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Selection 3.70, Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State

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Texian said:
Last year I was all in on Donte Moncrief for the Texans in RD 3. I thought it would be a perfect opportunity for DM to come in and learn from AJ. The Colts drafted Moncrief in RD3 with the 90th pick and they didn't have to give up a 5th, 7th and a player to get him. So it looks like Donte is going to get that tutlelage anyways.

Moncrief and Strong are almost carbon copies of each other. Moncrief may be just a tad faster. Hopefully Strong can become the same WR so many expect of Moncrief without being able to spend time with AJ. So far the Colts have been very pleased with Moncrief. It would be nice if the Texans can become equally as pleased if not more so with Strong.
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Yup ... he is the first player in history to go to the HOF with 32 catches . That's 37 if you count the playoffs . :slapfight:
 
Texian said:
Moncrief and Strong are almost carbon copies of each other. Moncrief may be just a tad faster. Hopefully Strong can become the same WR so many expect of Moncrief without being able to spend time with AJ. So far the Colts have been very pleased with Moncrief. It would be nice if the Texans can become equally as pleased if not more so with Strong.
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Yeah, I liked Moncrief as well. Feel like he was more sudden than Strong. Strong I feel is better at the point of attack. Both need(ed) to refine their routes, learn how to get separation vs NFL CBs. Not sure where DM stands with Indy when they add AJ and Dorsett, though?
 
thunderkyss said:
That's cute & everything, but surely he didn't expect to be among the top three receivers taken. He was always slotted between 4 & 7 anyway, so it kinda loses its sting... the whole "Reminds me 10 were taken ahead of me" shtick

Then it appears he fell because he decided not to go to Indy to be rechecked by all 32 teams.
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He's a competitor, of course he expected to be taken higher.

You think Tom Brady was happy six guys were taken ahead of him? He just expected to be a 6th round draft pick?

Ask Richard Sherman how many guys were taken ahead of him:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...erman-can-name-every-db-drafted-ahead-of-him/
 
thunderkyss said:
That's cute & everything, but surely he didn't expect to be among the top three receivers taken. He was always slotted between 4 & 7 anyway, so it kinda loses its sting... the whole "Reminds me 10 were taken ahead of me" shtick

Then it appears he fell because he decided not to go to Indy to be rechecked by all 32 teams.
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Ya, f*ck this dude for believing in himself. Stupid, selfish, trying to achieve guy ... jerk. And his motivation can suck itself. The effing drive of him ...
Stupid team for thinking that's worthwhile ... How cute ...
 
Mollywhopper said:
Ya, f*ck this dude for believing in himself. Stupid, selfish, trying to achieve guy ... jerk. And his motivation can suck itself. The effing drive of him ...
Stupid team for thinking that's worthwhile ... How cute ...
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Is he your boyfriend or something?


All I'm saying is "big deal" not "dude sucks" pretty big difference.
 
Coming out of this Draft I see 2 things with Strong: in the third round he's a tremendous value, so they got a real steal. But the second thing is this is not their guy, so as to the WR needs they remain unsatisfied and unfulfilled after this Draft because the guy they really wanted for their new WR was Dorsett. It is rare for Rick Smith to cough-up multiple picks to move higher back into the first round.
I think Billy wanted this guy, bad. So he really wanted Dorsett, and he wasn't just fast, he was atleast the fastest receiver if not the fastest player in the whole dam Daft. So I have to say I regret that they couldn't get the U speedster, just as I think Billy does.
 
Playoffs said:
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Jaelen Strong was a projected first-round pick until he was perceived to snub teams and fell to the third round. He skipped the chance to have all 32 teams recheck his wrist and I pointed out then how voluntarily missing the return trip to Indianapolis was unprecedented.

Skipping the medical recheck has the appearance of hiding an injury. He was cleared by a Texans hand specialist the week before the draft. A Steelers pre-draft physical also had him passing a physical. It seems he had nothing to hide but his no show at the Combine medical recheck likely hurt his draft stock. Missing recheck is the medical equivalent of skipping your Pro Day when scouts have travelled to see you.

I am not sure who okayed Strong’s absence from medical recheck, but it would be interesting to find out what advice came from the Jay-Z owned Roc Nation Sports agency that represents him.
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thunderkyss said:
Then it appears he fell because he decided not to go to Indy to be rechecked by all 32 teams.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Strong suffered a wrist fracture similar to Cushing. In Cushing's case, the bone was fractured through and through. He continued to play with it for a long time without immobilization. Therefore the two separated pieces would not heal (non union) and at that late point in time, conservative immobilization in a cast would not have lead to healing.........therefore surgery was performed.

