that irked me, though.
“I thought I had a pretty good camp. I thought I was consistent. My completion percentage every day, didn’t turn the ball over a lot, had three incompletions so far in the preseason so I thought I was playing alright.”
Alright doesn’t win you the job and the preseason games matter little to none. If you have to think you were consistent, you weren’t.
The Texans are trying to win football games now. Right now, as in week one against the Chiefs at NRG stadium, they have a better chance to win with Hoyer. That’s why he is the quarterback and that’s why Mallett isn’t.
Blame Ryan Mallett for Brian Hoyer starting, not anyone else.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
No, he must release the Kraken!
Octopussy was always my favorite Bond porn parody.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
There was a scene in the last hard knocks episode that i thought was a microcosm of the whole qb competition thing. During or after one of their live scrimmages they showed Hoyer talking with all the 1st team O and everyone was facing him there was no talking amongst each other..everyone's heads were up and they were listening to him... In the next scene right after that they showed Mallet trying to do the same thing with the 1st team O and guys are turned around talking and laughing with each other not really listening to Mallet at all...He wound up having to get the guys refocused on him talking with a "hey, right here now.." comment.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli 31m31 minutes ago
Ryan Mallett was not at practice today. Bill O'Brien says it's a personal issue. #Texans
uh oh?
Ryan Mallett was not at practice today. Bill O'Brien says it's a personal issue. #Texans
uh oh?
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Who the frack is Cody Stoots? What a lazy article. If Hoyer craters, what will he say then? I very well could be wrong, but if I were making the choice, and it was as close as O'Brien says. I go with the younger, higher ceiling guy. Of course he did not put a lot of stock in the games. They were not trying to showcase Mallet's talent at all, whereas the plays called for Hoyer where right in his wheelhouse. Some guys are great in practice, and crap in games. Others the reverse, and I believe Mallet is the reverse.
Cody is certainly entitled to his opinion, but the writing was on wall for everyone to see. Higher salary and more games started under his belt.
Cody's opinion on who "looked better" during TC isn't shared by many.
I love O'Brien's comment:
Funny, I thought games were the important part.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
PDS @PatDStat 6m6 minutes ago
It's going to be interesting to see how the team deals with a disgruntled quarterback moving towards week one.
It's going to be interesting to see how the team deals with a disgruntled quarterback moving towards week one.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
It was the consensus opinion of media members who actually witnessed a majority of the practices. They were saying it would be Hoyer.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
My confidence in O'Brien has officially been shaken. Oh man, based on Hoyer's health history & play I think there's a good chance we'll see Mallet play. I can only hope it's not another 'playoff hopes are dead so let's see what we've got' approach.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
But it's practice............I mean, it's practice............It's just practice...........
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
I hate that everyone is beating around the bush on this. They may as well tell specially if HK caught itPDS @PatDStat 6m6 minutes ago
It's going to be interesting to see how the team deals with a disgruntled quarterback moving towards week one.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Yeah but they were basing that off of the higher salary. Do you believe that Hoyer suddenly got better in the practices that were not public? I don't. I believe if you look at the signing from day 1 it said he was going to be the man. I said the same thing last year and most of you guys said Fitz would never start, that he was just the vet backup. There was no competition then either. This whole "competition" nonsense has been for HBO, nothing more IMO.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
A prediction of who gets the job is not the same thing. The reports from the open practices by those same reporters was dead heat. Only once the decision was made did the Hoyer magic mushroom mystery practices (keep 'em in the dark and...) become some sort of decisive edge.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
It's preseason. It's not even a real game. It's a scrimmage. What's more important...10 snaps a game running vanilla offense against vanilla defense or 10,000 snaps over the course of an entire offseason?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well now who limited the snaps? It easily could have been 70 a piece at this point.
And c'mon, this is bass ackwards from what essentially every other HC says.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Everyone knows the battles are won at practice.
Games really don't mean much...
OB himself said that he wasn't taking the games in to consideration as much as other stuff.
And if folks go back and watch HK OB actually announced to the staff that Hoyer would be the starter after game one. He then said "we'll let this thing play out for another week and then tell them".
