I thought the same thing. But he's talking about the whole season, not just the next pre-season game.
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I thought the same thing. But he's talking about the whole season, not just the next pre-season game.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
John McClain @McClain_on_NFL
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL
Hopkins on Hoyer "He's a hard working guy. Hates making mistakes. He'll beat himself up, then try to be perfect on the next play."
Hopkins on Hoyer "He's the commander, the chief of this offense."
Hopkins "You can tell with the way he handles himself on the field he's been in this offense 4 years. He has command of the huddle."
Hopkins on Hoyer "I don't question his arm strength. I've seen him throw it 70 yards. He's been comfortable in this system since Day One."
Hopkins on Hoyer "He brings leadership to the table. He knows what its like to have pressure on him."
Hopkins on Hoyer "He's the commander, the chief of this offense."
Hopkins "You can tell with the way he handles himself on the field he's been in this offense 4 years. He has command of the huddle."
Hopkins on Hoyer "I don't question his arm strength. I've seen him throw it 70 yards. He's been comfortable in this system since Day One."
Hopkins on Hoyer "He brings leadership to the table. He knows what its like to have pressure on him."
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL
DeAndre Hopkins on Brian Hoyer 'he's the commander. He's the chief of this offense and he handles himself like that.'
DeAndre Hopkins on Brian Hoyer 'I don't question anything about him, his arm strength of anything. If anyone can run this offense, he can'
DeAndre Hopkins on Brian Hoyer 'I don't question anything about him, his arm strength of anything. If anyone can run this offense, he can'
corytx8
Rookie
Why? Because OB didn't pick the guy you wanted? I was wanting Mallet start myself but OB believes that he can win with Hoyer. At this point, its all about the results on the field. OB took a team to 9-7 with 4 different starting QBs. I think he deserves a benefit of a doubt for the season.
This season has a 50/50 of going good and bad. That goes for every team in the NFL. I am sure OB will be quick to pull Hoyer for Mallet if the ship starts to sink.
I just don't understand why everyone is getting bent out of shape. Stay calm folks, its ok.
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I just don't understand why anyone would get bent out of shape about people disagreeing with OB on this.
Because he went with a guy with 56.5% completion ratio, poor completion ratio in the preseason and looked like a scared child against a good pass rush. What's not to get bent out of shape about? 1 good pass in preseason must be enough.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Because he's f'king around not finding a long term solution at the most important position on the field.
Because while he's farting around thinking he's the savior who will make 4th time a charm for Hoyer, he's wasting years off the careers of other players on the team like JJ.
3 - Savage played a wopping 2 qtrs in relief (although that did get more attempts than either guy in the "QB competition"). This 4 QBs thing is silly.
Fine - is there any limit on your benefit of the doubt? I think 2 offseasons to attempt someone with long term starter potential is fair.
And he doesn't deserve anything after that closed practice BS he ran up our backsides today.
What upset me is that it appeared as if OB wanted Hoyer from the get go & I can't find a reason other than blind loyalty.
The Steelers didn't want him for a back-up. The Cardinals would rather have Lindley on their roster. The Browns... The factory of sadness, has seen enough.
But from paying him more than Fitz, not even matching Mallett's other offer, then pulling Hoyer in the first pre-season game, as if he was the starter...
I mean, I know when someone's being blown up my azz
The Steelers didn't want him for a back-up. The Cardinals would rather have Lindley on their roster. The Browns... The factory of sadness, has seen enough.
But from paying him more than Fitz, not even matching Mallett's other offer, then pulling Hoyer in the first pre-season game, as if he was the starter...
I mean, I know when someone's being blown up my azz
Did you quote the wrong post there?
Maybe. LOL. Don't judge me !!! Good points, though.
nut
Veteran
I myself am furious that we go through this every year. It is like groundhog day every damn year. I realize that good quarterbacks don't grow on trees but we have never made a decent effort to get one. It is complete crap. This just in - You can't win without a halfass quarterback. Even the 85 Bears had McMahon who was better than most.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Hoyer hates making mistakes, but makes a lot none the less. Beats himself up, tries to be perfect, makes a mistake beats himself... rinse and repeat.
Thought good QBs had short memories?
corytx8
Rookie
You based this waste off of what? Last time I checked, we are still 0-0 for the season. Besides, JJ shouldn't have resigned a contact here if he felt his career was going to be wasted, for that I don't feel sorry just like I don't feel sorry for AJ. In the mean, we have to roll with what we got.
Maybe he Savage is a long term solution, maybe he is still looking for for the guy he wants for a long term solution. We have no idea what is going on in OB head. I recommend not letting this decision get us because OB isn't making moves our terms.
