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I get your point to a degree, but some acceptable range has to exist. What if someone wants to play with a completely deflated ball? If there are no restrictions, that's a possibility. And if you're going to impose restrictions to avoid that ridiculous scenario, what's wrong with the current restrictions?

Okay, make it a range of 8 psi to 15 psi (or whatever, just grabbing a wide range to illustrate the idea).

My main point is that the figures are arbitrary and should be subject to change. The football itself has changed over the years. They certainly do not play with the original football:

[IMGwidthsize=400]http://www.gophersport.com/files/image/general/LARGE/FB_Football.jpg[/IMG]

As far as "wrong" on current restrictions, that's purely subjective. However, there have been on-going modifications to some fundamental aspects of the game - things a lot more crucial than mere psi - in order to advance the offensive side to make the product more exciting for fans. We are seeing it in coverage to blocking techniques to protection of offensive players in a variety of ways. I do not think allowing a psi change is going to alter the nature of the game like many of these other changes have over the past decade.

Not picking on you paycheck, but there seems to be a general lack of understanding of the history of football. A little over a hundred years ago the game was almost banned entirely, and then everyone screamed because Teddy Roosevelt led the charge to introduce some safety measures and allow the forward pass. What I am talking about - psi - is a blip on the radar of the huge evolution of the sport in the past century.

I wonder if our QBs would be any better with a flat piece of leather rather than a real football.

Maybe they could flatten it into a disc and it becomes a game of Ultimate Frisbee!
 
A.J Feely doesn't remember it that way:



Link



One of several similar sources I've come across explaining the different story:

Qbs Get On The Ball, Reach Goal

Brady, Manning convince NFL to allow offenses to use own footballs on the road.
November 28, 2006|By Abe Rakov Staff Writer

Playing quarterback in the NFL became a little easier in the offseason, at least in the minds of the signal-callers.

Two of the biggest stars in the league, New England quarterback Tom Brady and Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning, formed an alliance to change a rule that had pestered them for a while. Instead of having the home team supply footballs to the opposing offense, which was the existing method, the quarterbacks proposed visiting teams bring their own sets already worked in to their liking to be used on offense.

Every quarterback Brady and Manning contacted agreed with the idea, which was brought to the NFL's competition committee for approval.

"It was a fun process," Brady said. "All the quarterbacks started communicating, and it was something everyone felt strongly about. It's been terrific as far as I'm concerned."

Jeff Fisher, the Tennessee Titans coach and co-chairman of the competition committee, said there wasn't any resistance to the rule, so it was easily passed.

He said allowing quarterbacks to use their own footballs makes them more relaxed.

"I don't know that you'll be able to quantify the impact that it has," Fisher said. "I think it's a comforting factor for the quarterbacks to be able to use their own balls, and it made sense to the committee."

So far this season it seems the rule has only had a mental impact on quarterbacks.

Quarterbacks have been slightly more accurate on the road this season than last. Going into Monday night's game, quarterbacks had completed 59.66 percent of their passes on the road. Through 12 weeks last season, visiting quarterbacks completed 59.07 percent of their passes.

But Brady, who compared using a new football for a game to baseball players using new gloves every outing, said he has noticed a difference, and other quarterbacks have told him they are happy with the change.

"The thing is, every quarterback likes it a little bit different," Brady said. "Some like them blown up a little bit more, some like them a little more thin, some like them a little more new, some like them really broken in."

Before this season, quarterbacks never knew what the condition of the footballs would be from stadium to stadium.

"It used to be kind of a crapshoot to see what kind of ball you got," Dolphins quarterback Joey Harrington said. "Some teams would treat the balls and keep them looking new, some would break them in a little bit, some teams would throw them straight out of the box. You never knew what you were going to get."

New footballs come coated with a slick film, and if it isn't completely removed the balls become very difficult to use when wet. Along with being more difficult to throw, a new football is tougher to catch because it is very firm.

So to eliminate the uncertainty for the visitors from week to week, the NFL adopted the new rule. Before the game, officials must approve the balls to make sure they meet NFL specifications.


