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Chronicle: The Mallett/Hoyer Competition

infantrycak said:
This 4-11 pass **** is BS. Neither QB is being given time and plays to get a rythym, into a comfort zone. 2 wasted games for a QB "competition."
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I agree while the dink and dunk game is ok here and there you have to take some shots. Only one taking shots is Savage and he don't get much time behind that shitty 3rd line.
 
infantrycak said:
This 4-11 pass **** is BS. Neither QB is being given time and plays to get a rythym, into a comfort zone. 2 wasted games for a QB "competition."
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We're not going to see much against Dallas in the final pre-season game. I doubt we'll see what we want against the Saints (FOX Nationally televised game on Sunday). Bill O'Brien must know who he's starting Week 1 against the Chiefs because the next two games won't tell us much. I'm pretty disappointed myself. I thought one guy would already be taking control.
 
EllisUnit said:
I agree while the dink and dunk game is ok here and there you have to take some shots. Only one taking shots is Savage and he don't get much time behind that shitty 3rd line.
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Tom Savage has some guts but as you said he's getting killed in the pocket during potential game-winning drives like tonight. He doesn't have much of a chance with what he's working with right now. Maybe play Savage the entire first half against the Saints so we can see what he does with the first team? I doubt it happens but until then we can't even properly evaluate him.

I'm worried we don't even have a franchise quarterback on our roster. If that's the case do we end up drafting one in the first round next year? I mean, I'm sorry but Bill O'Brien is a stubborn man if he's going to stick up for these guys who don't produce. I need to see something soon so I can believe. I'm waiting for Mallett or Hoyer to step up and play well consistently.

If we have to rely on Tom Savage we're likely staring another 2-14 season in the face. Even with Mallett or Hoyer this 2015 season isn't looking much better than 6-10. And that's with a hopefully dominating defense. Hopefully we can still go 11-5 which was my prediction before Arian Foster went down. No running game is going to hurt us with these quarterbacks.

Re-watching some of the games last year it's apparent Arian Foster was as close to our team MVP as J.J. Watt was. They were MVP 1-A and MVP 1-B. We lost a big part of the team and I'm not sure we can manage. Best case scenario we're 5-3 at the halfway point still in the AFC wild-card race when Arian Foster returns.
 
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Andre Ware was saying tonight that the time to name the starter is NOW! Give one of these guys the boost to feel that this is his team and he's about to take the offense into battle. Otherwise, all of this up-in-the-air bullshit is more than likely to hinder whoever is going to be starter.

Lift the weight off of one of their shoulders.
 
I thought both guys looked awful tonight. IMO, Mallett is blowing his chance. I don't think Hoyer has "won" the QB job. Mallett is failing to convincingly beat out Brian freaking Hoyer in a QB battle and that is not good. Personally I think Hoyer starts week 1 at this point. He's the vet and the vet usually gets the benefit of a doubt. Mallett may have more potential but he has shown nothing to suggest that he should be the starter. It's very disconcerting to me that he has failed to distinguish himself from Hoyer, who I consider to be the most average of QB's.
 
Would have personally preferred to see the 'starting' QB for each game given the first half, with the #2 getting the 3rd Q and Savage playing 4th Q in each game.

Hopefully we'll see both guys given a decent number of series in the 3rd game.

I was expecting OB to have his mind made up before the first pre-season game tbh, I thought we would get some smoke and mirrors and faux indecision but if that is whats going on then he's doing a damn good job of it because I get the impression he doesn't have a clue who to go with.

Thats all well and good right now, but 3 games into the season if the starter isn't convincing its going to put the coaching staff in an extremely difficult position, players go through dips in form all the time and if your starting QB has a little slump the fanbase is going to go into meltdown calling for the other guy too soon.

I get that OB feels he can win with either, I just feel like I'd prefer the uncertainty removed by this stage.
 