Just my opinion, and obsi and runner were not near the only ones that felt this way, but Hoyer was going to be the starter the moment he signed barring some injury or oddities.
My reasoning for believing that may be different, however I never bought into a qb competition during practice. That's BS. Most decent vets with multiple games under their belt and multiple years in the league are going to be better practice players than their not as experienced cohorts.
It was announced that Hoyer was the actual favorite to start by the contracts, then being given the first practice with the first team. He was the starter and Conteary to fans views he wasn't asking mallett to take the job (considering how unlikely that is in practice) vs asking Hoyer not to blow up and lose the job.
It was Hoyer's job to lose, not Mallett's to win. JMO.
The consensus was that it would be Hoyer. I heard dead-even more than once (including OB) on performance.
OK - turn it around.
What's more important...2000 snaps in 7-on-7 or 11-on-11 vs. your own teammates in a scripted practice or 50-100 snaps against guys not on your team trying to make names for themselves and/or trying to make a roster in a real game environment?
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Its very hard to take someone's spot during practice. Very hard. You have to be spectacular and the other guy has to struggle and still even then often times coaches default to the vet.
I'll give a personal example involving myself. Freshman year of college, I'm in camp. I was pretty good, top 300 player in Texas, top OL from my class. I go to camp with these guys and I'm like "they aren't that good...this is not bad at all." I'm kicking ass. I had an amazing high school OL coach though and my technique was damn good for a freshman in college. My high school coach was better than my college coach. Anyways....I'm calling my boys from high school telling them I think I'm going to start as a true freshman. The senior at my position actually got hurt early in camp. All that was in front of me was a junior and a sophomore. I was better than both. Anyways. Coach eventually has me running with the ones late in camp...he's riding those older guys I'm beating out. I'm thinking "hell yeah, it's on".
End of camp comes. Coach is lining us up with what string we are in. I'm in the second to last group with a bunch of other freshman. Coach tells me I impressed him, he wants me to travel/suit up on gameday (only freshman OL) suiting up on game days, but he wants me to redshirt a year and he's going to roll with the two older guys.
I wasn't devastated or anything...it was still a privilege and I got my first taste of big time college football while most other freshmen in my class were at the campus playing video games and screwing around, but I learned a personal lesson that summer. I had seen other guys in similar situations...but that's the first time it happened to me.
Basically I tell that story just to reiterate, it is hard to move up the depth chart based on practice. Even if the coach "moves you up". Coaches like vets with notches under their belt and I'd imagine in the NFL that is magnified times 1000.
Just based on the way football practices are generally run it is tough to take a guys spot based on practice. It normally takes a guy actually getting in the game to be moved up. Either the starter sucks terribly or is injured almost every time.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
If you can't see that a QB competition based on 2000 reps has more merit than one based on 20 then this conversation should go no further. Competitions get sorted out in practice and then re-evaluated during the regular season. Preseason is for gaining chemistry as a unit and (in the NFL) trimming your roster. Anyone who has ever played football realizes this.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
O'Brien did not say Hoyer would be the starter to the staff. I will watch and listen again. But my recollection is he never said Hoyer's name because he said after the game it was still even. He did say "we'll let this thing play out for another week and then tell them" but he never said Hoyer was going to be the starter.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I'll go back and watch too.
If I'm not mistaken he said it when they were all sitting at the big table. Said he was going with Brian. I'm going to throw it on right now and be back to post if I was mistaken or not. Brb.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
I've said from the beginning that Hoyer was no better than Mallett and that he got the job because he has more experience. It was Mallett's job to look better in practice and win the job because he is the younger, less experienced guy. That's how it works for young guys. You have to earn your keep in practice to get on the field. He had a head start on the offense and he knew his coaches and teammates better yet by pretty much all accounts the guys were still dead even. It should be no surprise that the more experienced guy go the job.
It's just funny to me that the same guys that are pissed about Hoyer getting handed the job are the same guys that had no issue whatsoever just handing the job to Mallett.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I've actually not seen a true competition get sorted out in practice. Live action against other teams is usually the difference in a true competition from what I've seen. Jmo.