Teams are supposed to scrub off the film on the ball prior to the game, but as long as the balls pass the inspection they can be prepared however the team chooses.

The previous rule was put into effect because kickers were doing a little too much "busting up" before a game. Balls being used for kickoffs and field goals were beginning to look more like beaten-up basketballs than footballs.

Balls were microwaved, soaked in different liquids, placed in saunas -- anything to soften the seams and give the footballs a bigger sweet spot.

So in 1999 the NFL decided to have a set of balls marked with a "K" to be opened by officials just prior to kickoff to be used in the kicking game. And visiting offenses were forced to use balls supplied by the home team, usually right out of the box with no preparation.


Dolphins kicker Olindo Mare said quarterbacks were immediately impacted by the change.

"I remember when they put new quarterback balls in and everybody was dropping them and they were slipping everywhere," Mare said. "So it kind of made fun of the offense for not being able to handle the ball. But when it happens on missed field goals people don't think it's so funny."

Mare said he realizes why the NFL chooses to help quarterbacks and offenses while kickers still struggle using new footballs.

"I think it's unfair that the quarterbacks get to bring their balls, but what can you do about it? They aren't letting us do anything about it," he said. "People aren't paying $70 a ticket to watch me kick a touchback. They want me to kick it to the goal line and watch Wes [Welker] run it back 100 yards. So it's understandable that they're trying to promote the offense, but don't punish us."
 
Can we also allow receivers to use stickem? And ball carriers wear tearaway jerseys? It's not like using steroids.

To be fair, the d-linemen should be able to grease their uniforms. And we'll let DBs use stickem, too.

Or, everyone can play by one set of rules. Even the Great Tom Brady.

Have you looked at those tacky-ass gloves the receivers and DBs wear? Stick'em was never that effective. And I liked tear-away jerseys - stop grabbing and tackle dammit.

Seriously, I think they should go back to the baseball model. Peyton, Brady, and whoever else don't get to play with their specially modified footballs, they plays with the footballs provided by the officiating crew. Just like every baseball pitcher has to do.
 
And I liked tear-away jerseys - stop grabbing and tackle dammit...

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Sorry to question the almighty rule book. I figured you more for a maverick than a rule book nazi, but whatever.

I want to see the game played straight up. If Tom Brady wanted to play with a less inflated ball, he could have petitioned the league in one of the many offseasons he's been in the NFL and made his case. Had the league seen the merits of his argument, then the rule changes. Did he do that? Or did he decide himself to f the rules. He's Tom Brady. Let the other suckers follow the rules.

I'm tired of cheaters. I'm tired of liars. I see it enough in real life to puke. I would like my fantasy that the NFL is played straight to continue. Yeah, I know it's a fantasy. I just want the NFL tp pander to it.

So if that means I have a corncob up the arse...I guess I have a corncob up my arse.
 
The New England Patriots quarterback could have his DeflateGate suspension overturned, a source texted ESPN’s Adam Schefter, who relayed the message on “The Herd With Colin Cowherd.”

“Brady’s team is unreal,” the source said. “Talented, big-name lawyers: Yee, Kessler, etc. Prediction=won’t miss a game.”
...
 
I like Brady although I could care less about the Pats. That being said, as I've stated multiple times already ITT, I am not using my stance to defend Brady or the Patriots. This is a team that, despite appearing in 9 AFC Championship Games and 6 Super Bowl's over the last 15 years, is continually trying to cut corners to find an edge on the fringe of the rulebook.

My stance is against the NFL in what I find to be a ridiculous and hypocritical punishment that is completely agenda driven by PR and public perception.

That old saying "If you aint cheatin you aint tryin"

If you aren't pushing the boundaries .... you aren't doing all you can to win. Just have to make sure you stay within them.
 
Okay, make it a range of 8 psi to 15 psi (or whatever, just grabbing a wide range to illustrate the idea).

