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There have obviously been replies to some of the above, but let me go ahead and get mine in because we agreed to have this conversation.

Background: I grew up in San Antonio. Moved to Houston in my 30's and raised my kids there before taking this expat assignment. Houston is home, but SA is my hometown and will always be a Spurs fan. Mainly because they do it right. The team is never sacrificed for the individual. Everyone buys into the plan. Bad boys are never sought out. And they have 5 rings to prove it works. All that to say that you and I will always come from the opposite side of this particular topic.

I would never want my team - in this case the Texans - to purposefully seek out a problem individual simply because he is a great footballer player. I also see a very broad line behind an individual who has broken league policy, learned from his mistakes and moved on versus the perpetual offender, the me-first guy, the locker room cancer.

So with all that, let me reply...

Harvin had a return TD in the Super Bowl that the Seahawks won by 35 points. Other than that, he had one catch for 7 yards. He played in one regular season game in November. He was not even active for the NFC Championship Game against the Niners. Was he on the Seahawks team that won a SB? Yes. Did he play in the SB? Yes. Did he significantly contribute in their SB run and win? No.

In 2014 Lynch pleaded guilty to reckless driving, not DWI. Unless there is another DWI conviction I'm not aware of.

Cowboys on the upswing. So the Cowboys go 4 straight years without a winning record and playoff appearances, but have one 12-4 year where they win a WC game and are "up and comers". Yet the Texans did the same thing two years in a row and they can't get their head out of their ass? I am simply not going to entertain using the Cowboys' one season or Jerry Jones as benchmarks in this conversation.

Steve Smith had a JV record. Got himself straightened out and went to college. No record of any legal issues while at Utah. He had two fights with teammates over a 14-year career. He and his wife have set up scholarships at Utah. He goes to Africa for Jesus talks. He is a competitor that plays with a lot of passion and takes everything personally, but I would hardly call him a "bad boy".

The system deemed Ray Lewis not guilty. Regardless of what we may or may not think about the situation, the law spoke. And there was nothing after that incident to ever show that it was a pattern. Not to mention that as I pointed out before, this all happened after he was already on the team.

Jamaal Lewis? Same thing. The context was who was a "bad boy" pre-draft or pre-FE/Trade and the teams pulled the trigger anyways. Lewis got in trouble with the law after he was already on the team.

Browner. You do realize that he is on his third team in three years? Neither the Seahawks or Patriots wanted him after their SB wins. He had 2 INT's and 44 total tackles his last two seasons. He either didn't play, or have a single tackle, in the 2013 Seattle SB run because he has no playoff stats that year. Sounds like a JAG.

Dennard actually did not play in the post-season for the Patriots this last year and only played in 6 games all season. He was waived earlier this month. So this particular "bad boy" did nothing to help the Patriots SB run and they promptly dumped him.

That is three guys on this list that were dropped by their teams because they simply were not producing. Even if you can make the argument that it was the strategy of these teams to seek out the best talent available regardless of character issues, it miserably failed in the case of Harvin, Browner and Dennard.

That is three guys on the list that had troubles after they got in to the league with Lynch, Ray Lewis and Jamaal Lewis.

Steve Smith had a Juvie record, for Christ's sake.

Again, I come back to my premise that there are teams that DO take fliers on bad boys. But there is no team that you can point to that employs a talent over character strategy and show that strategy on a scale of greater than 1 or 2 to work in building significant contributors to a Super Bowl team.

In other words, you are proving that it is the exception and not the rule.

So should the Texans have traded for Harvin? Signed Browner or Dennard when NE cut them? Traded for Lynch when he was benched in Buffalo? Gone after an old Steve Smith last year? You point to these examples, but I would like to honestly know if you would have wanted the Texans to go after these specific players.

Spurs are different, they went foreign around Duncan, although they did add Glenn Robinson (Who bought in) one championship yr. He was considered unruly and selfish at the time.

The reason Harvin didn't play in the NFC championship game is because of catching a TD pass that was badly needed against the Saints in a wildcard game. Downplay his TD in the SB to prove your point, but he did show up big in big games.

Lynch copped a plea on his DWI

Browner signed a 1 yr deal with the Pats because of suspension and helped make a play that won the Pats a SB.

Smith- my point stands, you can downplay his JV record, but he did have 2 assaults as an adult with the Panthers. These weren't regular fights amongst teammates.

Say you're right, why don't the Texans consider these types of players?
 
Spurs are different, they went foreign around Duncan, although they did add Glenn Robinson (Who bought in) one championship yr. He was considered unruly and selfish at the time.

The reason Harvin didn't play in the NFC championship game is because of catching a TD pass that was badly needed against the Saints in a wildcard game. Downplay his TD in the SB to prove your point, but he did show up big in big games.