WolverineFan said:
I thought both guys looked awful tonight. IMO, Mallett is blowing his chance. I don't think Hoyer has "won" the QB job. Mallett is failing to convincingly beat out Brian freaking Hoyer in a QB battle and that is not good. Personally I think Hoyer starts week 1 at this point. He's the vet and the vet usually gets the benefit of a doubt. Mallett may have more potential but he has shown nothing to suggest that he should be the starter. It's very disconcerting to me that he has failed to distinguish himself from Hoyer, who I consider to be the most average of QB's.
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I'm not sure how you can judge a qb with such limited reps. It's like giving two guys 5 three point attempts to see who's the better shooter and then saying omg I can't believe one of you couldn't distinguish yourself from the other. Neither guy is able to get into a groove. Peyton wasn't good either in his limited reps and just going off that he'd be failing to beat out "Brian freaking Hoyer" either.

Sometimes the game/qb is stuck in mud for a series/quarters.

This is part of the reason why I was never find of a goofy qb competition. Pick a guy. Pick your guy. You are the lead authority on qb's. It's your job to know or at least make the decision you think is best.

Its unreasonable to judge a qb on a few series of work. According to OB both guys have been neck and neck so far...so what is he going to do? Default to Hoyer? Show "blind" faith in Mallett? Or maybe he just alternates QB through the season since both are neck and neck and not doing anything to separate themselves.

And really if this is based off of practice and film room and how they handle themselves.....good luck.

Ohio State isn't starting their qb this year who was third on the depth chart last season because he was great in practice. They are starting him because he was great in games that mattered.

If you have a qb battle going on it usually comes down to how they perform in game situations because it's hard to separate yourself in practice unless you are just on a different stratosphere from everyone else...but the kicker is it usually takes game reps to get to that point to be on that level.

The reason why it normally takes game reps to be great in practice is because after you've played in quite a few games you know exactly what you need to work on in practice.

Honestly, I'd say that it's bad on Hoyer who has more actual game reps that he's not been able to show himself superior to mallett. He has more experience. If he's truly better than the guy that should be shining through everywhere.

I'd be more worried that Hoyer hasn't been able to clearly show he's better than mallett at this point. He's the one with the most experience which means at this point mallett is keeping up with sheer ability. If he got some actual game experience it might not be close. Or he could show he doesn't belong.

Will we ever find out?
 
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The second-year quarterback wasn’t close to perfect and a potential game-winning drive during the final two minutes was killed by incompletions and poor clock management. But the 2014 draft project continued to show the glimpses that have made him increasingly intriguing as the preseason has unfolded.

“You’re just never going to really know until he gets his shot,” Texans coach Bill O’Brien said. “And maybe he’ll get his shot at some point. And when he does, he’s just got to be ready to take advantage of it.”
O’Brien offered rare words of praise for Savage this week, saying a QB who went more than 1,000 days without playing a college game has made clear strides in Year Two. While O’Brien has consistently acknowledged the daily ebb and flow of his two possible starters, the demanding coach made clear that Savage has recaptured the Texans’ eye after a rough rookie year.

“It’s getting better,” O’Brien said. “Again, it’s hard. It’s very difficult when you’re a young quarterback in this league. It’s a hard thing. It takes a while to develop.”
The Texans need a real thrower as much as they need Arian Foster’s speedy return. Savage doesn’t have a shot to take the first snap in Week 1. But if the team’s season goes south, he could get a late look in 2015. And the Texans’ best-case scenario at QB this season is for either Hoyer or Mallett to hold down the job for all 16 games, all while Savage sets himself up for a third-year run at the No. 1 spot.

“It really has been fun just going out there and playing and being loose and not really trying to overthink,” said Savage, who was 15-of-24 Saturday for a game-high 168 yards and an 83.3 rating.
Hoyer, at best, is a two-year band-aid until the Texans find their true answer at quarterback. Mallett has had the offseason, OTAs, training camp and two preseason contests to steal the job. He threw for just 23 yards as the starter Saturday and continues to allow his inconsistency to erase random shining moments.

Savage is the Texans’ ideal long-term bet. But once the meaningless exhibitions are over, he’ll again be a third-stringer waiting for a real shot at the Texans' best job.
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http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...-and-Mallett-sputter-Savage-shows-6460319.php
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I wonder if Billy spends time second-guessing himself about his decisions regarding QBs in last years Draft when he had that top pick ?
 
Mr teX said:
Noone really said if in fact there was or wasn't a qb sneak actually called. Everything that i put in that post was said on the field during the game by both guys..more or less anyway...Obrien's part was a little more wordy than what i put.

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I agree with your take, and I don't think it's just WAG.

Mallett made 3 mistakes there and that can't sit too well with the HC.