My main point is that the figures are arbitrary and should be subject to change. The football itself has changed over the years. They certainly do not play with the original football:

[IMGwidthsize=400]http://www.gophersport.com/files/image/general/LARGE/FB_Football.jpg[/IMG]

As far as "wrong" on current restrictions, that's purely subjective. However, there have been on-going modifications to some fundamental aspects of the game - things a lot more crucial than mere psi - in order to advance the offensive side to make the product more exciting for fans. We are seeing it in coverage to blocking techniques to protection of offensive players in a variety of ways. I do not think allowing a psi change is going to alter the nature of the game like many of these other changes have over the past decade.

Not picking on you paycheck, but there seems to be a general lack of understanding of the history of football. A little over a hundred years ago the game was almost banned entirely, and then everyone screamed because Teddy Roosevelt led the charge to introduce some safety measures and allow the forward pass. What I am talking about - psi - is a blip on the radar of the huge evolution of the sport in the past century.



Maybe they could flatten it into a disc and it becomes a game of Ultimate Frisbee!

The key is to modify the rules rather than just breaking them because you don't like them.
 
The ESPN/ABC News poll found that 63 percent of all fans surveyed, and 76 percent of self-described "avid" fans, supported the NFL's decision to suspend Brady for four games, fine the Patriots $1 million and take away a first-round and fourth-round draft pick from the team for its involvement in the using underinflated footballs during a January playoff game. In addition, 54 percent of all fans and 69 percent of avid fans think Brady "cheated," while 52 percent overall and 63 percent of avid fans think, regardless of Brady's actions, the Patriots cheated.

The poll also found that 85 percent of all fans, and 80 percent of avid fans, think that other teams do similar things. Only 6 percent of all fans, and 12 percent of avid fans, think it was limited to the Patriots.

While fans support the decision to suspend Brady, they also strongly support him as a Hall of Fame candidate -- 63 percent of all fans, and 73 percent of avid fans, say they support his eventual enshrinement in Canton. But only 52 percent overall see him as a good role model.

In terms of the Super Bowl, 46 percent of all fans, and 42 percent of avid fans, see the Patriots' last-minute, 28-24 win over Seattle as "tainted."

The survey, produced for ESPN and ABC News by Langer Research Associates, interviewed a random national sample of 504 adults on May 12 on landlines and cellphones. The overall margin of error is 5 percentage points.
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A.J. Feeley says he witnessed Patriots use doctored footballs
Former NFL quarterback A.J. Feeley says the Patriots were breaking the rules about properly preparing footballs long before Deflategate.

Feeley said on 97.5 The Fanatic that when he was playing for the Dolphins in 2004, he saw Patriots quarterback Tom Brady using old, broken-in balls at a time when NFL rules said that teams had to use new balls provided by the league.

“Prior to Tommy and Peyton Manning going to the league and saying, ‘Let us doctor our balls’ we used to all play with the same balls,” Feeley said. “Somehow this beat-up ball from the ball boy was getting thrown in on offense for New England, yet when we were on offense this orange brand new ball was getting thrown in.”

Feeley says Brady was getting an advantage, and Feeley had a problem with it.

“He’s getting his own balls thrown in on offense,” Feeley said. “That was an issue to me at the time. . . . We saw it then.”

If the Patriots were cheating to gain an advantage over the Dolphins in 2004, it’s odd that no one said anything about it until 2015. Maybe no one said anything because they didn’t think it was a big deal. This week the NFL showed that it thinks tampering with the footballs is a very big deal.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...he-witnessed-patriots-use-doctored-footballs/
 
I want to see the game played straight up. If Tom Brady wanted to play with a less inflated ball, he could have petitioned the league in one of the many offseasons he's been in the NFL and made his case. Had the league seen the merits of his argument, then the rule changes. Did he do that? Or did he decide himself to f the rules. He's Tom Brady. Let the other suckers follow the rules.

I'm tired of cheaters. I'm tired of liars. I see it enough in real life to puke. I would like my fantasy that the NFL is played straight to continue. Yeah, I know it's a fantasy. I just want the NFL tp pander to it.