Strong also sustained a fracture of the navicular (also called the scaphoid) wrist bone. But this was a "stress" fracture, where the two pieces of bone did not actually separate and move. Strong was fortunate in that he played with this fracture since November 1 of last year and did not extend the injury to physical separation of the two pieces. Therefore, the wrist could be immobilized after the season for anywhere from 3-5 months depending on x-ray or other imaging findings. As long as he was not having pain, and was fully immobilized, he could have played with a cast on during this period of time.....but, of course, this would not very practical for a WR.

All in all, from the information that I have been able to garner, his wrist should not be an issue from this injury.
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Too much has been made about Strong's "skipping" the Combine medical exam. By that time (February 17).......only ~5-6 weeks after the wrist was immobilized had taken place. Examination that early could in no way have given teams usable information as to if the wrist (scaphoid/navicular bone) was going to completely heal. If non-union was evident at that stage, it did not mean union would not be accomplished at 3-5 months. At the pre-Draft examination (~April 14) by the Steelers and the Texans at around the 3 1/2 month period, the x-rays/imaging evidently revealed that Strong's fracture was in complete union and well-healed.

NFL teams should not have dropped Strong in their Draft valuations based on his skipping the Combine medical examination. He wasn't hiding anything. Nothing was to be gained then by physically or radiologically examining a wrist fracture that you should have definitely known was not going to be healed. Yes, navicular/scaphoid bone fractures are indeed notorious for non-union when using nonsurgical approach. But again, this could not have been determined at the Combine.
 
ASU's Todd Graham: Reports of Jaelen Strong's conduct issues are 'absolutely false'; LINK

Todd Graham isn't sure why standout receiver Jaelen Strong slipped to the Houston Texans in the third round of last week's NFL draft, but the Arizona State coach is sure of one thing: It wasn't because of character issues.

According to a report in The Baltimore Sun, teams might have passed on Strong because of "undisclosed conduct issues" during his time with the Sun Devils.

Graham's response: "That's absolutely false. Jaelen did everything I asked him to do. He signed every autograph, he handed the ball to the officials (after touchdowns). The guy was never in my office. He took care of his business and he did what he was supposed to do."
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First time I heard of any conduct issues possibly being the cause. Regardless, I'm glad he fell to us.
 
Playoffs said:
The fuss was over his skipping the Combine medical re-check, which began April 17. Some teams will red flag you S.O.P. for doing so.
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Knowing that Strong's personal surgeon would have already known that his wrist was healed...........then, I too, can't understand the reasoning behind Strong's agent not making sure he attended the re-check.:toropalm:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I too, can't understand the reasoning behind Strong's agent not making sure he attended the re-check.
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Strong signed with "Roc Nation"... those knuckleheads likely scheduled his PIT/HOU visits unknowingly overlapping the recheck and just advised him to skip.


PapaL said:
ASU's Todd Graham: Reports of Jaelen Strong's conduct issues are 'absolutely false'; LINK

First time I heard of any conduct issues possibly being the cause. Regardless, I'm glad he fell to us.
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Hmmm, that's from Aaron Wilson and he's typically on point: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...p-draft-prospects-plummet-20150501-story.html

But there's no reason for his former head coach to make such a vehement stand for the player after the draft...
Graham questioned the timing of the character reports.

"Why didn't you hear that before the draft?" he said.

Graham said he thought Strong -- one of 28 players invited to attend the draft -- would go near the end of the first round and was surprised when Strong was still available after the second. The Texans chose him with the draft's 70th overall pick.

"My opinion: There's not 10 receivers better than Jaelen Strong,'' Graham said, later adding: "But Jaelen's going to be fine. He's with a great organization. Coach (Bill) O'Brien is great."
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Common thread running through every pick is character, team-first, hard worker, football first... I'd be surprised if OB went with an outlier.
 
IDEXAN said:
Coming out of this Draft I see 2 things with Strong: in the third round he's a tremendous value, so they got a real steal. But the second thing is this is not their guy, so as to the WR needs they remain unsatisfied and unfulfilled after this Draft because the guy they really wanted for their new WR was Dorsett. It is rare for Rick Smith to cough-up multiple picks to move higher back into the first round.
I think Billy wanted this guy, bad. So he really wanted Dorsett, and he wasn't just fast, he was atleast the fastest receiver if not the fastest player in the whole dam Daft. So I have to say I regret that they couldn't get the U speedster, just as I think Billy does.
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You state this Dorsett stuff like it's fact. It's not. The Texans' interest in him is one of three competing rumors/theories for who they were targeting. It also doesn't account for the fact either team could have called off the trade and we don't know which one did. It's just as credible the Pats hadn't expected Malcolm Brown to drop to them as it is the Texans were surprised by Indy.
 