For practice to be the deciding factor there usually has to be a clear gap between the players.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
I should have said pecking order. And yes, like you and I both stated, live games is where that stuff evaluated. Preseason is not a real game. It's a scrimmage.
eriadoc
Texan-American
OK then, if he's basing his decision on practice, what is a scrimmage but another form of practice?
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
And that's where I disagree. Look, we may not ever agree on this but we can debate it all day. I find the debate fun.
Imo, it is almost impossible for two evenly matched guys to separate themselves in practice. Practices are scripted, you're going against your own guys and most is not full speed, even when it's "full speed".
Game situations against another team are better barometers because guys are in a more gameday environment. Seeing things they don't normally see, facing a live rush, getting calls in a noisy stadium, playing in front of a huge crowd, dealing with that and dealing with teammates dealing with that. It's just completely different.
I think the problem is that the competition is being sold as equal. It wasn't.
And of course there are people that would have preferred mallett start. Is that really a stretch to understand? Younger. Thought to have a better arm. Taller, played well when given a chance last year.
Look, it's almost like if we'd have taken Derrick Carr or bridgewater or manziel. Guys would not want a guy like Hoyer playing over them and would rather see what the young guy had. It's not about being given a job. Guys are given jobs all the time.
The issue here is:
1) the qb comp was a farce in many people's opinions. Mine too.
2) mallett is younger with more upside and showed some promise last year among many other things. Yes he has warts. All players do.
My personal issue is not that mallett isn't starting. Or that Hoyer is. I just am not fond of the bs qb competition.
But as I have stated. Hoyer is OBs choice. This isn't about mallett not stepping up. OB wanted these guys so whatever happens is ultimately a reflection of him.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Except Hoyer was given the start with the ones from day one. He was given the bigger contract and ran with the ones on the first day. He was the starter.
Which is not really a problem as long as you give the guys real game time to ultimately sort it out.
And I never said pre season was a real game. What I said was that it more closely simulated a real game environment.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I personally am content with Hoyer though I'd have preferred mallett myself. But whatever...I'm looking at OB now. He's either made the right choice, the wrong choice, both guys suck or both are ok. Either way it's his doing.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Which is why I said from the beginning that 2000 reps in practice has way more merit than 20 reps in a scrimmage.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Except no one who watched any of the public practices had the opinion that Hoyer was ahead. It was a dead heat the whole way.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
It was more of a competition than you guys want to admit. I could understand you guys' point of view if OB declared an open competition and then turned around and didn't let Mallet get 1st team reps in practice ever..didn't let him start 1 of our preseason games with the 1's & didn't give him opportunities to throw the ball in the games. But he did. Mallet got all that and if he'd been a little bit more impressive in any of those arenas (practice & preseason games) he might have won over OB's benefit of the doubt.
Ted Johnson hit the nail on the head yesterday when speaking on this subject. This offense values accuracy and good decisions more than a strong arm. That puts Mallet on the outside looking in already. And apart from his strong arm, what else does Mallet bring to the table? I keep hearing talk of his upside, But having a strong arm alone hardly constitutes an "upside". And after being in the league for 4 years now, maybe its time we stop crediting him with having this high upside; OB didn't think it was high enough to gamble more than a future low round draft pick on & neither did any other teams in the league.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You keep saying 20 reps when OB is the one who limited it to that.
And no scrimmage is not the same as preseason. The pace, noise, familiarity with the opposition are all ratcheted up for preseason even if they don't get to regular season game level.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
What's up with Mallet skipping practice? Heard a snippet during lunch and just wondering if anyone else has more info?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Please. Mallett had 7 pass attempts with the 1s.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
That's the camp I'm in although I'm not surprised at the developments. Both guys were pretty close so the more experienced guy got the nod. That happens on every single team in the league.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
You're right jhe never said his name. It's around the 30 min mark FYI. He did say he'd make a decision after the game. He said "to start the season I think you go with the guy who's been the most consistent and the guy you trust the most and then if he's not getting it done you yank him...not a short leash, but you know"
In my mind I must have just assumed he was talking about Hoyer there.