Lynch copped a plea on his DWI

Browner signed a 1 yr deal with the Pats because of suspension and helped make a play that won the Pats a SB.

Smith- my point stands, you can downplay his JV record, but he did have 2 assaults as an adult with the Panthers. These weren't regular fights amongst teammates.

Say you're right, why don't the Texans consider these types of players?

With Harvin, you use the plural when it should be singular. Including the playoffs, he had 5 receptions that entire season. He had two kickoff returns. Having one be in a SB when his team is already up 22-0 doesn't count as "showing up big in big games". It's called he had one great play all season. And considering the Seahawks shipped him out the next season...

Was Lynch convicted of DWI? Then you are incorrect to insist that he had a DWI.

And the Pats let Browner walk on to his third team in three years, even if he did make ONE play in a SB.

Smith got in a fight in a film room and on a practice field. This wasn't meeting in an alley and going Bloodsport on each other.

So to answer your question:

Harvin - everyone knew he was batsh!t crazy and the cancer that he was on the Vikings. I'm still clueless as to why Seattle went after him, and based on the fact that he played in 8 total games for them, they are probably wondering as well.

Lynch - he was injured in pre-season and was traded 3 games into the season. Not exactly available at the start of the season. By the time he was traded on October 5th, Foster already had 500 yards in 4 games and was establishing himself as the best rusher that year.

Browner - UDFA, via the CFL. Every team gets lucky with finding one of these rare nuts. It wasn't a miss that everyone but Seattle overlooked him, especially considering he is on his third team in three years.

Smith - 35-year old WR that showed a significant drop in production. Who was he going to replace this past year? Nuk or AJ?
 
With Harvin, you use the plural when it should be singular. Including the playoffs, he had 5 receptions that entire season. He had two kickoff returns. Having one be in a SB when his team is already up 22-0 doesn't count as "showing up big in big games". It's called he had one great play all season. And considering the Seahawks shipped him out the next season...

Was Lynch convicted of DWI? Then you are incorrect to insist that he had a DWI.

And the Pats let Browner walk on to his third team in three years, even if he did make ONE play in a SB.

Smith got in a fight in a film room and on a practice field. This wasn't meeting in an alley and going Bloodsport on each other.

So to answer your question:

Harvin - everyone knew he was batsh!t crazy and the cancer that he was on the Vikings. I'm still clueless as to why Seattle went after him, and based on the fact that he played in 8 total games for them, they are probably wondering as well.

Lynch - he was injured in pre-season and was traded 3 games into the season. Not exactly available at the start of the season. By the time he was traded on October 5th, Foster already had 500 yards in 4 games and was establishing himself as the best rusher that year.

Browner - UDFA, via the CFL. Every team gets lucky with finding one of these rare nuts. It wasn't a miss that everyone but Seattle overlooked him, especially considering he is on his third team in three years.

Smith - 35-year old WR that showed a significant drop in production. Who was he going to replace this past year? Nuk or AJ?

Again if these guys aren't problem children who can help a team get to the SB, why aren't the Texans trying to sign players like this?

You know what these players and the Texans org didn't have in common last yr?

Playing in the playoffs/SB's (Excluding Harvin.) That's why especially since you pointed out that these guys aren't problem children that the Texans should be doing everything humanly possible to sign these type of players.

Are you in agreement?
 
Again if these guys aren't problem children who can help a team get to the SB, why aren't the Texans trying to sign players like this?

You know what these players and the Texans org didn't have in common last yr?

Playing in the playoffs/SB's (Excluding Harvin.) That's why especially since you pointed out that these guys aren't problem children that the Texans should be doing everything humanly possible to sign these type of players.

Are you in agreement?

I am in agreement that the Texans should be signing players that aren't problem children.

To use your logic though, you would have to question why the Texans didn't draft/sign ANY player that is on ANY Super Bowl team.

Because the point I am trying to make is: while these players were on SB teams, NONE of them were a critical, integral part of what got their teams to the Super Bowl except for Lynch. They were cogs, and cogs can be bad boys or choir boys. You take a bad boy because they are special. There is nothing - NOTHING - special about any of these guys except Lynch. And the Texans seem to have that position addressed.
 
I am in agreement that the Texans should be signing players that aren't problem children.

To use your logic though, you would have to question why the Texans didn't draft/sign ANY player that is on ANY Super Bowl team.

Because the point I am trying to make is: while these players were on SB teams, NONE of them were a critical, integral part of what got their teams to the Super Bowl except for Lynch. They were cogs, and cogs can be bad boys or choir boys. You take a bad boy because they are special. There is nothing - NOTHING - special about any of these guys except Lynch. And the Texans seem to have that position addressed.