Not much to say on this one. Obviously I love it. Thought he was a first round talent. To get him in the 3rd makes me ecstatic.
 
infantrycak said:
You state this Dorsett stuff like it's fact.
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IDEXAN, you always do that. Pull stuff out of your ass, and then state it like it's a fact.

Either say "IMO" or provide a link. Why does that even need to be said?
 
infantrycak said:
You state this Dorsett stuff like it's fact. It's not. The Texans' interest in him is one of three competing rumors/theories for who they were targeting. It also doesn't account for the fact either team could have called off the trade and we don't know which one did. It's just as credible the Pats hadn't expected Malcolm Brown to drop to them as it is the Texans were surprised by Indy.
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I'm seeing that same explanation with a local source, out of Indy, and also New England.
So you got another story ? OK fine let's see it ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I'm seeing that same explanation with a local source, out of Indy, and also New England.
So you got another story ? OK fine let's see it ?
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See, I thought they were trading up for Stephone Anthony who went 31 to the Saints. Then they went ILB in the 2nd. So this theory makes as much sense as the Dorsett theory.
 
IDEXAN said:
I'm seeing that same explanation with a local source, out of Indy, and also New England.
So you got another story ? OK fine let's see it ?
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Funny, I know you know how to post links. Where are they?

As I said there have been rumors about multiple other potential people they were moving to get - ALL CONJECTURE.
 
Interesting tidbit: most of our WRs have jersey numbers in the 10s, only Keshawn Martin and Nate Washington have them in the 80s.
 
Playoffs said:
Hmmm, that's from Aaron Wilson and he's typically on point: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...p-draft-prospects-plummet-20150501-story.html
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There was an Arizona State blogger on 610 during the evening who said that guys with discipline problems routinely had to run after practice and that Todd Graham is a disciplinarian.

He can't recall ever seeing Strong running after practice and mostly dismissed the report, but admitted they might handle discipline in different ways depending on talent.
 
Blake said:
See, I thought they were trading up for Stephone Anthony who went 31 to the Saints. Then they went ILB in the 2nd. So this theory makes as much sense as the Dorsett theory.
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Ian Rapoport said yesterday that we were targeting Dorsett or Landon Collins in that trade up but the Pats called it off when Brown was still available.

However, that conflicts with what he reported on draft night when he said we were moving up for Tevin Coleman sooo......who the hell knows.
 
Blake said:
See, I thought they were trading up for Stephone Anthony who went 31 to the Saints. Then they went ILB in the 2nd. So this theory makes as much sense as the Dorsett theory.
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I dunno maybe, but hey Blake atleast you've got a name. Could you provide a link that alleges Anthony is the player the Texans were after ? All the links I've seen say the object of the Texans affections was Dorsett and only Dorsett and fail to even mention any other player ?
 
noxiousdog said:
There was an Arizona State blogger on 610 during the evening who said that guys with discipline problems routinely had to run after practice and that Todd Graham is a disciplinarian.

He can't recall ever seeing Strong running after practice and mostly dismissed the report, but admitted they might handle discipline in different ways depending on talent.
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Give me a discipline problem that can get in and out of his breaks and is great in the red zone.
 
IDEXAN said:
I dunno maybe, but hey Blake atleast you've got a name. Could you provide a link that alleges Anthony is the player the Texans were after ? All the links I've seen say the object of the Texans affections was Dorsett and only Dorsett and fail to even mention any other player ?
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I could provide a link that alleges Tevin Coleman. But that was obviously hogwash as we passed on him in the 2nd and 3rd when he was still available. Having someone type up a story or post twitter comments do not mean it is more or less true.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2015/5/1/8530977/are-the-texans-trading-up-for-rb-tevin-coleman
 
http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-mock-draft/mock/2015/ourlads-mock-draft-5.0-final-4-30-15/81

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Houston Jaelen Strong* WR Arizona State
6023v 217v 4.44v

The Texans need a big, fast and Strong receiver. Can outmuscle most defensive backs that try to mix it up with him. Productive pass catcher in traffic. Tall and thick with huge hands. Long strider that can run away from a secondary when he has the ball. High on-field IQ, reads the defense and makes quick decisions and reactions. A weapon in traffic. Shows no hesitation in going after the ball over the middle in a prone position to be hit. High points the ball. Good run after the catch ability.

