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Report: Brian Hoyer to be named Texans starting QB
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I expected it from the day they signed Hoyer.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Is it Bostonian for "backflip?"
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
But this comment deserves a sticky because I suspect that at least two of the three QBs will have above average careers. One will probably have a career ending injury if the statistical norm holds true.
IF we had Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady in camp at the point our current QBs are at in their careers, I have no doubt the commentary would be the same. Aaron the Career Backup. Brady too short. Peyton living on his daddy's coat tails, etc. And nothing but doom lies ahead for a team with an unsettled QB situation...
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Not those who had actually attended a majority of practices.
Most media have been talking Hoyer for some time now.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Are you trying to string ridiculous statements together?
Define above average?
Not even close to 1 in 3 QBs have career ending injuries unless you goofily include folks at the end of 10+ year careers like Aikman.
If by "we" you mean YOU see no difference between this conversation and one about Manning, Rogers and Brady then that I will believe. For pretty much everyone else, that's just whack. By the way, who are you casting in the 7 years into their career role in your special little world?
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Feel better now?
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
No. I'm using 17 starts, 2 starts and 0 starts.
Just so I'm clear, would you could consider these two players:
a) Bad
b) Adequate
c) Pretty Good
d) Good
e) Very Good
f) Franchise
g) Elite
h) I don't know, I just want to see them play
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The only one there was ever significant question about was Brady and that had ended after he had 17 starts and a SB ring.
And again, define above average?
Hoyer is anywhere from a-c on any given sunday. Mallet has been c when healthy, a when not, with hints of e here and there, but he's mostly h.
I have little reason to get excited for b. I can get my popcorn ready looking forward to c+h/2 all day.
Honestly, for me, it is simply a matter of being unable to get behind a QB that even the Browns did not want back. The Cleveland freakin' Browns! Let that sink in, and then realize that he's now our starting QB.
My greatest hope is that the majority of us is proven wrong. However, my gut feeling is that Hoyer will ultimately prove us all right.
My greatest hope is that the majority of us is proven wrong. However, my gut feeling is that Hoyer will ultimately prove us all right.
I am firmly seated in the wait and see camp.
The people saying Hoyer can't do it, I kind of agree with that assessment but then again, that is based on what he did at Cleveland. Even Bellacheat wasn't worth a damn at Cleveland. In all seriousness, Cleveland is a mess and has been since, well.... a long time. They are terrible at talent evaluation so the argument that "Cleveland chose Johnny Football" over Hoyer doesn't really hold any weight. I saw him do some things I like and some things I don't like and if I had to guess, I'd say is serviceable but I really don't know.
I've seen a lot I like in Mallet but we haven't really seen him in enough situations to say "THERE'S OUR GUY". Maybe OB thinks Hoyer has more upside in the right system than Mallet? Maybe Mallet has some big hole in his game that hasn't been exposed in front of everybody? I don't know.
If I had to say that I like one better than the other, I like Savage. I'm not saying he is going to be special, I (just like you) really have no idea. I like the command he has of the offense, I like the way he hangs in the pocket and he can make all of the throws, or at least I haven't seen a throw he wasn't able to make. He's young and he needs some game time but I'd love to see him out there with the 1's on offense. I want to see what he can do with a line that has less in common with a turnstile.
With all of that said, I don't know who is the best option in the short or long term. All I can do is say that I know for sure that BOB got more out of Fitz than I thought he could, he took Mallet and made him look good for one game (I'm not looking at the injured game) and then he won a couple of games with Keenum. If he wants Hoyer to start, then so be it. He MIGHT be wrong.
Then again, if you are saying you want Mallet to start and you think OB is wrong based on your expertise, even if it turns out that you're right you're a broken clock not a football genius.
Mike
The people saying Hoyer can't do it, I kind of agree with that assessment but then again, that is based on what he did at Cleveland. Even Bellacheat wasn't worth a damn at Cleveland. In all seriousness, Cleveland is a mess and has been since, well.... a long time. They are terrible at talent evaluation so the argument that "Cleveland chose Johnny Football" over Hoyer doesn't really hold any weight. I saw him do some things I like and some things I don't like and if I had to guess, I'd say is serviceable but I really don't know.
I've seen a lot I like in Mallet but we haven't really seen him in enough situations to say "THERE'S OUR GUY". Maybe OB thinks Hoyer has more upside in the right system than Mallet? Maybe Mallet has some big hole in his game that hasn't been exposed in front of everybody? I don't know.