I would say the Smith's and Browner were intregal parts of their teams. Leading WR/CB and Browner was a starter on 2 SB winners. I think you're underestimating their values. The Saints did sign Browner to a nice contract this offseason. They must feel differently about Browner than you do.
 
I would say the Smith's and Browner were intregal parts of their teams. Leading WR/CB and Browner was a starter on 2 SB winners. I think you're underestimating their values. The Saints did sign Browner to a nice contract this offseason. They must feel differently about Browner than you do.

Browner is on a low end CB contract at $5 mil. His Saints contract is actually cheaper than his Pats contract that they decided he wasn't worth paying for more than 1 year. Browner did not play in the 2013 playoffs at all much less as a starter. We don't know the Texans didn't consider him either last year or this but it would have been as a 3rd CB. Certainly not a great player to point to and say the Texans would be better if only they had him.
 
I would say the Smith's and Browner were intregal parts of their teams. Leading WR/CB and Browner was a starter on 2 SB winners. I think you're underestimating their values. The Saints did sign Browner to a nice contract this offseason. They must feel differently about Browner than you do.

We've already established that Jimmy Smith was a bad boy. I've never stated that high risk players don't ever work out. But we are back to the exception and not the rule/strategy.

What Super Bowl team was Steve Smith an integral part of again? And who was he going to replace on the Texans? Nuk or AJ?

And iCal already covered Browner.
 
We've already established that Jimmy Smith was a bad boy. I've never stated that high risk players don't ever work out. But we are back to the exception and not the rule/strategy.

What Super Bowl team was Steve Smith an integral part of again? And who was he going to replace on the Texans? Nuk or AJ?

And iCal already covered Browner.

Smith was real close to beating the Pats last yr. He did play in a SB with the Panthers. He could've been a huge upgrade over D.Johnson and provided much needed speed to the WR corps.

Y'all are underrating Browner. IMHO
 
Add to the list of Texans with prior troubles - Arian Foster who was busted for underage drinking and a fight in a nightclub.
 
Smith was real close to beating the Pats last yr. He did play in a SB with the Panthers. He could've been a huge upgrade over D.Johnson and provided much needed speed to the WR corps.



Y'all are underrating Browner. IMHO


What does Steve Smith's contract look like? I suspect he would have been too expensive to put beside AJ's contract last year.
 
Smith was real close to beating the Pats last yr. He did play in a SB with the Panthers. He could've been a huge upgrade over D.Johnson and provided much needed speed to the WR corps.

Y'all are underrating Browner. IMHO


He ran a 4.41 14 years ago... you think he's still that fast? Why is his 4.4 faster than Strong's 4.4?
 
Smith was real close to beating the Pats last yr. He did play in a SB with the Panthers. He could've been a huge upgrade over D.Johnson and provided much needed speed to the WR corps.

Y'all are underrating Browner. IMHO

Steve Smith went to a SB with the Panthers 11 years ago!

And he caught 3 passes for 44 yards against the Pats. HE wasn't real close to beating anyone in that game.

He also had almost the exact same targets and receptions as AJ. There is no way, just like AJ, that he was going to accept a DJ role on the Texans. It is unrealistic to think that he would have ever chosen to play here, and that he, Nuk and AJ all would have had 70-80 receptions.

As far as Browner goes, apparently Seattle and New England underrate him as well. I'll trust that the last two SB winners saw something they didn't want in the dude.
 
Smith was real close to beating the Pats last yr. He did play in a SB with the Panthers. He could've been a huge upgrade over D.Johnson and provided much needed speed to the WR corps.

Y'all are underrating Browner. IMHO

I will go on record and say that Smith is a great receiver and would have been a valuable asset to the Texans... had they needed a WR1/WR2 at the start of the 2014 season. AJ was coming off of another career year, Nuk had a great rookie season and much was expected of him. There was not a place for him on this team.

Part of my job is to counsel on career development. I always tell people that your career is made up of your availability and the company opportunity. But the two don't always align.

Do I think that the Texans would have gone after Steve Smith? Yes, if they would have had a need for a WR1/WR2 130-Target kind of guy. That isn't what they needed at the time. Smith had availability, but the Texans did not have the opportunity. Simple as that.
 
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Chandler Worthy, WR, Troy

Height: 5077
Weight: 176 lbs

At his campus Pro Day workout, he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.34 seconds, had a 39 1/2 inch vertical leap, an 11-5 broad jump, bench pressed 225 pounds 17 time and had a 4.00 short shuttle.
 
“As soon as the draft ended, the (Houston) Texans called with a priority free agent offer,” Worthy told the Dothan Eagle Sunday. “They called me within five minutes.”