Sorry my bad, 3 QBs with the third receiving a phone call while he was on a hunting trip. Yes, there is a limit to my benefit of doubt. That limit occurs when OB fails to produce results on the field. I can careless who my QBs are, I care about results.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Yes, but people keep making the assumption that Mallett is a very good quarterback, and that is one of the reasons they are pissed - he's obviously better than Hoyer, right? But that is an assumption based on one game played in what, five years as pro? It is a good thing we can conveniently forget that second game, since he had an excuse for his poor play. I'm not sure Mallett offers a whole lot over Hoyer.
I don't like having Hoyer as the QB of this team either. That doesn't mean Mallett is automatically better and has tremendous upside. I don't like that the Texans apparently have three levels of mediocrity* at quarterback, based on my interpretation of the head coach/quarterback guru's actions.
*I'm being generous
corytx8
Rookie
This is a stance that I am taking, which is another why I am not upset about this move.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I'm disappointed. But I'll withhold judgement until I watch the final two preseason games.
My friend who's a Brown's fan thinks that O'Brien made the right decision. I asked him why the wheels came off during Hoyer's final games there, and he said, "He played over his head for a few wins, but then going from 7-4 to 7-6 led to a switch. The wheels didn't come off, because they were never really on. It's Cleveland."
But after assuming for months that Mallet would be the prospective long term solution, I now have to wonder what we're doing about the long term solution. Does Savage just require another year of learning? I can get behind that, but if it's not Savage, then what the hell is going on?
My friend who's a Brown's fan thinks that O'Brien made the right decision. I asked him why the wheels came off during Hoyer's final games there, and he said, "He played over his head for a few wins, but then going from 7-4 to 7-6 led to a switch. The wheels didn't come off, because they were never really on. It's Cleveland."
But after assuming for months that Mallet would be the prospective long term solution, I now have to wonder what we're doing about the long term solution. Does Savage just require another year of learning? I can get behind that, but if it's not Savage, then what the hell is going on?
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
The team was in deep **** when Foster went out. No way you can have a statue in Mallet back there when the running game wont be much of a threat. Im getting yucky feelings about this season.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Well at least no one has started a thread asking whether we'd be better off with Case Keenum as the starter like they have over on ClutchFans....
We don't agree on much of anything but we totally agree on this. I didn't care if Mallett/Savage/Garappolo became the starter. I just wanted a QB for the future, which isn't Hoyer. IMHO The best I see Hoyer doing is 10-6 and sneaking into the playoffs. Not being a true SB contender.
Meanwhile JJ gets another yr older just like AJ did. This all goes to the top of the org though and as long as there's a JJ/AJ to carry the mantle don't expect much change. You know what will create change? A Rockets/Astros championship. But hey, they're on the right track.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
We led the league in passing with an even worse statue and the 30th rushing attack.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
And that is where the comparison ends.
I knew this was a JFF fan right from the start. It was less about Hoyer than JFF. This dude probably had a stroke by now. lol
How many times are we going to say this?
And if Mallett had be named starter Hopkins would have said the same exact things.
Put me on the disappointed list as well. I said I would get behind whomever is chosen and I will. But I probably will not be watching games live this year after this decision. Being here in Asia these games are on at 1am or later, and I simply am not going to stay up that late to watch Hoyer unless he somehow starts lighting up. Instead I will wait until the following day and watch condensed, and no commercial breaks on NFL Game Pass. Takes about 30 minutes for a full game which is awesome. I can then watch a few other games in the time it takes to watch one live. This will be the first time I have ever missed a Texans game live. I have always wanted to see the game live. But this announcement has left me jaded as I feel we are repeating last season all over again. Maybe Hoyer is better than Fitzy. Will just have to wait and see I guess.
Hoyer seems frail to me, and I see him getting injured at some point, especially if he keeps taking sacks like he has been, or is out there running around trying to make plays. Hoyer tore his ACL sliding FFS. Never seen something like that before, until I saw RG3 dislocate his own ankle. So I expect is to see Mallett at some point this year, but would rather have seen Mallett start, then pull him for Hoyer if Mallet was not getting it done.
In the end, if Hoyer plays this season, and Savage comes on with Hoyer as the backup the rest of the way, I will not be as disappointed. I guess more than anything I wanted to see if Mallett has anything, and we are never going to know because the coach is playing it safe instead of going for it. I could see a trade this year of Mallett, or for sure he is gone next season. Someone will give him the keys tot he franchise, it just won't be our coach.
corytx8
Rookie
Man, I would tell you to not miss out on live football, but I was once in your footsteps at one time watching football at 3am while stationed in Guam. Where in Asia are ya at? Game Pass is a great deal, I will be ordering it myself here shortly.