OB clearly wants Mallett not to run the sneak there.
Even if the OC called for it, OB wanted his QB to ask for confirmation/clarification.

And the false starts play as much of a role as any other play.
They are part of the evaluation process.
QB's mental mistakes are important to note.
 
I am still left wondering how Mallet has not even attempted to throw one longer ball in these two games. It would be against all common sense to think that for whatever reason he was not hamstringed specifically by mandated play calling in order for this to be the case. Seems very strange to me.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I am still left wondering how Mallet has not even attempted to throw one longer ball in these two games. It would be against all common sense to think that for whatever reason he was not hamstringed specifically by mandated play calling in order for this to be the case. Seems very strange to me.
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mallet's hamstringing himself.
 
The most impressive thing I saw related to the QB play was the perfect spiral that Denver backup QB Siemian was throwing, pass after pass.
 
I don't know what all the fuss is about. OB should be very proud to have 2 QBs with game QB ratings of ~75...........while Brady the "standard" of this type of offense just turned in a QB rating of 47.9 to go along with last week's 39.6! :chef:
 
IDEXAN said:
...I wonder if Billy spends time second-guessing himself about his decisions regarding QBs in last years Draft when he had that top pick ?
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Watching the replay of the Vikings game late last night and seeing how good Bridgewater looks, I think the Texans blew it.
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
Watching the replay of the Vikings game late last night and seeing how good Bridgewater looks, I think the Texans blew it.
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Of course they blew it. It's not rocket science Bridgewater was the best in game QB out of that draft. F Pro day practices and stupid qb mental tests.
 
WolverineFan said:
...IMO, Mallett is blowing his chance...he has shown nothing to suggest that he should be the starter...
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I've felt since Mallett was acquired that if he had any potential to be a better-than-average QB, Hoodie wouldn't have let him go. Especially with Brady in his late-30's.
 
Battle between Mallett, Hoyer a dead heat
By Jerome Solomon

August 22, 2015 Updated: August 23, 2015 1:03am


Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer each had a chance Saturday night to show he should be the Texans' starting quarterback.

But after a less-than-thrilling exhibition against the Broncos, the competition to earn the job remains even.

A dead tie.

Emphasis on dead.

The Texans lost to Denver 14-10 at NRG Stadium, but aside from the defense scoring Houston's lone touchdown, the final score is hardly relevant.

With exactly three weeks left before the start of the regular season, the tie atop the quarterback depth chart is the chief concern.

As Yann Martel wrote, a tie is a noose, and inverted though it is, it will hang a man nonetheless if he's not careful.

There is no doubt Bill O'Brien is being careful. Too careful.

The Texans' coach is tipping around this quarterback decision as if he has nitroglycol strapped to his waist.

This might not be a case of study long, study wrong, but one of simply studying too long.

More than half of the offensive starters this season will be new to their spot in the lineup. It can't help them that with only one more real fake game remaining - starters aren't likely to play in the preseason finale - they still don't know who will lead them.

O'Brien has trained the Texans not to respond to questions about the looming decision. But he can't brainwash them into believing either of these guys is a star-level quarterback. Not that he hasn't tried.

After he reviews Saturday night's film, he will say each did some good things and some not-so-good things.

Nothing's changed

The problem is that prior to Saturday, neither had made enough plays to make O'Brien want him as his quarterback. That can't have changed after this performance.

Both looked pretty good against San Francisco. Neither looked particularly good against Denver.

Of course, the Broncos' defense - coordinated by Wade Phillips - is a tad saltier than the mishmash San Francisco unit the Texans saw the previous week.

In the first half versus Denver, the Texans ran 32 plays and totaled 101 yards, compared to 229 yards on 36 plays the week before. (Mallett and Hoyer sat out the third and fourth quarters in both games.)

Mallett, who started and played two possessions Saturday, didn't do anything to lose ground, but he didn't do much to gain any. He completed five of seven passes for 23 yards as the Texans racked up two first downs with him under center.

Hoyer came in and didn't go out of his way to win or lose the job either. He connected on seven of 11 passes for 52 yards, with his longest completion covering 13 yards.

When he didn't get superb protection, Hoyer at times looked like a frightened rookie, going from standing tall in the pocket against the 49ers to folding meekly against the Broncos.