It was an offer Worthy could not refuse as he signed the free agent deal.
Worthy – who said he fielded plenty of calls from teams in the late rounds of the draft -- will not have time to savor the moment of signing an NFL contract, though. He will report to Houston Thursday to begin learning Texans coach Bill O’Brien’s offense.

“I’ve been talking with the Texans this whole semester. They think I’ll fit into the mold of their offense well,” Worthy said.

Worthy, who finished his Troy career with 136 receptions for 1,762 yards and 11 touchdowns, will be making a bit of a position switch for Houston.

Last year, he led the Trojans with 44 receptions as an outside receiver but projects to be a slot receiver for Houston. Worthy played some inside receiver for Troy before his senior season.

“I’m really good at inside wide receiver,” he said. “I’ll have linebackers guarding me, and I think I’m quicker and faster and can get to the outside.”

Worthy’s best time in the 40-yard dash at Troy’s Pro Day was 4.34 seconds. Conditions were misty and foggy, though, so the number potentially could have been lower.

Worthy, though, may make the earliest impact on special teams.

He became one of just a handful of NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision athletes ever to return a kickoff for a touchdown in back-to-back games last year. He pulled the feat against New Mexico State (89-yard return) and Appalachian State (99-yard return) last year.

Worthy finished his Troy career with 81 kickoff returns for 1,919 yards (23.7 yards per return) and those two touchdowns. His numbers would have been better if not for a lingering quadriceps injury that limited his junior campaign to just seven kickoff returns for 145 yards.

“I feel like I can come in and make an impact immediately (on special teams),” Worthy said. “I can do that while learning and working my way into the offense.”

Since the conclusion of Troy’s 2014 season, Worthy has not only been working to improve his physical performance but also his mental preparation. He said he talked to several people who have made the NFL before – including former Trojans Eric Thomas and Jerrel Jernigan.

“All of those guys gave me the same advice – just to keep working. Don’t feel like you’ve ever made it,” he said. “There’s always someone trying to take your place. Don’t take it for granted.”
http://www.dothaneagle.com/sports/t...cle_9ccfedcc-f205-11e4-82e5-0709e4d24ac9.html
 
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Tony Washington, OLB, Oregon, 6-foot-4, 247 pounds

STRENGTHS: Flexible body type with natural bend and length - at his best when he uses his arm extension to keep himself clean off the edge, allowing him to work around blockers in space...speedy in pursuit with fluid ankles to flatten and break down in small spaces...comfortable on his feet with the lateral movements to cover a large area - looks natural flipping his hips and dropping in coverage... executes assignments with cat-like quickness.

Uses his length well to wrap, leading with his face and bringing his feet...knack for poking the ball out with seven forced fumbles the last two seasons... versatile experience in two and three point stance, wearing several hats in Oregon's defense - consistent production as a starter...self-motivated and accountable who won't shrink in crunch time.

WEAKNESSES: Lean-muscled with questionable core strength and upper and lower body growth potential concerns...average functional power, too often controlled by single blockers once they latch on and can be stiff-armed by ballcarriers...needs to better trust his eyes and flow quicker to the ball - instincts are still undeveloped...needs to improve his anticipation to better leverage blocks.

Pass rush sequence needs help as he struggles to adjust mid-move, recognizing what blockers are doing, but not always reacting with effective secondary moves...needs to play smarter and eliminate unnecessary post-play activities.

IN OUR VIEW: Playing the Dion Jordan role for the Ducks, Washington lined up over the slot, off the edge and various other positions to utilize his lanky athleticism. He doesn't look out of place in space with the balanced coordination to transition and be versatile, showing the closing burst to be an effective finisher. Washington is an intriguing athlete, but not much more at this point and needs strength and technique work before he's ready for consistent NFL snaps. Nonetheless, he has the tools attractive for a NFL front seven, fitting best as a stand-up outside linebacker who can cash his checks based on special teams play.--Dane Brugler

PLAYER OVERVIEW
A three-star defensive end recruit out of high school, Washington received a handful of Pac-12 scholarship offers, committing to Oregon and redshirting in 2010. He was a reserve redshirt freshman in 2011 before earning a few starts in 2012 as a sophomore defensive end, recording 20 total tackles.

Washington replaced Dion Jordan as the starting outside linebacker in 2013 and led the Ducks in tackles for loss (12.0), sacks (7.5) and forced fumbles (four), earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors. He again started every game in 2014 as a senior, finishing second on the team in tackles for loss (11.5) and sacks (6.0), leading the team in forced fumbles (three) and fumble recoveries (three), but didn't win All-Conference honors. Washington earned an invitation to the 2015 East-West Shrine Game.
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ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS
Has experience as a 3-4 OLB and defensive end. Can bend, dip and rip at top of his rush to turn the corner. Still growing into his frame. Flashes NFL edge-setting potential. Plays with good bend and arm extension at point of attack. Wraps up his targets and ends the play as a tackler.