So if that means I have a corncob up the arse...I guess I have a corncob up my arse.

I agree with you completely, man. Not agreeing with a rule doesn't mean that you get to break it. I have not defended the Pats/Brady breaking rules. They get what the NFL thinks they deserve.

But, that is a completely different subject than questioning the rule itself. Maybe this was not the thread to question the rule, all things considered.

lol on the corncob. I guess that's one way to look at it, but I was meaning it in more of a corncob pipe and sort of 'old man stuck in his ways' mentality, and just playing with you more than anything...

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I agree with you completely, man. Not agreeing with a rule doesn't mean that you get to break it. I have not defended the Pats/Brady breaking rules. They get what the NFL thinks they deserve.

But, that is a completely different subject than questioning the rule itself. Maybe this was not the thread to question the rule, all things considered.

lol on the corncob. I guess that's one way to look at it, but I was meaning it in more of a corncob pipe and sort of 'old man stuck in his ways' mentality, and just playing with you more than anything...

corn-cob-man-300x300.jpg


"Double Barrel has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."
 
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Going to turn this into a federal case,

As if Brady didn't know and the ballboys went rogue... this one time.

Talk about hubris, sheesh. Just tell the truth and move on.


Oh, and then there's this...

Michele Steele ‏@ESPNMichele
Patriots lawyers say McNally referred to himself as deflator because he was trying to lose weight

Yeah, mmmkay. :shades:
 
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter


Going to turn this into a federal case,

As if Brady didn't know and the ballboys went rogue... this one time.

Talk about hubris, sheesh. Just tell the truth and move on.


Oh, and then there's this...

Michele Steele ‏@ESPNMichele

Yeah, mmmkay. :shades:

Yeah, after perusing through bits and pieces of the Patriots response made me laugh. Unless I missed something, they just made themselves look/sound like fools. I'd fire the cat that penned that rebuttal

Didn't they fire the "deflator" gut and some other dude after all this began? Yet, they're giving excuses for them?

They should've kept their collective trap shut, imo
 
Yeah, after perusing through bits and pieces of the Patriots response made me laugh. Unless I missed something, they just made themselves look/sound like fools. I'd fire the cat that penned that rebuttal
After hearing Dan Wetzel this morning on 610, I'm convinced that the average journalist might be a moron. (That might not be news to some)

He seemed to follow Yee's rebuttals and seemed to base his entire argument that the NFL didn't correct some false initial reports on the ball pressure. All the rest was reading comprehension issues.
 
"Double Barrel has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."

whooops! Good to go, man. I look forward to your message. :)

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter


Going to turn this into a federal case,

As if Brady didn't know and the ballboys went rogue... this one time.

Talk about hubris, sheesh. Just tell the truth and move on.


Oh, and then there's this...

Michele Steele ‏@ESPNMichele

Yeah, mmmkay. :shades:

ugghhh...this just gets uglier and uglier. I hate off-season. Regular season cannot get here soon enough.
 
Oh, and then there's this...
Michele Steele ‏@ESPNMichele
Patriots lawyers say McNally referred to himself as deflator because he was trying to lose weight

Yeah, mmmkay. :shades:

I find the fact the The Pats apparently found this plausible enough for public consumption absolutely astounding. Nice to know how much stock we can put in their comments on this matter.
 
I find the fact the The Pats apparently found this plausible enough for public consumption absolutely astounding. Nice to know how much stock we can put in their comments on this matter.

The exact wording of the Patriot's"reasonable" rebuttal:


Mr. Jastremski would sometimes work out and bulk up — he is a slender guy and his goal was to get to 200 pounds. Mr. McNally is a big fellow and had the opposite goal: to lose weight. “Deflate” was a term they used to refer to losing weight. One can specifically see this use of the term in a Nov. 30, 2014 text from Mr. McNally to Mr. Jastremski: “deflate and give somebody that jacket.” (p. 87). This banter, and Mr. McNally’s goal of losing weight, meant Mr. McNally was the “deflator.” There was nothing complicated or sinister about it. If there was any doubt about the jocular nature of the May 9, 2014 texts, a review of all the texts between these two men that day would dispel it.
:hankpalm:
 
FYI

Brady's appeal was in a 4pm EST today. Brady's appeal only deals with the suspension and must be heard within 10 days. The team has not said if it will appeal its penalties before a deadline May 21. The lost draft picks include a first-round draft pick next year and a fourth-rounder in 2017.
 