If I had to say that I like one better than the other, I like Savage. I'm not saying he is going to be special, I (just like you) really have no idea. I like the command he has of the offense, I like the way he hangs in the pocket and he can make all of the throws, or at least I haven't seen a throw he wasn't able to make. He's young and he needs some game time but I'd love to see him out there with the 1's on offense. I want to see what he can do with a line that has less in common with a turnstile.
With all of that said, I don't know who is the best option in the short or long term. All I can do is say that I know for sure that BOB got more out of Fitz than I thought he could, he took Mallet and made him look good for one game (I'm not looking at the injured game) and then he won a couple of games with Keenum. If he wants Hoyer to start, then so be it. He MIGHT be wrong.
Then again, if you are saying you want Mallet to start and you think OB is wrong based on your expertise, even if it turns out that you're right you're a broken clock not a football genius.
Mike
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I totally get that. I really do and I kind of feel the same way (or rather my lack of feeling on this is from the same source) but...
I can't help but think "What have the Cleveland Browns ever done that would make me think they knew what a good QB looked like and how would a "good" QB look playing for that "fart in a jar" of an NFL team? Sure, they didn't want Brian Hoyer but consider this. They drafted Johnny Manziel.
We'll know after this season whether we're any better than they are at picking QB's. We might not like the answer to that questions but we'll definitely know.
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
"I'm just going to wait until my turn gets called," Mallett said. "At some point it's going to happen this year. We played four quarterbacks last year, so I'll do what I have to do to better the team."
Wonder how o'brien is going to take these comments. Lmao! Pretty much saying he's better than Hoyer.
Wonder how o'brien is going to take these comments. Lmao! Pretty much saying he's better than Hoyer.
He should think he's better than Hoyer. The day he stops believing that is the day he needs to find a perma-hobby.
If you're a fan of Seinfeld, this has the vibe of Jerry dating a chick that Newman dated and Newman broke up with. It is unsettling and a splinter in the mind's eye.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
When Brian Hoyer wins the Super Bowl and leads the league in Touchdown passes and passing yards this year, makes the pro bowl and is named a first-team All Pro, wins the league MVP as well, I wonder what the nay sayers will say then? The man is pretty much Tom Brady in disguise... He's just ready to be unleashed!!!! Bill O'Brien struck gold with this free agent signing. Just enjoy the ride and the Lombardi Trophy's will start to come our way.
Whatever you're drinking/smoking/sniffing...you need to share.
PapaL
Loose Screw
No Hall of Fame waiver? LAME!
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Oh yes it does!
eriadoc
Texan-American
You know, there is a sarcasm smiley you could use. You know, for courtesy.
I'm up here and I don't see you.
Wait, I think I see you now.
You're way way up there, bro. LOL.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
You are criticizing me for using a small sample size while using the smallest one possible. Plenty of guys look good in one game. Mallet's career % is even lower than his % last year.
I could just as easily describe Mallett as a guy who was dumped for a rookie, only worth a conditional seventh round pick to trade for, and got zero interest from anyone other than Houston in his only free agency run last year.
I should be clear here. I don't hate Mallett. It's not like I think he should be playing for the Iowa Barnstormers. I just think Hoyer gives us the best chance to win. I believe that the smartest and most successful strategy is to play the best odds every time and I think our best odds are with Hoyer at the helm.
I have seen more of Mallett than just Hard Knocks (although that show has a few examples ie O'Brien wondering what the F*** Mallett was thinking when O'Brien watched him throw that interception in the film room). I watched him in college, I watched him last year and I've watched both preseason games so far. I haven't seen anything from him that makes me think he could be special, or even any better than Fitz or Hoyer. He's ok, but he tends to force things more than I like. I don't like that in a rookie, much less a seasoned vet.
Ok, talking QB's. Aaron Rogers went right when he was supposed to, and then backed up Favre for years -- the definition of playing it safe at QB and seeing it pay off. Brady was famously a sixth round pick who only took over when the Pats' starter was injured. It was surprising that he was so good, but there was no risk involved in starting him. Bledsoe was hurt; Brady was the backup. If Hoyer gets hurt it isn't risky to start Mallett. I don't consider Wilson as a particularly high risk pick. He was projected as a mid round pick and went in the third -- maybe one round earlier than thought but hardly a WTF? move. I think Manning and Luck (yeah I know he hasn't been to the SB) were both very safe, low risk picks. They were the no brainer #1 choices the years they went. Denver signing Peyton off an injury was a little risky I admit, but it's not the craziest scheme a GM has ever pulled considering the guy is a first ballot HOFer.