WEAKNESSES
Snap-and-go pass rusher with no real plan of attack. Limited counter moves, relying on athleticism over skill. Has small hands and doesn't win with them enough. Needs to improve play strength. Can be mismatched in man coverage. Doesn't always seize opportunities to turn the corner as a rusher and will take wide angles to the quarterback. Instincts aren't there yet.

BOTTOM LINE
Washington's lower body could use more bulk, but as a 3-4 OLB, he has enough play strength. He's technically proficient against the run on the edge and should continue to improve as a pass rusher with more work in that area during camps. Washington lacks dynamic qualities against the run or pass, but should be able to get into a camp.--Lance Zierlein
 
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Tony Washington, OLB, Oregon, 6-foot-4, 247 pounds

STRENGTHS: Flexible body type with natural bend and length - at his best when he uses his arm extension to keep himself clean off the edge, allowing him to work around blockers in space...speedy in pursuit with fluid ankles to flatten and break down in small spaces...comfortable on his feet with the lateral movements to cover a large area - looks natural flipping his hips and dropping in coverage... executes assignments with cat-like quickness.

Uses his length well to wrap, leading with his face and bringing his feet...knack for poking the ball out with seven forced fumbles the last two seasons... versatile experience in two and three point stance, wearing several hats in Oregon's defense - consistent production as a starter...self-motivated and accountable who won't shrink in crunch time.

WEAKNESSES: Lean-muscled with questionable core strength and upper and lower body growth potential concerns...average functional power, too often controlled by single blockers once they latch on and can be stiff-armed by ballcarriers...needs to better trust his eyes and flow quicker to the ball - instincts are still undeveloped...needs to improve his anticipation to better leverage blocks.

Pass rush sequence needs help as he struggles to adjust mid-move, recognizing what blockers are doing, but not always reacting with effective secondary moves...needs to play smarter and eliminate unnecessary post-play activities.

IN OUR VIEW: Playing the Dion Jordan role for the Ducks, Washington lined up over the slot, off the edge and various other positions to utilize his lanky athleticism. He doesn't look out of place in space with the balanced coordination to transition and be versatile, showing the closing burst to be an effective finisher. Washington is an intriguing athlete, but not much more at this point and needs strength and technique work before he's ready for consistent NFL snaps. Nonetheless, he has the tools attractive for a NFL front seven, fitting best as a stand-up outside linebacker who can cash his checks based on special teams play.--Dane Brugler

PLAYER OVERVIEW
A three-star defensive end recruit out of high school, Washington received a handful of Pac-12 scholarship offers, committing to Oregon and redshirting in 2010. He was a reserve redshirt freshman in 2011 before earning a few starts in 2012 as a sophomore defensive end, recording 20 total tackles.

Washington replaced Dion Jordan as the starting outside linebacker in 2013 and led the Ducks in tackles for loss (12.0), sacks (7.5) and forced fumbles (four), earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors. He again started every game in 2014 as a senior, finishing second on the team in tackles for loss (11.5) and sacks (6.0), leading the team in forced fumbles (three) and fumble recoveries (three), but didn't win All-Conference honors. Washington earned an invitation to the 2015 East-West Shrine Game.
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ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS
Has experience as a 3-4 OLB and defensive end. Can bend, dip and rip at top of his rush to turn the corner. Still growing into his frame. Flashes NFL edge-setting potential. Plays with good bend and arm extension at point of attack. Wraps up his targets and ends the play as a tackler.

WEAKNESSES
Snap-and-go pass rusher with no real plan of attack. Limited counter moves, relying on athleticism over skill. Has small hands and doesn't win with them enough. Needs to improve play strength. Can be mismatched in man coverage. Doesn't always seize opportunities to turn the corner as a rusher and will take wide angles to the quarterback. Instincts aren't there yet.

BOTTOM LINE
Washington's lower body could use more bulk, but as a 3-4 OLB, he has enough play strength. He's technically proficient against the run on the edge and should continue to improve as a pass rusher with more work in that area during camps. Washington lacks dynamic qualities against the run or pass, but should be able to get into a camp.--Lance Zierlein
He has been allowed to just use athleticism and IMO coaching will develop him into a good NFL player. When I watched him this last season he seemed to disappear but when I focused on just him, he seemed a bit lost. He has the "want to" and as Z said could do okay. I see him as more of a Brooks Reed and Trail as a Clowney type with much less quick
 
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THE SKY IS THE LIMIT FOR THE TEXANS' LYNDEN TRAIL

Bill O’Brien has made it clear that it does not matter where you were selected in the draft or how you made it to the Houston Texans. All that matters in O’Brien’s evaluation process is what his players do when they get in the building.