But there's a big problem here: The Patriots indefinitely suspended McNally and Jastremski, the two employees at the center of the scandal, without pay the day the Wells Report came out. In a statement, the NFL said owner Robert Kraft made the decision:

"Patriots owner Robert Kraft advised Commissioner Roger Goodell last week that Patriots employees John Jastremski and James McNally have been indefinitely suspended without pay by the club, effective on May 6th. Neither of these individuals may be reinstated without the prior approval of NFL Executive Vice President of Football Operations Troy Vincent. If they are reinstated by the Patriots, Jastremski is prohibited from having any role in the preparation, supervision, or handling of footballs to be used in NFL games during the 2015 season. McNally is barred from serving as a locker room attendant for the game officials, or having any involvement with the preparation, supervision, or handling of footballs or any other equipment on game day."

If wellsreportcontext.com is to be believed, McNally and Jastremski did nothing wrong and the balls deflated by themselves due to environmental conditions. So why were they basically fired?

The rebuttal doesn't mention any of this. It only vigorously defends the same two employees that the team punished internally.
Link

:popcorn:
 
Patriots rebuttal to Wells report...
"There is no evidence that Tom Brady preferred footballs that were lower than 12.5 psi and no evidence anyone even thought that he did...
Brady in 2011 interview...
“When Gronk scores … he spikes the ball and he deflates the ball,” Brady said in the 2011 interview. “I love that, because I like the deflated ball. But I feel bad for that football, because he puts everything he can into those spikes.”

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Mehta: Patriots 'Deflator' explanation simply a big fat joke
Jim McNally deserves our support. Deflation can be a long and arduous road that requires discipline and mental fortitude. Losing the last five pounds during deflation is the hardest part.

The self-described “Deflator” in the PSI: Foxborough scandal that has rocked the Super Bowl champion Patriots apparently has a much more important issue to tackle: The battle of the bulge.

The Patriots lawyered up and released nearly 20,000 words of pure comedy Thursday afternoon in a sad attempt to create reasonable doubt with the desperate hope that the gullible and weak-minded will buy their knee-slapping hilarity.

The few passages of believability were overshadowed by mountains of nonsense highlighted by the preposterous notion that McNally, the disgraced locker room assistant in the DeflateGate saga that has further sullied the Patriots’ brand, labeled himself the “Deflator” because he wanted to lose weight, not because he deflated footballs to appease Tom Brady...
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...anation-simply-big-fat-joke-article-1.2222749
 
Mike Garofolo @MikeGarofolo
Roger Goodell will hear Tom Brady's appeal, NFL confirms @mikefreemanNFL report. NFL release said he "authorized" Troy Vincent's punishment.

The NFLPA has asked Goodell to recuse himself in the past. That could be coming down the chute here but it's up to Goodell who hears appeal.
 
They should add on JUST for that load of malarkey they put out. THAT was detrimental to the integrity of the NFL.
 
Roger Goodell will hear Tom Brady's appeal; no neutral arbitrator
By John Breech | CBSSports.com
May 14, 2015 10:58 pm ET

The NFL Players Association was hoping that a neutral arbitrator was going to hear Tom Brady's appeal. The NFLPA isn't going to get its wish.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell decided Thursday that he'll be the one to preside over Brady's appeal.

"Commissioner Goodell will hear the appeal of Tom Brady's suspension in accordance with the process agreed upon with the NFL Players Association in the 2011 collective bargaining agreement," the league said in a statement.

The NFLPA didn't want any part of Goodell and had specifically requested that a neutral third party hear Brady's appeal.