On one sack, he stood still and took a hit from Kayvon Webster as if he were at a tackle-free practice.

That type of slow recognition is supposed to be one of Mallett's deficiencies.

Thoroughbreds? Uh, no

Each of these quarterbacks has weaknesses. Major ones. Obvious ones.

This isn't a race between Secretariat and Man o' War.

The longer O'Brien makes us watch them, the worse they look.

But his expert eye is looking for something not so discernible.

No wonder he spends so much time cussing.

Still, don't read too much into these preseason games. They are just full-priced scrimmages that don't count in the standings.

What happened Saturday night will be long forgotten by the time the Texans take to the field against the Chiefs on Sept. 13.

But thanks to this months-long tie, every wayward throw, every missed read, every el-foldo sack taken by the eventual starter will remind us of the lengthy starting QB "battle."

Then again, the way Mallett and Hoyer led the offense Saturday, would there be much clamor for the No. 2 guy should the starter struggle?

The backup quarterback is far less likely to be the most popular guy in town if everybody knows he isn't any better than the starter.

And right now, they are in a dead heat.

Dead.
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Tolar's Ghost said:
I've felt since Mallett was acquired that if he had any potential to be a better-than-average QB, Hoodie wouldn't have let him go. Especially with Brady in his late-30's.
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And it's been foolishness from the beginning on both sides of the equation. Mallett flat out said he would not re-sign with NE. Even if NE wanted to throw 4x a Garropolo contract at him (which he would be insane to accept) Brady would have outplayed the length of that contract as well. It wasn't an option.
 
Thanks for the background info.

But I'm down on O'B more than Mallett. I don't think he's done enough to address the situation, other than to praise the QBs he has for being "hard workers."
 
Let me remind your guys that it is preseason, I wouldn't read into performance too much in preseason play. We do not know what plays are being called and what limitations are placed on each QB. I believe that Mallet and Hoyer have limitation placed on them and their objectives were to operate within those. There isn't a need to open the flood gates to put everything on film for the upcoming season.

I believe OB needs to just make a decision and just run with it. I am sure he is going to make that decision this week. Look, there is no need to get butt hut about not drafting Bridgewater at this point. I wasn't sold on him enough to trade up for him.
 
corytx8 said:
Let me remind your guys that it is preseason, I wouldn't read into performance too much in preseason play. We do not know what plays are being called and what limitations are placed on each QB. I believe that Mallet and Hoyer have limitation placed on them and their objectives were to operate within those. There isn't a need to open the flood gates to put everything on film for the upcoming season.

I believe OB needs to just make a decision and just run with it. I am sure he is going to make that decision this week. Look, there is no need to get butt hut about not drafting Bridgewater at this point. I wasn't sold on him enough to trade up for him.
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Been convinced of this throughout the last 2 games.
 
corytx8 said:
Let me remind your guys that it is preseason, I wouldn't read into performance too much in preseason play. We do not know what plays are being called and what limitations are placed on each QB. I believe that Mallet and Hoyer have limitation placed on them and their objectives were to operate within those. There isn't a need to open the flood gates to put everything on film for the upcoming season.

I believe OB needs to just make a decision and just run with it. I am sure he is going to make that decision this week. Look, there is no need to get butt hut about not drafting Bridgewater at this point. I wasn't sold on him enough to trade up for him.
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Finally a voice of reason.

The pre-season games are being orchestrated so that OB gets the information he needs to make his decision as to his starting QB come game one. There is no reason to get discombobulated over pre-season.
 
Number19 said:
Finally a voice of reason.

The pre-season games are being orchestrated so that OB gets the information he needs to make his decision as to his starting QB come game one. There is no reason to get discombobulated over pre-season.
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Orchestrated by a three petered chimp with a broke arm.
 
Somebody needs to knock some sense into Brian Hoyer.
Wake the F-up if he wants to man up and win the job!!!!
Maybe Cushing can light him up one time in practice or something.

 
The Texans were likely going to struggle the minute that Mallet and Hoyer became the guys going into this season. Fans might as well prepare themselves for that.

Personally I could be okay with it, if the Texans had zero chances at any QB's that could have been better, but we passed on Blake Bortles and we were nowhere in the Nick Foles negotiations where he was let go for next to nothing. With that being said, OB will get criticisms if these QB's stink again. He has to.
 
