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Selection 3.70, Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State
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badboy
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So you don't want a bigger version of Hopkins? I'll take that every draft in 3rd round just go ahead and mark it down.
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infantrycak
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That's a very fine hair to split on bigger.
6' 1", 33 3/8" arm length, 10" hand, 214 lbs
6' 2", 32 1/2" arm length, 9" hand, 217 lbs
badboy
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why do you seem to always argue minutia and miss the topic? If they were exactly even in every detail, tell me you would not select a Strong type player in third? The poster I quoted said he hoped OBrien knew what he was doing drafting a "Nuk" type WR. He mentioned that Strong was same as Hopkins and that was not a good thing.
I'm thinking more of a Fitzgerald/Boldin combo. Neither of them were burners. But if the ball came anywhere near either of them, it was THEIRS. And that duo went to the Super Bowl as I recall.
Of course, we still need to figure out who in O'Brien's collection of QBs will turn into Kurt Warner.
infantrycak
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I was actually responding to the point steelb made. Just throwing around "bigger" doesn't make it so. steelb is correct that physically they are very similar. Their 40s are identical with Hopkins clocking 4.41 and 4.46 at his pro day and Strong going 4.44. Diversity, what steelb said he wanted, is not something which readily applies to Strong and Hopkins.
Your 3rd round stuff is what is deflecting from the topic.
And it's pretty obvious the diversity steelb was looking for was a burner. The diversity I would have liked to have seen was someone who plays more physical.
And there's an example - where Boldin was very physical. Fitz ran a 4.63 and Boldin 4.71. Our guys are cheetahs in comparison.
No, it's the Patriots that are cheatas...
Texian
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His shuttle and cone were very pedestrian raising questions about change of direction, separation and route running.
Kaiser Toro
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I expect Strong to be constantly in motion along the line and out of the backfield, to get his motor running. Don't see the first two challenges you list being an issue.
Route running needs to develop, but not concerned right now.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
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Texian
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only 2 WRs had a worse combined time of the cone and the shuttle, Tello Luckold from Harding and Ezell Ruffin from SDSU. A good reason why Strong a potential RD1 pick dropped to RD3. Should have been a red flag at the Combine after doing all the drills before refusing to do the cone and shuttle drills saying he had a tight hammy. His Pro Day times (4.21, 7.34) may have explained the reason for his tight hammy.
No doubt Strong has good straight line speed and a tremendous ability to catch the ball at his highest point. However the slowest DB may be able to cover Strong when he's getting in and out of his change of direction routes.
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Kelvin Benjamin, (4.39, 7.33), 1,000 yards/9 TDs as a rookie 20th & 12th in NFL
Jarvis Landry, (4.57, 7.55), 84 receptions as a rookie, 14th in NFL
Football isn't always about underwear races.
MSR
That is gonna suck when the NFL goes to cone and shuttle times to determine a winner.
Brandon420tx
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Every time I see his jump numbers man. As long as he can consistently high point passes he should be great
the pick is ok, but let's get one thing straight....9" hands for a guy over 6'2" is NOT big at all. smallish even. i'm 5'9" and my hands are 9" across.
this WILL matter when he's trying to catch 60 mph rockets from mallett.
infantrycak
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The measurements on these guys get overplayed. Michael Irvin (predecessor to someone we know) was a new definition of "big" WR in the league at 6'2" 210 lbs.
He was more physical more than he was bjgger. We had a 15 lb heavier and faster Irvin. Strong and Hopkins play smaller than they are rather than bigger. Hope it works.
He was more physical more than he was bjgger. We had a 15 lb heavier and faster Irvin. Strong and Hopkins play smaller than they are rather than bigger. Hope it works.
Texian
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Already that way, been that way for awhile. There are teams who won't draft a DB under 5'11" or a RB under 5'8" or an OL who can't run a 1.90 10 yd split or a 5.40 40, or a DL with under 20 225 reps or DBs and RBs who can't jump or have slow change of directions skills. Some folks say the combine and underwear Olympics don't mean diddly. Those folks simply don't know what they're talking about or have been misinformed. It's the only place where you can collectively see just how athletic these guys are and how well they perform against their piers plus get a sound medical in the process.
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CFF Player Profile: Jaelen Strong, WR
Versatility. Keep hearing that word coming from NRG.Overview and Stats
Despite missing some time during the season due to a concussion, Strong still had one of the best years of any receiver in this draft class. His 1,168 yards were the ninth-most of any player at the position in this draft class, while his CFF receiving grade was the sixth-highest. He also finished 12th in terms of Yards Per Route Run, averaging 2.71 YPRR from his 431 routes run in 2014.
Whats interesting with Strong, especially given his size and style of play, is that you can make the case that we was at his best from the slot, averaging 4.06 YPRR against teams from the Power Five conferences, the highest average of all draft eligible receivers. He doesnt possess the quickness that youd expect, but does meet the criteria of a big slot receiver in the same way that a player like Anquan Boldin does in the NFL. Heres how that stacked up against the rest of this class:
The Tape
So we know that Strong is a productive receiver who had an impressive college career as a Sun Devil, but what does the tape show us? Hes a player that seems to have divided opinion, but one thing that is clear from the tape is that when he wants to, Strong is a very good receiver when it comes to winning the ball at the catch point. There were times when he didnt do this consistently, but the talent to do it is definitely there.