"Given the NFL's history of inconsistency and arbitrary decisions in disciplinary matters, it is only fair that a neutral arbitrator hear this appeal," the NFLPA said in a statement when Brady's appeal was filed on Thursday. "If Ted Wells and the NFL believe, as their public comments stated, that the evidence in their report is 'direct' and 'inculpatory,' then they should be confident enough to present their case before someone who is truly independent."

Under terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, Goodell had the option of hearing Brady's appeal himself or designating an officer to hear the appeal. The NFL commissioner also could have sent the case to a neutral arbitrator. Obviously, Goodell went with option A.

With Goodell presiding over the appeal, it's likely going be tough for Brady to get his four-game suspension reduced, mainly because Goodell himself signed off on the punishment.

When the NFL announced Brady's suspension on Monday, part of the announcement included a statement from the league noting that Goodell had approved of the suspension.

"Commissioner Goodell authorized the discipline that was imposed by NFL Executive President Troy Vincent, pursuant to the commissioner's disciplinary authority under the NFL Constitution and Bylaws and the Collective Bargaining Agreement with the NFL Players Association," the statement said.

Brady was suspended without pay for what the NFL termed "conduct detrimental to the integrity of the league."

Vincent also sent a letter to Brady explaining that the suspension was handed down in part because of Brady's "failure to cooperate" in the investigation. In the 243-page Deflategate report, independent investigator Ted Wells noted that Brady refused to turn over his cell phone and other personal information for investigative purposes.

If the suspension holds, then the Patriots quarterback will miss games against the Steelers, Bills, Jaguars and Cowboys, with the Buffalo and Dallas games both coming on the road.

Be sure you watch the video on this page! (including the video that follows the first)
 
OMG already........I am so SICK of hearing about this all over TV.........pretty much all that has been talked about all morning on Mike and Mike and now on First Take........I understand it is a pretty big deal as far as the cheating aspect, but how much can these people just ramble on and on and on about it. There was a couple of pretty big NBA games that went on last night if these guys don't know....
 
Blank says Pats’ “failure to acknowledge” caused hammer to fall
Posted by Darin Gantt on May 15, 2015, 11:12 AM EDT

Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank pauses while speaking at a news conference announcing that Mike Smith has been fired as head coach, Monday, Dec. 29, 2014, in Atlanta. (AP Photo/David Goldman) AP

When the NFL investigated the Falcons for pumping fake crowd noise into the Georgia Dome, they took a novel approach.

They fessed up, got rid of a scapegoat, took their punishment and didn’t write a 20,000-word screed explaining that it was just Jim McNally’s step class mix tape.

And Falcons owner Arthur Blank seemed to suggest that was the difference in penalties between his team ($350,000, a fifth-rounder and three months of team president Rich McKay on the competition committee) and the Patriots ($1,000,000, a first- and fourth-round draft pick and four games worth of quarterback Tom Brady).

“That seems to be the general feeling, that some of the frustration whether on an individual basis or organizational basis, was the failure to acknowledge,” Blank said of the Patriots punishment, via the Associated Press.

Blank said he wasn’t familiar with all the details of the DeflateGate investigation (they keep the 10-foot-poles with which to not touch things on Aisle 37 at Home Depot), but couldn’t help but see the differences in his case and Robert Kraft’s.

“Of course you think about it,” Blank said. “The league feels a tremendous sense of responsibility, as do all the owners, in reinforcing the culture of the NFL, the shield and make sure the game remains as balanced and as pure and as true to its integrity and its ethics as can be done. When they find any organization or any individual has gotten off those tracks it’s their job to remind them of that and bring them back on the tracks and do it in a way that really reinforces what the league is about.

“I think in the case of New England they have done that.”

Blank also said that Kraft remained one of the influential owners in the league, and thinks he’ll be able to weather the storm.

“I think after things are processed, Robert will be in a good place, I think the commissioner will be in a good place, I think their relationship will be a good one and they will continue to work for the benefit of the National Football League for a long time,” Blank said.