I just fail to see how this decision is playing it safe. Especially if Mallet and Hoyer are on the same level. I guess I see it as 50/50.
I'll be at NRG for every game I can. I'll be wearing my Cold Steel Blue & cheering the Texans. I'll get behind Hoyer as much as I can...
& believe me I hope I am wrong about him.
But I won't sugar coat anything when it comes to dieting his play. Generally I don't say anything if I don't have anything good to say. But we're talking about the most important position on the field here.
I won't pretend to be fair. I'll be the nitpickeist I've been since the David Carr days. But if he blows my socks off... if I'm wrong, I'll say so. But he'll have to blow my socks off.
& believe me I hope I am wrong about him.
But I won't sugar coat anything when it comes to dieting his play. Generally I don't say anything if I don't have anything good to say. But we're talking about the most important position on the field here.
I won't pretend to be fair. I'll be the nitpickeist I've been since the David Carr days. But if he blows my socks off... if I'm wrong, I'll say so. But he'll have to blow my socks off.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
If the best thing the HC says about a QB is "he's consistent," he's the safe pick.
I don't think the argument is that Mallett is absolutely assuredly better than Hoyer. It's that Hoyer is absolutely assuredly ho-hum short of a miracle. Mallett offers some kind of hope.
We settled for the safe thing last year. It bought some time to roster build and all that new coach get to know ya stuff and that was fine. Two years of "8th seed" expectations is pretty crummy though. Especially when you've got a wild card you can play with nothing really to lose.
It depends. If the guy knows how to protect himself; step up in the pocket, get the ball out on time, beat a blitz every so often... I wouldn't mind seeing a statue under center.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Living in the Philippines, but back and forth between here, Guam and Indonesia.
See Cak's answer below. Pretty much covers it.
I've never missed a game live intentionally while over here no matter what time it was. I would be in front of my TV with my jersey on, pizza and beer and shouting at my TV like a stereotypical fan. This will be a first for me. Hopefully Hoyer can force me to change my mind. I'm not going to hold my breathe however. I'm sure I will watch the very first game live and decide after that. But since we are facing the Chiefs D, I expect Hoyer to get sacked a lot and look terrible doing it. If Hoyer can pull off a win at home against the Chiefs. Expect some boos to be rained down if Hoyer stinks it up.
Ditto, but haven't found out how to get the games live yet...
Where is the Q & A sessions with Mallett? Godsey?
Thankfully there are a lot of great QB's in the next draft...
Oh wait...
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
We should sticky this thread or something so that we can revisit everyones opinions once the season is done
I'm down. I'm on the Hoyer train and have been for a couple of weeks. I think he has better leadership qualities. I thought Cleveland was better last year than I expected with him at the helm. I'm well aware that I get a limited amount of exposure to the players and I don't claim to be an insider expert, but from my limited view Hoyer seems to own up to his errors and a better rapport with his teammates. Seems like Mallet always has an excuse when he screws up. "Well, that was the play they told me to run." "Well, I could get away with that false start in New England." Hoyer just says "sorry Blue. That one's on me. I'll fix it next time." I prefer that attitude and I think it helps the team play as a cohesive unit rather than pointing fingers.
I'm not sold on Mallet having a better completion percentage in a preseason game as a logical reason to start him over Hoyer. Lord knows I've seen a few guys throw it for 90% in preseason against second stringers and end up as the backup once the season starts.
I think it is important to play it safe and be consistent by minimizing mistakes and mental errors. I think Hoyer gives the Texans the best chance to do that. He has a better career QBR, a better TD/INT ratio, better YPA, better completion %. I don't think there's a single statistic that Mallet leads in. I understand that the sample size is much smaller, but Mallett hasn't taken advantage of the few opportunities he has had IMO. From what I've seen of him he tends to force plays rather than taking the safe, less risky course. Coaches hate risk.
And anyway you look at it all 3 QB's should be ready to step in at a moment's notice every week. With the shape of our offensive line and the lack of a running game to divert the defense, our QB's may be taking a pounding all year long.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Did you note how many times the wide open guy had to wait on the ball?
texanhead08
All Pro
This organization always makes the safe pick thats why mediocrity is as good as it ever gets around here.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
But I thought Bill O'Brien was all new and saviory.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
I think making risky moves every year means you most likely end up like Oakland or Washington. They would kill to be mediocre.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
He proved he had a rookie starting season and it's out of the way. We still would have to go through that with Mallett. I still think both Mallett and Savage have more potential after 2015.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
There it nothing wrong with investing a high round draft pick on a QB WHEN there is a QB worthy of using a high round draft pick. But that hasn't been the case. Someone will start on all 32 teams, so by attrition you will look back and see starters we could have had. But there haven't been the elite out there for us.We are on the same page there. For many seasons now I have been wanting the Texans to invest a high draft pick on a quarterback that truly has potential to be a franchise QB. Many on the board think that is unrealistic, because there hasn't been a good quarterback in the draft for at least three years and probably not for many years in the future.