Thats something that will make him very appealing to a lot of teams especially those with a quarterback who is at his best when he throws the ball where the receiver can go up and win it. Joe Flacco and the Baltimore Ravens, where many mock drafts have Strong landing, would fit that bill, with the Ravens lacking that sort of player since they traded away Boldin.
There are two areas where Strong struggles, and that keeps him from being mentioned with Amari Cooper, Kevin White and Devante Parker in the discussion for the top receiver in this class. The first is getting off of the jam by a cornerback in press coverage.
Hes a physical receiver, so to watch him fail to get off against the press was a bit baffling, and when he did beat it, it was normally because of his footwork as opposed to outmuscling the defensive back. This is something that can be worked on, and given his ability to go up and win the ball when he is covered tightly, an improvement in this part of his game would increase his chances of developing as a star receiver in the NFL.
The second is his route running. Similarly to his struggles against press coverage, Strong costs himself space with some poor route running which at times just looks a little bit lazy. Where youd like to see him plant his foot and go, he takes a step or two to break down, allowing the defensive back to close.
Whats impressive, though, and what I think gives Strong the potential to be a very successful receiver in the NFL, is that both of these things are fixable. If Im a general manager and Ive got the faith that my wide receivers coach can tidy up his route running and teach him to do a better job of beating press coverage, I know Im getting a guy whos an impressive athlete who can go up and win the ball when he needs to, but has the potential to develop into a really good all-around receiver, with the versatility to be a factor on the outside and in the slot.
infantrycak
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Where have you seen this stated as definitive rules rather than preferences?
PHILLYTEXANFAN
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I have personal preferences of players, so I'm sure teams do. Mine is I hate WR under 6'1.
infantrycak
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And that changes my question how? Common sense tells you teams would prefer an 8 foot tall WR who runs a 4 flat. They'll take something lesser. Texian stated his knowledge as some teams have a black line, nothing below this is OK no matter what. I think that's FOS. Where players are close they have preferences. I don't think many (actually any) teams crossed Steve Smith entirely off their list for being under 5 ' 10".
The word you dont here is SPEED.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
There are guys teams would make exceptions. Like I said I prefer WRs above 6'1, but I really like Phillip Dorsett. I'll give an example of a team, during Al Davis' tenure in Oakland, he constantly drafted that years fastest players, DHB, Jacoby Ford and Demarcus van Dyke too name a few
who is DHB?
And those other two guys never made and impact and were out of the league in 3-4 years
PHILLYTEXANFAN
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Darrius Heyward Bey. I was just pointing out Al Davis had a preference of really fast players, which I think hurt him cause he ended up overlooking good players in favor of fast ones. Tyvon branch was the fastest at his posistion.
Another coach with preference is Chip Kelly with just over 50% of his draft picks are PAC 12 player. He also seems to prefer players with ACL injuries
CloakNNNdagger
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This article includes a video of an amazing play on the part of Strong.
Marshall
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He's already been given #11. Old school receiver number rather than the newer 80s numbers. Goes good with #10 on the other side.
Hervoyel
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Hervoyel
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You got that backwards. The 80's numbers are old school. The 10-19 range has only been allowed since 2004. (Yeah, I know before 1973 a lot of guys wore teens and twenties at WR)
I guess it goes back and forth being old school, then modern, then old school again, and so on forever.
Personally I like my WR's to wear numbers in the 80's but it's up to them and if he wants #11 then I'm all for it.
It may mean diddly on draft day. It's already been shown it doesn't mean squat on the field.
I think it's one of the team rules... you can diddly on the field if you must, but absolutely no squatting!
badboy
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I think that is warming your hands on a frigid day.are you surrrre?
that looks a lot like squatting to me
Texian
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Last year I was all in on Donte Moncrief for the Texans in RD 3. I thought it would be a perfect opportunity for DM to come in and learn from AJ. The Colts drafted Moncrief in RD3 with the 90th pick and they didn't have to give up a 5th, 7th and a player to get him. So it looks like Donte is going to get that tutlelage anyways.
Moncrief and Strong are almost carbon copies of each other. Moncrief may be just a tad faster. Hopefully Strong can become the same WR so many expect of Moncrief without being able to spend time with AJ. So far the Colts have been very pleased with Moncrief. It would be nice if the Texans can become equally as pleased if not more so with Strong.
Moncrief and Strong are almost carbon copies of each other. Moncrief may be just a tad faster. Hopefully Strong can become the same WR so many expect of Moncrief without being able to spend time with AJ. So far the Colts have been very pleased with Moncrief. It would be nice if the Texans can become equally as pleased if not more so with Strong.
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Yeah, we get it. Colts smart, Texans dumb. Maybe just put it in your sig and save some time typing?