Lynden Trail is in that boat of proving he belongs with the Texans and that is just what the outside linebacker has set out to do.

Signed out of Norfolk State, Trail was a intriguing player coming out of college and his raw potential caught the eyes of NFL Scouts at the Senior Bowl. Considered a defensive edge player and possible tight end prospect, the Texans have put the 6'7", 269 lb. Trail at outside linebacker and the early results have been positive.

“I am just blessed to be here in the first place,” said Trial on being signed by the Texans. “I am trying to make the most of every opportunity, and I am just thankful they have given me the opportunity.”

The opportunity has led him to work under one of the best in Mike Vrabel and, as Trail put it, there has been emphasis on him using his feet to improve his technique. He feels that Vrabel has a knack for turning nothing into something and the rookie has been all ears during meetings and on the field.

In addition to learning from Vrabel, Trail has been depending on Whitney Mercilus and John Simon to show him the way of the NFL and he looks to them as examples of how to play the position.

“I stand behind them when they are going through the plays,” Trail explained. “I look at what they take advantage of, what they do, what their routine is. I try and mimic them, you mimic the people who are successful”

Trail continued, “The veterans are the guys you can look up to as guys you can follow.”

O’Brien talked about Trail and what he has shown during the offseason practice sessions.

"You can see the length, he’s got good height, he’s got the ability to block passes, he’s got the reach to potentially set the edge,” O’Brien said of Trail. “But again, the test for those guys, the rookies at any position but especially at linebacker is what they do when the pads go on.”

The real test will start at the end of July when training camp arrives, but it is clear that Trail has a chance to make a big impression when that time arrives.

Football players like Trail, with his size, length and speed, do not come around often. Trail realizes that the real test to prove he belongs is still yet to come.

“My dream isn’t officially realized just yet. My thing is, you just have to keep pushing and keep working hard to get where you want in life. Nothing is going to be handed to you.”​
 
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Trail has intrigued me for a year..just a great physical talent. I see him on final roster but Tony Washington on PS.
 
Alex Byington @abyingtonTD

Breaking: Former Alabama & Houston Texans DL Brandon Ivory arrested on first degree burglary charge by TPD. http://t.co/t9pX2YhlQM

Soon to be ex-Texan.


Former University of Alabama football player Brandon Ivory was charged in connection with a violent burglary on Wednesday morning.

Police say that Ivory, 23, and Nicholas Gerald Gibson III, 21, kicked in the back door of a home off Veterans Memorial Parkway at 8 a.m. The residents told police that one suspect was armed with an assault rifle and the other was armed with a knife, said Tuscaloosa Police spokesman Sgt. Brent Blankley.

The suspects assaulted one of the residents before stealing cash and two Apple iPads, he said.

Officers received information that led them to Ivory and Gibson.

Both were arrested at their residence at University Village on 31st Street Wednesday. They were each charged with first-degree burglary and held with bond set at $120,000.

Ivory, a defensive tackle from Memphis, played for UA between 2010 and 2014. He was signed as a free agent with the NFL's Houston Texans in May.

PDS @PatDStat

This is the first arrest of a #Texans player (that is known) since 2009.​

The Texans issued a statement – “The Houston Texans are aware of the police report regarding DT Brandon Ivory in Tuscaloosa, Ala. At this time, we will have no further comment until we gather all of the relevant facts.”

Ivory's attorney says he is innocent.
 
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Slow news day, so I thought I'd post this. http://Texans don’t dump Brandon Ivory, yet.
I don't know a thing about this kid, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out, considering the Texans squeaky clean image.

http://Texans rookie Brandon Ivory arrested on first degree burglary charges

This is how to not make a good impression in the month off before training camp.

Via Tania Ganguli of ESPN.com, Texans rookie defensive lineman Brandon Ivory was arrested on first degree burglary charges.

Ivory, who went to Alabama, was arrested in Tuscaloosa this morning. According to the police report, he and another man broke into a residence by kicking in the back door, one carrying an assault rife. After assaulting one person, they took cash and two iPads before fleeing in a 2003 Toyota Corolla.

He was signed as an undrafted rookie this year.

And because he occupies one of the lowest rungs on the organizational ladder, it’s easy to imagine his stint with the team might not be a long one.
 
Slow news day, so I thought I'd post this. http://Texans don’t dump Brandon Ivory, yet.
I don't know a thing about this kid, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out, considering the Texans squeaky clean image.

http://Texans rookie Brandon Ivory arrested on first degree burglary charges

This is how to not make a good impression in the month off before training camp.

Via Tania Ganguli of ESPN.com, Texans rookie defensive lineman Brandon Ivory was arrested on first degree burglary charges.