Now we have Brian Hoyer and two guys with little to no experience who couldn't even unseat him. I can't wait to hear how dumb it is to invest a first round pick in a quarterback next draft when we have bench all-pros in Mallett and Savage.
The exception might be Manning coming off surgery, but I agreed with the decision at the time so I wouldn't call it a no-brainer.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Just think about "Tin Cup" when you disparage par. The guy had to find success on a psychological field because the playing field kept penalizing him.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Sometimes I hate being 6 hours ahead and not able to respond until the next morning. That being said...
Hoyer has been a starter for one year. I picked a single season from Buffalo. Comparing one season to an average of four seasons isn't a legitimate comparison. But there are three of Fitz' seasons in Buffalo that I would individually put up against Hoyer's one season with 2011 and 2012 being clear and obvious differences:
Hoyer 2014: 56%/3325/12/76.5
Fitz 2011: 62%/3830/24/79.1
Fitz 2012: 61%/3400/24/83.3
So no, Hoyer in his one year with a bad Browns team did not come close to having the same stats that Fitz had twice on bad Bills teams.
It was never about a W-L record, as I am pretty sure I stated we were talking purely about stats. However, Hoyer was 9-7 in Cleveland. 7-7 last year in 14 games and 2-0 the previous season after Weeden was benched. He started the Buffalo game, played 5 minutes and had 4 pass attempts, then got hurt. Absolutely no way he gets credit for that win.
I feel like everything about Hoyer is an argument that he is better than an unproven Mallett and that he could be as good as Fitz. But he is 6'2" like Rodgers and OB says he is amazing in the secret practices.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
OK, it's been about 24 hours (give or take) and I'm OK with this. I mean really what's different about 2015 from any other Texans season really?
Key player injured, unsure how we'll deal with his absence? Check.
Questions at the QB position? Check.
Pretty much one WR we can absolutely count on along with a bunch of question marks? Check.
Half of us are starting to wonder if the coach is a genius. The other half wonder if he's an idiot? Check.
Defense looks promising if they stay healthy and will be expected to carry the offense to some degree? Check.
With a tweak or two in a couple of areas this could seriously be any Texans team in their history.
Screw it. I'm in.
Key player injured, unsure how we'll deal with his absence? Check.
Questions at the QB position? Check.
Pretty much one WR we can absolutely count on along with a bunch of question marks? Check.
Half of us are starting to wonder if the coach is a genius. The other half wonder if he's an idiot? Check.
Defense looks promising if they stay healthy and will be expected to carry the offense to some degree? Check.
With a tweak or two in a couple of areas this could seriously be any Texans team in their history.
Screw it. I'm in.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
You won the message board for today.
I miss Indonesia.
There's no good way to say this:
I'm not saying Mallett is a great QB. I'm saying he has more upside, imho, and is an unknown with potential. Hoyer is a known quantity and that quantity is mediocre. I was looking forward to seeing what Mallett could do as a starter. I'm all too aware of what Hoyer can do as a starter. Oh well. Such is life as a Texans fan.
I'll just address this part of your post... don't agree with most of it. But this one in particular.
Nobody wants to start Mallett over Hoyer because he has a slightly higher completion percentage in a preseason game. Someone may have used that as an argument to justify their case, but that is not & has never been "the reason."
The reason most want to see Mallett instead of Hoyer, is because we want to get past both of them & find our franchise guy. We've seen Hoyer in 13 some odd games & we know he's not the answer. & as far as I'm concerned, had Mallett lost out to Hoyer in a fair competition (which I'm not sold on) I'd be done with Mallett as well. But this speaks to blind loyalty. OB wanted Hoyer. Period.
What those of us who do not like this decision is envisioning is a handful of games that will confirm what we already know. Then a handful of games to see Mallett on the field. Keep in mind, many of us have been waiting since week 1 of last season.
If it plays out that Mallett is not the one, we're going to have our fingers crossed that there's someone worthy of a 1st round pick within the Texans' grasp. Most likely we'll pass on him & rationalize that OB knows more than we do & he sees something in Savage. Savage will have to compete in the offseason with Matt Cassel (who OB will undoubtedly bring in, at $7M/yr), lose that "competition" & we'll start this goofy ride all over again.
It's my emotions man...
They keep playing with my emotions.