Of course, that relationship is going to need some work in the time being, and Blank may have to offer a discount on some spackle and a can of paint to get it patched up
 
Baseball is in full swing. The NBA playoffs have elimination games in every series. The Stanley Cup has the conference finals upcoming. And all anyone wants to talk about is Deflategate.

Instead of a punishment, maybe the NFL should give the Pats and Brady a bonus?
 
OMG already........I am so SICK of hearing about this all over TV.........pretty much all that has been talked about all morning on Mike and Mike and now on First Take........I understand it is a pretty big deal as far as the cheating aspect, but how much can these people just ramble on and on and on about it. There was a couple of pretty big NBA games that went on last night if these guys don't know....

Baseball is in full swing. The NBA playoffs have elimination games in every series. The Stanley Cup has the conference finals upcoming. And all anyone wants to talk about is Deflategate.

Instead of a punishment, maybe the NFL should give the Pats and Brady a bonus?

I'm with you guys. Enough of this frickin' soap opera. Who knew that guys were this into, what amounts to, a bunch of damned gossip.

If this was Phillip Rivers and SD no one would give a crap.
 
Baseball is in full swing. The NBA playoffs have elimination games in every series. The Stanley Cup has the conference finals upcoming. And all anyone wants to talk about is Deflategate.

Instead of a punishment, maybe the NFL should give the Pats and Brady a bonus?


Nice take
 
I'm with you guys. Enough of this frickin' soap opera. Who knew that guys were this into, what amounts to, a bunch of damned gossip.

If this was Phillip Rivers and SD no one would give a crap.

They would if Phillip Rivers and SD were the Superbowl Champions after cheating once again.
 
Robert Kraft Glossed Goodell... Until It Hurt the Pats
Robert Kraft has painted himself into quite the corner. He has long defended the character and integrity of Roger Goodell. But in the wake of the Great Patriots Punishment, he has openly called into question the trustworthiness of the commissioner’s office and allowed his organization and city to launch a holy war against Goodell. A position which, ironically, calls into question his own credibility on everything else he’s ever said about the commish.

While Kraft originally said he would accept whatever penalties were handed down, he has recanted. Kraft has publicly questioned the findings. Tom Brady’s agent has attacked the reliability of the investigation. Kraft says his organization supports Brady’s appeal and efforts to discredit the report. And Kraft may be considering legal recourse on the league.

But how unfair is the punishment to everyone outside of Foxboro? On Wednesday Jerry Jones, another powerful member of the NFL Cartel and a Kraft ally, applauded Goodell. “He’s doing a great job, and I’m a supporter of his.” Jones said “fairness” was one of the commissioner’s biggest strengths. Re-read that quote, then close your eyes and imagine a pink tie. It sounds a lot like Kraft in many past sound bites.

Kraft was front and center defending Goodell’s credibility during the Ray Rice fiasco. The world gasped in horror when video was released of Rice decking his fiancee in an elevator. The country fumed that the league hid behind the flimsy excuse it couldn’t acquire the tape. Fans and media cut Goodell into shark chum for handing down a paltry two-game suspension after gathering information, including the police report that clearly detailed exactly what transpired.

Interestingly, amid the world screaming for Goodell’s resignation Kraft appeared on CBS This Morning, staunchly defending the commissioner’s decision-making.
“I know our commissioner has taken some heat and I just want to say that I spoke with him yesterday when this came out… he had no knowledge of this video.The way he has handled this situation himself… setting a very clear policy of how we conduct ourselves in the NFL, I thought was excellent. Anyone who is second guessing that doesn’t know him.” In an obvious effort to polish his league’s wares, Kraft added: “The good news is, people did the right thing.” Which not exactly how most of us would describe the Rice debacle. Believe me, Goodell is doing the right thing, Kraft told us.