Ivory, who went to Alabama, was arrested in Tuscaloosa this morning. According to the police report, he and another man broke into a residence by kicking in the back door, one carrying an assault rife. After assaulting one person, they took cash and two iPads before fleeing in a 2003 Toyota Corolla.

He was signed as an undrafted rookie this year.

And because he occupies one of the lowest rungs on the organizational ladder, it’s easy to imagine his stint with the team might not be a long one.
I was not a fan of his during his college play & was surprised he was signed.
 
Interesting to note that Saban suspended him last year..............coincidentally just before Alabama's TC...........for "violation of team rules" which was never characterized.......but one of his team mates at the very same time was suspended for the same reason, explained by a DUI.:choke:
 
While he might be totally innocent, his days as a Texan are unofficially over. He now has too much baggage for an UFA Rookie who was likely to be cut anyway. Officially, they'll probably wait for the first cut date or additional cause information like arraignment which will restrict his availability during the process, innocent or not.

No more 69.
 
One guy had a gun, one guy assaulted someone. They both get first degree burglary, minimum 10 years in Alabama if it's their first offense. Brilliant.

Wondering why this was not classified a first degree ROBBERY:

A robbery charge is elevated to first degree robbery when the victim or someone else not involved in the crime is seriously injured. First degree robbery may also take place if the perpetrator is armed with a deadly weapon and threatens to use it against the victim.

Found this also:

What is the sentence for robbery first degree in alabama? is probation possible?
Person had someone to enter a private residence, rob them at gunpoint. Gun was held to head but no physical injury was done. Stole vehicle and drove it about two blocks down the street and abandoned it. This person was waiting in another car for the robbery to take place. Arrested and bail was set for $75,000.

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Under the scenario you described the minimum punishment would be 20 years.
This is because Robbery I is a class A felony punishable by a sentence of 10 years to life. However, there is an enhancement due to the use of a firearm, making the minimum sentence 20 years and the maximum punishment life in prison.

Traditionally, Alabama law prohibited probation for anyone sentenced to more than 15 years. However, since the Soles decision there is the possibility for probation on a 20 year sentence, but not on any sentence over 20. It is extremely rare however.
 
Now this is the kind of nasty mindset we need in the trenches. This guy is willing to hurt people to get what he wants. He'll lay it all on the line. Just the kind of guy we've been missing, right steelb?

If he'd done this a couple of months ago he'd be on the Seahawks or Patriots already...
 
Glad to see Houston wait for more details vs. the straight up release. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he was released today.
 
Now this is the kind of nasty mindset we need in the trenches. This guy is willing to hurt people to get what he wants. He'll lay it all on the line. Just the kind of guy we've been missing, right steelb?

If he'd done this a couple of months ago he'd be on the Seahawks or Patriots already...


LOL
 
You ask a very pertinent question. The crime appears to reflect a robbery more so than burglary. This does a good job of explaining the difference.
It appears that while the intent may have been to burglarize, the result was robbery along with the appropriate charge(s) for using the weapon. I suspect the charges are in flux. Perhaps the charge given has the lowest standard needed to hold the suspects while they investigate?
 
Looks like he might have left as a DE...........and came back as an LB.....or TE....:)
No we do not need defensive ends playing TE..signed JJ Watt

Seriously, I had mocked him to Houston at one point thinking he will clog passing lanes with his reach and vert.

STRENGTHS
Long, athletic frame. Used as 3-4 OLB, but also spent time with hand in the dirt. Bender with ability to get low on short yardage and near goal line when on line of scrimmage. Drops smoothly into space when asked to zone up and has range to cover. Initial quickness off snap. Improved hand usage and overall technique as pass rusher during season. Accelerates to chase down runner in back-side pursuit. Just now grasping advantages of his length. Has bend and foot drive to control line of scrimmage vs. run with more coaching. Uses length well with 18 deflections over last three years. Has length and versatility to become imposing player with more experience, coaching and toughness. Was given reps as a tight end during the Thursday practice session at the Senior Bowl, and looked relatively comfortable as a pass catcher in the red zone.
 

Interesting story behind this young man.

Beyond the Game: Terrence Franks
September 24, 2014 - 4:20pm
Terrence Franks, senior running back, has seen it all.

In the five years he has been at Texas State, the coaching staff changed several times, the team shifted conferences twice and the depth chart fluctuated.

“Terrence has been a great young man to coach,” Coach Dennis Franchione said. “Terrence is a great person, a really tough kid and a very resilient kid that is mentally tough.”

Franks was recruited out of Angleton High School just outside of the Houston area. Coach Brad Wright and recruiting coordinator Charlie Reeve brought him into the football program.