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If you're dissatisfied with the Texans' coaching after one season in which OB went 9-7, then you are in for many seasons of being unhappy.
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Why, you predicting many seasons of middle of the pack football?

And I'm not dissatisfied across the board with the coaching but finding a QB has been a clusterf'ck.
 
Texecutioner said:
The Texans were likely going to struggle the minute that Mallet and Hoyer became the guys going into this season. Fans might as well prepare themselves for that.

Personally I could be okay with it, if the Texans had zero chances at any QB's that could have been better, but we passed on Blake Bortles and we were nowhere in the Nick Foles negotiations where he was let go for next to nothing. With that being said, OB will get criticisms if these QB's stink again. He has to.
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And I believe Nick Foles is highly overrated and was product of chip Kelly's system. I think the NFL is going to see that this upcoming season. I also believe we be quite decent with Hoyer or Mallet running the show to. Get off of Bortles jockstrap until he proves something in the NFL....
 
infantrycak said:
Why, you predicting many seasons of middle of the pack football?

And I'm not dissatisfied across the board with the coaching but finding a QB has been a clusterf'ck.
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And finding a QB is not like just showing up at a 7/11 and picking one up for a dollar......... It takes a lot of time and luck to find that special QB. Luck that the Texans just haven't walked into yet...
 
corytx8 said:
And finding a QB is not like just showing up at a 7/11 and picking one up for a dollar......... It takes a lot of time and luck to find that special QB. Luck that the Texans just haven't walked into yet...
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How many years should we give him? Personally I think he should have gotten one of the top five guys in his first draft. He didn't. Ok, fine.

I think he should have one by next season.

When do you think he should pick a qb?
 
corytx8 said:
And I believe Nick Foles is highly overrated and was product of chip Kelly's system. I think the NFL is going to see that this upcoming season.
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Based on what? The fact that he played well? You've got nothing to suggest that this was the case. Either way his history in the NFL thus far trumps anything that any QB on our roster has ever dreamed of doing.

corytx8 said:
I also believe we be quite decent with Hoyer or Mallet running the show to.
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They could possibly be decent, sure. And what does that do for us? Get us another 6-10 wins max? You think we could win a SB with one of these guys? If so, you think we could win with just about anyone every year I"m sure.

corytx8 said:
And finding a QB is not like just showing up at a 7/11 and picking one up for a dollar......... It takes a lot of time and luck to find that special QB. Luck that the Texans just haven't walked into yet...
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How in the hell do you know this?



corytx8 said:
Get off of Bortles jockstrap until he proves something in the NFL....
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Really stupid comment.
 
corytx8 said:
And finding a QB is not like just showing up at a 7/11 and picking one up for a dollar......... It takes a lot of time and luck to find that special QB. Luck that the Texans just haven't walked into yet...
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It's not just who. It's how he is going about the entire process. It sucks.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This would be a little disconcerting to a QB if Braddock was referring to the offense.
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Meh. I don't think a lot of fans realize just how many different packages and sub packages an offense has in its arsenal. The beginning of an exhibition game would seem like a prudent time to be calling for different units to be in and out at a moment's notice to make sure that everyone on the sideline knows their assignments and which groupings they are a part of and whatnot.

Nothing worse than burning a timeout in a real game because we only have 10 guys on the field and some jackass has his face buried in Gatorade when he's supposed to be in the huddle.

Would probably make it hard to properly judge the QB's performance though since you're unlikely to be that over the top with the substitutions in a real game environment.
 
corytx8 said:
And finding a QB is not like just showing up at a 7/11 and picking one up for a dollar......... It takes a lot of time and luck to find that special QB. Luck that the Texans just haven't walked into yet...
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Is it really luck though or just bad timing? What if Andrew Luck was in the draft when we had the first overall pick last year, and didn't fall right into the Colts' lap when they had a rare bad year during Peyton Manning's neck injury?

Although hindsight is 20-20 and we passed on the likes of Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers in past drafts because "David Carr was our guy" at the time just like "Matt Schaub was our guy" when Peyton Manning became a free agent and had some interest in coming to Houston where his father briefly played.