Last September, in the middle of daily black-eyes for the league, Goodell was hanged in effigy around the country. Most believed the commissioner had to resign or be removed. He had come off as dishonest, a patsy, and an empty-suit. But Patriots President Jonathan Kraft stood by the commish. He told my old station, the Pats flagship 98.5 The Sports Hub, “I’ve known Roger for over 20 years, I’ve never seen him do anything but be crystal clear and tell the truth.”
Robert Kraft has continually poured buckets of sunshine all over Goodell. Two years ago, he slathered it on mighty thick to ESPN’s Outside the Lines. “I think we really lucked out with him as commissioner. I think Roger, once he assumed this position, really runs the NFL like he owns it and thinks like an owner.” At that time, the players were openly griping about the commissioner’s heavy-handed ways. But Kraft was there to defend his honor. “All I know is he’s very tough but very fair, and he’s doing a job, and it’s not going to help him win popularity contests. I want him to do things just the way he’s doing them.” Believe me, Goodell is doing the right thing, Kraft told us.

Five years ago, the NFL was lacing up its boxing gloves to engage in bloody battle with the NFLPA. The owners realized they would need Goodell to be the public fall guy if there were ugly work stoppages, and awarded him with a new five-year deal making him the richest commissioner in sports. At the time Kraft pumped up his homeboy. “We’re going into a major negotiation. It will be very difficult probably in many ways and we want to have someone who has his own views, who’s going to have to make some hard decisions that maybe some of us won’t like.” Kraft added, “In the end, I think we’re confident that he and his team will do what’s for the best long-term interest of the league.” How about one more nugget to gloss Goodell’s integrity? “I think Roger and his team run the entire business in a way that in today’s economic environment is just outstanding. And I’m comfortable with the way we’re rewarding him. He on his own declined to take a bonus that we wanted to give him last year because he didn’t think it was appropriate.” Believe me, Goodell is doing the right thing, Kraft told us.

So let’s just get this straight. Goodell, according to the Krafts, has been “excellent, crystal clear, outstanding, and tough but fair,” when he’s handled situations that made them money, took the public brow-beating, or punished someone else. He’s been honest, and even deferred financial gain out of personal integrity. He often makes decisions that may be unpopular, but he’s only worried about what’s right in the long-term. When he’s writing citations for violations in Foxboro, however, he’s over-reaching and not credible. But Goodell is doing the wrong thing, believe me, Kraft is now telling us. The Patriots have always wanted Goodell to do things just the way he’s always done them, until it was done to them.
http://sports.cbslocal.com/2015/05/14/da-kraft-glossed-goodell-until-it-hurt-the-pats/
 
Patriots have been accused of tampering with communications before
Karlos Dansby said in an appearance on PFT Live this week that he suspected the Patriots of wrongdoing in 2008, when the Cardinals visited New England and had trouble with their coach-to-helmet communications system. Dansby wasn’t the first to make such a claim against the Patriots.

After the Jaguars lost to the Patriots in the playoffs following the 2005 season, then-Jacksonville coach Jack Del Rio said the headsets mysteriously malfunctioned.”

In 2007, Paul Zimmerman of Sports Illustrated reported that in a 2006 Lions-Patriots game in New England, then-Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz had Detroit’s offense off to a good start until he lost the ability to call plays because the communications system went out. According to that report, it happened to the Lions twice, both times in the middle of drives when the Lions were picking up steam.

Zimmerman’s report also quoted Bengals coach Marvin Lewis as saying the same thing that happened to the Lions had happened to the Bengals as well: “Yeah, I know,” Lewis said. “Headset went out. It happened to me in Foxboro, too.”

The NFL has never substantiated any such accusations against the Patriots. Spygate and Deflategate, however, have cast a long shadow over the franchise, and opened the Patriots up to charges that those weren’t the only times they cheated. Just the only times they got caught.
 
So this isn't a case of outrage at the "crime" but of attacking the successful?

If the CHEATING is "successful", then yes. Unsuccessful cheaters are easily forgotten. But it is not outrage at the "success", it is HOW they became "successful."
 
Just a question to my attorney colleagues.....if Brady sues the NFL, will that open up his phone records, etc somewhere along the way?
 
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