There have obviously been replies to some of the above, but let me go ahead and get mine in because we agreed to have this conversation.
Background: I grew up in San Antonio. Moved to Houston in my 30's and raised my kids there before taking this expat assignment. Houston is home, but SA is my hometown and will always be a Spurs fan. Mainly because they do it right. The team is never sacrificed for the individual. Everyone buys into the plan. Bad boys are never sought out. And they have 5 rings to prove it works. All that to say that you and I will always come from the opposite side of this particular topic.
I would never want my team - in this case the Texans - to purposefully seek out a problem individual simply because he is a great footballer player. I also see a very broad line behind an individual who has broken league policy, learned from his mistakes and moved on versus the perpetual offender, the me-first guy, the locker room cancer.
So with all that, let me reply...
Harvin had a return TD in the Super Bowl that the Seahawks won by 35 points. Other than that, he had one catch for 7 yards. He played in one regular season game in November. He was not even active for the NFC Championship Game against the Niners. Was he on the Seahawks team that won a SB? Yes. Did he play in the SB? Yes. Did he significantly contribute in their SB run and win? No.
In 2014 Lynch pleaded guilty to reckless driving, not DWI. Unless there is another DWI conviction I'm not aware of.
Cowboys on the upswing. So the Cowboys go 4 straight years without a winning record and playoff appearances, but have one 12-4 year where they win a WC game and are "up and comers". Yet the Texans did the same thing two years in a row and they can't get their head out of their ass? I am simply not going to entertain using the Cowboys' one season or Jerry Jones as benchmarks in this conversation.
Steve Smith had a JV record. Got himself straightened out and went to college. No record of any legal issues while at Utah. He had two fights with teammates over a 14-year career. He and his wife have set up scholarships at Utah. He goes to Africa for Jesus talks. He is a competitor that plays with a lot of passion and takes everything personally, but I would hardly call him a "bad boy".
The system deemed Ray Lewis not guilty. Regardless of what we may or may not think about the situation, the law spoke. And there was nothing after that incident to ever show that it was a pattern. Not to mention that as I pointed out before, this all happened after he was already on the team.
Jamaal Lewis? Same thing. The context was who was a "bad boy" pre-draft or pre-FE/Trade and the teams pulled the trigger anyways. Lewis got in trouble with the law after he was already on the team.
Browner. You do realize that he is on his third team in three years? Neither the Seahawks or Patriots wanted him after their SB wins. He had 2 INT's and 44 total tackles his last two seasons. He either didn't play, or have a single tackle, in the 2013 Seattle SB run because he has no playoff stats that year. Sounds like a JAG.
Dennard actually did not play in the post-season for the Patriots this last year and only played in 6 games all season. He was waived earlier this month. So this particular "bad boy" did nothing to help the Patriots SB run and they promptly dumped him.
That is three guys on this list that were dropped by their teams because they simply were not producing. Even if you can make the argument that it was the strategy of these teams to seek out the best talent available regardless of character issues, it miserably failed in the case of Harvin, Browner and Dennard.
That is three guys on the list that had troubles after they got in to the league with Lynch, Ray Lewis and Jamaal Lewis.
Steve Smith had a Juvie record, for Christ's sake.
Again, I come back to my premise that there are teams that DO take fliers on bad boys. But there is no team that you can point to that employs a talent over character strategy and show that strategy on a scale of greater than 1 or 2 to work in building significant contributors to a Super Bowl team.
In other words, you are proving that it is the exception and not the rule.
So should the Texans have traded for Harvin? Signed Browner or Dennard when NE cut them? Traded for Lynch when he was benched in Buffalo? Gone after an old Steve Smith last year? You point to these examples, but I would like to honestly know if you would have wanted the Texans to go after these specific players.
Spurs are different, they went foreign around Duncan, although they did add Glenn Robinson (Who bought in) one championship yr. He was considered unruly and selfish at the time.
The reason Harvin didn't play in the NFC championship game is because of catching a TD pass that was badly needed against the Saints in a wildcard game. Downplay his TD in the SB to prove your point, but he did show up big in big games.
Lynch copped a plea on his DWI
Browner signed a 1 yr deal with the Pats because of suspension and helped make a play that won the Pats a SB.
Smith- my point stands, you can downplay his JV record, but he did have 2 assaults as an adult with the Panthers. These weren't regular fights amongst teammates.
Say you're right, why don't the Texans consider these types of players?