Better yet, what if we had beaten the Saints to the punch and brought in Sean Payton and Drew Brees that same off-season when we brought in Gary Kubiak and Matt Schaub? Would we have won a Super Bowl instead of the New Orleans Saints? The one franchise, which besides the Lions and ours, has had a terrible history of losing football prior to that.

I blame our owner, Bob McNair, just as much as our general managers (Rick Smith and Charley Casserly) for never having an elite quarterback. They're out there we just don't take a gutsy chance. Another Super Bowl winning quarterback, Joe Flacco, I believe we traded that pick to the Ravens although Duane Brown was a pretty good pick. Not to say that Flacco is elite but he's at worse, a franchise quarterback.

But it's alright. According to Bob McNair we don't need a superhero to play quarterback. Just somebody decent enough. We're a proud franchise. We don't need a stinkin' quarterback to win a Lombardi one day. We have J.J. Watt. Go Houston Texans!

One thing is for certain. Many more elite quarterbacks will play in the NFL in the future. He might be in college or high school right now perfecting his craft on the field. Will he be drafted by the Houston Texans is the question?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
How many years should we give him? Personally I think he should have gotten one of the top five guys in his first draft. He didn't. Ok, fine.

I think he should have one by next season.

When do you think he should pick a qb?
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We give OB the time he needs until he shows that he is no longer the coach that can lead this team to the promise land.
 
Texecutioner said:
Based on what? The fact that he played well? You've got nothing to suggest that this was the case. Either way his history in the NFL thus far trumps anything that any QB on our roster has ever dreamed of doing.
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Tex, Foles second second under Chip was medicore at best. Chip was able to make Mark Sanchez look like a decent QB with his system. It would not surprise me if Bradford looks decent with Chip's offense up there in Philly. Chip's offense is designed off the spread and it will make any QB look decent.

Texecutioner said:
They could possibly be decent, sure. And what does that do for us? Get us another 6-10 wins max? You think we could win a SB with one of these guys? If so, you think we could win with just about anyone every year I"m sure.
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We don't know if we can win the SB with one of these guys just like the Pats didn't know they could win with Tom Brady under center when he was a rookie. Who would have thought that Ryan Leaf was going to be a bust coming out of college...... The draft is a gamble. I think there is a 50/50 shot we could win the SB with one of these guys. I am sure those odds will change as the season plays out.

Texecutioner said:
How in the hell do you know this?
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Simple Tex, if finding a good QB was as simple as you make it seems. The Texans, Browns, Raiders, Jax, Tenn, Jets, Bills would have good QBs. Hell, the value of a QB would the same as the value of RBs now. Thats how I know.

Texecutioner said:
Really stupid comment.
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Sorry, but Bortles have yet to proven anything in this league yet....

infantrycak said:
It's not just who. It's how he is going about the entire process. It sucks.
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Hey man, I understand man. I am wanting OB to just make up his mind and move forward. It is what it is though.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
How many years should we give him? Personally I think he should have gotten one of the top five guys in his first draft. He didn't. Ok, fine.

I think he should have one by next season.

When do you think he should pick a qb?
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Pete Carroll didn't draft a top guy in his first three seasons with the Seahawks. They went with Hasselbeck in year one, brought.in Tavaris Jackson as hope against hope in year two, & signed Matt Flynn to a big contract in year three.

He got "lucky" in year three, but his FA plan didn't work out the way he wanted.

I agree with you, & your "pick one" post was spot on. I'm just saying.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Is it really luck though or just bad timing? What if Andrew Luck was in the draft when we had the first overall pick last year, and didn't fall right into the Colts' lap when they had a rare bad year during Peyton Manning's neck injury?

Although hindsight is 20-20 and we passed on the likes of Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers in past drafts because "David Carr was our guy" at the time just like "Matt Schaub was our guy" when Peyton Manning became a free agent and had some interest in coming to Houston where his father briefly played.

Better yet, what if we had beaten the Saints to the punch and brought in Sean Payton and Drew Brees that same off-season when we brought in Gary Kubiak and Matt Schaub? Would we have won a Super Bowl instead of the New Orleans Saints? The one franchise, which besides the Lions and ours, has had a terrible history of losing football prior to that.