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That's RIGHT! That's RIGHT!!! GOOD MALLET!!! Ooooops I mean Hoyer.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Dang I do need that sig.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
He took less money so he wouldn't get punched in the face. Seems like a smart decision to me.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
Thanks, that does help. I honestly think a little better of Mallett now. f he turned down New York he must be a little smarter than I thought.
I agree with the train of thought about why New England let him walk. They are well known for dumping high priced veterans and stocking up on draft picks constantly. There's got to be a reason they didn't get a king's ransom for Brady and let Mallett take the reins.
I'm sure it's because their head's were spinning after watching Hoyer blossom in Cleveland and realizing all they had lost.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
Can't talk to much noise about Cleveland considering who Mallett beat in the lone game everyone trumpets as a reason to start him
Sure I can, watch ...
Cleveland stinks and Mallett did exactly what he was supposed to do in defeating them and just what I'd personally like to see more of here.
But alas ...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You can't be serious.
They ain't well known for doing it with QB.
Brady was not 1 or 2 overpaid years away from retirement last year. He was 4 underpaid years from the end of his contract which he will in all likelihood play out in a Patriots uniform. Actually I think he plays beyond his current contract in a Patriots uniform.*
* and don't be surprised if 5 years from now (Brady actually mentioned 8 more years, but pairing that back a mit) Brady and Belichick retire at the same time.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
I agree with this. I'm just honestly curious what you see in Mallett that makes you think he has this potential. I don't see anything that screams "just give him a chance and he'll blow you away" in the games I've watched or the film I saw. I see a guy that looks like a career backup TBH. The only real reason I prefer Hoyer is because I think Ryan is more careless/reckless.
Again, why was the price to get him so low? It's nice that the team with a new GM from the Texans tree offered him a deal this offseason and all, but why didn't anyone else see that potential last year? I remember being surprised that the price was so low for him. I just assumed he was a pricier target based on the talk he seemed to get ie Matt Cassel and Jimmy Garrapelo.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The guy was graded a 1st rounder coming out of college. He only fell because he admitted coke use. But if you don't see it you don't. Fair enough.
I'm not a Farve gambler fan but I'm not afraid of a self-confident QB taking some shots. Mallett needs real play time to get the speed of the NFL and I think he'll have a shot to see some of those 'I can fit this in there' balls shouldn't be thrown. Don't know it for sure but that's something you don't learn in practice.
Again, Mallett said he would not sign with them. The Patriots blew it. In the face of the whole league knowing he was gone they asked for a 2nd. By the time the trade got done rosters were all but set.
Two years in a row. I felt the exact same way when I learned we signed Ryan Fitzpatrick, the guy Tennessee didn't want. The guy Buffalo ditched.
& he was named our starter before camp even started. No competition whatsoever.
Yeah and look how that turned out.
I'll say I was wrong.
Cleveland Browns fans are telling jokes where we're the punchline...
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
speedfreek
All Pro
Honestly, the reason Hoyer got the nod was last weeks game. I was really hoping
Mallett would separate himself --because IMO, that's the only way this team improves
this year (if Ryan reached his potential, etc.)
But what I saw in that last game sealed it. The kid has no touch on short balls. He
looked really awkward trying to drop in a screen pass. And by my count it happened
three times this preseason. He's got a cannon, but there doesn't seem to be any
touch on the ball.
This jives pretty square with what some of my pats friends were telling me when we
signed the kid last year..
Mallett would separate himself --because IMO, that's the only way this team improves
this year (if Ryan reached his potential, etc.)
But what I saw in that last game sealed it. The kid has no touch on short balls. He
looked really awkward trying to drop in a screen pass. And by my count it happened
three times this preseason. He's got a cannon, but there doesn't seem to be any
touch on the ball.
This jives pretty square with what some of my pats friends were telling me when we
signed the kid last year..
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Much like the Bill's fans were last year.
Until they find a QB who's better and they win more games than we do, they're just fooling themselves.
You're saying after Rodgers, Brady, & Peyton started 13 games we would be saying, "NEXT!!!"
Try saying that stupid shot out loud & tell me you still feel the same way.