22 Pittsburgh Kevin Johnson CB Wake Forest

6002v 188v 4.48v

Easy and fluid mover. Top tier quickness and reaction. Shows the speed to pursue and/or catch up. Has an aggressive style that suits him well against both the run and pass. Quality ball skills. Shows the easy hands and eye-hand coordination when going after passes. Strong tackler who makes the attempt to wrap up. All-out hustler when moving downhill while attacking the run. Closes the gap quickly.
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Blake said:
I could provide a link that alleges Tevin Coleman. But that was obviously hogwash as we passed on him in the 2nd and 3rd when he was still available. Having someone type up a story or post twitter comments do not mean it is more or less true.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2015/5/1/8530977/are-the-texans-trading-up-for-rb-tevin-coleman
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I dunno know who Coleman is ? Is he a burner who plays receiver ?
Dorsett makes a lot of sense as he can play outside, he can play slot, and return KOs. So he's not just fast, he's versatile, and you know how Billy loves that.
 
IDEXAN said:
I dunno maybe, but hey Blake atleast you've got a name. Could you provide a link that alleges Anthony is the player the Texans were after ? All the links I've seen say the object of the Texans affections was Dorsett and only Dorsett and fail to even mention any other player ?
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You haven't looked very hard then.

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And look in the draft thread. The timing for 'Dorsett was the only target' is wrong. 15 minutes went by after Dorsett was picked and the Texans didn't pull the trade, but Malcolm Brown fell and the Pats pulled the deal.

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infantrycak said:
You haven't looked very hard then.

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And look in the draft thread. The timing for 'Dorsett was the only target' is wrong. 15 minutes went by after Dorsett was picked and the Texans didn't pull the trade, but Malcolm Brown fell and the Pats pulled the deal.

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Tevin Coleman ? C'mon infantrycak you know as well as I do the Texans wouldn't tuse a first round pick on a back. And Blake himself shot that one down.
 
IDEXAN said:
Tevin Coleman ? C'mon infantrycak you know as well as I do the Texans wouldn't tuse a first round pick on a back. And Blake himself shot that one down.
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What I said was there were several rumored. You acted like it was only Dorsett and that's not true. WolverineFan also backed up Landon Collins as rumored. Kendricks and an OLB were also rumored.

And what you are conveniently skipping over is the timing is completely wrong for Dorsett only. Dorsett was gone and the Texans didn't walk the deal while 2 more picks ticked by. NE walked the deal when Brown fell. So the Texans either weren't targeting Dorset at all or he was among a group of players they were happy to take at 32. Doesn't really matter who was in the group.

Frankly Blake's Anthony conjecture makes the most sense - when he went 31 and Brown was still available both teams wanted to walk the deal.
 
infantrycak said:
Frankly Blake's Anthony conjecture makes the most sense - when he went 31 and Brown was still available both teams wanted to walk the deal.
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I had Anthony as my #1 ILB so that would have made some sense if the Texans also really liked him. Combine that with the fact that we traded up in the second to take McKinney and it makes even more sense.
 
I like this pick a lot, even for what we gave up for him. We needed another big target to play outside.

We completely reshaped the WRs this year. With Strong, Mumphery, Washington and Shorts we have done a pretty good job of not only replacing Andre but injecting young talent into the team. If Mumphery can be better than Martin and Bonner, and the combination of Strong, Washington and Shorts can replace AJ, we've improved and are younger at the position.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I like this pick a lot, even for what we gave up for him.

Just to clear up the record, I do to. If there's no unknown injury issues or "off field' issues Strong is a tremendous value. And I've checked out a lot of mocks in the last couple months often seeing this guy in the first round. Great value !
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TexansSeminole said:
I had Anthony as my #1 ILB so that would have made some sense if the Texans also really liked him. Combine that with the fact that we traded up in the second to take McKinney and it makes even more sense.
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Agree with this and I agree with Blake. Dorsett was taken 15 minutes before NE backed out of the deal.

I've thought all along that Anthony was the target. Hell, it could have been just about anybody that was still on the board. But IMO it wasn't Dorsett, or we would have backed out of the deal as soon as he was gone. We didn't. Case closed on that one.
 
bhsman said:
Meh, I like him wearing #11 (that's not a knock on Posey, though) and I doubt they'd give that number to anyone now.
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Blake was joking.

How do you knock Posey?

Not a snowball's chance in hell they give anyone 80 right now. They're deciding whether to retire it. I think they will unofficially keep it off limits until AJ goes in the Hall.
 
infantrycak said:
Blake was joking.

How do you knock Posey?

Not a snowball's chance in hell they give anyone 80 right now. They're deciding whether to retire it. I think they will unofficially keep it off limits until AJ goes in the Hall.
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AJ's not going into the HOF anytime soon, if at all.
 
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