Coach Brad Wright was fired in 2010 after he finished 23-23 in four seasons. The Bobcats hired Franchione to replace Wright, who was signed to a three-year contract extension in 2010. Texas State relocated to the Western Athletic Conference in 2011

“Coming in as a freshman, it was really crazy,” Franks said. “It was tough transitioning to a new coach and a new playbook. It was also tough adapting to a new running backs coach.”

Franks had received one scholarship offer out of high school for a full ride to play football. It was from Texas State.

Franks’ father, Clem, won three conference championships during his tenure with Texas A&M-Kingsville as a running back and tight end.

“He wanted to play football, and he got one offer,” Clem said. “It was exciting because he was attending school on a full ride, and education is important in our family.”

Terrence went through three running back coaches in his first three years as a collegiate athlete, including Reeve, who recruited him. Terrence thought about transferring due to the number of external changes in the program before his brother, Michael, reassured him.

“It was hard for him,” Michael said. “He wanted to transfer, but I told to stick with it and stay positive and ‘God has a plan for you.’”

The boys’ father expressed sympathy for Terrence.

“He wanted to be closer to home,” Clem said. “The system changes were tough, and he had to face some adversity during that period.”

Terrence redshirted his first year, giving him more time to make adjustments necessary for university-level offense and collegiate life.

“That was a big step in my life as a young teen,” Terrence said. “There were times when I thought I wasn’t going to make it through this type of football, but my family kept me motivated to stay here.”

Clem competed in the Dallas Cowboys training camp in 1978 after college, where he was pitted against other NFL fringe talents. His training camp stint ended when he injured his toe.

“From my experience being an undrafted free agent, I tell Terrance to just keep working hard,” Clem said. “If you keep working and believing in Christ, good things will happen for you.”

Terrence is in the last year of collegiate eligibility. The Angleton native has 871 total yards over his past three years with Texas State.

“He is certainly fast enough,” Franchione said. “He ran a 4.3 for us. He has good speed. We are trying to teach him to be a one-cut runner because when he takes too many steps, it slows him down too much.”

Based on the changes throughout his tenure at Texas State, Terrence is confident about his professional prospects.

“I think I have a shot,” Terrence said. “I just keep working hard every day in practice and for games to show scouts and coaches that I am good enough to play at the next level.”


Fast with little tread on the tires........and with some interesting stats overall, but especially in 2014 (the year after this article was written). The Rams had a crowded RB field and evidently there was no room for Franks this year.
 
Not much information on him. He's small - 5'-9" / 209 lbs. Didn't miss a game in four seasons, but the stats suggest he may not have been in full health. When he played, he seems to have been productive, but most games he was used sparingly.

His best season rushing was his freshman year when he had 863 yds in 146 attemps for a 5.9 avg. He only had 64 attempts his soph year and 42 attempts his jr year. His sr year he had 712 yds in 107 attemps for a 6.6 avg, but this was skewed by a big game he had against Idaho, gaining 284 yds on 15 attemps.

Out of 12 games his sr yr, he only had 5 games with 10 or more carries. Excluding the big game against Idaho, in the other 4 games he had 282 yds with 51 carries for a 5.5 avg. In the 7 games he was used more sparingly, he had 146 yds on 41 carries for an avg of 3.6 yds.

As a receiver, he had less than one reception per game over four years, but had a decent avg of 13 yds per reception.

He did not have a fumbling problem - 3 fumbles for his 4 seasons.

He was used sparingly as a returner - only one punt return for 29 yds in 4 years and 9 KO returns for an average of 18 yds per return.

Doc posted his find before I finished this. May explain a few things that the stats suggest.
 
Not much information on him. He's small - 5'-9" / 209 lbs. Didn't miss a game in four seasons, but the stats suggest he may not have been in full health. When he played, he seems to have been productive, but most games he was used sparingly.

His best season rushing was his freshman year when he had 863 yds in 146 attemps for a 5.9 avg. He only had 64 attempts his soph year and 42 attempts his jr year. His sr year he had 712 yds in 107 attemps for a 6.6 avg, but this was skewed by a big game he had against Idaho, gaining 284 yds on 15 attemps.

Out of 12 games his sr yr, he only had 5 games with 10 or more carries. Excluding the big game against Idaho, in the other 4 games he had 282 yds with 51 carries for a 5.5 avg. In the 7 games he was used more sparingly, he had 146 yds on 41 carries for an avg of 3.6 yds.

As a receiver, he had less than one reception per game over four years, but had a decent avg of 13 yds per reception.

He did not have a fumbling problem - 3 fumbles for his 4 seasons.

He was used sparingly as a returner - only one punt return for 29 yds in 4 years and 9 KO returns for an average of 18 yds per return.

Doc posted his find before I finished this. May explain a few things that the stats suggest.

I meant to include a link to his stats in my last post: http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/terrence-franks-player
 
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