I blame our owner, Bob McNair, just as much as our general managers (Rick Smith and Charley Casserly) for never having an elite quarterback. They're out there we just don't take a gutsy chance. Another Super Bowl winning quarterback, Joe Flacco, I believe we traded that pick to the Ravens although Duane Brown was a pretty good pick. Not to say that Flacco is elite but he's at worse, a franchise quarterback.

But it's alright. According to Bob McNair we don't need a superhero to play quarterback. Just somebody decent enough. We're a proud franchise. We don't need a stinkin' quarterback to win a Lombardi one day. We have J.J. Watt. Go Houston Texans!

One thing is for certain. Many more elite quarterbacks will play in the NFL in the future. He might be in college or high school right now perfecting his craft on the field. Will he be drafted by the Houston Texans is the question?
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Good points. I'm right there with you. Deep stuff.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Is it really luck though or just bad timing? What if Andrew Luck was in the draft when we had the first overall pick last year, and didn't fall right into the Colts' lap when they had a rare bad year during Peyton Manning's neck injury?

Although hindsight is 20-20 and we passed on the likes of Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers in past drafts because "David Carr was our guy" at the time just like "Matt Schaub was our guy" when Peyton Manning became a free agent and had some interest in coming to Houston where his father briefly played.

Better yet, what if we had beaten the Saints to the punch and brought in Sean Payton and Drew Brees that same off-season when we brought in Gary Kubiak and Matt Schaub? Would we have won a Super Bowl instead of the New Orleans Saints? The one franchise, which besides the Lions and ours, has had a terrible history of losing football prior to that.

I blame our owner, Bob McNair, just as much as our general managers (Rick Smith and Charley Casserly) for never having an elite quarterback. They're out there we just don't take a gutsy chance. Another Super Bowl winning quarterback, Joe Flacco, I believe we traded that pick to the Ravens although Duane Brown was a pretty good pick. Not to say that Flacco is elite but he's at worse, a franchise quarterback.

But it's alright. According to Bob McNair we don't need a superhero to play quarterback. Just somebody decent enough. We're a proud franchise. We don't need a stinkin' quarterback to win a Lombardi one day. We have J.J. Watt. Go Houston Texans!

One thing is for certain. Many more elite quarterbacks will play in the NFL in the future. He might be in college or high school right now perfecting his craft on the field. Will he be drafted by the Houston Texans is the question?
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You make some really good points, there are a lot of things the Texans could have done differently. You know what? Some of these moves could have back fired also. I think holding on David a year too long was a big mistake this org, I believe not having someone ready behind Schaub was a big mistake too.

We could have signed Drew Brees and his shoulder could have given out on his arm. Joe Flacco could have been a bust just Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers. But hey, we win some and lose some.
 
Texecutioner said:
That does not answer his question at all.
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Sorry, I misunderstood his question. You draft when your guy is there where you want him. I wouldn't draft a QB just to draft one. Putting my GM hat on for last seasons draft with Bortles and Bridgewater. I don't trade up to 31st-32nd spot if I have the 33rd spot. I would have taken Bridgewater at the 33rd spot.
 
corytx8 said:
Sorry, I misunderstood his question. You draft when your guy is there where you want him. I wouldn't draft a QB just to draft one. Putting my GM hat on for last seasons draft with Bortles and Bridgewater. I don't trade up to 31st-32nd spot if I have the 33rd spot. I would have taken Bridgewater at the 33rd spot.
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Or you could have taken either one of them with the first pick of the draft instead of listening to the foolishness that they aren't worth a #1 draft pick, but a lazy Dlineman with bone spurs was. I wasn't high on Bridgewater myself, but a lot of people were highly impressed with him last season. I saw several things in Bortles that indicates to me that he can become a pretty good QB in this league. the SD Chargers have had a horrible time with Rivers the last few months, and he doesn't appear to have wanted to be there long term. The Texans could have been all over that several months ago. Rivers on this roster would arguably make us favorites to win it even over the Colts. I'm not saying we could have gotten him either, but we should have been trying really hard to. We're not going anywhere until we find a franchise QB, and acting like it's just going to fall into your lap is exactly how coaches get fired. There are a number of teams around the league that are still looking for that guy after 10 to 15 years.
 
Agree with the Rivers suggestion. Not sure why we'd inquire about Peyton & Kaepernick, but not Rivers... then again, that was rumored too. Maybe San Diego never "really" considered trading him.
 
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